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Is Wayne Allyn Root Leaving the Libertarian Party?

This email appeared on the LNC Discuss List, and made its way to the LP Radicals Caucus page on Facebook.  Is Wayne planning on leaving the LP?   Is this a threat, or an announcement?  
At this time, IPR is seeking confirmation of both the authenticity of this email and Mr. Root’s intentions.  


Date: June 27, 2012 1:42:58 PM PDT


Subject: Re: [Lnc-discuss] Highly recommended reading



Time to disassociate from abusive people.

People like you have chased decent and honorable people away from the LP for many decades.

You are abusive, negative, jealous, without class or manners.

Good luck to you.

I will have nothing further to say or do with you…or anyone who supports this disgusting behavior.

Some would call this “putting your peals before swine.”

This party has no interest in mobbing forward…in succeeding…in electing…in getting positive media.

Let it be noted…that I have said until now nothing negative about anyone…I stayed positive…I explained what I believe works…I supported Chairman Neale’s recommended reading…

I pointed out my successful commentaries in front of millions in the past few days at FoxNews…at TownHall (about my love of Texas of all things LOL) and at The Project to Restore America.

Not a word of thanks…no recognition of success…only attacks by the desperate and envious among the group.

This party knows nothing…zero…about how you encourage…thank…celebrate…or inspire success. Nothing. Zero.

It has far too many like Mr Meyers who denigrate and attack what others have achieved out of pure jealousy and envy.

So sad.

And everyone else is afraid to stand up for what is right…for fear they might get bullied or intimidated.

You have succeeded in chasing one more good person out of this party.

Enjoy your success- it is very short sighted and short lived.



 Wayne Allyn Root is the chair of the Libertarian National Campaign Committee, and was the 2008 vice-presidential candidate for the Libertarian Party 


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  1. paulie paulie September 27, 2012


    I’m sure it had nothing to do with his belief that a second Obama term will spell the end of all civilization, if not human life itself.

    No, it has to be the fault of us extreme Libertarians that just won’t endorse Romney no matter what.

    After all, anyone who is not a conspiracy-freak anarchist is endorsing Mitt, yes?

  2. Carol Moore Carol Moore August 25, 2012

    Root is fine as a free and independent non-affiliated “libertarian” conservative individual promoting his brand of libertarian conservatism. As to his business frauds, that’s for those affected to litigate and we’re always glad to see the news stories and pass them on. But when he engages in defrauding libertarians through trying to change the LP into an organization that will promote his own egotistical ambitions, his fraud becomes a highly unpopular, which is why he got booed so much. The only reason he squeaked on to the LNC is cause Gary Johnson endorsed him. Is someone going to start a petition somewhere to get him off or are they going to make me do it. I’m pretty up on his ill doings up to just before the convention, ala But would have to research what he’s done in months since. Not that difficult, but frankly I have MORE important organizing projects to work on right now….

  3. Jake Porter Jake Porter August 25, 2012

    WAR will not run for President in 2012. He may however write a new book in which he states that he ran for President in 2012.

  4. JT JT August 25, 2012

    Thank you, NF. That response 120 was funny though, haha.

  5. NewFederalist NewFederalist August 24, 2012

    I believe JT meant 2016. Root has said that in the past.

  6. Wired, Tired, Fired Wired, Tired, Fired August 24, 2012

    “has stated his intention to run for the party’s nomination for President in 2012 (I’m not sure if that’s still his intention).”

    I’ll go out on a limb and say not.

  7. JT JT August 24, 2012

    NF: “Does it really matter when and/or if Root leaves the LP? He is pretty much irrelevent now anyway.”

    He still gets a heck of a lot of media exposure for his views, remains in an official capacity in the LP & has stated his intention to run for the party’s nomination for President in 2012 (I’m not sure if that’s still his intention). I wouldn’t call that “irrelevant” as far as the LP is concerned.

    NF: “Can he do the party much harm upon exiting (if that is his plan)? I doubt it.”

    I don’t think any single person would do the party much harm by exiting. That’s the good thing about having a party that isn’t a cult of personality.

  8. paulie paulie August 24, 2012

    Ah…that makes more sense now 🙂

  9. Jill Pyeatt Jill Pyeatt Post author | August 24, 2012

    Paulie @ 116: I meant 114, but my brain saw the 23 (date) and made me type the wrong number. Oops.

  10. Jill Pyeatt Jill Pyeatt August 24, 2012

    paulie @ 23: Excellent! Thanks for the update.

  11. paulie paulie August 23, 2012

    I have been told that at least 250k of the 1mm has been deposited. Maybe more since then.

  12. Joe Buchman Joe Buchman August 20, 2012

    Jill @ 110 — I don’t.

    The campaign itself is heading toward another half a million though. And I heard the fundraising snailmail brought in over $50k.

    Also I’ve seen some videos that have been done by that PAC.

    I believe the amount of money they have should be a matter of public record though.

    I also hear there are significant conversations going on with lots of other potential significant financial supporters. Lots of buzz.


  13. paulie paulie August 19, 2012

    has been mad yet?

    Hope it’s been made, not made mad 🙂

  14. paulie paulie August 19, 2012

    Wayne has said he would like to join Rand Paul in the Senate.

  15. Jill Pyeatt Jill Pyeatt August 19, 2012

    Joe @ 104: Do you know if the million dollar donation that was announced at Root’s fundraiser on July 13th, has been made yet?

  16. Jill Pyeatt Jill Pyeatt August 19, 2012

    I agree that there wouldn’t be 2/3 vote to remove Wayne from the LNC. It would have to be a decision he makes himself. Let’s not forget his stated goal to run for President in 2016, and to win the Presidency in 2020. Will he be able to accomplish that with the LP? Probably better here than with the Republican party. The problem is that I’ve heard that Johnson wants to run again in 2016. What will that mean for Wayne if Johnson remains involved and well-liked after this election? He’ll have some serious strategizing to do.

    Frankly, I don’t expect to see the Republican party unchanged after the election. Assuming Obama wins, will they ever recover from the rampant fraud and rule-changing that was evident throughout the campaign season (I’m speaking of the enormous effort made to keep Ron Paul out)? Is it possible there will be an offshoot of the Republican party, along the lines of the Tea Party? That might be a good home for Wayne.

    Another suggestion would be for Root to run for senator in his state and get some more name recognition. I know many people have suggested that to him, but I don’t know what his reasons for not doing so would be.

  17. paulie paulie August 19, 2012

    Wayne’s strategy is to have the LP classified as right wing.

    Just posted this to LNC list in response to an inquiry by Mark Hilgenberg:


    My guess is that Carla Howell and/or Michael Cloud wrote it.

    Their strategy for the election is to go after battleground states with the aim of costing Romney the election, or at least being perceived as being in a position to do so, by peeling away conservative votes on economic issues. This is because they believe “… a President Romney Would be More Dangerous than President Obama”

    Wayne Root has a different strategy (along with some others such as Eric Dondero and Chuck Muth) which is also to emphasize libertarians being to the right of Republicans on economic issues, but to appeal to conservatives to vote LP in “safe” states while implicitly (in Wayne’s case) or explicitly (in Dondero’s) telling people to vote for Romney in battleground states because they believe that Obama is worse than Romney.

    I have an entirely different approach, because in my case I believe that both Obama and Romney are equally bad and because I am far more interested in making the LP appeal to the left-center-libertarian plurality of the youth vote (as we discussed in previous messages – roughly 80% libertarian on social issues, about 50% libertarian on economic issues, and anti-war) before they become entrenched in one of the two older/larger parties as previous generations already have. I believe that process, which would most likely take more than one election cycle to build the LP to the point where we force significant changes in government policy, is far more important than whether Obama or Romney wins and that nothing will really change regardless of which of them is sworn in to office next year.

    To reach this audience, I believe we need to emphasize peace and civil liberties issues, and when addressing economic issues we must take great care to make it clear how we believe our economic positions help the underdogs to level the playing field, rather than merely leave the impression that we want to further tilt things in the direction of greater wealth disparity.

    I think the Gary Johnson campaign has done a pretty good job in emphasizing peace and civil liberties issues quite a bit, and I hope they keep doing that. I also hope that there will be a major effort to organize college campuses this semester (I will help as much as I can) and that this effort will be continuous for the next four years non-stop through the 2016 election, when I hope to see Gary Johnson run again. If Gov. Johnson and Judge Gray can make several hundred appearances at colleges for the next four years, I think by 2016 we can do far better than we ever have in the past.

    Much as Reagan conservatives emphasize “three legs of the stool” with economic issues, social issues and foreign policy….

    “The Three Legs of the Conservative Stool are: Strong National Security/Foreign policy, Social Conservatism, Fiscal Conservatism. All Three legs must be there to have a solid base, …”

    I believe libertarianism needs all three legs of our own stool — Peace, Civil Liberties and Economic Liberty – two of which are in opposition to the Conservatives.

    The sooner we make both the people who should be supporting us and the people who should be opposing us realize this, the sooner we can begin to climb out of the rut we have been stuck in, which in my view is because we have mostly tilted our appeal towards conservatives and have created a lot of confusion in the public mind between the two.

    And, I am optimistic that the issues being emphasized by the Johnson campaign are finally setting us on the correct path as far as this goes.

    I CCed Carla and the LNC, but other than that I am not sure how I can help (I am taking the “help!” part below literally). Being a mere alternate, I am in no position to dictate to either staff or the LNC (nor could I dictate anything if I was a full voting member, I would then be just one vote out of 17). The most I can do is share my opinion. If you have a specific action that the LNC is allowed to take in mind, I can ask one of the voting members to introduce it, or ask JJM to allow me to introduce it. Please keep in mind that our chair and the majority of the LNC have expressed a strong preference to not have the LNC micromanage what the staff does.

    Knowing Carla and Wayne as I do, I don’t expect to persuade either of them that their strategy is wrong or that mine is right, nor do I expect them to convince each other.

    Given those facts, I am afraid we will have to live with them doing the type of outreach that they think is best regardless of whether we like it or not.

    And if we want our type of outreach to prevail we will just have to do more of it …even if the three approaches are to some degree detrimental to each other, which they are, we’ll just have to keep at it.

    I see no other solution.

    -paulie 415-690-6352

    On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Mark wrote:
    Hey Paulie,

    There really needs to be some kind of oversight committee regarding our press releases. This is crazy!

    It makes our local grassroots activism so much harder when we have to cover for these kinds of releases. This just reinforces to the right that Romney is the best choice and the left will keep thinking we are conservatives.


    Mark Hilgenberg
    Vice Chair
    Libertarian Party of Utah

  18. NewFederalist NewFederalist August 19, 2012

    Does it really matter when and/or if Root leaves the LP? He is pretty much irrelevent now anyway. Can he do the party much harm upon exiting (if that is his plan)? I doubt it. If the party was going to disintegrate it would have done so during the time period between the Clark campaign of 1980 and the fiasco of 1984. The real volcano was then. This is just a burp. The LP is destruction-proof just so long as it does NOT become a right wing or left wing party and goes in the opposite direction of extreme moderation. If they can’t classify you they can’t kill you!

  19. paulie paulie August 19, 2012

    On LNC Discuss Wayne has said that he is staying in to represent all the other libertarian-conservatives who voted him in to LNC, who are all also on the verge of leaving, he says.

    This is a mirror image of what happened with Angela Keaton. When she was elected to her second term she had already concluded that the LP was on balance detrimental to the cause of liberty after having nominated the Barr-Root ticket, and stayed on specifically so as to oppose the LNC majority.

    I think someone who opposes the LP as a whole should not want to be on the LNC, but at the same time I think voting people off the island – whether they be Keaton or Root – is a waste of time, and in Root’s case I don’t believe the required 2/3 votes are even close to being there.

  20. Jill Pyeatt Jill Pyeatt August 19, 2012

    I agree with you Joe. That enormous ego of his must have taken quite a beating at the Convention.

  21. Joe Buchman Joe Buchman August 19, 2012

    It seems clear to me that, based on more recent statements and actions, the answer to this question is — yes. So the new questions should be, IMO, When? and How much damage will he do first, on his way out and Has that already started?

    If you have no idea what I’m talking about, you are in the WRONG thread.



  22. Jill Pyeatt Jill Pyeatt August 19, 2012

    Also, interesting that Bruce didn’t comment on the article itself. Since this article has come out, I’ve read Wayne say another three or 4 times that he might leave. What does your good friend Wayne say to you Bruce? Are the “anti-semites” chasing him out of the party?

  23. Jill Pyeatt Jill Pyeatt August 19, 2012

    Thanks for the history lesson, Der.

    I just re-read Bruce’s comment from above, and read all the names of the other Libertarians he attacked out of the blue. Frankly,, I’m honored to be included in such a group. Thanks, Bruce.

  24. From Der Sidelines From Der Sidelines August 19, 2012

    Poor Brucie, crawling out of his desert hole again because he hasn’t been getting his “poor-me” attention lately, so he spouts his usual bullshit without any substance.

    We can only conclude the following, that one or more of these options are true:

    1. He ran out of his anti-psychotic meds.
    2. He lost yet another job.
    3. His non-inflatable girlfriend left him.
    4. His dog wised up and left him for the neighborhood coyote.
    5. Like his pals in the Starr Chamber, he’s lost his all-day sucker and is now whining about it.

    Brucie has this consistent habit of calling anyone he doesn’t agree with anti-Semitic. Considering that Semite actually means “a member of any of various ancient and modern peoples originating in southwestern Asia, including the Akkadians, Canaanites, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs.” as well as “Jew” and “a member of any of the peoples descended from Shem, the eldest son of Noah.”, it has lost its meaning EXCEPT for perpetuating the Jewish persecution complex that nutcases like Brucie have continued (and the Wiesenthal Center, the ADL, etc.).

    How about a little Biblical history just to illustrate how the meaning is lost?

    Shem, as most people know, was one of the sons of Noah. Shem had 5 sons: Elam, Asshur, Arpachshad, Lud, and Aram. Arpachshad had a son Shelah, who had a son Eber, who had a son Peleg. Peleg had a son Reu, who had a son Serug, who had a son Nahor, who had a son Terah, who had a son Abram. Abram, as the story goes, later became Abraham, who had both Isaac and Ishmael, and most know the story from there–the Jewish ans Christ lineages descended from Issac and the Arabic lineages descended from Ishamel. The lineage is all in Genesis 11:10-26. Ishmael’s descendants is in Genesis 25: 12-18 and include Kedar, who was the ancestor of Mohammed. See also The Jubliees.

    What that all means is that to call one a Semite is to refer to not only Jews but also Arabs and some Muslims as well. Since most radical Zionists like Brucie hate Arabs and Muslims, Brucie, being a Zionist himself, is as anti-Semitic as he claims others are. Got projection, Brucie? Yes, I’ll say it: there is a difference between Zionists and Jews. That’s not being anti-Semitic; that’s calling it like it is whether people want to hear it or not.

    Of course, he will promptly deny this and go off on another rant about it, as is expected and predicted. He hates being told to look in the mirror and finding his own hate reflected back at him.

    Me, being no part of any of the so-called Abrahamic religions, I have no ill will towards any of the Semite races, but I wish they would recognize their common ancestry in Abraham and in his name as well as his God’s name live in peace instead of war.

  25. paulie paulie August 19, 2012

    Just like hardcore racists and anti-semites throw around slurs like “Communists.” It works both ways; how typical!

  26. roseanne-rothbard report roseanne-rothbard report August 19, 2012

    Your hardcore Communists will throw out slurs such as “anti-semite” when they are losing an argument. Typical Alinskyite stuff.

  27. Jill Pyeatt Jill Pyeatt Post author | August 19, 2012

    I believe I have said that we shouldn’t be sending money to other countries. Somehow, Bruce seems to think that makes me anti-Semitic. Well, bless you heart! That term has been overused so often, and used so incorrectly, that it doesn’t mean anything anymore.

    You’ll have to come up with something else, Bruce, to get me worked up. I’m pretty mellow here in my old age.

    BTW, I’m really sorry everything is going so badly for you. I’m sincere about that. I’ve been told you were quite an activist years ago. What happened?

  28. Oranje Mike Oranje Mike August 19, 2012


    It is always wise to provide evidence before making such claims.

    What makes Libertarians anti-Semetic? Because we oppose wars of aggression? Because some of us to not want to fund the Israeli military? Because we don’t support using arms to kill children for throwing rocks? Please, Sir, elaborate.

  29. Thomas L. Knapp Thomas L. Knapp August 19, 2012

    There are real anti-semites out there.

    There are probably some even in the Libertarian Party.

    Repeatedly accusing people of anti-semitism while refusing (or not being able) to provide any actual evidence is a great way of trivializing the allegation.

  30. Bruce Cohen Bruce Cohen August 18, 2012

    Certainly Ms. Pyatt and her husband are at least as antisemitic as Ron Paul. And Jay Myers. And Lee Wrights.

    What she and her husband have said about Jews and Israel in the past clearly put her in that category. Just like Judge Jimmy and his besties Dean Ahmad and the CAIR gang and Matthew Barnes.

    Yes you are an antisemite Jill.
    Why not stand up and be proud of what you are?

    There is nada unfounded here.
    The only ‘un’ about it is being UNcloseted.

    Stand up and proudly admit you’re a Jew hater, Libertarians! You too, Jill.

    PS How long until this post is censored down? Jill the productive censor who believes in free speech for only herself.

  31. paulie paulie August 4, 2012

    Or maybe you are making unfounded accusations while providing no evidence or credibility whatsoever for your claims. Why should anyone believe you?

  32. Party follower Party follower August 3, 2012

    Jill Pyeatt, maybe so many people think you’re a Jew-hater because you are one.

  33. paulie paulie July 29, 2012

    I believe they claim they were censored on an (official?) LP forum.

    From what I have been told it was just a small handful of anti-liberty trolls who continuously exhibited very poor behavior e.g. cursing, promoting anti-libertarian candidates, name calling, etc.

  34. Terry Holtz Terry Holtz July 29, 2012

    Mark, I believe they claim they were censored on an (official?) LP forum. I know they feel that there is a degree of anti-semitism in the party. But I am too busy to be informed on the particulars and the personalities. For me ignorance is bliss and I try to stay out of such fights. I do consider these individuals to be on-line friends, but they are big boys and can fight their own battles. I only chimed in as I suspect that this is what WAR was referring to.

  35. Max Budem Lupit Max Budem Lupit July 29, 2012

    That would be the tortured logic being used by those who smear JJM and others in the LP as antisemitic, yes.

  36. Mark Hilgenberg Mark Hilgenberg July 29, 2012

    Well I am against all other aid also, I guess I am anti-Russian for being against giving them aid. Odd.

  37. Max Budem Lupit Max Budem Lupit July 29, 2012

    I think @82 is confusing opposition to US government aid for Israel with anti-semitism. Libertarians should know better, and mos already do.

  38. Jill Pyeatt Jill Pyeatt Post author | July 29, 2012

    82 and 85: I’m someone who has been accused of being anti-Semitic. I challenged everyone here on IPR, and all 5000 + of my Facebook friends to come up with even one sentence proving I’m an anti-Semite, and no one ever did. It’s a myth that our party is filled with anti-Semites, just as I believe it is a myth that Republicans will flock to the LP if we stop talking about social issues.

    Terry, you may have 4 or 5 Jewish friends who have left the party, but I’ll bet you know many non-Jews who have left as well, as I do.

  39. Terry Holtz Terry Holtz July 29, 2012

    I have four or five Jewish LP friends who seem to have left the party recently. Is it possible WAR is referring to them?

  40. SOL SOL July 29, 2012

    @81 Wayne has NOT been doing that. He does not promote the party because he believes LP view on social issues and foreign policy do not appeal to his target audience.

    @82 is just plain lying.

  41. Jill Pyeatt Jill Pyeatt Post author | July 29, 2012

    PF @ 82: Shut up unless you have proof. The Anti-Semite slur is used so often and inappropriately that it means nothing, anyway.

  42. Party follower Party follower July 29, 2012

    John Jay Myers is a vicious anti-Semite. He has chased many people out of the party.

  43. Greg Hertzsch Greg Hertzsch July 28, 2012

    In reference to comment #69 about Harry Browne and his communication skills bringing in more people to the LP, the fact that Wayne Root has been doing just that is a good thing. But really, Gary Johnson needs to be doing much of that as well during this election season. Harry Browne brought in the inquiries because he was our presidential candidate. Gary Johnson can and should be doing the same.

  44. Indy Indy July 2, 2012

    He’s not going away after that either IMO. Wonder who the good person he meant was….his wife? Someone else? Clearly not himself despite conclusions some jumped to here.

  45. Joe Buchman Joe Buchman July 2, 2012

    Indy @ 78. Yep. See my comment @ 35.

  46. Indy Indy July 2, 2012

    Pretty clear now Wayne did not resign.

  47. Bubbalicious Bubbalicious June 29, 2012

    I am self employed. I quit and/or fire myself a few times every week! My guess is that Root is not quitting the LP, at least not now, if ever.

  48. Jill Pyeatt Jill Pyeatt Post author | June 29, 2012

    Thanks, Paulie., I’ll be sure to get something out today, and good luck!

  49. paulie paulie June 28, 2012

    I wrote Wayne to check whether the story is accurate. If anyone already asked and received a reply please let me know.

  50. paulie paulie June 28, 2012

    Jill (and anyone else)

    I also wanted to know who the chairs are for the Region you’re hoping to be Rep for. You said they might vote on Saturday, IIRC, so I need to get an email out to them today or tomorrow.

    I’m running for alternate

    Those voting will be

    Adrien Monteleone chairman at
    Patrick Dixon chair at
    Mark Bodenhausen markbodenhausen at (AL – also running for the same spot)
    Ross V. Scalise vicechair at since chair Danny Bedwell will not be available
    I’m not sure if this is correct – I have not seen a response from this address: oklalpchair at

  51. LibertarianGirl LibertarianGirl June 28, 2012

    This post doesnt strike me as waynes style or cadence…plus its pretty short , when Wayne is miffed he writes a chapter.

    2 blatant lies in the piece though. He(?) says he never says bad things about people , um , bullshit , he spent his entire keynote speech at the LPNevada State conv. bashing Mark Hinkle and Carla Howell.

    and den… he says noone stands up for him because they are afraid of being bullied. I took alot of slack for supporting him , I spent alot of time arguing that he wasnt a bad guy , I defended him , I saw him as an asset. then he turned around and axed all my county parties….

    if you did write this Wayne , try not thinking your perfect , admit mistakes , it builds character

  52. Alan Pyeatt Alan Pyeatt June 28, 2012

    LP Observer @ 36: “Big time congratulations to John Jay Meyers, those in the Texas LP, and Starchild for running Wayne Root out of town on a rail.”

    Please. First of all, I’m not buying it. But if WAR really were that easy to drive out of the LP, it would show that he doesn’t have thick enough skin for a movement that intends to effect social change – especially one that wants to shut down the Federal Reserve, end foreign aid, and stop the American World Empire.

    But again, I think it’s a weak ploy to spin the blowback to WAR’s actions as an attempt at purging him from the party, and gain sympathy for his cause. Hopefully, most Libertarians can see through it.

  53. Gene Berkman Gene Berkman June 28, 2012

    Austen @ 47 – Wayne is not trying to bring Paleos into the Libertarian Party – Paleos tend to be anti-Israel, and don’t watch Fox News anyway..

    Zapper @ 51 quotes Common Tater:
    “We need an LP that is big enough for John Jay Myers, Starchild AND Wayne Root.”

    I agree with the proviso, we need an LP big enough I never have to run into Wayne Root, or listen to his ranting.

  54. JT JT June 28, 2012

    Andy: “Yes, I recall the days when Harry Browne was making media appearances that his media appearances were generating more inquiries to the Libertarian Party. I wish that there was somebody in the Libertarian Party like Harry Browne right now.”

    I recall those days as well. Aside from consistently presenting a libertarian message that could appeal to many people in the conservative quadrant as well as the liberal quadrant, HB also made it a point to urge people to join the LP & vote Libertarian in every race. He always said that voting Democrat or Republican was a wasted vote for any libertarian-leaning person. He was a tremendous libertarian speaker & writer. How many people joined the LP because of him? I don’t know the answer, but based on anecdotal evidence it’s a heck of a lot.

    RIP, Harry.

  55. Jill Pyeatt Jill Pyeatt Post author | June 28, 2012

    Johnson has issued a good commentary on the healthcare ruling. I’ve just posted it as an article.

  56. Joe Buchman Joe Buchman June 28, 2012

    Thanks Chuck (@ 66 ).

    My IPR Headline would have been: “Root: It’s got to be Romney; LP: No, Wayne, it’s got to be Obama; Joe: When does it get to be Johnson?”


  57. Chuck Moulton Chuck Moulton June 28, 2012

    Joe Buchman wrote (@64):

    @ 62 George. I did not find the press release to be “excellent” at all. I remain bewildered that there’s no mention of the LP candidate for POTUS in there.

    I fully agree.

  58. Bob Bridges Bob Bridges June 28, 2012

    @ 43 Well said!

  59. Joe Buchman Joe Buchman June 28, 2012

    I spoke with a member of the LNC Executive Committee this morning. No resignation has been received by him. IMO this is all unhelpful speculation.

    @ 62 George. I did not find the press release to be “excellent” at all. I remain bewildered that there’s no mention of the LP candidate for POTUS in there. Is the party left with nothing more to do than have its LNC members and paid staff argue about which of two other parties candidates we should support?

    @ 61 Stewart — Glad to see you back posting here. I hope your business rebuilding goes well. I can’t imagine trying to own a business here&now, anymore than at the time Alice Rosenbaum’s father tried to own a pharmacy . . .

  60. Andy Andy June 28, 2012

    “A million media appearances is worth little if it doesn’t lead to some clear, positive result. Yet WR seems to think that all of his media exposure is good in itself.”

    Yes, I recall the days when Harry Browne was making media appearances that his media appearances were generating more inquiries to the Libertarian Party. I wish that there was somebody in the Libertarian Party like Harry Browne right now.

  61. George Phillies George Phillies June 28, 2012

    Today’s excellent LP Press release, on some of the reasons why Rmoney is infinitely worse than Obama, may have some effect on the rumors being discussed here.

  62. Stewart Flood Stewart Flood June 28, 2012


    The convention cost a lot more than I planned for. Good thing that I don’t gamble, or it might have set me back even more. I have been trying to build my business back up, as well as actually get some local/state LP work done. I plan to sort it all out and publish the LP’s equivalent of the “Pentagon Papers” at some point, hopefully not in the too distant future.

    The current LP leadership knows most of it, so they are aware of who the players are. Most of them are in hiding right now, plotting their next moves.

    It will appear. The hooded key holders of the inner chamber will be unmasked, de-cloaked, and their evil rings of power consumed in the river of liberty. The solution is to destroy the rings of power so that they cannot return.

  63. JT JT June 28, 2012

    Battenberg: “I understand he is trying to bring some paleos over to us, and maybe its working. But just being in the media isn’t an instant guarantee that those individuals will come over.”


    The fact that WR gets on a huge number of radio & TV shows, as he points out ad nauseum, is unassailable. But the question is: what has that done for the LP? Are there many people becoming members/donors to the party because they heard/saw him on radio/TV? What’s the payoff for all of these appearances (other than Wayne possibly raising his own profile)?

    A million media appearances is worth little if it doesn’t lead to some clear, positive result. Yet WR seems to think that all of his media exposure is good in itself. Maybe it’s good for him, but it doesn’t seem to be doing a lot of good for the party. And that’s even disregarding the fact that he portrays libertarians as the natural allies of conservatives & the enemies of liberals.

    I suppose if GJ gets a lot more votes than previous Libertarian candidates for President have received from dissatisfied conservatives, he may claim some responsibility for that. I would be difficult to ascribe that to his efforts though. After all, I don’t think Libertarian candidates for Congress did a lot better in elections in 2010, when WR was already in the media a lot & the economy wasn’t any better than it is now.

  64. Mark Hilgenberg Mark Hilgenberg June 28, 2012

    @ Common 56

    I agree but we should not have roads that put up road blocks for all of the other paths.

    Being known as bigoted, homophobic, race baiting, conservative, rich, white exclusive guys, hasn’t helped us with the vast majority of the population.

  65. zapper zapper June 28, 2012

    @52 Agreed again.

    You are indeed a wise and unusual Tater. For you, like most, have many eyes, but yours can see.

  66. Common Tater Common Tater June 28, 2012

    There are many roads to liberty.

  67. Mark Hilgenberg Mark Hilgenberg June 28, 2012

    @Common (Nice name BTW 🙂 48

    The problem is, of the three people you mention; two are inclusive and want various methods of outreach to the broadest group of people. They want a party full of “we” centered individuals.

    One person wants “me” centered people, primarily older, white, well to do who have bigotries and biases towards anyone different.

  68. Carol Moore Carol Moore June 28, 2012

    Oh, Common Tater, you are so correct on #52.

  69. Common Tater Common Tater June 28, 2012

    The LNC should focus on growth, fundraising, strategy, outreach…not urination contests and penis-measuring.

  70. zapper zapper June 28, 2012

    Common Tater // Jun 28, 2012 at 11:03 am

    We need an LP that is big enough for John Jay Myers, Starchild AND Wayne Root.


  71. Common Tater Common Tater June 28, 2012

    If not, someone should.

  72. Carol Moore Carol Moore June 28, 2012

    If we LOSERS would just admit Wayne’s HIGH QUALITY WINNER superiority, and bow down, we would not be so obstructionist. So has anyone on LNC bothered to ask him if he actually is quitting?

  73. Common Tater Common Tater June 28, 2012

    We need an LP that is big enough for John Jay Myers, Starchild AND Wayne Root.

  74. Austin Battenberg Austin Battenberg June 28, 2012

    Yea, I don’t want Wayne to leave, I just don’t want him to be acting like a conservative and portray us libertarians as conservatives. I understand he is trying to bring some paleos over to us, and maybe its working. But just being in the media isn’t an instant guarantee that those individuals will come over. When Freedom Watch was playing for a year, did we have a huge bump in our numbers? Probably not.

  75. Jill Pyeatt Jill Pyeatt Post author | June 28, 2012

    Paulie @ 40: Thanks for the response. I also wanted to know who the chairs are for the Region you’re hoping to be Rep for. You said they might vote on Saturday, IIRC, so I need to get an email out to them today or tomorrow.


  76. Jill Pyeatt Jill Pyeatt Post author | June 28, 2012

    I haven’t heard back from Wayne or any of his people, which surprises me. I agree with Chuck Moulton that I shouldn’t have posted the article without some kind of confirmation from Wayne, although we’ve had some good discussion of his perplexing email. If I were Wayne, I wouldn’t respond to me (we haven’t exactly been the best of friends), so if someone does communicate with him for some clarification, I’ll post a retraction if I was wrong.

  77. JamesT JamesT June 28, 2012

    Just as an outside observer this is comically childish and why I don’t give the LP $ as much as I like their candidates running.

  78. Steven R Linnabary Steven R Linnabary June 28, 2012

    LP Observer @ 36:

    Everything in your post is off base at best or a total fabrication, save your partial truth here:

    Destroy anyone with ideas that are not quite in tune with the Libertarian philosophy.

    I don’t believe Root is being “destroyed” at all. Nobody can destroy Wayne except Wayne himself. That said, the partial truth is that Root is NOT in tune with libertarian philosophy and continually rejects constructive criticism of any sort when this is pointed out.

    Not that everyone should be required to toe the LP line on every single issue. Even I have a glaring non-libertarian idea that I cling to (I happen to believe that if the US is going to have a “special relationship” with any country, it should only be with Liberia. I think we have a moral obligation to them). But as a leader in the LP, I would never publicly say that is a libertarian idea. And I would not have a hissy fit if somebody disagreed.

    I for one will not be doing a “victory lap” if Wayne leaves. Any loss is one too many, especially for a party as small as the LP. Wayne COULD be a good fit if he actually talked about libertarianism rather seemingly trying to embarrass the LP every time he gets in the media.


  79. mark hilgenberg mark hilgenberg June 28, 2012

    @ LP 36

    What did Starchild do to drive him out?

  80. Carol Moore Carol Moore June 28, 2012

    Skimming through and thinking about it – I think Root meant his WIFE is the “good person” who is leaving the party. But he’s enjoying all the attention of people discussing if he’s leaving. Of course, if he was looking for a lot of crying and breast beating, he’s not finding much.

  81. Paulie Paulie June 28, 2012

    Hi Jill, got your voicemail. I’m on the east coast right now (Hagerstown, MD) and it was past midnight my time, and I won’t assume it’s late enough to call you on West Coast time now.

    Given that your story has received all these comments and views, I don’t think you should pull it. However, I think you, or someone, should call or email Wayne and ask him whether he meant what people here are guessing he meant. If you are not on speaking terms, I recommend someone else from IPR do so. I’ll be in the field today so I probably won’t get to it myself.

    If he says he is not leaving I would recommend a new story making that clear. If he is, that could be a story as well.


  82. bruuno bruuno June 28, 2012

    #37- Don’t you know that Wayne and his wife actually met when they were both students at The Donald Trump School of Communication, the classiest school in the world.

  83. Ctomp Ctomp June 28, 2012

    @36- No one is being purged. Root is a individual making a choice for his own ends- whether he goes or stays.

  84. Root's Teeth Are Awesome Root's Teeth Are Awesome June 28, 2012

    @ 36, Please don’t forget that Root helped with some purges of his own, including the purge of all local LP parties in Nevada.

    These Rootie Toothie Reformers are always talking about Good Manners, and Big Tent, and Building the Party — but they never walk the talk.

    Sadly, I’m not 100% convinced that Root will leave. Why is he so silent?

    Nor do I believe his wife said any of that. I think Root is lying. Why? Because his wife’s “words” sound exactly like Root.

    Is that how they all speak at the Root household?

    Root: Just got back from doing 14 media interviews today.

    Wife: Just add them to the thousands of media interviews you’ve done since 2008.

    Daughter: Oh dad, the 2008 Libertarian Party Vice Presidential nominee, can I go play next after dinner?

    Root: Sure, you go ahead, while I continue to run a half dozen successful businesses in addition to my work for the party.

    Wife: Don’t forget to buy some milk if you go out, Wayne, author of the bestselling Conscience of a Libertarian, How to Save American With God, Guns, and Gold.

  85. LP observer LP observer June 28, 2012

    Big time congratulations to John Jay Meyers, those in the Texas LP, and Starchild for running Wayne Root out of town on a rail. Well done. You didn’t get him in the “ambush” in Las Vegas, but you eventually nailed him. Who else will you be purging next. Let the purge begin. Will you be going after some state chairs also? Keep it going. Destroy anyone with ideas that are not quite in tune with the Libertarian philosophy. Sounds libertarian to me?

  86. Joe Buchman Joe Buchman June 28, 2012

    I doubt Mr. Root will leave the LP before the Friday the 13th fundraiser with both Gary Johnson and Jim Gray at Wayne’s home in Las Vegas.


    “Join us at the home of Wayne Allyn Root, 2008 Libertarian Party Vice-Presidential Candidate to celebrate Liberty with Governor Gary Johnson and Judge Jim Gray, the 2012 Libertarian Party nominees for President and Vice-President.
    Friday July 13th 7:30 to 10:30 pm

    Transportation Provided, Hors d’oeuvres, Beer and Wine Served. $100 per person

  87. Jill Pyeatt Jill Pyeatt Post author | June 28, 2012

    Thanks, Joe, that was it! I think that comment along with yesterday’s make it seem reasonable to assume that he’s leaving.

  88. Joe Buchman Joe Buchman June 28, 2012

    Here it is —

    From: WAYNE ROOT
    Date: May 20, 2012 7:35:14 PM PDT
    Subject: Re: [Lnc-discuss] Meme generation, posting techniques, and methods


    To my knowledge…the LP frowns on attacks…but supports self defense.

    I don’t ever hit first.

    But I sure as hell defend myself from vicious statements and unfounded comments.

    And I’ll always do so.

    Maybe you ought to check the email that I’m responding to before you single me out.

    I’ve tried to be nice…I’ve tried to help…and I’ve said multiple times in previous emails to take this off line.

    But one thing I won’t do…is refrain from responding to vicious first strike attacks with my own self defense.

    I emailed with a simple one paragraph poll pointing out that 86% of Americans thinks jobs and the economy are the issue that matters.

    After that I was attacked in a way that my own wife saw and was so disgusted she is asking me to leave the party.

    She is a woman of great class and common sense and her response was “If after 5 years and thousands of media appearances…and 2 years of LNC and LNCC…all done for free…all of that sacrifice away from your wife, children, and business…all the hours, dollars, and precious time…meets with that response from John Jay Meyers…It’s time to use your time for other endeavors.”

    I’m thinking long and hard.



  89. Jill Pyeatt Jill Pyeatt Post author | June 28, 2012

    I really want to post Wayne’s comment about his wife wanting him to leave the party because the LP doesn’t appreciate the hard work he does for us. I’ve looked it up on Phillies’ LPUS list and it’s # 285, but when I look up comment 285, that isn’t it. Can someone help?

  90. Joe Buchman Joe Buchman June 28, 2012

    Steward @ 19 — Just wondering how the rest of the explication of the secret meetings, key-holders, hooded cloak wearers is coming? I had heard you were going to either post more here that could shake up the current LNC and/or lead to actions against some decisions of the past LNC, or that you were going to post that on your own website.

    Just wondering What’s up? Is there more to come? I feel like it was the 1930s, I was in the middle of a great radio-serial and it got canceled with LOTS of loose ends!

  91. John Jay Myers John Jay Myers June 28, 2012

    Starchild asked him if he was serious, no response. I responded to Starchild’s email pointing out that he said it twice in the email, not once, and then mentioned that he was definitely talking about himself, no response.
    He threatened to quit last month.

    In my opinion this was him quitting #1:
    “People like you have chased decent and honorable people away from the LP for many decades.

    You are abusive, negative, jealous, without class or manners.

    Good luck to you.

    I will have nothing further to say or do with you…or anyone who supports this disgusting behavior.”

    And that the further line about “chasing one more good person out of the party” was him quitting #2. It could have only meant him, if you read all the emails in context, no one mentioned anyone leaving, there was no talk of someone being pushed out.

    The only person he could referring to was himself.

  92. Jill Pyeatt Jill Pyeatt Post author | June 28, 2012

    I did think I’d hear from him by now, though, or one of the men who work closely with him. I’ll see if I can find the comment where he said Deborah wanted him to leave.

  93. Trent Hill Trent Hill June 27, 2012

    Chuck–I think the email is fairly straight-forward. It’s a threat to leave.

  94. Chuck Moulton Chuck Moulton June 27, 2012

    I think you’re all jumping to conclusions. The email is ambiguous at best and it is contradicted by everything Wayne has said in the past about not letting a few naysayers chase him off. In my opinion it should not have been posted as an IPR article without confirmation from Root himself.

  95. Tom Blanton Tom Blanton June 27, 2012

    You have succeeded in chasing one more good person out of this party.

    Root would not describe himself as a “good person.”

    At minimum, he would describe himself as great, maybe even the greatest libertarian that has ever lived since Ronald Reagan or some similar bullshit.

    But what do I know? I am envious, jealous, and have no class. Plus, I’m seething with hatred for all super-successful right-wing talk radio pundits.

  96. Alan Pyeatt Alan Pyeatt June 27, 2012

    “I believe the Governor would be a far better media face for the LP than WAR has ever been”

    Amen. And while my experience is limited, most of the people I know in the RLC would be far less tolerant of WAR’s antics than the LP has.

  97. Jill Pyeatt Jill Pyeatt Post author | June 27, 2012

    I have recently read the rest of the LNC Discuss list, and there are no more references that Wayne is leaving. I’m inclined to think he was speaking about someone else leaving the party besides himself.

  98. Jill Pyeatt Jill Pyeatt Post author | June 27, 2012

    I sent him a FB message, but if I don’t hear back I’ll try emailing him in the morning.

  99. Ad Hoc Ad Hoc June 27, 2012

    Has anyone bothered to call or email Wayne Root to confirm this?

  100. NewFederalist NewFederalist June 27, 2012

    Why would he leave now? I think this is all bogus.

  101. Jill Pyeatt Jill Pyeatt Post author | June 27, 2012

    DW @ 18: John Jay Myers of Texas. He’s a regional rep on the LNC.

  102. Stewart Flood Stewart Flood June 27, 2012

    Jill @15,

    There wouldn’t need to be a change to the ByLaws. The ByLaws designate that vacancies are to be filled by the LNC, but there is no stipulation regarding the process of nominations or of seeking candidates for the position.

    Speaking theoretically, (since I have no idea from the message that started this discussion whether Mr Root was speaking of himself or of someone who is not a member of the LNC), Mr Neale could easily chose to poll the membership, poll state chairs, or even do what has been done in the recent past and have other members of the LNC play musical chairs — the winner being elected to fill the vacant position.

  103. Don Wills Don Wills June 27, 2012

    Who’s the “John” that the email is addressed to? Us outsiders have inquiring minds!

  104. Root's Teeth Are Awesome Root's Teeth Are Awesome June 27, 2012

    Root is a drama queen, so this may just be some hysterics.

    But an exit from any organization, at an opportune time, in an opportune manner, can be more advantageous than staying.

    If Root left as election 2012 nears, he can say on Fox News that he left the LP because “this election is too important to lose,” and that as “a patriotic American,” he “had to put country ahead of party,” and so he left the LP to urge everyone to vote for Romney.

    An ex-“Libertarian leader,” supporting Romney just when the LP seems poised to get decent vote totals, would make Root sometime of a hero at Fox News.

    Perhaps Root feels he’s hit the ceiling at the LP, so his next move is as an “ex-Libertarian leader” who “put country ahead of party.”

    Other pundits have made careers as conservatives-turned-progressives or progressives-turned-conservatives. Being a former villain who “saw the light” and converted does carry a certain cache.

  105. Mike B. Mike B. June 27, 2012

    “You have succeeded in chasing one more good person out of this party.”

    It sure sounds like he’s done with the LP.

    I’ve always thought his political view are more aligned with the Republican Liberty Caucus
    (libertarian-leaning conservative faction of the Republican Party).

    If true, I’m sure he’ll endorse Romney for president soon.

  106. Jill Pyeatt Jill Pyeatt Post author | June 27, 2012

    There has been a motion talked about by Geoff Neale to change the by-laws so that any vacancy in the ranks of At-Large rep or Region reps be filled after being opened for discussion by the LP body instead of being appointed by the LNC. Let’s hope that, if Wayne is leaving, that this new way of filling positions is followed.

  107. Mark Hilgenberg Mark Hilgenberg June 27, 2012


    I disagree, while I don’t hate Wayne or think he is evil, I just think he does not have a correct understanding of Liberty.

    Liberty is for everyone and it will benefit all individuals, not just rich, white, older business owners and corporations. Promoting Liberty to the downtrodden, the youth and picked on minorities is our best hope, not well to do older people who just want to rig the system to keep more of they have.

    We need to be the difference, show a new path and stop siding with the GOP and their politics of divisiveness; it does nothing to help our party.

  108. Krzysztof Lesiak Krzysztof Lesiak June 27, 2012

    He should leave. He’s just a neocon opportunist who is trying to infiltrate the LP and destroy it. It should be obvious to anyone who regularly reads IPR by this point.

    Bye bye Root, go back to your friends at Fox and stay clear of third parties.

  109. Joe Buchman Joe Buchman June 27, 2012

    According to the email, Mr. Root wrote:

    >>Not a word of thanks…no recognition of success…only attacks by the desperate and envious among the group.<< I, for one, do not find myself desperate or in any way envious of Mr. Root. I wish him well. I am opposed to what he has done, and do not see it as successful, if success in this domain is measured by "advancing Liberty." I see it as a distraction, at best, destructive, and perhaps intentionally so at worst. He seems unwilling, or unable to see things from that point of view -- one where the TEA-Party, Birther, Conservative audience he has claimed to be attempting to bring to the LP by the tens of thousands is left either wanting only a Right-Leaning (Reagan-Libertarian) version of what was once a Principle-Based alternative -- or is so offended by feeling misled (a kind of bait-and-switch) at the social side of Liberty (based on Self-Ownership and explicated most recently in John Stossel's No They Can't book, for example), that they are less likely to vote Libertarian than before Mr. Root brought them over. Another member of the LNC, not JJM, once told me s/he saw the equivalent of this as getting someone into bed, only to mention at that moment the issue of STDs. It's not honest. It's not fair. It's not IMO successful marketing. It's definitely NOT deserving of gratitude, and it has nothing to do with being either desperate or envious. Let's hope this is another step toward bringing the LP back to a Principled stand. One more in alignment, in my experience, with Governor Johnson's record and stands on these various issues. I believe the Governor would be a far better media face for the LP than WAR has ever been, not only for the next 4 months, but for the next 4 years and 4 months for another (re) election campaign in 2016. And IMO that's why WAR is leaving. He's seen the door slam shut within the LP for any chance at 2016, or for his daughter's chances in the years beyond (something he expressed a loving father's desire for at the 2008 convention).

  110. Be Rational Be Rational June 27, 2012

    It would be a loss for the Libertarian Party if Wayne Root were to leave the party, so I hope that he does not. He should remain as chair of the LNCC if he wants to build the LP as a voice for liberty. He can use his skills to raise funds for a list of well-chosen candidates.

    However, leaving the LNC is probably a good idea. That body has been a center and source of in-fighting instead of party building for a long while and despite the hoped for change and promise from the recent National Convention, there seems to be more continuity in the problems than realization of the hoped for change toward a productive working leadership group.

    The LNC still seems more a group for debaters than for doers.

  111. Joe Buchman Joe Buchman June 27, 2012

    John Jay — since you’re here, I’ll delete that comment above (that was) @ 9 and let you reproduce it if you want it to have a larger audience.


  112. Joe Buchman Joe Buchman June 27, 2012

    From LP Radical Caucus Facebook page:


    John Jay Myers —

    (Deleted) — On reconsideration, I’ll leave it to John Jay as to whether he would like his FB post to have a larger audience.


  113. John Jay Myers John Jay Myers June 27, 2012

    Gene, just scanning your message, but, none of those things are true in Texas at this time.

  114. Joe Buchman Joe Buchman June 27, 2012

    Similar thinking to the infamous Wright Amendment, remnants of which remain in effect until 2014.

  115. Gene Berkman Gene Berkman June 27, 2012

    In response to Wayne’s column about Texas, let me note a couple of issues where business regulation is worse in Texas than in California.
    (I am a native of California, lived in Austin, TX from 1977 to 1982 and moved back to California.)

    Texas has a “branch bank law” that bans branches of banks. Each bank can have only one office, which is inconvenient if you move from one town to another, or even to a different part of a city like Houston, Dallas or San Antonio. And there are no national banks in Texas, at least when I lived there, so many business related banking issues become more complex.

    Also when I lived there, UPS was not allowed to deliver from one address in Texas to a different location in Texas. I could get things shipped to me from out of state via UPS, and I could ship out of state, but I had to go with a local company for in-state shipping.

    And yes, taxes are high in California, but the top rate of 9.3% is less than the top rate of 11% when Ronald Reagan was Governor.

  116. Joe Buchman Joe Buchman June 27, 2012

    It appears based on the following subsequent email his (at least current-in-the-moment apparently rather emotionally charged intention is to resign):

    From: WAYNE ROOT
    Date: June 27, 2012 8:47:06 AM PDT
    To: Discussion LNC
    Subject: [Lnc-discuss] Wayne for LNC “Why All My Ex’s Live in Texas”

    One more thing…

    John Jay, Lee and Geoff… I sure hope ya ‘all like this one…

    This was published this morning at TownHall about my LOVE of Texas!

  117. Jill Pyeatt Jill Pyeatt Post author | June 27, 2012

    What would this mean for the LNCC? He could stay there as the chair and use that for credentials.

    I agree that he’s worked hard to put his people in places, however, and if he’s made a decision to go, I’m sure it was made after the convention, or he wouldn’t have run for At-Large again.

  118. Alan Pyeatt Alan Pyeatt June 27, 2012

    This sounds like a ploy to me. He’s worked too hard putting his people into positions to give up now.

    So even if he were to leave the LP, I still think he would be working behind the scenes to abort our mission.

    Besides, if he really leaves the LP, what credentials does he have to get on FOX News? He hasn’t really made his mark as an openly conservative pundit.

    So, I wouldn’t lose too much sleep over it if I were one of his minions.

  119. Carol Moore Carol Moore June 27, 2012

    It would help to collect the 3 or 4 “Worst” of John’s comments so we’ll know if they were really THAT out of line with LNC back and forth so at least we’ll know what to say when people and Wayne on TV start screaming “You people support those horrible people who insulted Wayne out of the party.” Wayne just doesn’t get that boasting and bragging and acting like “high quality” king of the hill are a TURN OFF to most libertarians.

  120. give-me-liberty give-me-liberty June 27, 2012

    Don’t let the door hit you in the ass.

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