April 1st Open Thread 2019

Share your April 1st News – real and fake – in the comments here. I’ll start….

This Is Vermin Supreme Trailer Release!

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Monday, April 1, 2019 at 8 PM – 8:03 PM EDT

This Is Vermin Supreme Trailer Release!

YouTube’s algorithms respond to multiple views in a single time-frame. If you want your ponies, you need to get yourself ready to watch this thing, April Fools day. 8pm. Get your popcorn. The greatest 2 and a half minutes of cinema you will see all year! Featuring the music of @Dave Tree and See This World!

FROM THE DESK OF PRODUCER/ PUBLICIST NATHAN OLIVER:
Trailer for new Vermin Supreme doc ‘This is Vermin Supreme’ drops on April Fool’s Day!

And

ROM THE DESK OF PRODUCER/ PUBLICIST Nathan Oliver: Trailer for new Vermin Supreme doc ‘This is Vermin Supreme’ drops on April Fool’s Day!

Boston, MA
Release: April 1st 2019

Perennial presidential Candidate and performance artist Vermin Supreme runs for President of the United States during the 2016 election in the new trailer for Rod Webber’s “This is Vermin Supreme”, playing both participant and spectator to the political divide festering in America. Webber is known for his documentaries, “Flowers For Peace” and “War of North Dakota”.

Matt Taibbi from Rolling Stone describes Vermin Supreme as “The most unelectable politician to ever run for president of the United States, and I mean that as a compliment.” This new documentary aims to show the world why.

Filmed over the course of the 2016 campaign, Rod and Vermin run up against every major candidate in the running for America’s highest office, taking them from the riots at the RNC all the way to the riots of Donald Trump’s inauguration.

As described by Chris Faraone from Boston Dig, ‘This is Vermin Supreme “shows politics through [the] lens of a kaleidoscopic clown car.”

The high-energy trailer, launching on the most appropriate holiday for the occasion – April Fool’s Day – is brimming with high political tension and ferocious humor wrapped in a rough-around-the-edges punk rock aesthetic.

You can check out the trailer for Rod Webber’s “This is Vermin Supreme” at https://youtu.be/5UBHIJdNE64

WARNING: This trailer is definitely NSFW

“This is Vermin Supreme” will be available soon. For more information, contact NOProductions, LLC at the information below.

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Contact: Nathan Oliver re. Vermin Supreme
Company: NOProductions, LLC
Address: 1486 Broadway, South Portland Maine

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4/1 Money Bomb 4 Vermin Supreme 2020

82 thoughts on “April 1st Open Thread 2019

  1. paulie Post author

    http://www.freeponyexpress.com/i-pony-review-by-knapp/

    I’ve read many campaign books. Hell, I’ve written parts of several and helped edit others. I’ve never read anything like i PONY and I never want to again. I saw a snail crawling on the edge of a straight razor and I thought to myself “lucky you.”

    The fuck? What rotten satanic admixture of chemical cranial stimulation could have set this rough beast slouching toward Washington, DC in a secondhand Ron Paul RevoLOVEolution airship?

    Not LSD. Acid is an old friend of mine and I know it wouldn’t, couldn’t ever do this to a human mind trusted to its kind embrace.
    Methamphetamine? The emphasis on dental hygiene could be interpreted as a hint either way.

    My money’s on bath salts and bathtub gin. The zombies are the true tell here.

    Ponynomics. Pony porn. Time travel. Pony porn, Zombies harnessed one of the the world’s two sources of renewable energy (pony poop is the other). Pony porn. Row upon row of cloned brains in jars attended to by Canadian POWs. !!!OMG ZOMBIE KING KONG!!! Did I mention pony porn?

    I tried to maintain my grip on reality through this Tarrant(ino)esque hell-ride into the futurepastpresent, but severe dental woes and PTSD from a tragic childhood incident with a wild Shetland made me unfit for the task. I longed for the sweet sound of fingernails on a chalkboard within moments of cracking the cover, which should be made of human skin like Lovecraft’s Necronomicon as a warning to the wise.

    Maybe I’m being too hard on i PONY. It’s a story of family. It’s a story of love. It’s a story of erotic pony fantasy and flying monkeys and plots and sub-plots that treat the arrow of time like a Candyland spinner set to always land on brown.

    The future is here. Or was. Or will be. Or all three. And it’s the Earth balanced on a toothbrush, balanced on a boot, mounted (very erotically) on a pony. Beneath the pony? Ponies all the way down, baby, ponies all the way down.

    Can Vermin Supreme become president?

    SHOULD Vermin Supreme become president?

    My jerking knee screeches NO to both questions, but my scorched brain reminds me that all those other candidates are just … well … crazy.

    Besides, he probably already has several times.

    I’m going to retreat to a small room and scream for a little while now.

  2. William T. Forrest

    https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/infowars-host-alex-jones-blames-115415949.html

    Infowars host Alex Jones admits Sandy Hook killings were real, blames ‘psychosis’ for his conspiracy claims

    “”And I, myself, have almost had like a form of psychosis back in the past where I basically thought everything was staged, even though I’m now learning a lot of times things aren’t staged,” Jones says.

    Jones also noted that the “trauma” of the media “lying so much” has caused him to distrust everything.

    At one point, he said that as the story “matured he has had a chance to believe that children died” at Sandy Hook, but add there are “still real anomalies in the attempt to basically keep it blacked out that generally, when you see that in government, something is being covered up.

    Jones also tried to explain his bent toward conspiracies by saying he grew up in a small town in Texas where he would “watch the police deal drugs and then conduct anti-drug programs in the school.”

    “I was very anti-police until I grew up and learned more things, and now i’m pretty much pro police,” he said. “So it’s been a process.”

    “So long before these lawsuits I said that in the past I thought everything was a conspiracy and I would kind of get into that mass group-think of the communities that were out there saying that,” Jones said. “And so now I see that it’s more in the middle. All right? So that’s where I stand.”

    It was not the first time that the Austin-based Jones had to explain his online persona in a legal setting.

    In a court battle with his ex-wife in 2017, in which he lost custody of his children, Jones’s lawyer explained his online ranting was not real.

    “He’s playing a character,” attorney Randall Wilhite said during a pretrial hearing. “He is a performance artist.”

    In an odd twist, though, even during the 10-day trial, in which he lost custody of his children, Jones would tell his online audience, “I am completely real and everybody knows it.”

    His wife, Kelly Jones, however, has described him as out of control, according to the Austin American-Statesman. “He’s not a stable person,” she has said, according to the Statesman. “He broadcasts from home. The children are there, watching him broadcast.”

    Among other claims, Jones has suggested that Hillary Clinton was running a pedophile ring out of a Washington D.C., pizza restaurant and has argued that a yogurt company, in hiring refugees, has brought “migrant rapists” and tuberculosis to areas near the factories.

    In 2015, then-presidential candidate Donald Trump appeared on the InfoWars show to praise Jones, saying, “Your reputation is amazing. I will not let you down.”

    In December, former Trump campaign adviser Roger Stone, who has hosted a show on InfoWars, settled a $100 million lawsuit accusing him of publishing lies on the program.”

  3. paulie Post author

    I haven’t decided whether to keep this as the regular April open thread now that it’s no longer the 1st. I guess I will if I don’t run into a good reason to make a new one, but if someone else does make a new one it won’t be a big deal either.

  4. paulie Post author

    On FB I saw that Vermin Supreme hit his money bomb goal on April 1. I don’t remember seeing how much that was.

  5. Jim

    A while back someone here asked if the increase in LP vote percentages we had been seeing between 2010 and 2016 was due to running more one-on-one races.

    I finally got around to pulling out the elections that were one on one and L v R v D with no one else on the ballot. I did that for state legislature and US House because there is a ton of data for those elections which I needed for something else.

    And the answer, after I put it on charts and drew a trend line is…

    For state legislature there was no trend in the frequency of L v R v D. The trend line between 1998 and 2018 is perfectly flat at 55%. There was an increase in the trend line for one-on-one elections, with the trend line rising from about 27% to 34%. And there was also a decline in the number of other options on the ballot (candidates other than L, R, and D) from around 10% to 6%. The remainder is elections I didn’t look at, which include write in candidates, cross endorsed candidates, and multi-member districts.

    So just in terms of who is running (more one on one races, fewer 3rd parties running) that would help the LP’s numbers.

    But the opposite is true for US House. There was a slight increase in the trend for US House in L v R v D races, from 48% to 51%. There was also an increase in the number of other options on the ballot, from 40% to 44%. Which means there was actually a decline in the frequency of one-on-one races from 11% to 4%.

    The LP had better election results for both state legislature and US House, but that explains why there was a greater gain in the state legislature results.

    In L v R v D elections, there was a modest increase in the election result for L candidates. For state legislature the typical L result rose from about 3% in 2004 to nearly 5% in 2016. And for US House it rose from 2% to 4.5%. A modest gain, but noticeable. All of that was wiped out in 2018.

    In one-on-one elections for state legislature, the trend line rises from about 14% in 1998 to 19% in 2018. For US House it rose more dramatically, from 12% to 21%. There was no drop in performance in one-on-one races in 2018.

    And the reason I needed to use state legislature and US House was because I needed a large population to draw from. Because someone on another forum (who claimed to be a Libertarian and a friend of James Weeks) insisted that few people actually vote for Libertarians. They said it was almost entirely protest votes and that was why the L candidate’s vote totals were cut in half when another 3rd party option was on the ballot. They said there were studies demonstrating this.

    So if you’ve ever wondered how much the Libertarian vote changes when the election is L v R v D v Green relative to just L v R v D, wonder no more. But the short version is, we lose more to right wing parties like the Constitution and Conservative parties than we do to left wing parties like the Greens and anything with Socialist in its name. As far as I can tell, that is because the socialists are less likely to vote for us as a protest vote in the first place (so we don’t lose quite as much when they are on the ballot) and the Republicans have a preference for right wing parties like the Constitution Party over the Libertarian Party.

    Anyway, that’s all here: https://i.imgur.com/MIQxQPz.png

    I just realized that I forgot to draw the trend lines on chart showing the frequency of opposition, but I’m not re-uploading it until 2021, so you’ll have to just go by my description of them above.

  6. paulie Post author

    to
    Freedom Hub Working Group
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    Without fanfare Congress created a commission to restore the draft – for not only interventions overseas but also for women AND for national “service”. If you want to help young people, don’t coerce them; hire them!

    Paul has run hundreds of petition drives since getting Dr. Ron Paul on the presidential ballot in 1988 – mainly for Term Limits, but also for Taxpayer Bill of Rights, eminent domain limits, and stopping Red Light Cameras.

    Register bit.ly/FREEDOMHUBWORKINGGROUP

  7. George Phillies

    Former Libertarian VP Candidate Weld has now formally launched his campaign to be the next Republican Presidential nominee. He faces Donald Trump.

  8. robert capozzi

    fwiw, when I’ve heard AG Barr discussed, he’s referred to as “Bob” perhaps 1/3 of the time on news and podcasts I listen to. Funny.

  9. dL

    fwiw, when I’ve heard AG Barr discussed, he’s referred to as “Bob” perhaps 1/3 of the time on news and podcasts I listen to. Funny.

    That’s his name What’s so funny? He was also H.W Bush’s AG, so he was around before anyone had heard of the Georgia Dixiecrat.

  10. paulie Post author

    His name is William, which is usually shortened to Bill, not Bob. Bob is usually short for Robert. I’ve not noticed many news shows mistakenly call Bill Barr “Bob.” Are you watching Faux or something?

  11. robert capozzi

    pf,

    Morning Joe, Scott Adams, and Reason podcasts, and the Sunday panels are my standard fare lately. It’s interesting that Bob Barr’s brand seems imprinted, causing many tongues to slip when discussing Bill Barr.

  12. paulie Post author

    That’s possible. Or it may also have something to do with Bob Mueller. Dunno. I was listening to Morning Joe for part of this morning and did not catch them slipping up on that.

  13. Freeman

    I’ve heard “Bob Barr” slips in too, but on some other than the above mentioned mainstream sources.

  14. Jared

    Freeman: “I’ve heard ‘Bob Barr’ slips in too, but on some other than the above mentioned mainstream sources.”

    Chris Cuomo of CNN slipped up and referred to him as “Bob Barr” on his radio show, but later caught that he had inadvertently referenced a former Congressman from Georgia.

  15. George Phillies

    Libertarian Presidential Campaign Financing

    Funds raised and spent Q1 2019

    RUFF, KIMBERLY MARGARET LIBERTARIAN PARTY $5,885.98 $366.61
    KOKESH, ADAM LIBERTARIAN PARTY $1,384.73 $1,011.77
    BEHRMAN, DAN TAXATION IS THEFT LIBERTARIAN PARTY $736.82 $736.82
    BERRY, JOEY LIBERTARIAN PARTY $0.00 $0.00
    RICHEY, STEVEN ALLEN LIBERTARIAN PARTY 0 0

  16. George Phillies

    Our leading Presidential candidate at this point. (Yes, there are several Republican anti-abortionist daughter-killers who are rumored to be entering the race.)

  17. Florida Man Larry

    Sam Adams is running for Congress in Florida as a Libertarian on a position of “Zero Tolerance” for illegal immigration and describing gender identity as “an individual mental health issue” among other things.

    From his website:
    https://adams2020.org/

    Zero Tolerance
    Those aliens of foreign nations who refuse to follow the improved immigration and mutual citizen processes would be more severly punished with unrestricted detention and deportation. It is paramount that America maintains a high standard of security and toughness at our borders in regards to illegal immigration in order to protect our infrastructure and our citizens. “Dreamers” and “Anchor Immigrants” would need to follow the same processes as any other immigrant without exception or be faced with the same punitive measures.

    Gender Identity
    Gender identity is an individual mental health issue that should not need any additional federal or state protections. It is a private matter and those individuals who make it a public matter have to deal with the reaction or consequence of employers or other individuals unalienable rights when presented with that information.

  18. Florida Man Larry

    George,

    Vermin Supreme had a successful fundraiser on 4/1 which would not appear on Q1 reports. My best guess is that he has raised more than Ruff, making Vermin Supreme, somehow, the leading Presidential candidate at this point.

  19. robert capozzi

    FML,

    A party committed to NAPism deserves Vermin. The side benefit is 2020 would offer ashast onlookers much comic relief. Perhaps Vermin would trigger an entire rethink of an L political approach.

  20. Eric Sundwall

    Vermin Supreme is a brilliant satirist who has run as a Democrat & Republican. His opportunism is devoted to entertainment, unlike Bill Weld. According to RC logic, a party devoted to debt deserves VS, a party committed to perpetual illegal foreign occupation deserves VS.

    Ever since Milstead got gob-smacked like an insolent puppy in Oregon in 2006, RC has been crying in his spilled milk about his fictional apparition. The success of the LP and its ballot access pursuits attracts all the fringe characters, high and low. The “glue” of that success is a simple principle that promotes the most humane practice of politics conceived in the last 50 years. That success is real.

    I’d call Warren (or paulie) and belly-ache about the Milnes-esque effect that RC is producing on the IPR website, but don’t really want to burden friends with such an inane and go nowhere concern. It’s sad, pathetic, tiresome and frightening that RC can be considered of any value in the general discussion.

    Help end the reign of OCD terror that is RC’s low grade witch hunt of the anecdotal Montauk NAP-ist Monster. Unfortunately calling him out, refuting or ignoring only feeds the troll.

    Third parties in the American system are consigned to meaningful protest (hopefully) until the single plurality district is abolished. It’s that simple. I’ll check back in October . . . ugh.

  21. dL

    Vermin Supreme is a brilliant satirist who has run as a Democrat & Republican. His opportunism is devoted to entertainment, unlike Bill Weld.

    Yes, Vermin is deliberate satire. Weld is unintentional satire. If Vermin is on a ballot in NH, Weld will be in a battle to beat the guy wearing a boot on his head.

  22. robert capozzi

    ES,

    So sorry you feel that way. Montauk? (I’ve visited there, but your reference goes over my head).

    As for the NAP glue, for me the 50-year ballot access accomplishment strikes me as largely inconsequential. You seem to find it impressive, and that’s OK with me that we differ on the matter. First-past-the-post elections are certainly a challenge, though I believe it’s not an insurmountable one. NAPism, however, is an electorally insurmountable obstacle to relevance.

    Vermin’s ideology over time is beside the point for me. He’s amusing to me. The declared NAPist candidates are not amusing, except in their simplistic adherence to the One Commandment. I’ve seen that movie before, and Bergland’s vote totals demonstrate the untenable nature of dogmatic NAPism in the ballot box.

    You seem to be watching an entirely different movie, one that very few seem to find compelling.

  23. dL

    I’ve seen that movie before

    And we’ve seen your movie before, too. Same exact shitty box office results. And since you just pooh-pooh’d ballot access, which would be the only reason to go with the b-lister has been sequel, you might as go with the obscure independent film with some artistic integrity.

  24. robert capozzi

    NF,

    Water off a duck’s back. ES, apparently panicked, cannot justify NAPism as a plausible basis for political action, so he goes low. I’ve seen that movie, too. A most exhausting rabbit hole, I tell you!

  25. Gina

    Gotta hand it to those 70-something white dudes, proving that they can still “do it” and totally dominating the bipartisan presidential nomination process. Biden has been bidin’ his time, but now the chief architect of the RAVE act and civil asset forfeiture is set to announce that he will toss his Victorian era hat into the ring (hey, it was new when he bought it) to wrestle Mr. Trump and the Ragin’ Socialist in the Wrestlemania senior citizens division. Nuclear launch codes complimentary with championship belt.

  26. Gina

    She’s not one of the leading candidates. As a matter of fact my sense is she is not even the leading female candidate (that’s most likely Kamala Harris) or the leading New Englander or progressive (Sanders). But despite all the diversity on age, gender, race/ethnicity/religion and what have you among the Democratic pack, their two leading candidates at the moment seem to be Biden and Sanders – two white males in their 70s, just like Trump.

    That may just be a coincidence, but it may not be. It still remains true that every president has been a man, even though Hillary Clinton won the popular vote. Aside from her, every runner up has also been a man. Every vice president has been a man, and almost every VP runner up has been a man. There’s been one Catholic and one half-black president in 220 plus years. The VPs, runners up and VP runners up have not been all that diverse either. Those are facts.

  27. robert capozzi

    G,

    The history you recite is factual. Whether the white-male pattern will be stuck to this round is an open question. I’d suggest that the prospect of Biden and Bernie’s polling remaining at the top of the especially large heap over the next year seems possible, but I suspect it’s mostly just name ID at this point. All the Ds seem pretty anti-liberty and -peace to me, with glimmers of SOME positivity coming from Gabbard (a long shot) and Mayor Pete (who strikes me as at least intelligent, despite some unpeaceful positions).

    I’d like to see Trump out, although he’s been not as damaging as I feared, aside from his immigration stance, where he’s pretty much doing what he said he would. The prospect of President Harris gives me no warm-and-fuzzies, although I would like to see the glass ceiling shattered.

    I hope I can vote for Amash.

  28. Jared

    I would vote for Amash in a heartbeat if he were the LP nominee. For one, he is actually a libertarian acquainted with libertarian philosophy. He is a Palestinian Arab, so progressives couldn’t pull the “white privilege” card. As an Orthodox Christian, he isn’t faced with overcoming the right’s aversion to Muslim candidates and atheists or the left’s aversion to Evangelicals. Yes, he is formally a Republican, though hardly well liked by the GOP establishment as neither a neocon nor a Trumpist, and he is a sitting member of Congress rather than a washed up politician desperate to get back in the game. Amash clearly takes his legislative role seriously, explaining each of his votes to his constituents, and his character is (as far as I can tell) unimpeachable.

    That being said, Congressmen have an abysmal record of getting themselves elected President, and I would hate to lose the only libertarian member of the House. Trump’s approval ratings among Republicans remain steadfast, so I doubt Amash could pull significant GOP support. I would prefer he wait until the presidency is vacant so he isn’t caught between a right-wing populist incumbent’s personality cult and a left-wing opposition party that would sell its children to see him ousted from office.

  29. dL

    He is a Palestinian Arab, so progressives couldn’t pull the “white privilege” card. As an Orthodox Christian, he isn’t faced with overcoming the right’s aversion to Muslim candidates and atheists or the left’s aversion to Evangelicals.

    If you are so concerned with identity politics, I would point out that nominating a pro-lifer who thinks abortion ought to be outlawed even in the cases of rape won’t help with the “libertarianism is the tool of the patriarchy” crowd.

  30. Jim

    Harris’ campaign will end soon after one of her opponents brings up in a debate that, as Attorney General, she supported a law that sent parents to prison if their kids skipped school. She isn’t even denying it, just claiming that it was an unfortunate, unintended consequence. That level of stupidity is fatal for a Presidential campaign when there are so many other options.

    Warren will soon be the leading female candidate, if she isn’t already.

  31. paulie Post author

    Warren overlaps too much with Sanders regionally and ideologically and her exaggerations of Native ancestry will keep coming back and biting her. I don’t know that any one issue in a debate will do much of anything to any of the candidates. The biggest factors will probably be money and organization, then gaffes.

  32. robert capozzi

    J,

    Apparently, odds are high that JA will be redistricted out of a job. So, at 40, he finishes his congressional tenure as a prez candidate, raising his national profile. Hopefully and based on what I’ve seen so far, he’s 3x as articulate as GJ, and not nearly as gaffe prone.

    If the stars align, he gets in the debates against a lying bully and a socialist. Could he win? Unlikely. Could he change the conversation like, say, Bernie did in 16. Possibly. Bernie arguably put socialism back on the table in an explicit way.

    Most likely, he loses with style and a lot of people saying things like, “I don’t agree with everything he’s for, but I like him and admire him.”

  33. robert capozzi

    With Seth Moulton joining the D scrum, should Ls support him in solidarity with Chuck? 😉

  34. Chuck Moulton

    LOL. Nah, please don’t. I already get a lot of Twitter notifications because people think @moulton is him.

    If he becomes the frontrunner though maybe I’ll jump in for a Moulton vs. Moulton race.

  35. George Phillies

    Readers might look up mortality tables to find the limiting odds on Biden or Sanders being the D candidate, simply because they are, like, old.

    Speaking only for myself, the LP might run antiabortionist Amash, but that will be the end of my support of the Libertarian Party. That candidacy would demonstrate, after four such turkeys in a row, we are simply the party of Republican rejects.

  36. paulie Post author

    If you want to consider the fact that they are millionaires with the best medical care money can buy and have already lived well into their 70s their mortality chances are not that bad – it’s not the same as the average life expectancy at birth. It wasn’t even a major issue for Trump and most likely won’t be in 2020 either, even if the Democrats nominate someone younger, and especially if they don’t. There’s still an age when candidates would be considered too old. However, it now appears to be older than Trump, Biden and Sanders.

  37. robert capozzi

    GP,

    If the ballot is, say, Trump v. Harris v. Amash, who do you vote for?

    If it’s Trump v. Harris v. any NAPist, I stay home. I might vote for Vermin for the goof.

  38. Jared

    dL: “If you are so concerned with identity politics, I would point out that nominating a pro-lifer who thinks abortion ought to be outlawed even in the cases of rape won’t help with the ‘libertarianism is the tool of the patriarchy’ crowd.”

    You seem awfully keen on informing other people of their true concerns or lack of concern and exposing them as disingenuous. Do you have anything complimentary, constructive, or at least non-vitriolic to chime in with for a change? I made casual reference to basic polling realities as a matter of political analysis (my amateurish $0.02 worth). Self-reportedly, significant numbers of people are closed to the possibility of voting for any member of certain non-political demographics, period. If you took my comment to mean that I believe the LP should set principles aside and awkwardly pander to identitarians across the left-right spectrum, well, then I’m sorry I gave you that impression and that you felt the need to set me straight.

  39. Jared

    RC,

    Unfortunately, you raise a fair point about the possibility that he could be redistricted out of office after the 2020 census. Michigan may lose a Congressional seat, and regardless of the process by which the lines are redrawn, I doubt Democrats or Republicans would lose much sleep if Amash’s district were sacrificed.

  40. dL

    Do you have anything complimentary, constructive, or at least non-vitriolic to chime in with for a change?

    Oh, I think acerbic wit is a constructive message board response to the prospect of a 4th straight GOP carpetbagger.

  41. paulie Post author

    It sounds to me like Vermin Supreme is the one candidate both radical and moderate libertarians can unite around 🙂

  42. robert capozzi

    pf,

    Possibly, but I suspect most moderate Ls don’t share my warm feelings about VS. I find him funny. I also believe the LP needs a root canal, and a jokester like VS could jolt the NAPists out of their trance.

  43. paulie Post author

    I’ve found a number of moderate Ls like Vermin for various reasons. Not so much Vohra, Kokesh, Ruff et al.

  44. Freeman

    I consider myself a moderate libertarian and I’m thumbs up for Vermin. I’d like to see Hornberger run.

  45. George Phillies

    Paulie writes: “If you want to consider the fact that they are millionaires with the best medical care money can buy and have already lived well into their 70s their mortality chances are not that bad – it’s not the same as the average life expectancy at birth.”

    I was assuming people would use the mortality tables that apply to people who are currently, e.g., 76. Trump, of course, being visibly massively obese, on statins, non-exercising, and benefitting for a poor diet, is a good example of mortality table interest. Biden is simply much older.

  46. dL

    “If you want to consider the fact that they are millionaires with the best medical care money can buy and have already lived well into their 70s their mortality chances are not that bad – it’s not the same as the average life expectancy at birth.”

    Money won’t necessarily buy you good health, but it will buy you a cosmetically restored face(e.g, Biden). But you can get that a lot cheaper in Mexico.

  47. robert capozzi

    pf,

    Thanks. It’d be interesting whether moderates and non-NAPist Ls like VS for the goof like me, or if they actually think he’s a solid choice for prez.

  48. paulie Post author

    Thanks. It’d be interesting whether moderates and non-NAPist Ls like VS for the goof like me, or if they actually think he’s a solid choice for prez.

    Well, I doubt many moderate libertarians actually want the government giving out free ponies and making tooth brushing mandatory, but I could be wrong.

  49. robert capozzi

    pf,

    Yes, and interestingly, offering the absurb JUST MIGHT get people to wake up from their statist delusions. But it’s highly risky, because it could irreparably damage the L brand, which does have some equity, despite NAPist extremism and the residual RP1/alt right stench.

  50. paulie Post author

    Money won’t necessarily buy you good health

    No, but it improves your chances. I’ve spent enough time around various social strata to be very well personally and IRL acquainted with the difference it makes, on average, as one ages.

  51. paulie Post author

    I was assuming people would use the mortality tables that apply to people who are currently, e.g., 76. Trump, of course, being visibly massively obese, on statins, non-exercising, and benefitting for a poor diet, is a good example of mortality table interest. Biden is simply much older.

    A big deal is not being made of Trump’s age, and I don’t see one being made of Biden’s or Sanders’ either. There’s just not enough difference there. If it was just one leading candidate who is that old it would matter but the fact that there are several indicates the age horizon for acceptable candidates has shifted.

  52. paulie Post author

    highly risky, because it could irreparably damage the L brand,

    Anything we do can and does. Repeatedly running Republican rejects damages it in one way. Running boring, serious thin-resume extremists damages it in a different way. Maybe it’s time to try the street theater approach.

  53. Jim

    People like Ron Paul, Gary Johnson, and Bill Weld can attract people who are instinctively for limited government and can serve as a gateway drug for libertarianism. They may not all get there, and it can take some time even for those who do, but they at least provide leads for libertarians to work on.

    Vermin Supreme can only attract cynics and political nihilists. There is no reason to think that those people are any more instinctively inclined toward limited government than the general population and so those attracted to a Vermin Supreme campaign would have a much lower rate of conversion to libertarianism than Paul/Johnson/Weld.

    Worse, Vermin Supreme could damage libertarianism by permanently damaging the reputation of the LP among those who might have been open to it sometime in the future and by guaranteeing that the LP will never again be covered in any volume by the media.

  54. paulie Post author

    Vermin Supreme can only attract cynics and political nihilists.

    I like him. I’m not a nihilist. Admittedly, I have some cynicism about the political system. I think that’s a healthy impulse towards an unhealthy, absurd, petty, byzantine, thieving, murderous, torturous system.

    guaranteeing that the LP will never again be covered in any volume by the media.

    He seems to be pretty good at getting covered, actually.

  55. dL

    No, but it improves your chances. I’ve spent enough time around various social strata to be very well personally and IRL acquainted with the difference it makes, on average, as one ages.

    Diet and exercise are still the two most potent life extension tools. Money can’t buy you a guaranteed life extension. Not yet, at least. What it can buy you, however, is a better quality of life and a better cosmetic appearance. For example, hGH(which is quite expensive) will give you back your youthful blood serum levels and definitely help with the cosmetics of aging, but it won’t extend your life.

  56. paulie Post author

    It’s way, way more complicated than that. Suffice it to say I have a wide rage of anecdotal case studies which together add up to a pretty good sample. Rather than spend a lot of time figuring out why I’ll just say I’ve observed the difference. Up close and personal enough, enough times, to be able to tell it’s not only appearance alone.

  57. robert capozzi

    pf,

    I’ve a thought for VS’s running mate. Teller, of Penn and Teller. Teller’s the one who doesn’t speak.

    Supreme/Teller ’20.

  58. dL

    It’s way, way more complicated than that. Suffice it to say I have a wide rage of anecdotal case studies which together add up to a pretty good sample. Rather than spend a lot of time figuring out why I’ll just say I’ve observed the difference. Up close and personal enough, enough times, to be able to tell it’s not only appearance alone.

    What’s more complicated? Observed what sampled difference? You are being a bit oblique to what you are referring to.

  59. robert capozzi

    J: They may not all get there, and it can take some time even for those who do, but they at least provide leads for libertarians to work on.

    Me: I used to share this line of thinking, but I now see it as sub-optimal. Rather than maximizing the IDEOLOGY, I’d suggest that the goal should be to maximize peace and liberty. Most learn by demonstration, so if can be shown that more peace and more liberty improves life on earth, more will be attracted to ideas that advance the cause of peace and liberty.

    Rand and Rothbard embedded this ideology first, then results will follow approach into the LM. It sounded good at the time, but its religiosity and dogmatic feel has led to isolating Ls from the rest of society.

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