The Most Attractive VP Candidates for the Libertarian Party According to Cassidy

Austin Cassidy has posted a news article over at Uncovered Politics about whom he thinks are the five attractive Vice Presidential-candidates he would like to see paired with the candidate he presumes will win the presidential nomination, Gary Johnson.

1. Carla Howell – The most likely candidate of my list, the Libertarian Party’s executive director has shown great skill as an organizer, activist and fundraiser. Her 2000 campaign for U.S. Senate, in which she polled over 300,000 votes or 12% in a 3-way race, is still considered one of the best examples of a Libertarian campaign that has even been run.  Howell would serve Johnson and the party well, not to mention that she would add some gender balance to the LP’s ticket.

Read about the other four (as well as some honorable mentions) here.

106 thoughts on “The Most Attractive VP Candidates for the Libertarian Party According to Cassidy

  1. bruuno

    Tucker Carson? Seriously? Not only would it be beyond highly unlikely he would accept it (he is a shill for the GOP), but he would do little more than embarrass the LP. Hard to take a list seriously when he is number 2.

  2. NewFederalist

    Remember that Austin Cassidy is a Republican who is sympathetic to the LP (and probably the CP) so it is not a surprise that his list is loaded with folks associated with the GOP. BTW, where is John Stossel on this list?

  3. Robert Capozzi

    Yes, given that the Daily Caller just did a hatchet job on GJ, it seems unlikely that Carlson would be an appropriate choice.

  4. bruuno

    Plus the race baiting the Daily Caller has been doing with the Zimmerman case is going to drive away any and all liberal voters Johnson would otherwise get (I think he actually has some real appeal to the left with his drug and anti-war stances). Carlson is an embarrassment. Nothing but an arrogant punk.

  5. Jed Siple

    The Tucker Carlson mention destroys the credibility of the whole article, but Carla Howell would be a good choice.

  6. paulie

    I think Carla is more interested in being ED right now. I don’t think she would be able to do both. If she did want to be VP I think she could certainly represent the party ably.

  7. Jill Pyeatt

    It certainly is interesting that “media personality” Wayne Allyn Root isn’t on here.

  8. Mark Axinn

    Bill Weld promised the LPNY six years ago that if nominated for Governor, he would not drop out of the race if the Repubs. failed to also nominate him.

    Of course that was a lie, and once he lost the Republican nomination he dropped us like a hot potato.

  9. Jose C

    Carla Howell??? Say it isn’t so! She would not have the support of all the delegations. Would the Massachusetts delegation support her? Also what ever happened to the “rich” Vice-Presidential candidate Gary Johnson’s supporters keep saying is going to be part of the ticket?

  10. Jill Pyeatt

    Jose C said: “Also what ever happened to the “rich” Vice-Presidential candidate Gary Johnson’s supporters keep saying is going to be part of the ticket?”

    I am wondering if they’re planning a big surprise for the convention.

  11. NewFederalist

    Austin- Are you still a soil or water commissioner? If so, are you listed among LP elected officials?

  12. Brian Holtz

    I thought the “rich VP candidate” rumor turned out to be Dan Wiener’s April Fools joke. First the 1974 SoP, then the 2012 VP head-fake. His next prank should thus land in 2050. I hope my head is unfrozen in time to see it.

  13. Steven Berson

    If Gary Johnson garners the nomination (which I’d say is indeed most likely at this point) then I’d say missing from the list are two obvious possibilities:
    * Lee Wrights – at this point to me the only other serious contender for the nomination and likely someone who will garner a significant amount of delegate’s votes in the Presidential balloting – he already has established a campaign crew which could be added to the General Election, he would help re-unify the “radical” wing back with the “pragmatists” that are supporting GJ, he would help bring the overall message back more towards a pure libertarian one, and he could help bring in RP supporters that are looking for a definite non-interventionist foreign policy to be expressed.

    * Judge Jim Gray – http://www.judgejimgray.com/ – another person with a decent amount of prior history with the LP who has the big advantage of having a resume of being a State Judge, with strong debating skills (check out the YouTube of him holding his own against Bill O’Reilly in a debate on the war on drugs – http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LH1pcrtsYc8 ) – and who has some connections with GJ already in that they appeared on an online Town Hall together a couple months ago.

    I also really like the idea of John Monds – http://www.votemonds.com/ . He is the only Libertarian candidate in any race to garner over 1 million votes (granted this was a 2-way race for a relatively low profile State position) – and he could help bring in some decent amount of votes in Georgia where he did a decently received recent run for Governor (a State where both Romney and Obama are not so well received so perhaps an opportunity) – plus he brings a strong libertarian message given in a way that I think speaks well to “regular folks”. The biggest weakness I see with Monds is that his resume is not the best in terms of him ever holding prior office.

    Has anyone been in contact with John Monds or Judge Jim Gray to see whether either would be interested in and capable of being the LP Vice Presidential candidate?

  14. Austin Cassidy

    @NewFederalist – My term ended in January of 2011. I tried to privatize the local board, but was blocked by the Florida Commissioner of Agriculture. I did not seek re-election.

  15. Austin Cassidy

    Wrights was an intentional omission on my part. But Jim Gray would be a fine candidate to consider.

    With Johnson currently polling at 6-7% in national polls, there is at least some chance that the LP ticket could hit 15% and qualify for the debates.

    With that in mind, nominating someone like Lee Wrights or Steve Kubby could be dangerous. If you have a known quantity on the ticket, like Barry Goldwater, the debate organizers probably wouldn’t worry too much. But if they are facing the prospect of putting an unknown and potentially disruptive person on national TV in front of 40 million people and standing 4 feet from Joe Biden… I’m afraid the debate commission would pull out all the stops to prevent that from happening.

    If Johnson is successful, a party favorite for VP could be a drag on the ticket. Unfortunately, I think Perot would have past the 20% mark in 1992 if he had someone as his running mate that appeared more capable of actually taking over as President of the United States. And Jim Stockdale was a decorated Admiral.

  16. Steven Berson

    Austin –
    regarding your “intentional omission” of Lee Wrights and your concern that “a party favorite for VP could be a drag on the ticket” I’d argue that a big part of whether the LP can regain momentum to make future campaigns more successful is whether the “purist” base of the Libertarian Party which has in fact been a huge reason it continues and is supported becomes more disaffected or becomes more energized. And I’d argue there is in fact an overall benefit simply keeping the message actually closer to libertarian principles and ideals. And again – to gain Ron Paul supporters a strong non-interventionist like Lee Wrights will win them over way more than a warmed over “Republican-Lite” self-declared “libertian leaning” milquetoast like Tucker Carlson would ever do.

    Regarding the Perot campaign – Admiral Jim Stockdale appeared in the debates disoriented and even possibly semi-senile. In contrast in all the debate appearances I have watched or listened Lee Wrights is very articulate, sharp and affable.

  17. bruuno

    I think Lee Wrights would be a solid choice for the reason Mr. Berson laid out. The argument by Cassidy that he was left out because he isn’t a ‘known’ quantity is a little laughable when you have Carla Howell and the ‘honorable mentions’, none of whom are known on any national level outside of Libertarian circles.
    Wrights is no Admiral Stockdale. Can’t help but think his omission has more to do with him being from the ‘left’ of the Libertarian Party.

  18. Trent Hill

    Jim Gray is probably too involved with the Regulate Marijuana Like Wine initiative to consider it. Monds is a good shout because he’s an African-American, which disrupts the notion that Libertarians are just racist. Getting GA Ballot Access would be a must then.

  19. Steven Berson

    Lee Wrights isn’t from the “left” of the party – he’s from the “libertarian” side of the party!

    If anything I’m personally much more a “leftist” – actually I term myself an “ultra-radical centrist” – than the majority of other LP party members because I think there are in fact sometimes need for things like a (to be downsized) EPA – something that I agree with Gary Johnson (who as Governor of New Mexico in fact encountered cases where summoning the power of the EPA was the ultimately the only way to have some polluters of others properties cease their violations) more than Lee Wrights (who would completely do away with it). Regardless – Lee Wrights to me is better at articulating a principled foreign policy – something that I wish Gary Johnson would pick up on. For myself a Johnson/Wrights ticket would have a lot of positives.

    I’d also say that appearance in the debates would in fact be determined by polling percentage (which will likely be rigged anyway to keep third party alternatives from being successful in appearing) than the opinion of the Commission on Presidential Debates on the various VP’s personalities and resumes ever are going to be.

  20. bruuno

    What I meant by ‘leftist’ was this- the LP has people who concentrate on issues that appeal to the left (war, drugs, social issues) and the right (economic issues). I think it is fair to say that in this context Wrights (and Kubby and others) is from the ‘left’ wing of the party while people like Root are from the ‘right’ wing of the Party. I never said the word ‘leftist’ by the way. Putting words in my mouth.

  21. paulie

    Carlson has described himself as a libertarian on numerous occasions.

    Libertarian? Not so much.

    Does no one remember the rumor from 2008 that Carlson may actually have considered going after the party’s presidential nomination and may have funded some polling of delegates?

    Roger Stone has admitted that was some bullshit he spread.

  22. paulie

    I am wondering if they’re planning a big surprise for the convention.

    Could be.

    Who needs a rich VP? If any rich person wants to help fund the campaign they could donate to a Johnson SuperPAC.

    Vanity?

  23. paulie

    I thought the “rich VP candidate” rumor turned out to be Dan Wiener’s April Fools joke.

    Those may or may not have been the same thing. We’ll see.

    I hope my head is unfrozen in time to see it.

    2050? That’s not that far away. I don’t think you are likely to need cryogenics for that.

  24. paulie

    With Johnson currently polling at 6-7% in national polls, there is at least some chance that the LP ticket could hit 15% and qualify for the debates.

    Johnson is not actually polling that high. The polls where he gets those numbers are ones where he is a proxy for “not Obama or Romney.” You could make up a fake person and they would have about the same number in such a poll. Barr, Phillies and others have polled in the same range at this stage. From that to 15% in an average of nationwide polls is a very, very long way to go. Johnson’s people should stop spreading such ridiculous misconceptions.

  25. paulie

    With that in mind, nominating someone like Lee Wrights or Steve Kubby could be dangerous. If you have a known quantity on the ticket, like Barry Goldwater, the debate organizers probably wouldn’t worry too much. But if they are facing the prospect of putting an unknown and potentially disruptive person on national TV in front of 40 million people and standing 4 feet from Joe Biden… I’m afraid the debate commission would pull out all the stops to prevent that from happening.

    If Johnson is successful, a party favorite for VP could be a drag on the ticket.

    Absurd fantasies about debate inclusion are no reason to keep Libertarians off the ticket.

  26. paulie

    Monds is a good shout because he’s an African-American, which disrupts the notion that Libertarians are just racist.

    Somewhat true. However the people who want to insist that libertarians are racist will just libel him as a “house negro.”

    Monds has many good points. It’s too bad that, like Johnson, he supports the fraudulent tax. We really need to NOT become the fraudulent tax party.

    Getting GA Ballot Access would be a must then.

    We already have that for statewide and presidential races. The problem in GA is in running for US House and local office.

  27. Andy

    “bruuno says:
    April 23, 2012 at 6:19 am
    Tucker Carson? Seriously? Not only would it be beyond highly unlikely he would accept it (he is a shill for the GOP), but he would do little more than embarrass the LP. Hard to take a list seriously when he is number 2.”

    I don’t know that I’d even consider Tucker Carlson to be a libertarian.

  28. Andy

    “Austin Cassidy says:
    April 23, 2012 at 1:50 pm
    Wrights was an intentional omission on my part.”

    Wrights should be an intentional omission on everyone’s part. Talk about a train wreck. The people who think he should be a candidate don’t know what in the hell they are talking about and are completely delusional. Wrights is a very dishonest, backstabbing person who is prone to throwing irrational tantrums. He’s also a loser. He’d be nowhere if not for the fact that he’s Mary Ruwart’s current boy toy, and without his Sugar Moma’s money he probably wouldn’t even be able to afford to make it to the convention.

  29. Steve

    My comment on the original:
    Barring the entrance of a big name (ex-Congressman, CEO, news anchor, etc.) into the VP race, I’d like to see Governor Johnson choose a current or past elected Libertarian. I think the best would be former county commissioner in Tennessee Heather Scott. Let Johnson handle the major media opportunities and hit the big college campuses while Scott goes around stumping with our local candidates. When the media says “you can’t win!” Johnson can point to Scott and say, “well, maybe not the Presidency, but we can use this campaign to rally people and get them out to make change in their hometowns like she did.” This would also make sure there is a more partisan L on the ticket without having to create room for Lee Wrights.

  30. JT

    Berson: “Admiral Jim Stockdale appeared in the debates disoriented and even possibly semi-senile.”

    That was the funniest debate performance I’ve ever seen from anyone. And Phil Hartman’s impression of him on SNL was also good.

    Cassidy: “But if they are facing the prospect of putting an unknown and potentially disruptive person on national TV in front of 40 million people and standing 4 feet from Joe Biden… I’m afraid the debate commission would pull out all the stops to prevent that from happening.”

    They won’t be facing that prospect, so that’s not a problem.

  31. Steven Berson

    I took it upon myself to ask the 3 names on my short list whether they were interested and able to

    * Lee Wrights – told me in person at the NY LP Convention this past Saturday that he is absolutely running for the Presidential nomination, not the VP slot – but when pressed stated that he’s “not going anywhere” (i.e. he will always be active for the LP) and that if the LP delegates gave the Presidential nom to someone else but wanted him to be VP he would be willing and able to campaign as the Veep.

    * John Monds – replied via email that he will be at the Convention, was flattered that I thought he’d make a great nominee, but had not really thought about it or considered it yet. The main question then – if he was convinced to do it at the Convention – would he be able to devote the time (particularly for travel away from home) and energy needed to make this campaign the best possible effort?

    * Judge Jim Gray – replied via email that he was also going to be at the Convention and is in fact a featured speaker, that when he and GJ co-hosted an Online Town Hall he was happy to hear that GJ stated he was on his shortlist for VP’s, and that he would be willing and able to campaign very hard as the VP nominee.

  32. Alan Pyeatt

    For better or worse, a significant part of the LP membership is not enthusiastic about a Gary Johnson-led campaign. But we HAVE to energize the LP base to have an effective campaign and reach out to independents, anti-war Democrats, and Constitutional Republicans.

    Nothing against some of the other candidates mentioned (especially since Carla Howell has experience in Massachusetts), but nobody will energize the non-Johnson base like Lee Wrights or Judge Gray.

  33. Alan Pyeatt

    I should have been more clear: I’m advocating that, assuming GJ wins the Presidential nomination (which might not be as clear cut as some people think it is), then we should nominate Wrights or Gray for VP.

  34. Root's Teeth Are Awesome

    @19 “nominating someone like Lee Wrights or Steve Kubby could be dangerous…. if [debate commission] are facing the prospect of putting an unknown and potentially disruptive person on national TV in front of 40 million people and standing 4 feet from Joe Biden… I’m afraid the debate commission would pull out all the stops to prevent that from happening.”

    What’s so dangerous about placing an “unknown” or “disruptive” person “4 feet” from Biden?

    Are you suggesting that the debate commission might fear that Wright would physically assault Biden?

  35. Bernie

    Before jumping to conclusions, let’s actually examine Judge Gray’s un-libertarian ideas.

    “Our policy should be changed for specified drugs like marijuana to be strictly regulated for distribution to adults — and taxed — and users of other drugs should be allowed legal access to them under the strict supervision of medical professionals. Medical programs of this kind are successfully reducing crime, drug usage and health problems today in countries like Switzerland and Germany , and we can emulate their success. ”

    Notice how he doesn’t say legalize all drugs. He advocates for strict regulation. He still wants the government to control the ‘harder stuff’. Not very libertarian to me.

    “Combat the present Crisis of Childhood Obesity. The rates of childhood obesity, childhood diabetis, and high cholesterol are shockingly high. This is the first time in our history that our children’s life expectancy is lower than our own. We should sponsor programs of education to parents about the fat content of the “foods” our children are eating, and the importance of physical activity for our children. ”

    Does this sound anything like the food police? Wants to spend your tax dollars on telling other people how to raise their children. (Sound like Michelle Obama?)

    “Rejoin the rest of the world and quickly phase in the Metric System into our business and personal lives. ” – I truly hope he’s kidding, but if he’s not, I wonder how much U.S. tax dollars he’d like to use implementing this.

    “Increase our utilization of nuclear energy. If Japan, which is the only country ever to experience the horrors of nuclear war, now uses more than 50 nuclear reactors to generate about one-third of its electric power, we also should seriously look into increasing our utilization of nuclear power as well. Yes there are still problems with the disposal of nuclear waste, but other countries are dealing effectively with it, and we can as well.”

    Rather than suggest the reduction of government regulations on the nuclear industry that would increase supply and entry into market, he simply claims that we should increase our utilization. I’d like to know how.

    “Gray has also received letters of commendation from the Orange County Board of Supervisors for his creation of a successful drinking-driver sentencing program,”

    Why doesn’t Gray advocate for stricter laws for people who actually harm others in crashes? Drunk driving by itself is a victimless crime. Laws such as these increase the police state in America.

    “Reform our country’s Income Tax system by replacing it with a Flat Tax, FAIR Tax, or National Sales Tax. By doing this, almost everyone will receive a huge “tax break” by a reduction of fraud, administrative and accounting expenses, and favoritism, even if they actually continue to pay the same amount of taxes.”

    Fair Tax . No thank you.

  36. NewFederalist

    @45… Hmm, That does give one some points to ponder. Can you tell me where you found those quotes?

  37. George Phillies

    Nuclear energy in Japan.

    Most all Japanese reactors are currently shut down. The Fukushima disaster appears to have rendered the local county unusable for agriculture, perhaps for longer than we are likely to stay the same species, and came respectably close to forcing the evacuation of the Tokyo municipal area.

  38. JT

    Alan Pyeat: “For better or worse, a significant part of the LP membership is not enthusiastic about a Gary Johnson-led campaign.”

    Every leading candidate for the nomination has opposition from a significant number of Libertarians. Even Harry Browne, a pure libertarian who was clearly head and shoulders above all the other candidates as a speaker & writer, won the 1996 nomination with 74 percent of the vote and the 2000 nomination with 66 percent. Those who didn’t vote for him were less than enthusiastic about his campaign & probably represented many other Libertarians as well. That’s always the case no matter who the candidate is and what he or she espouses.

  39. LibertarianGirl

    @16-BH—goddamnit! ive been asking around about who that was sposed to be anywhere and everywhere …he got me —thats hilarious because i was so worried WAR was gonna run…..good one Dan Weiner!LOL

  40. Thomas L. Knapp

    JT@48,

    “Even Harry Browne, a pure libertarian who was clearly head and shoulders above all the other candidates as a speaker & writer, won the 1996 nomination with 74 percent of the vote and the 2000 nomination with 66 percent.”

    I’m pretty sure it was 56% in 2000.

  41. Thomas L. Knapp

    Bernie@45,

    Chances are that that any effect of “reducing regulations” on nuclear power would be more than offset if the taxpayer subsidies were also yanked.

    Here in Missouri, Ameren is asking for half a billion dollars in corporate welfare for the reactors it wants to build. Then if it actually builds them, they will be insured by the taxpayer, too, while a subset of the taxpayers get to pay increased (government-granted) monopoly rates for electricity to Ameren to pay for the rest of their white elephant.

  42. JT

    Knapp: “I’m pretty sure it was 56% in 2000.”

    You’re correct, Tom. That underscores my point.

  43. NewFederalist

    @49.. Thanks! Very enlightening. Perhaps Andrew Napolitano would be the better “judge” choice.

  44. Let the T-Rex of Talk Radio Entertain U2day

    “If”a rich VP materializes the smart move is to nominate them. If the LP did pull over 5% in the general election everything changes in the future. No more “wandering in the wilderness” to use the used car salesman’s phrase. The purist and the moderates both will be much more important and in demand and will be listened to by many more people in the future. A nice showing by this LP ticket is a win WIN by all sides of the LP. Don’t be foolish, a nice showing requires money, big money. Don’t pass up money if that money comes from ANYWHERE within David Nolan’s L quad!

    You need to stop being deluted by your personal wishes. If a candidate can’t get 20% of the delegate support on ballot #1 they don’t need to be on the LP POTUS ticket period. Let them run for a lower office for their first (second) campaign! I don’t say rubberstamp the nominees choice for VP, but you should be considerate of their wish and if possible support their preferred VP choice.

    I support Gary Johnson because he is best qualified of the current candidates (including Romney and Obama) seeking the Job. You have never read we stating GJ will be in the (FRAUD) debate put on by the CFR controlled D and R farse! Polls (as elections) can be and are fixed on a regular basis. Debates against empty chairs can be effective “if” seen by enough voters! Hence there are some options to the FRAUD debate put on by the Ds and Rs (whose BTW both chairmen, *the D and the R, are CFR members, shizzam Gomer how does that happen?). Does anyone really believe the D and R leaderships want the majority of Americans to hear about Gary Johnson’s Job as NM Gov.? Gary Johnson can be a better POTUS tomorrow than Obama or Romney, no on the job training needed here friends! (*also important to know is the AE screening committee is CFR members! SHIZZAM!???????!)

    The LP, GP, and CP need to take advantage of the 5% independent cable/satellite TV stations and hold a series of international watched debates. Invite Romney and Obama and when they decline go ahead and debate the two empty chairs/podiums. Bypass the LACKEY controlled lamestream media to get the message out !!! Please note I don’t endorse bypassing MSM in all matters, use them when possible, but hey they aren’t our friends, in fact they are our enemies where and when we disagree with their bosses. So if they want to exclude us from their “rigged” debate we must put on our own series of debates !

    {Why do} “300 million Americans have {only} 2 choices for president? Can you imagine having 2 colors to pick for your car? Red or Blue. No silver, or black w/ chrome rims. No racing yellow or hunter green. Nope – 2 colors, red or blue. The 2 party system has failed us. Our corrupt corporate propaganda media has failed us. You cannot give 300 million people 2 choices & expect change. They feign fighting on TV while they sleep together at night. We need a 3rd, 4th, 5th choice to fairly represent us” -shwantz2 on youtube

    Anyone (Party and candidate) who gains Ballot Access in enough states to exceed the 270 Electoral College Votes to win the POTUS race has EARNED the right to be included in any POTUS debate(s). Contrary to the wishes of the corrupt duopoly who has ran this countries’ government (into the ground) for much too long! Let ALL qualified candidates debate. The honest and honorable thing to do !!!

    Two Years Ago – Gary Johnson Rocks the Tax Day Tea Party! (4-15-10): http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=yI3dkUfD6Fg

    One Year Ago- Gary Johnson on Foreign Policy – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnkH2mIb2V0&feature=related

    It’s time to nominate the BEST qualified LP candidate for POTUS in history !!! That is Gary Johnson………

  45. NewFederalist

    @56… why does your moniker link to Alex Jones radio program? I thought he was more hard right conservative than libertarian.

  46. Steve

    To Austin – I don’t know how old Heather Scott is, I was kind of hoping someone else here might. If she’d be interested, I’d be happy to campaign for her at convention. That said, I could support any of the names being mentioned, including Wrights.

    FWIW, I had an online exchange with a confidant of the governor recently in which he indicated that 4 people are under consideration, with one being “a former Congressman whose name you’d know.” It makes me wonder if the Johnson campaign is surveying the delegate landscape to see who they could get away with putting in the #2 slot. I mentioned to my friend that a libertarian CEO like TJ Rogers would be great and he replied that if I knew Mr. Rogers, I should ask him. Let’s just say scratch that name off the list.

  47. NewFederalist

    “a former Congressman whose name you’d know.”

    Oh no! Not Bob Barr? 🙁

  48. Robert Capozzi

    I don’t know much about Goldwater Jr. other than his Wiki entry. I’m sure he must be a statist, i.e., not a strict adherent to the NAP.

    Still, that would be a VERY interesting choice. Goldwater is the ultimate lost cause in modern American political history, but a Johnson/Goldwater ticket would have a certain cachet. It would “right” brand the ticket, but Johnson himself does not have a right-wing extremist persona.

  49. Trent Hill Post author

    Goldwater Jr. would have the added benefit of attracting some older conservatives who liked his father, that’s for sure. It also might be a small draw in Arizona.

  50. Alan Pyeatt

    JT @ 48: “Every leading candidate for the nomination has opposition from a significant number of Libertarians.”

    Agreed. I’m not saying we shouldn’t nominate Johnson, although Wrights is still my favorite. LG @ 51 said it better than me: “If Johnson wins we need to get Wrights on for VP , between the two of them they have appeal for the entire spectrum of people….”

  51. Steve

    Since it will be my first LP convention and it looks like the POTUS nominee will be anticlimactic, this veepstakes has me very intrigued. There were several former GOP congressmen who voted for Baldwin last time, but I can’t think of any off the top of my head that would be a natural fit for the LP. Goldwater Jr would be the best, but after the primaries get over, he’s pretty loyal to the GOP. I’m at the top-right corner of the Nolan chart, so I’d personally like a Johnson/John Hostettler ticket but don’t think that would go over well with the rest of the party. Maybe he’s thinking of reaching out to Kuchinich and making a play for the AE support?

  52. JT

    I’m confident in saying that the VP nominee won’t be a former member of Congress, Steve.

  53. JT

    Jill Pyeatt: “I wondered about Kucinich, also.”

    Kucinich?? How on earth is he a libertarian & not a far-left liberal?

  54. NewFederalist

    Also, Kucinich is not technically a former Member of Congress until January 2013. I guess it’s not him.

  55. Trent Hill Post author

    Goldwater Jr. would definitely be interesting. I can’t think of anyone else it would be.

  56. Trent Hill Post author

    It won’t be Kucinich, that’s ridiculous.

    Hostettler, Goldwater Jr, and a host of other former congressmen voted for Paul in 2008, but I dont think any are a natural fit for Johnson’s VP in 2012.

  57. JT

    New Federalist: “He is more anti-war than Johnson. That is the only possible “balance”.”

    So what?

    You can find someone on the political right who’s more economically libertarian than Johnson also. But if that person favors a federal government that outlaws abortion, continues pot prohibition, censors adult materials, searches & seizes without a warrant, etc. then he should be an obvious no-go. The same holds true for a person who favors soaking high income earners with taxes, enlarging the bureaucratic welfare state, imposing more onerous mandates on companies, etc.

  58. NewFederalist

    @72.. I am not taking issue with you. I was just saying that his anti-war position is his only attraction. He was a terrible mayor in Cleveland and touts a progressive economic agenda that is more in line with the SWP than the LP. I admire his spunk and his anti-war positions but nothing else. (Perhaps his wife but that’s another story!)

  59. Trent Hill Post author

    NF–agreed on all counts. How that man got that woman is just beyond me.

  60. JT

    NF: “I am not taking issue with you. I was just saying that his anti-war position is his only attraction. He was a terrible mayor in Cleveland and touts a progressive economic agenda that is more in line with the SWP than the LP. I admire his spunk and his anti-war positions but nothing else. (Perhaps his wife but that’s another story!)”

    I’m sorry…I didn’t catch your meaning then. I agree with what you just said, but to be fair he’s also good on a few other issues besides war (e.g., corporate welfare & marijuana). He’s disastrous economically and did indeed help to bankrupt Cleveland as Mayor.

  61. Thomas L. Knapp

    JT @ 72,

    “[A VP prospect who] favors … enlarging the bureaucratic welfare state … should be an obvious no-go.”

    In fairness, it would be damn near impossible to find a candidate who favors enlarging the bureaucratic welfare state as much as Johnson himself does.

    If a recent/former Democrat campaigned for the LP’s presidential nomination on the promise of a monthly federal welfare entitlement of hundreds of dollars for every American with a pulse, someone would tell him “sorry, you must be looking for CPUSA — down the hall and to the left.”

  62. Let the T-Rex of Talk Radio Entertain U2day

    @57 Alex Jones is a Lew Rockwell/Ron Paul libertarian. In fact Ron Paul has more than once stated Jones’ listeners constitute the majority of his (Paul’s) support. Jones has promoted Dr.Paul for POTUS since ’07. The selfmade Jones is the T-Rex of Talk radio, $30M/yr Limbaugh and $20M/yr Hannity are but lackey chickenhawk JOKES in comparison. I recommend everyone spend a few minutes a week listening to the libertarian Jones. It will change your life!

    The former congressman was a misstatement. Ron Paul won’t be a former congressman until Jan.4, 2013. Some of Johnson supporters can see the positives from having Paul on the ticket as VP. I imagine Johnson can see the advantage as well.

    Knapp you are still pushing that largest welfare scheme onto GJ by the FairTax prebate. If it replaces all food stamps, housing and aid I don’t see how it would be the largest. At least it might send the message everyone needs a paying job to get ahead. Not waiting on the next handout (stolen from the Taxpayers or borrowed against the Taxpayer).

    No one here thinks GJ will win anyway so perhaps we should worry more of the upcoming Newt administration !

    Oh wait, there will not be a Newt administration. -lol (you blew that prediction good buddy)

    As far as GJ being less anti-war than Dennis K , I don’t get it. Even as a R running for POTUS GJ has continually said he opposed the Iraq war and we need to be out of Afghanistan TOMORROW and he plans to cut 43% from the WAR Dept. No, he’s not calling for the disbanding of the entire U.S. military but hey he prefers to be taken seriously as a POTUS candidate. I can live with a 43% draw down in WAR Dept. expenditures over the next 4 years indeed of the neverending increases by the Ds and Rs. I would hope you could also!

    Gary Johnson gets to debate!*8-19-11 = http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=ubz3iyFL1iA&NR=1

    “Dr.Strangelove” *Krauthammer gets owned by Gary Johnson on China – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdgZLUhm5o&feature=related
    (*SHAZZAM Gomer, Krauthammer is a CFR member, who would of thunk it?)

    Gary “IRONMAN” Johnson 2012: Defense = http://www.youtube.com/user/govgaryjohnson?feature=BF#p/u/12/tJKCWa22fHY

    Gary Johnson on Foreign Policy – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnkH2mIb2V0&feature=related

    I can live with GJ on foreign affairs and defense in a move toward a total non-interventionist goal to be reached in the future ! The journey to Libertopia won’t be reached overnight, but in gradual steps my friends!

  63. Alan Pyeatt

    If Ron Paul won’t quit his GOP race for our presidential nomination, why would he quit it for the VP spot? Ain’t gonna happen.

  64. justwondering

    I find it really interesting when Lee Wrights supporters are adamant about choosing Lee Wrights for the VP Slot if Gary Johnson wins the Libertarian nomination.

    Who says Lee Wrights wants to play second fiddle to Gary Johnson?

    Has anyone asked Wrights if he wants the VP nomination if he loses the nomination?

    Will Lee Wrights actually campaign for the ticket and be a team player should he win the VP slot.

    Lee Wrights has a reputation for being short tempered and I have doubts he want to assume the role of being directed and managed by the Johnson campaign.

  65. Phillies for Treasurer

    @81 Wrights has repeatedly said that he is running for President, not Vice President. Wrights has been active in our party for decades. Wrights has been on the road campaigning nearly continuously for months. Why are you worried about him, and not about a man who has already dumped one Party during the Presidential cycle?

  66. Robert Capozzi

    ooo, thought of another possible former Congresscritter who could be GJ’s running mate:

    David Stockman

    Isn’t it strange that for some reason that rings less for me than Goldwater Jr.? Even though I associate Goldwater with his dad and one of the most damaging quotes to the collective thought stream (“Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.”), Stockman was so villified that he feels radioactive still. I mean, the guy was a bit creative, classifying ketchup as a vegetable for school lunch programs, which in the grand scheme of things seems like a minor thing. Even the Trojan Horse thing seemed not so bad, in retrospect.

    OK, getting over that, a lot of pluses for Stockman, off the top. First, he was always a L-leaner, like several figures in the Reagan Admin. Second, he’s become way more L in recent years. He’s a Ron Paul supporter now. Third, while his career in finance has been at the highest levels, although I see he’s had his stumbles there, too. Presumably, he knows some people who might throw a Johnson/Stockman ticket a few bucks. His wife is Chairman Emeritus of Republican Majority for Choice, (meaning pro-choice Rs), so presumably the Stockmans know more progressive, market-oriented, donor types.

    Now, I see Stockman doesn’t think tax cuts are a good idea in this environment. While I happen to agree with him, this may be a non-starter for the dogmatists.

    We shall see…

  67. Trent Hill Post author

    It isn’t Goldwater Jr. I just emailed him and he said he wouldn’t accept such a nomination.

    I’m guessing David Stockman, actually.

  68. paulie

    On another thread it was reported that there will be an announcement on Monday, that Steve Kubby knows who it is an approves.

  69. LibertarianGirl

    @81 generally the Pres and Veep candidates campaign seperately. and Lee Wrights is fiesty , not short tempered and he’s the biggest team player we have…HE IS GIVING 10% OF HIS MONEY RAISED TO BALLOT ACCESS AND SPENT MONEY MAKING A LIBERTARIAN CAMPAIGN COMMERCIAL THAT HE IS LETTING EVERYONE , STATE AFFILIATE AND OTHER LP CANDIDATES — USE.

    you dont know what your talking about , so please drive thru…

  70. paulie

    @93 was @91. think you need a muffler for that yelling 😛

    @92 You may have more luck calling him than I would.

  71. Thomas L. Knapp

    just wondering @ 81,

    This is not something I have any “inside information” on, because I have purposely avoided asking …

    … but I expect that if Lee does not win the presidential nomination, and is asked by a significant number of delegate to seek (or by the presidential nominee to accept if the delegates approve) the VP nomination, he will.

    Love him or hate him, anyone who knows him knows he’s stuck with the LP and worked hard for the party even when he wasn’t happy with how things were going. I’ve heard him say more than once after being on the losing end of this or that that the only way to lose the fight is to quit.

    Whether he’d relish the VP slot or not is a different question, as is whether or not the other guy has someone else in mind who might be looked on favorably by the delegates.

  72. Trent Hill Post author

    I’m guessing it won’t be Judge Gray, nor should it.

    Same goes for Steve Kubby. Not because they aren’t great leaders, but because they need to focus on the Like Wine initiative.

  73. paulie

    It’s not Kubby. He allegedly said he talked to the person in question on the phone. Presumably he was not talking to himself.

  74. Andy

    Trent Hill said: “Same goes for Steve Kubby. Not because they aren’t great leaders, but because they need to focus on the Like Wine initiative.”

    They don’t really have any reason to have a great focus on it right now, because I think that they are past the point of having any chance to get that initiative on the 2012 ballot in California.

    The last I heard was that they were way behind on fundraising and that hardly any signatures had been collected. I heard they the plan to to re-file the initiative and to try to get it on the 2014 ballot.

  75. Andy

    LibertarianGirl said: “and Lee Wrights is fiesty , not short tempered”

    You obviously don’t know him very well. I’d say ill tempered irrational nutcase is more accurate.

    LibertarianGirl said: “and he’s the biggest team player we have”

    LOL! You obviously have never spent any time with the man. Consider yourself lucky!

  76. Jill Pyeatt

    Andy is right. I don’t think “Regulate Marijuana Like Wine” is an active plan at this time. I think the people involved are trying to work with one or both of the other initiatives about marijuana in CA.

  77. Steven R Linnabary

    As long as our next Veep candidate isn’t bat shit crazy and can campaign without embarrassing the LP, something the last two Veep candidates were incapable.

    PEACE

  78. Liz Garrett

    Personally, I would like to see Mike Jingozian as Gary Johnson’s VP. I think Jingozian would be a good choice for Johnson. Jingozian is not only a life-long Libertarian, but he’s also a very successful entrepreneur and executive. He runs a media and advertising firm. That’s really what the LP needs. Jingozian partnered with Mike Gravel and has even been in contact with Mike Bloomberg. He knows the issues and what’s important to Libertarians and for the LP.

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