November 2019 Open Thread

Welcome to November, 2019. It’s too bad she won’t live; but then again, who does?

83 thoughts on “November 2019 Open Thread

  1. LibertyDave

    If you want a flying car, build yourself one.

    To find out how just do a google search for “DIY Manned Quad-copter”.

  2. dL Post author

    Where the hell are the flying cars? I was promised flying cars!

    Blade runner only promised the pigs would have spinners…

  3. dL Post author

    If you want a flying car, build yourself one.

    Those DIY copters look more like something HG Wells promised

  4. Gene Berkman

    Kentucky is holding elections for Governor and other state-wide Constitutional officers today.
    With almost 97% of precincts counted, the Democrat is leading incumbent Republican Governor Matt Bevin by less than the vote cast for Libertarian candidate John Hicks:
    Map Percent Candidate Party Votes Winner
    49.3% Andy Beshear Dem 689,162
    48.7% Matt Bevin* GOP 680,343
    2% John Hicks Libt 27,482
    96.6% of precincts reporting (3,533/3,659) *Incumbent
    1,396,987 total votes
    Louisville
    Lexington
    source:https://www.politico.com/election-results/2019/kentucky/

  5. Gene Berkman

    Politico is reporting that 100% of Precincts have been counted in the Kentucky election for Governor:
    Percent Candidate Party Votes Winner
    49.2% Andy Beshear Dem 711,955
    48.9% Matt Bevin* GOP 707,297
    2% John Hicks Libt 28,475

    With a result this close there will probably be a recount. With the current numbers, John Hicks received more than 6 times the difference between Bevin and Beshear.

    Congratulations to the Kentucky Libertarian Party for putting up statewide candidates and actually influencing the election for Governor.

  6. dL Post author

    Covered in red tape.

    Science fiction in the past simply made the mistake of overestimating the expansion in human mobility. As it turns out, the future is to better simulate the present and the past. There will be no martian colonies. But the video games will continue to get a lot better. I don’t know if you can simply chalk all that up to “the bureaucracy.”

    As I alluded to above, in Blade Runner, the flying cars–the spinners, as they were called–were licensed largely only to the police. I imagine something similar will play out here over the next 20 years or so. A very restricted licensing regime for commercial vertical takeoff and landing(VTOL) vehicles.

  7. Chuck Moulton

    We elected a lot of Libertarians to public office in PA this year. Full results will take a few weeks as the write-ins are counted. I’d estimate at least 25, at most 60 were elected Tuesday.

  8. Gene Berkman

    At Newsmax conservative journalist John Gizzi is blaming Libertarian candidate John Hicks for the
    Republican loss in the Kentucky Governor race.
    https://www.newsmax.com/john-gizzi/bevin-kentucky-beshear-libertarian/2019/11/06/id/940369/

    He correctly notes that Matt Bevin, the incumbent Republican lost by 5,333 votes, much less than the 28,436 cast for John Hicks, the Libertarian candidate. He fails to note that the Libertarian candidate for Auditor received 46,549 votes, and the Libertarian candidate for Commissioner of Agriculture received 44,584 votes. In both races the Republican candidate beat the Democrat by a substantial margin.

    Mr Gizzi makes a reference to the 2013 race for Governor of Virginia, in which Republican Ken Cuccinelli lost by less than the vote cast for the Libertarian candidate. He fails to note that in two other statewide races in Virginia that year – for Lt. Governor and Attorney-General – Democrats beat Republicans in two-way races, with no Libertarian candidate to “split the vote.”

  9. Root's Teeth Are Awesome

    One problem with flying cars is that accidents would be far more destructive. Imagine if everyone in Los Angeles had a flying car. The sky would be filled with a million cars flying over the city.

    Imagine the congestion — the “sky rage” as people zoom in and about, ignoring air traffic regulations. Imagine all the daily collisions. Only this time, when there’s a pile-up, the vehicles would come crashing down to earth.

  10. paulie

    Science fiction in the past simply made the mistake of overestimating the expansion in human mobility. As it turns out, the future is to better simulate the present and the past. There will be no martian colonies. But the video games will continue to get a lot better. I don’t know if you can simply chalk all that up to “the bureaucracy.”

    I think you are underestimating how much red tape has held back evolution.

  11. paulie

    Mr Gizzi makes a reference to the 2013 race for Governor of Virginia, in which Republican Ken Cuccinelli lost by less than the vote cast for the Libertarian candidate. He fails to note that in two other statewide races in Virginia that year – for Lt. Governor and Attorney-General – Democrats beat Republicans in two-way races, with no Libertarian candidate to “split the vote.”

    I’ve written extensively about the persistent falsehood that LP votes come primarily from Republicans or belong to Republicans.

  12. Gene Berkman

    If anybody has seen Sen Rand Paul calling for outing the identity of the Ukraine scandal whistleblower, and wants to let Sen. Paul know how repugnant this idea is to advocates of freedom, you can use the email
    form on his Senate website https://www.paul.senate.gov/connect/email-rand

    I sent a message about his succumbing to what Jean-Francois Revel calls the “Totalitarian Temptation.”
    I encourage others to share their thoughts.

  13. Gene Berkman

    Paulie – it is incontrovertible that many who vote Libertarian used to vote Republican. And many still vote split tickets, including Republican candidates. And it is clear that aside from getting votes from committed philosophical libertarian, disenchanted Republicans provide the next largest pool of potential Libertarian voters.

    That said, if someone votes Libertarian, they probably did not want to vote for the Republican anyway. And if someone votes against an Incumbent politician – like Gov. Matt Bevin – they made a deliberate choice, probably based on the incumbent’s record. In Kentucky, many who voted for Matt Bevin 4 years ago, voted Democrat this time, and others voted Libertarian. And many who voted Republican this year for other offices, voted Democrat for Governor to make sure Matt Bevin would be defeated.

    Disenchanted Republicans and former Republicans turned Independents are a growing part of the electorate, and the Libertarian Party has to get more votes from these people. I don’t see any other part of the electorate that can provide as many new votes for LP candidates.

  14. Starchild

    In San Francisco, the LPSF-backed progressive candidate for district attorney, Chesa Boudin, is neck-and-neck with the more establishment candidate currently serving as interim D.A. He was behind by only 240 votes out of over 100,000 cast, though I think the current gap has widened to 879 votes.

  15. dL Post author

    I think you are underestimating how much red tape has held back evolution.

    What’s the red tape on private space flights, orbiting hotels & planetary colonization?

  16. dL Post author

    One problem with flying cars is that accidents would be far more destructive. Imagine if everyone in Los Angeles had a flying car.

    They generally wouldn’t be flying in urban areas. That’s why flying cars are technically called vertical takeoff and landing(VTOL) vehicles. Still, they obviously wouldn’t not be “driven by humans” while inflight. And that’s part of the reason for the slow development. The infancy of driverless cars is enough of a problem right now.

  17. dL Post author

    Disenchanted Republicans and former Republicans turned Independents are a growing part of the electorate, and the Libertarian Party has to get more votes from these people. I don’t see any other part of the electorate that can provide as many new votes for LP candidates.

    Running candidates to the right of republicans on abortion in order to cow in the media about being a republican spoiler is pretty much my definition of losertarianism.

  18. dL Post author

    If anybody has seen Sen Rand Paul calling for outing the identity of the Ukraine scandal whistleblower, and wants to let Sen. Paul know how repugnant this idea is to advocates of freedom, you can use the email

    Gene, a republican is what a republican does. Why are you surprised that a partisan republican is acting like a partisan republican?

  19. dL Post author

    Why not?

    To avoid finding out Trent Reznor ripped The Downward Spiral from a dweeb blaring the Downward Spiral from his delorean?

  20. RiddleMeThis

    Don’t let those flying cars hit 88 MPH

    Why not?

    At 88 mph your DeLorean will take you …
    Back to the Future

  21. paulie

    LOL, OK. I would also suggest putting quotes, italics, or something around whatever you are responding to in order to keep conversations from getting confusing to the readers.

    Or like this

    X said:

    Y said:

    X replied:

    However you do it please don’t just put back and forth from yourself and others without distinguishing who said what.

  22. paulie

    What’s the red tape on private space flights, orbiting hotels & planetary colonization?

    Tons of it on every step of running a business doing research and development, logistics or anything else. A lot of it is not readily visible. Innovation suffers the most because it is more discretionary in a company’s budget.

  23. paulie

    James Ogle is a liar.

    We usually disallow anything by or about Ogle here, but I thought this was relevant enough to make an exception. If anyone besides Ogle wants to respond or follow up in any way, there’s a quarantined thread for that. Search for his name in the IPR search box if you feel the need.

  24. paulie

    it is incontrovertible that many who vote Libertarian used to vote Republican.

    And it’s incontravertible that many used to vote Democrat (myself included) or did not vote at all, or regardless of how they used to vote, would not vote Republican now. The actual opinion surveys of LP voters is that most would not vote at all without us on the ballot, and of the rest the split between D and R would be about even. This includes both pre election and exit polls in various states and races. Depending on the particular race our voters might break slightly D or slightly R in our absence, depending on the particular candidates (our as well as theirs) and the dynamics of the particular race. I’ve posted numbers and sources many times and don’t care to again. It’s in the archives.

    In the Sarvis race, his absence would have helped the Democrat, not the Republican, and not enough to affect the outcome either way. Republicans kept making a stink assuming the opposite but posted zero empirical evidence. I posted empirical evidence to the contrary in both articles and comments here. You’ll have to find the links yourself if you care enough to look it up. I have not studied the KY race enough to say but based on others I have it’s unlikely we made the difference in that one either. Whether it would have been a good thing or not if we had is a separate question.

    Disenchanted Republicans and former Republicans turned Independents are a growing part of the electorate, and the Libertarian Party has to get more votes from these people. I don’t see any other part of the electorate that can provide as many new votes for LP candidates.

    I disagree. I think former and would be Democrats, independents and non-voters are by far a better potential audience for reasons I have also explained extensively many times in the past and don’t care to repeat again. Again it’s in the archives in both articles and comments. At some point I lose patience for repeating myself and I have passed that point some time ago.

  25. paulie

    Running candidates to the right of republicans on abortion in order to cow in the media about being a republican spoiler is pretty much my definition of losertarianism.

    Agreed!

  26. paulie

    One problem with flying cars is that accidents would be far more destructive. Imagine if everyone in Los Angeles had a flying car.

    This is based on some erroneous assumptions. The first is that they would have to be driver operated, without any automated safeguards against crashing into each other, crashing into other things or crashing in general. I see no reason to assume that and tend to think the opposite would most likely be the case.

    Supposing however even that they would be solely driver/pilot operated, you must think that neither the government (through licensing) nor the free market (through insurance, torts or whatever means) could insure that pilots would be adequately trained in safety to prevent frequent crashes from being a regular thing, and at the same time that no technological fix on the machine end could be discovered. That seems like a failure of imagination.

  27. paulie

    And that’s part of the reason for the slow development. The infancy of driverless cars is enough of a problem right now.

    True, but why is technological development on this and many other fronts so far behind? Red tape plays a huge ways in many ways big and small, most of which are not readily apparent unless you think about it in some detail.

  28. dL Post author

    True, but why is technological development on this and many other fronts so far behind? Red tape plays a huge ways in many ways big and small, most of which are not readily apparent unless you think about it in some detail.

    Red tape is pat answer to why reality doesn’t match certain science fiction prognostications. Take driverless cars, for example. There’s a good reason why its not full speed ahead on that front. There is no consensus on whether or not these vehicles should be connected to the internet. Some manufactures want fully internet controlled/connected vehicles. Others do not. Internet controlled vehicles introduces an obvious security risk. Personally, I don’t everything should be on the internet and have no interest in absorbing the externalized security costs of making the internet safe(i.e, hack proof) for driverless vehicles

  29. George Phillies

    Our Libertarian Party had a Presidential candidate debate on Saturday November 2. There was a straw poll, people being asked who did best in the debate. Among LP members who were present, the outcome was

    LP Member percentages
    Kim Ruff 62%
    Jo Jorgenson 17%
    Adam Kokesh 11%
    Vermin Supreme 6%
    Ken Armstrong 4%
    Dan Behrman 0%

    Yes, Jo Jorgenson, our 1996 VP candidate, is back.

  30. paulie

    you can use the email
    form on his Senate website

    Or urinate into the face of a strong wind, with equal effectiveness. He has cast his lot with Trumpenfascism, and not out of ignorance. He wrote/spoke quite eloquently about what it was an is prior to the nomination. And lest anyone think he just “sold out” at that point, he had a very mixed record well before then, many parts of it detailed and discussed in these pages.

  31. C. Al Currier

    “Covered in red tape.”
    The government regulates the airspace. Always.
    In 1982 ‘Lawnchair-Larry’ got arrested by the Long Beach Police Dept. for flying a lawnchair.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawnchair_Larry_flight
    ———
    In the early 60’s I had a major run-in with the Pasadena Police Department who came out in force (with guns and handcuffs) at ‘Victory Park’ to make me take down a kite. They claimed it was interfering with the Pasadena Police helicopter, and I was violating regulated airspace. I had about 1200 feet of line extended, but I doubt that the kite exceeded the ‘sacred-height’ of 1000 feet.
    ——–
    In the 80’s I had a major run-in with FAA for flying over “restricted-air-space” of the Annenberg Estate.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunnylands
    Ronald Reagan came to visit Walter Annenberg. I left the airport early in the morning and the “restricticted-air-space” did not become active until after the control tower opened, which was after I already left. I was one of many pilots who ran afoul of the FAA and Ronald Reagan, who made frequent unannounced visits across the US with unannounced restrictions. On the same day of the “air-space” incident I came close to smacking ‘Marine-One” (unoccupied by the Prez)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_One
    which was flying the wrong way down a taxi-way. When you’re the government you don’t have to follow the rules but can simply enforce the rules to whatever and whenever you want.

  32. George Phillies

    To this we may add the list of candidates, ranked by how much money they have raised in the last two years.

    The percentages are the South Carolina votes. Some press sources are circulating truly bizarre dollar numbers that do not agree with FEC filings.

    Dan Behrman 0% $34,187.82
    Adam Kokesh 11% $24,809.84
    Vermin Supreme 6% $18,541.71
    Ken Armstrong 4% $13,198.49
    Kim Ruff 62% $5,885.98
    Jo Jorgenson 17% – just entered race

  33. Root's Teeth Are Awesome

    Paulie: Supposing however even that they would be solely driver/pilot operated, you must think that neither the government (through licensing) nor the free market (through insurance, torts or whatever means) could insure that pilots would be adequately trained in safety to prevent frequent crashes from being a regular thing, and at the same time that no technological fix on the machine end could be discovered.

    We have all that — licensing, insurance, torts, training, technology — to ensure the safe driving of cars — and yet, accidents still happen. Sometimes fatal.

    Similarly, I doubt that any fixes would prevent accidents among privately owned flying cars. The difference is, when flying cars do collide, or just have mechanical failures, the damages would be exponentially greater when those flying cars crash to earth.

  34. paulie

    We have all that — licensing, insurance, torts, training, technology — to ensure the safe driving of cars — and yet, accidents still happen. Sometimes fatal.

    They have become less frequent and less frequently fatal even though there are more cars spending more time on roads. This is due to technological advancement, which would be much more rapid without all the red tape holding it back.

    Similarly, I doubt that any fixes would prevent accidents among privately owned flying cars. The difference is, when flying cars do collide, or just have mechanical failures, the damages would be exponentially greater when those flying cars crash to earth.

    Yes, it would just be so rare as to make any such damage much less overall than what happens now.

  35. paulie

    Red tape is pat answer to why reality doesn’t match certain science fiction prognostications.

    It is the correct one.

    Personally, I don’t everything should be on the internet and have no interest in absorbing the externalized security costs of making the internet safe(i.e, hack proof) for driverless vehicles

    You’re missing a much, much larger picture. The advancement of technology without all the different ways it is bound in red tape can be so much more rapid as to render any concerns we have now with our present level of technology completely irrelevant. We’re already a major evolutionary leap behind where we should be currently.

  36. dL Post author

    We’re already a major evolutionary leap behind where we should be currently.

    Where should we be? Without government(i.e, organized violence), most of North America would still be mostly Indian tribes. Even if we were to assume your one evolutionary leap lag, things like solar system colonization and planetary terraforming are way beyond one leap.

    If you watch Blade Runner or Back to the Future, you ask: where are the flying cars? But if you watch, say, Star Trek, things like desktop computers and communicators–things that were hypothesized to be 23rd century tech–are already obsolete.

  37. paulie

    Where should we be? Without government(i.e, organized violence), most of North America would still be mostly Indian tribes.

    You are assuming a lot. Trade and migration would have happened even without conquest. Technology would have spread and been adopted although not quite in the same way as it did.

    ven if we were to assume your one evolutionary leap lag, things like solar system colonization and planetary terraforming are way beyond one leap.

    Not even close. I’m talking about a bigger leap than that. How much have you read about transhumanism, singularity, etc? Terraforming and space colonization are small potatoes in the bigger picture.

  38. Eric Sundwall

    When I I hit the railroad tracks fast enough on Rapp Rd. in the 2002 325xi it almost takes flight. Great beater.

    Recall a zogby poll i was in, circa 2006, “took” from both sides equally. 2.5% only 3 months officially in it. Now Sillybrand runs for potus . . . tisk tisk

    still . . . I’d rather be kicking about as a free anarchist upstate, then a dweedle on some board, panel, commission or committee.

    I do drive safer when nor wearing a seat belt or not have inspection.

    Patsy beat Peter, but there was like one LP candidate in a 100 mile range. Bunch of fusion messes not worth discussing . . . Gloversville

  39. dL Post author

    You are assuming a lot. Trade and migration would have happened even without conquest.

    And you assume trade and migration automatically implies technological progress. Trade and migration, yes. But no transcontinental railroad. At least not one built anywhere near the timeframe it was actually constructed.

    How much have you read about transhumanism, singularity, etc? Terraforming and space colonization are small potatoes in the bigger picture.

    Enough. lol. The singularity is AI and transhumanism is a philosophical embrace of human enhancement with AI. The future prospect of an AI explosion is the thing that is small potatoes compared to terraforming other planets.

  40. Jim

    George Phillies “To this we may add the list of candidates, ranked by how much money they have raised in the last two years. The percentages are the South Carolina votes. Some press sources are circulating truly bizarre dollar numbers that do not agree with FEC filings.
    Dan Behrman 0% $34,187.82
    Adam Kokesh 11% $24,809.84
    Vermin Supreme 6% $18,541.71
    Ken Armstrong 4% $13,198.49
    Kim Ruff 62% $5,885.98
    Jo Jorgenson 17% – just entered race”

    That is how much they raised since January 1, 2019. The FEC 2 year cycle is for 2019 and 2020. Kokesh began raising money in December 2017 and raised a lot in 2018. He also has basically matched contributions from others. If you include the 2017-2018 two year cycle, Kokesh’s campaign total is $202,871.

    All of the other candidates started in 2019, so that doesn’t effect anyone except Kokesh.

    Measured from the start of their campaigns, minus personal contributions and loans (in other words, individual contributions from other people):

    $100,515 Adam Kokesh
    $16,442 Vermin Supreme
    $11,313 Ken Armstrong
    $7,767 Dan Behrman
    $4,836 Kim Ruff
    $0 Jo Jorgenson

  41. paulie

    And you assume trade and migration automatically implies technological progress.

    I mostly meant the other way around. That is, technology developed in Europe or Asia would have spread to America. It’s likely that European, Asian and eventually African population would have as well, even if it hadn’t been as conquerors and slaves. However, what you are claiming here as my assumption, even though it wasn’t, is also correct: trade and migration helps the pace of technological progress because it helps wealth, investment, availability of human capitals and the spread and mixing of ideas.

    But no transcontinental railroad. At least not one built anywhere near the timeframe it was actually constructed.

    It might have happened even faster.

    The future prospect of an AI explosion is the thing that is small potatoes compared to terraforming other planets.

    We’ll have to disagree about that, although they are connected.

  42. dL Post author

    I mostly meant the other way around.

    Well, that’s obviously not true. Stalinist Russia, Nazi Germany and Maoist China all made technological progress w/o trade and migration. That is to say, technological progress is not a sufficient condition to show trade and migration.

    It might have happened even faster.

    Again, clearly not true. The government granted millions of acres of land to railroad companies that belonged to various indian tribes. AFAIK, the Pawnee were the only tribe that cooperated w/ the railroad construction. It’s why the military was brought in. The transcontinental railroad is certainly a part of the American history of indian conquest.

  43. paulie

    Stalinist Russia, Nazi Germany and Maoist China all made technological progress w/o trade and migration.

    They did not. They had trade and migration, just not as much as they could or should have. They benefited in their technological development from the former and were hurt in it by the latter. They had access to scientific and technological knowledge as it developed. Absent conquest, Indian nations would have as well.

    That is to say, technological progress is not a sufficient condition to show trade and migration.

    I never claimed or implied it was. What I said was that with trade, migration, and absence of red tape it happens faster. I also said that thanks to trade and migration technology would have spread to the “new world” even without conquest. There is no reason to believe Native Americans would be living now as they had 500-some years ago even if they had remained a majority in the Americas.

    Again, clearly not true. The government granted millions of acres of land to railroad companies that belonged to various indian tribes. AFAIK, the Pawnee were the only tribe that cooperated w/ the railroad construction. It’s why the military was brought in. The transcontinental railroad is certainly a part of the American history of indian conquest.

    I realize that’s how it happened. I don’t concede it’s the only way it could have happened. If the entire history of European-Native contact had been peaceful immigration and trade rather than conquest, robbery, rape, genocide and ethnic cleansing, things may have happened very differently, including Native opposition to transcontinental railroads perhaps.

  44. dL Post author

    They did not. They had trade and migration, just not as much as they could or should have.

    Surely, you are not claiming Stalinist Russia, Nazi Germany or Maoist China were relatively open societies. Perhaps we should more rigorously define “trade and migration.” By trade, I don’t mean comrade Stalin’s planned trade exchange with the DDR, and by migration, I do not mean Chairman’s Mao’s forced migrant relocations to the agricultural country-side. Those were closed societies where any “trade and migration” activities were conducted under the iron fist of central planning.

    I never claimed or implied it was. What I said was that with trade, migration, and absence of red tape it happens faster. I also said that thanks to trade and migration technology would have spread to the “new world” even without conquest.

    (a) I used the native Americans as a falsifying counter example to the general claim that technological progress necessarily follows open trade and migration. A 1000 tribes populated the North American continent for thousands of years. For them, the “new world” wasn’t so new. They freely practiced open trade and migration. However, the technology progress through the various native american archeological periods was uneven and very gradual.

    (b) I used the transcontinental railroad as a falsifying counter example to the specific claim that government intervention always throttles technological progress. If the transcontinental railroad could have built faster w/o government intervention, it would have been built w/o government intervention. The end objective was to connect the Atlantic to the Pacific as quickly as possible. It wasn’t to herd the plains indians onto reservations. That was a means to an end.

    I cite (a) and (b) above as a cautionary objection to the pat reference to gubmint to explain why reality hasn’t matched sci-fi projections. Government sometimes facilities technological progress; other times it throttles it. Hayek’s “planning for competition vs “planning against competition.” The more interesting question regarding State + technology is whose ends–in the end–end up being served The difference between utopia(mutually beneficial for everyone) and dystopia(benefits only the few at the expense of everyone else). Blade Runner had the flying cars. But it was a sci-fi dystopian flick, after all.

  45. paulie

    My apologies, I have been ill (asthma and bronchitis) and totally forgot to do the coverage this weekend. I had to move out of the poolhouse where I was staying and trying to work in Mississippi to my parents house in Alabama until I get better (I need to go back to Mississippi to complete a job there), following a brief hospitalization in Mississippi with asthma related issues. I had been off the computer for several days and just turned it back on now so I just realized I missed the meeting this weekend. If it’s on ustream I can attempt to do it after the fact.

    The computer is in fact having issues – sound doesn’t work and the battery and cord replacements have been ordered but not yet arrived – but I should be able to listen to the meeting on my phone and type on the computer. However, I am sleeping most of the time and honestly forgot. I’ve been keeping the computer off because I tend to be less stressed when it’s disconnected, which right now is any time it is not plugged in. My blood pressure was something like 183/113 even with medication when I went to the hospital, so I have been trying to reduce stress. While I’d like to say covering an LNC meeting is the only thing I neglected to do lately – actually, I have been neglecting other things such as working and showering. There was even one day when I forgot to eat, and that’s one thing I never forget to do.

    I feel bad, this is two in a row I have neglected to cover. The last one at least I had a state exec com which I had to attend instead. This one was just a screw up on my part. Oddly I had not missed any since I think 2007, and now I have missed two in a row. Then again the part of me that wants to walk away from politics in general has been getting louder in my head. There’s still a part of me resisting that but that part is feeling unusually weak, and more and more so. I’m not sure yet, but I may be about done.

  46. Chuck Moulton

    I was unable to cover it myself because the LNC has an annoying habbit of scheduling its fall meetings the same weekend as the frderalist society national lawyers convention, which I attend every year for my continuing legal education requirement.

    As far as I know they have ended ustream broadcasting and are now using YouTube. Hardly seems worth watching after the fact unless something really crazy happened there.

    I look forward to reading the minutes.

  47. George Phillies

    Technological progress in mesoamerica. From a very small population base, America’s first immigants worked up through hunter-gatherer culture to agriculture, plant and animal breeding, trade, and metal working, at the top end in a limited area bronze weapons, the invention of the zero for mathematics, sophisticated pre-telescopic astronomy, a written syllabic language in one area, and the ability to administer extremely large areas (the Andes).

  48. dL Post author

    I feel bad, this is two in a row I have neglected to cover.

    If you’re not getting paid to do it, you are under no obligation to feel bad about it.

    My blood pressure was something like 183/113

    L-arginine…a relatively inexpensive supplement. Of course, I have no idea how it might interact w/ medications. But that sucker will lower blood pressure and resting heart rate.

  49. paulie

    If you’re not getting paid to do it, you are under no obligation to feel bad about it.

    It’s a self imposed obligation, something I like doing and have done for dozens of times over the course of a dozen years and which people have come to expect me to do. I was also asked and said I expected I would do it if there were no computer problems. I did not anticipate that health and memory issues would be a problem instead. I wouldn’t feel as bad if it was not two in a row after a long perfect attendance streak, although the first one was for a more legitimate reason.

    L-arginine…a relatively inexpensive supplement. Of course, I have no idea how it might interact w/ medications. But that sucker will lower blood pressure and resting heart rate.

    Thanks, I’ll try to keep it in mind. I’m not currently in a position to get a ride to anywhere it’s sold but will try to remember it whenever I get someone else to ask for rides. Also not sure how long I’ll be here so I am not ordering anything for delivery.

  50. paulie

    Surely, you are not claiming Stalinist Russia, Nazi Germany or Maoist China were relatively open societies.

    Of course not.

    Perhaps we should more rigorously define “trade and migration.” By trade, I don’t mean comrade Stalin’s planned trade exchange with the DDR, and by migration, I do not mean Chairman’s Mao’s forced migrant relocations to the agricultural country-side. Those were closed societies where any “trade and migration” activities were conducted under the iron fist of central planning.

    I’ll rigorously define that their levels of actual trade, visitation, technological cross-fertilization and to a limited extent in and out migration were non-zero with countries outside their sphere of control. That is, despite being limited, they existed. Their technological development was not limited to discoveries made in their own countries. When scientific and technological advances took place in any part of the world, they benefited from them – not as much as they could have if they had actually been free and open societies, but far more than if they had been completely isolated.

    As bad as they were, all these countries had people working, studying and visiting other countries, people from other countries working, studying and visiting theirs, some degree of foreign trade and aid, and some limited degree of in and out migration alike. There was communication with those in other countries – by no means unfettered, but it existed.

  51. paulie

    I used the native Americans as a falsifying counter example to the general claim that technological progress necessarily follows open trade and migration. A 1000 tribes populated the North American continent for thousands of years. For them, the “new world” wasn’t so new. They freely practiced open trade and migration. However, the technology progress through the various native american archeological periods was uneven and very gradual.

    Many native societies did not in fact practice open trade and migration. They were relatively closed societies which relied heavily on their own group. Many had different property norms which did not contribute as well to technological development. However, they were not entirely closed to trade and migration either, and could have learned beneficially from the best of what Europeans and others had in a way other than conquest. They may have contributed more to the overall development of humanity under those circumstances as well had they not been genocided, enslaved, and beaten down to a great degree. Some Native cultures did have a great deal of technological development, so they were certainly capable of it.

  52. paulie

    I used the transcontinental railroad as a falsifying counter example to the specific claim that government intervention always throttles technological progress. If the transcontinental railroad could have built faster w/o government intervention, it would have been built w/o government intervention. The end objective was to connect the Atlantic to the Pacific as quickly as possible. It wasn’t to herd the plains indians onto reservations. That was a means to an end.

    It’s a separate issue. Natives were herded unto reservations in other parts of the US and the Americas as well. I don’t agree that there is no way that the railroad could have been built otherwise. For one thing Native tribes may have been much more open to cooperating if there had been a positive 300 something years of trade with Europeans preceding that, rather than the actual history of enslavement, forced conversion, ethnic cleansing and genocide. For another, absent the shackles of government, railroad technology may have developed quicker, or perhaps automobile or airplane technology would have developed even faster and beat the railroads to it.

  53. paulie

    I cite (a) and (b) above as a cautionary objection to the pat reference to gubmint to explain why reality hasn’t matched sci-fi projections. Government sometimes facilities technological progress; other times it throttles it.

    The ways it throttles far, far outweigh.

  54. dL Post author

    I don’t agree that there is no way that the railroad could have been built otherwise.

    I didn’t say it would never have been built under a policy of peaceful co-existence.. The question was would it have been built sooner w/o government intervention in the context of your general claim that government is a sufficient condition for slower technological progress.

  55. paulie

    I said it may have, due to faster technological progress unencumbered by red tape and extortion based resource misallocation. I also later qualified that development of automobile or air transportation may have jumped the queue.

  56. paulie

    John Phillips Jr. is with Erin Adams and 12 others.
    Yesterday at 9:57 AM ·

    Thoughts on the November 16th and 17th meeting in Miami.

    Let me start with the fact that a meeting that had the potential to be extremely challenging and contentious went far better than I was afraid of or expected. Thank you to my colleagues for that.

    Things of note.

    We passed a balanced budget for the second year in a row.

    We approved Apollo Pazell ‘s Frontier Project.

    We approved a big increase in staff time and resources for candidate and affiliate training and resources. Look for some announcements from Cara Schulz of upcoming training and recruitment.

    We passed a motion that greatly restricts the availability of funds raised by Convention ticket sales and other revenue in order to ensure funds are available pay convention bills in a timely manner.

    We are pursuing or helping pursue lawsuits related to ballot censorship and rights violations.

    We kept the CRM project funded, and more things are coming with that.

    We have a members only section of the website in development that will provide a large amount of information, training, and accessibility that we have not had institutionally before.

    Now to achieve that combination required a few sacrifices and some big commitments.

    A big donor agreed to fund a large part of of the Frontier Project.

    I and Joe Bishop-Henchman proposed a Give or Get goal for LNC members of $2000/year for LNC members and $1000/year for alternates (both split for election years in the event someone was not re-elected) to raise an additional $42,000 to cover the costs of some of this. For a variety of reasons, some very valid and reasonable, a few members and a member of the gallery objected to parts of this.

    Our chair, Nicholas J. Sarwark, volunteered to step up and take the burden of raising those funds ( in addition to the substantial amount he already committed to raising in the budget ) in order to overcome those objections. While I did not think this should be necessary, nor did several other members, I motioned this compromise in order to make it happen and be able to provide the services that I believe we as a party owe our affiliates and candidates of all levels.

    I also verbally committed to helping the chair with his goal and promised to help fundraise at least $5000 of that money. After that I challenged the other LNC members to step up and commit to a helping as well.

    I know Erin Adams, Justin O’Donnell, and Joshua Smith are already stepping up, as I am sure others intend to as well when they get settled back home and recover from jet lag.

    I need your help with this. I need your help to help support our candidates/affiliates and give them the resources they need to continue building our wins across the country. I need your help to help fight for our candidates to be able to exercise their right to run for office. No amount is too small to help, nor to large (within FEC limits of course). One time donations are great of course, but I really encourage you to sign up as a member and see all the great things we have upcoming, as well as access to the members website when it goes live. The best possible thing you can do is sign up for a recurring donation, of any size. Recurring donations are incredibly important for maintaining consistent levels of service and access.

    Please do as much as you can, if you want it focused on on particular area (like candidate support or ballot access) please note that in the comments section, if you tell us we will only put your money where you want it to go.

    https://www.lp.org/john

  57. paulie

    Steven Nekhaila – Libertarian
    18 mins ·

    Region 2 Recap
    11/19/2019
    Steven Nekhaila & Paige Sexton

    This past weekend (Nov 19th-20th) the Libertarian National Committee met in Miami, FL for our quarterly business meeting, which is also our budgetary meeting for the proceeding year. The LNC accomplished its mission of establishing a balanced budget for our 2020 fiscal year, which is also an election year, and budgeted more conservatively than our 2016 budget year as revenue for 2016 was unusual higher than the historical average. We place on paying off our mortgage for our Alexandria, VA headquarters, which should save us $30,000 a year in mortgage costs moving forward, and potentially open up the door for expanding our HQ as the need arises in the future. An amendment was made to not allow the LNC to spend convention funds until all liabilities for convention are closed out, which in effect dissuades the LNC from using convention revenue to cover other costs, unless overturned by a majority vote of the Executive Committee (made up of the LNC officers). Another amendment to our policy manual also more accurately reflected the true $ amount of necessary for our reserve, which is higher than past year targets. I am satisfied with our balanced budget and our dissuasion towards deficit spending, current reserves are particularly low and deficit spending in 2020 would be dangerous, we need to rebuild our reserve base and continue to invest in our Development Department (fundraising department).

    The Libertarian National Committee has hired two full time Development Dept members, both of whom I am pleased with and look forward to working with. Tara Desisto is the lead of the team and will be focusing primarily on operations. Tara brings a wealth of institutional knowledge that the LP simply does not possess, with it she hopes to build her team and create a bench for future fundraisers while training the LNC to fundraise and particularly make sure our staff and LNC members comfortable with being uncomfortable in the pursuit to raise funds. Her department should pay for itself quickly while providing a substantial boost in income for the Party.
    The eCanvasser CRM and canvassing software is being considered for adoption by the LNC as a part of a nationwide service to affiliates with the potential to be used in 100 select races annual at a cost of $3,500 a month on election years and roughly half on off years. We are looking into a shared program for affiliates as well.

    A membership only site is in the works and should launch in Q4 19’/Q1 20’ which features polling features to gain important metrics on how to better serve and represent our members, including single/priority issue data for our members who only wish to receive communication pertaining to the issues they care about.

    A learning management system is in the works, the IT committee is leaning towards Moodle and I am hoping to make the push as well. Moodle is currently being adopted in Florida, which is an opensource software specifically designed from the ground up as an LMS. An LMS is a content hosting website for learning resources related to the Party, think of an online classroom/database to contain our proprietary institutional knowledge. I am very excited about this development.

    Special council, Oliver B Hall, has an expansive report of participating litigation, a few interesting items to note: Arizona Libertarian Party vs Reagan, in which the State of AZ drastically increased signature requirements for Libertarian Party candidates seeking access to AZLP’s primary ballot. Cowen v. Raffensperger, in which Georgia candidates for State House must nomination petitions with signatures equal in number to 5 percent of the registered voters in the last election. No candidate has ever complied with that requirement since the law was enacted in 1943. Plaintiffs are individual voters and the Libertarian Party of Georgia. Level the Playing Field vs FEC, in which the FEC failed to act upon the Commission for Presidential Debates’ in-kind access of national media to only Republican and Democrat candidates. Libertarian National Committee vs FEC, in which a large bequest form a deceased donor is being blocked by the FEC from being obtained in a lump sum by the LNC, and instead must remain in a trust where the yearly maximum donation is given to the LNC. Libertarian Party of Maine v. Dunlap, in which the LP MN is challenging current minor party requirements which require 5,000 members by the 2016 election, and 10,000 members by the 2018 election. The Party registered over 6,100 members by 2018, and thus was forced to unregister all members and start from scratch. Libertarian Party of Minnesota v. Choi, No. 1:19-cv-02312 (D. Minn. 2019): This case challenges a statute requiring that signers of a minor party candidate’s nomination petition swear that they will not vote in the primary election. Violation of the statute is a felony, perjury, punishable by five years in jail and $10,000 in fines. Signers of major party nomination petitions do not swear to the same or any similar oath.

    The Libertarian Frontier project has been funded for 2020, which includes candidate and infrastructural support for many viable races in States including Wyoming and affecting much of Region 1. These races have been handpicked by our candidate support team and include State and municipal races with a high degree of impact. I am much in support of this project, as winning upper ticket races can not only make a huge impact in those States but give credence to Libertarians nationwide.

    The LNC has selected The Nugget in Reno, NV as our pick for the 2022 Libertarian National Convention. The site not only made the most economic sense in terms of our contractual obligations, but logistically makes the most sense to attendee’s over the Indianapolis option. Rooms are a bargain and parking and other services are complimentary. Nevada is also a gun friendly State, which the presenters made abundantly clear. I was impressed with their research into our organization. Most flights may include layovers in Las Vegas and include many major airlines. A slight increase in ticket prices compared to Indianapolis is overshadowed by the sharp increase in savings at the venue.

    The LNC has preliminarily recommended and will review the contract for DC in 2024. The site is the Washington Hilton. Being an election year in DC, the media attention around such an appearance is huge, with most major media outlets with correspondents in DC the coverage should surpass 2016. The hotel was excited about hosting their first ever nominating convention at their venue, the hotel is routinely used for major DC parties and events in which the media is very accustomed to setting up. Interestingly, the site also contains a bunker built during the Cold War.

    Sincerely,

    Steven Nekhaila
    Region 2 Representative
    Steven.Nekhaila@LP.org

  58. paulie

    Jess Mears
    4 hrs
    Humble brag opportunity!
    I’m looking for the BEST OF 2019 from your county/state Libertarian Party affiliate.
    What was the BEST THING that happened to it in 2019? The content will be published in The Liberty Pledge News.
    It is mailed to every monthly recurring donor to LP National.
    Please write a few sentences to 200ish words on THE BEST THING that happened to your county/state affiliate in 2019.
    Email this content with high resolution photos (if sending via cell phone, select the largest size possible) to: jess@lphq.org
    Deadline: Wednesday, November 27, 2019
    This is a great opportunity for Libertarian leaders to recognize the work of volunteers.

  59. Skylar Covich

    This article from Front Porch Republic praises third parties and includes an interview of the American Solidarity Party’s presidential candidate, Brian Carroll.

    As it happens, Carroll mentions the building of railroads as a big reason for federal government expantion, as discussed in this thread.

    https://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2019/11/presidential-politics-pseudo-choices-and-a-third-party-worth-considering/?fbclid=IwAR0NhLKJlTJyA3W3LVh_Zr0bAkFsZNMxsHVq6QJKNol4znzEgeXNX_AkrcE

  60. Chuck Moulton

    In Pennsylvania news, on top of the LPPA’s 23 on ballot local office wins, we so far have added 11 write-in wins. Over half of the counties we recruited from still have not reported write-in results, so we forecast another 5-15 wins in the coning few weeks.

  61. dL Post author

    Btw, Pauli, any particular reason why the wordpress fence plugin was installed to block twitter embed code?

  62. Chuck Moulton

    I’m not sure how many were contested. Probably none — if you don’t count write-ins. The whole point of our candidate recruitment drive was to get people on the ballot where there were no D’s or R’s running.

  63. NewFederalist

    I think that’s an intelligent strategy! Before you get to the major leagues you go through rookie leagues then A ball then AA ball then AAA ball! You gotta start someplace!

  64. paulie

    Btw, Pauli, any particular reason why the wordpress fence plugin was installed to block twitter embed code?

    Paul, or Paulie. The i and the e are a package deal.

    The wordfence plugin was installed as an added spam protection tool, recommended by one or more of our other writer/editors on our email list, which I highly suggest you get on if you are not already. Akismet was allowed to expire even though I paid $59 to keep it alive. Apparently there was something called an “API key” which I did not click thru enough to forward to the list so someone could fix it to finish fixing what I paid to fix while I was off the computer for a week. And no one bothered to call or text me that whole time even though I explained the issue on the list.

    As for any details on the configuration of plugins I have no earthly idea. Ask Warren Redlich. He rarely reads these comments so email would be better to get a hold of him. His contact info and the rest of ours in the about tab at the top of the page.

    I am now going thru thousands of comments that are incorrectly posted as spam, pending or trash. Fun fun fun. Some legit posters were or are in trash or spam, but all of almost all 3 is all spam. Someone is also apparently keeps erasing Jim’s legitimate comments. Not the same Jim as we banned from comments as a malicious troll.

    Anyone want to post December thread? We are now on the 6th.

  65. Jim

    In the last few cycles, the presidential year bump in signature members and donors to the Libertarian Party began in:

    February, 2016
    July, 2012
    May, 2008

    It appears to have begun early this cycle – in October, 2019.

    https://i.imgur.com/sgTIVw6.png

    +1,023 donors in October/November 2019.
    +1,267 signature members in October/November 2019.

    Although, someone on another forum offered an alternative possible explanation. Apparently Tom Woods, Dave Smith, and that crowd have been pushing their listeners to join the LP, lately. They really want Sarwark out as Chair and Hornberger in as the Presidential candidate.

  66. Jim

    That one month spike in donors in December 2007 was likely due to the LNC urging Ron Paul to seek the Libertarian Presidential nomination. That resolution was issued on December 9th, 2007.

  67. Jim

    Nicholas Kasoff, the Libertarian in the special election for Missouri’s state representative district 74, got 42.67% last month.

    That is the 9th time a Libertarian candidate has been in the 40% – 50% range for state legislature. Kasoff is #6 on the list. 5 of those 9 (56%) have occurred since 2012.

    LP candidates for state legislature have gotten in the 30% – 40% range 26 times since 2012. I’m uncertain of a couple from the early years of the party, but that means approximately 47% of all candidates to get in that range have done so since 2012.

    In elections with only one opponent, at least, there is an obvious greater willingness to vote for Libertarians in recent years than in the party’s first 40 years.

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