Gov. Johnson releases statement on Libya

Libertarian presidential candidate Gov. Gary Johnson released this statement regarding the attack on the American consulate in Libya and the death of the U.S. ambassador:

It is tragic when Americans serving their country are murdered, and we both mourn their loss and honor their service.

Part of honoring that service is to ask the obvious question: What U.S. interest is being served by putting our people – and our money – in places where U.S. personnel can be killed by extremists over a video? We launched millions of dollars worth of missiles to bring down Gaddafi, and this is what we get. We hail and encourage the outbreak of an Arab Spring in Egypt, send them billions of dollars we can’t afford, — and our embassy is breached and our flag desecrated.

Read the full statement here.

 

 

 

14 thoughts on “Gov. Johnson releases statement on Libya

  1. From Der Sidelines

    Totally incorrect response.

    The correct response is that diplomats are not to be attacked, the act was a murder and the victim had nothing to do with the film, making these planned riots even more abhorrent, and that the Libyan government needs to bring these murdering hoodlums to justice.

    Diplomats are not part of foreign interventionism and are treated as foreign dignitaries, not foreign occupiers. They are usually the first line of peace before war.

    Johnson would do well to note the difference.

    Keep in mind that killing diplomats and attack embassies are acts of war.

  2. Krieger

    “Diplomats are not part of foreign interventionism”

    Actually, they are. And this Chris Stevens was one of them. He supported the Wahhabi terrorists in their coup against Qaddafi’s government last year. Now those same fanatics just killed him. Sometimes you get burnt when you play with fire.

  3. Be Rational

    This is a good response.

    Not only must the US stop interfering in the affairs of other nations around the globe, we should assess the tension levels and danger and immediately close our Embassies and Consulates and bring our diplomats home from locations that are not secure.

  4. Root's Teeth Are Awesome

    Johnson: We launched millions of dollars worth of missiles to bring down Gaddafi, and this is what we get.

    Huh?

    Is Johnson saying the Libyan people should be grateful that we launched missiles at them?

    When you attack a country, innocent civilian are killed, even if you call it “liberation.”

    The U.S. government “liberates” foreign nations for its own benefit, murdering civilians in the process [i.e. “collateral damage”], and then expects them to be grateful for it.

    Johnson is offering a typical rightist spin on non-intervention, i.e., American military attacks are bad because America is the chief victim.

    That might be a “safe sell” to the American public, but it’s shameful nonetheless.

  5. Be Rational

    @4 You are putting your own spin on Johnson’s words, not his.

    You take “this is what we get” to be a lament that the Lybian people weren’t grateful.

    I take this as a straight forward statement of what we did and what happened. Others might take “this is what we get” to mean that it was an expected result. Still others might take it to mean that the result was somehow deserved.

    As you might say to the man in prison for bank robbery … “You hold up a bank with a dangerous weapon, and this is what you get.”

  6. Oranje Mike

    @4, I don’t think this response was intended for the Gary Johnson voter or libertarians. It was a simple “common sense” remark for the general voter.

  7. ATBAFT

    Killing a diplomat is not necessarily an act of war. Suppose some gang of thugs jumps the ambassador of Indonesia and kills him in a mugging on the streets of D.C. That isn’t an act of war unless the government of the U.S. was involved. Indonesia should expect an investigation and arrests, but the killing is not an act of war. I heard two evangelical Christians the other night (who have professed God and Christ’s teachings to guide the U.S. government) competing with each other over how many tons of bombs needed to be rained on Libya and Egypt over this outrage. Reason and common sense are the first casualty of war-mongering.

  8. JD

    Not to butt in on a libertarian discussion but the people engaging in the assaults on the embassy are committing an act of war. That is American soil and our flag has been torn down. We actually went to war in Libya once before with the catalyst being the desecration of the American flag at the embassy in Tripoli. That was the direct catalyst but not the underlying reason. I just wanted to clarify that these were indeed acts of war.

    As for what we should do. We should be to proud to fight, for once. We lost 4 lives last I checked and while we may call for vengeance or justice it is not ours to call for. Vengeance is the sole responsibility of the almighty and we as Americans are only stewards of a small portion of his creation. The middle east is a lost cause and always will be. The only muslim relationships we should be worried about are those that take place in this country. We can best help the Arab world by being a safe haven for those that truely mean us no harm and want to live like civilized beings in our country.

    America actually has a very high degree of tolerance towards muslims compared to much of the western world and it should stay that way. We have tried loving the arab world straight, we have tried to discipline and punish them into shape. All of those have failed. Now we must try tough love. We have to cut them off completely. We must remove ourselves from them and their affliction until they are ready for help. When they are ready we will welcome them with open and loving arms on our own terms and in our own land but never again must we go to them in anger or in love.

  9. Thomas L. Knapp

    JD,

    Within the context of the Westphalian nation-state, “act of war” implies that the actors are agents of, and acting on behalf of, such a state. Individuals who are not so acting are, within that implication, mere criminals, and their actions mere crimes.

    Granted, that understanding has been disintegrating over the last few decades (for the very good reason that the Westphalian nation-state paradigm itself is disintegrating), but permitting the state to break its own rules is a gateway to all kinds of fuckery (see “undeclared, illegal ‘war’ on ‘terror’).

  10. Thane Eichenauer

    “We launched millions of dollars worth of missiles to bring down Gaddafi, and this is what we get.”

    I find this to be a weak statement for a Libertarian candidate to take.

  11. JD

    Understood Thomas but there is historical precident that shows the embassy events to be an act of war. Formal definitions aside. The states where our embassies are resident are responsible for the external security of the consular enclaves. The states have done minimal security at best and in some cases may have purposefully done nothing. They are complicit and liable. So even going by formal narrow definitions it is an act of war.

    Regardless of that there is no reason for this to begin any military response, from the U.S., at all. I have never been a fan of any war. In truth I find it to be below us and any civilized nation. That is, of course, if we are a civilized nation.

    #10, very strange statement from Johnson. It is a weak argument and it is also backwards or reactionary statement. He sounds like the pseudo-war was a good thing in his opinion. I dont think he meant that but it does read that way.

  12. LibertarianGirl

    hes saying the gov said we needed to help out in libya , it was in our interest, so we launched several missles and this is what we got…….dont misconstrue –he aint saying launching missles was good or right , hes saying it was futile and not our job………..and he aint blaming the victim and yes specific people are rsponsible but so too are the ones responsible for putting our own in harms way…….

    post one says attacking embassys is an act of war….um so is murdering innocent people , occupying others countries , itstalling and defeating regimes to suit yourself , drone trikes , etc etc…….lets get the fuck out of everyone elses backyard

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