August 2020 Open Thread

This is the Open Thread for the month named after Caesar Augustus.  Thanks to Socratic Gadfly for correcting the error in the previous month’s Open Thread.

Please leave any tips, announcements, or others things below.

38 thoughts on “August 2020 Open Thread

  1. Jake Leonard

    Petition objection preliminary hearings set for tomorrow morning (August 3) at 10:30 a.m. CDT. The hearings were supposed to be heard in their respective offices in Springfield and Chicago. However, there was a COVID-19 outbreak in the State Board of Elections office in Chicago, so both offices are closed.

    Both hearings are to be held on Zoom, but no link has been made available to candidates or the Libertarian Party of Illinois as of 10:30 p.m. CDT.

    I submitted an email to board liaison Amy Calvin regarding the hearings and any applicable Zoom conference links with CC to LPIL chair Steve Suess and vice chair Donny Henry. Should hopefully hear something early in the morning so that our candidates are avoiding making a pointless trip to an office that’s closed.

    Agenda page: https://elections.il.gov/AboutTheBoard/Agenda.aspx?T=637320007370157329

    Considering some of the objections are shown to be ignorance of our ballot access lawsuit, they should be easy to overrule. We’re expecting only two candidates to be striken off the ballot for lack of the minimum signature threshold under the reduced threshold, but should have everyone else on the ballot for November.

    Hearings for various Libertarian candidates in Peoria and McHenry counties will kick off at 1 PM CDT. A slate of four countywide candidates in Peoria and two candidates in McHenry. Should be easy to get overruled. Peoria County’s objections may easily be overruled due to objector committing perjury. Been hearing those hearings will be in-person, so I don’t know if anyone is going to have live video of those hearings.

    Information willingly provided as Political Director of the Libertarian Party of Illinois.

  2. Root's Teeth Are Awesome

    California seizes a man’s firearms because of his political postings: https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2020/07/27/alleged-leader-of-neo-nazi-group-identified-as-orangevale-resident-andrew-casarez/

    … “We’re able to obtain a gun violence restraining order against him and a search warrant, and a firearm was seized,” Nelson said.

    Detectives used Casarez’s online activity to get them in the door

    “This search warrant it’s the first of its kind at least in the country. As far as how we obtained it and were able to serve it,” Nelson said. “He was posting enough racist rhetoric and propaganda on Facebook that it was concerning that his behaviors could become violent in retaliation.”

    Local agencies are keeping a close eye on the house connected to Andrew Casarez. As for the FBI, they don’t police ideology. They will only take action if a person threatens violence or actually commits a crime. But the Sacramento County Sheriff’s Office wasn’t willing to wait.

    “Instead of waiting for him to go out and commit acts of violence, per se, they were able to ideally stop it before it started. But he did have a firearm in his possession,” Nelson said. …

  3. Jake Leonard

    Called cases have been forwarded to hearing officials and the timeframe of resolutions may vary. Again, anything specified in Appendix B of the agenda would result in the objection being overruled.

    An objection against independent POTUS candidate Kanye West was tabled. An objection against a Green Party candidate, John Keating, was overruled on the basis that the objector did not due his due diligence.

  4. William Saturn Post author

    Root’s Teeth Are Awesome,

    If the LP really cared about civil liberties and the bill of rights it would make an issue about this.

    Instead, the LP is more interested in virtue signaling to the far left.

  5. Ryan

    I know this is an old party post, but what do we make of the likely Kamala Harris allies-orchestrated hatchet job on Karen Bass?

  6. Bondurant

    @ Ryan

    Bringing to light relatively recent praise of Fidel Castro is not a hatchet job. Her comments are important. Feigning ignorance about Castro is laughable. Bass should, however, pick up where Tulsi left off on Harris. I love watching all of Biden’s VP hopefuls sink. The Dems are a mess.

  7. Thomas Knapp

    “what do we make of the likely Kamala Harris allies-orchestrated hatchet job on Karen Bass?”

    I’m not sure I’d specifically blame Harris for that. My impression is that Bass’s entire role is that of sacrificial lamb — to be talked up as a possible veep pick so that whoever Biden ACTUALLY picks can be painted as a “move toward the center.” That’s probably a strategy originating inside the Biden campaign itself.

  8. paulie

    (Kanye West) “The rapper/producer has now filed paperwork in seven states in his quest to become the next Oval Office occupant: Oklahoma, Illinois, Missouri, Arkansas, Vermont, West Virginia and now Wisconsin.”

    So far Oklahoma and possibly Vermont are the only ones where it was ruled sufficient, since no signatures were required.

    Per comments in Ballot Access News:

    Tryna Keep Track on August 5, 2020 at 1:50 pm said:

    David Valente LPWV chair to LNC:
    There are reports Kanye turned in 15k sigs in WV, he needed 7300. However it seems suspect as this appears to have been accomplished in less that 2 weeks and no one has seen his petition gatherers except on Monday in Charleston. I am thinking all 15k were just Kanye West’s name over & over again.

    LNC chair Joe Bishop-Henchman replied

    His petition in NJ submitted 1300 signatures (800 required) but after someone challenged it, he withdrew it rather than defend it.

    The AP explains: “The New Jersey petition showed a number of signatures looked nearly identical, including lower-case i’s dotted with a small circle. Some signatures lacked complete addresses.”

    https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/08/04/kanye-west-withdraws-petition-get-njs-2020-ballot/3289922001/

    http://ballot-access.org/2020/08/04/kanye-west-files-his-arkansas-petition-45-minutes-before-the-deadline/

    http://ballot-access.org/2020/07/24/five-illinois-voters-challenge-kanye-wests-independent-presidential-petition/

    I am somebody on July 24, 2020 at 3:10 pm said:

    No payout to a winning challenger as far as I know. I don’t know, but they may have been acting separately. There’s no big cost if any to filing the challenge, but if the challenged party fights it, it’s a race by both sides to prove which signatures are good and which are not, and that can be costly in terms of time and potentially money. But it may not be a big deal if it’s not close. And it probably isn’t, since the best available information is that it was probably 3178 signatures, not 4120, which would require a 79% validity rate to prevail, and that’s unlikely. Even 60% is hardly challenge proof depending on collections places and methods.

    http://ballot-access.org/2020/07/22/illinois-news-story-reveals-that-kanye-west-submitted-4120-signatures-in-illinois/

    PDR on July 22, 2020 at 11:03 am said:

    The story says “According to some sources, 3178 signatures appear to have been accepted from West’s 4120 that were turned in. ” Someone can correct me if I am wrong but they wouldn’t have validated them this quickly, or possibly even at all if there is no challenge filed. So putting that together with the other report I saw – I think in comments here but I could be wrong – what I think actually happened is he submitted 3178 signatures on 412 sheets that had room for 4120 signatures if every line was used.

    If this is correct, he would actually need 78.67% of the signatures to be deemed valid if there is an objection, not 60%. 79% validity overall on a petition is hard to get, and 60% is far from automatic either. So like Blankenship and some or all of the others his best chance to actually be on the ballot is if no one bothers to file an objection. I don’t know what the chances of someone filing one are but there’s a link to watch the objections as they come in in the comments on one of the other posts here.

  9. Thomas Knapp

    I placed a PredictIt bet on Val Demings as Biden’s VP pick. The market doesn’t think much of my bet (share price has fallen from 20 cents to 7 cents).

    IMO, Demings makes more sense than Harris if the idea is to be seen as “tacking right” after flirting with Bass, Abrams, et al. She’s an actual former cop, not just a former police chief, she doesn’t have the dedicated hater bloc that Harris has, and she’s from Florida, which unlike Harris’s state is not pre-ordained as being in the bag for Biden.

  10. Jared

    If I were Biden (or whoever is calling the shots), I’d offer the VP slot to Tammy Duckworth, but my money is still on *gag* Kamala Harris.

  11. Thane Eichenauer

    Root’s Teeth Are Awesome> I predict Susan Rice.

    Mr Teeth, You could not be more wrong. Verily Pope Scott Adams has foretold in a certified prophetic prediction that Kamala Harris will be the Democratic Party nominee. It is going to happen. It has been foretold.

  12. Jake Leonard

    August 6: The Libertarian Party slate in Peoria County, Illinois overcame their lone objection.

    Video from Libertarian Party of Greater Peoria following the ruling: https://www.facebook.com/LibertyPlaysPeoria/videos/603789570570382/

    August 10: The Libertarian Party slate in McHenry County, Illinois overcame their objections.

    Limited coverage on it, but a blogger and former GOP politician isn’t happy about it:
    http://mchenrycountyblog.com/2020/08/11/mchenry-county-electoral-board-grants-ballot-access-to-libertarian-party-candidates-for-auditor-and-coroner

    Further post from one of the McHenry County candidates, Kelly Liebmann, who is running for coroner: https://www.facebook.com/KellyLiebmannForIllinois/posts/3341939822697686

    Also, as shared on their local chapter page: https://www.facebook.com/McHenryCountyLibertarians/posts/1089201654811006

  13. José C

    Everyone:

    Every four years there is debate and controversy as to whether our presidential candidate should debate alternative party candidates for president. I am posting this post to get discussion and opinions. I feel this issue is that important. Four years ago Gary Johnson declined to debate the candidates for president of the Green (Jill Stein) and Constitution (Darrell Castle) parties. His campaign felt Gary Johnson would not be perceived as a serious candidate if he did debate Stein and Castle.

    When Jo Jorgensen received our nomination a member of a Facebook group requested contact information because he / she was contacting Green Party candidate Howie Hawkins campaign to set up a presidential candidates debate between Jorgensen and Howie Hawkins. There were some who quickly gave the opinion Jorgensen should not debate Hawkins. It was mentioned Jorgensen should only debate President Donald Trump and Jo Biden.

    Since the 1980 election when we could credibly argue our presidential candidate should be included in the Democrat and Republican candidates debate for president not once has our candidate debated the Democrat and Republican candidates for president. Over the years candidates of the Green and Libertarian parties have sued the Commission on Presidential Debates, the Democrat and Republican parties, and the campaigns of the Democrat and Republican candidates for president. The federal courts have ruled the Commission on Presidential Debates is a private organization and thus they can invite or not invite whomever they want to participate in their organized presidential debates. The Supreme Court has declined to take up any of the cases.

    The odds of Jorgensen or Hawkins debating President Trump or Biden are zero. I argued four years ago Johnson should debate Stein (Green Party) and Castle (Constitution Party). I mentioned the debate being conducted by the Free and Equal Foundation which send invitations to Johnson, Stein, and Castle should be accepted. I argued any opportunity to get on cable and other forms of communication are to our benefit. I said increasing the amount of views where Johnson’s and the Party’s view on various issues are to the good. I also mentioned the debate(s) can be used to conduct fundraising for Johnson. I also reminded everyone 1980 candidate Ed Clark debated Barry Commoner of the Citizens party and the debate was covered by the media.

    The candidate and others disagreed with my position. They argued if Johnson debated Stein and Castle he would not be considered a credible presidential candidate. I disagreed. When the debate took place the cable network that aired the debate had an online video where the debate could be watched. There was a blogger representing Stein and another blogger representing Castle who posted comments live on the debate blog of the network airing the debate. I posted comments (unofficially of course) representing the Libertarian Party and Johnson.

    So, it is 2020 and here we are. I feel Jorgensen should debate Hawkins. Who should get invited to any alternative presidential candidates’ debate? Very simple, candidates who are on the ballot in enough states with enough electoral votes (currently 270) that in theory could be elected President. Make sure the candidate can serve as President under the Constitution. Those are the qualifications which are very simple. This year those that meet the threshold are Jo Jorgensen (441 electoral votes) and Howei Hawkins (350 electoral votes). I do not think Alliance Party candidate Roque Fuente will make the 275 threshold (currently 196 electoral votes) but if he does he should be invited to any alternative candidates’ debates. The Constitution Party is a distant fourth (150 electoral votes).

    In one of the debates CNN anchor Larry king (He was anchor when CNN was operated by Ted Turner and was a serious news organization not a news organization of the Democrat Party.) was the moderator. He was professional and did not ask gotcha questions. Four years ago actor Ed Asner was one of the moderators. Even though he is very liberal he was professional and did not ask gotcha questions. The Larry king moderated debate was aired live on C-Span. Four years ago the debate was aired by an international cable network. It is clear it would not be hard to get a credible cable network and credible person to moderate the debate. With the increase in the use of different forms of communication e.g., You Tube, satellite, blogs, I-Pads, smart phones the publicity and reach are increased. There should be four debates. Three presidential candidates’ debate and one vice-presidential candidates’ debate. So, we should get behind and support an alternative party presidential candidates’ debate involving Jo Jorgensen.

    What do you think? Thoughts? Reactions?

  14. Bondurant

    Lamestream corporate media keeps referring to the DNC primary in Milwaukee as “historic”. No credit to the LP. Shocker.

  15. Ryan

    Jose,

    I’ve thought that a good idea would be a debate a couple weeks before the election, all the non-Democrat/non-Republican candidates up to a certain size (say they have ballot access representing 270 electoral votes, although that barrier would mean no Evan McMullin in 2016) band together to have 3 debates similar in substance to the main ones held after the fact, giving them the benefit of knowing the main candidates’ responses ahead of time, and “sell them” as programming for the likes of TNT, USA, that ilk of channels. SOMEONE would broadcast them. Even if the parties don’t break even on it, it’s a worthwhile expense in exchange for the potential audience.

  16. Ryan

    “There were some who quickly gave the opinion Jorgensen should not debate Hawkins. It was mentioned Jorgensen should only debate President Donald Trump and Jo Biden.”

    Just cheat. Put up videos on YouTube of a 3-way debate featuring Trump, Biden, and Jorgensen in a similar-looking background acting like she is responding to the same questions after the fact. It would aid Jorgensen to look better because she would know her opponents’ answers ahead of time and can frame her responses around that.

    If Republican or Democratic partisans say that’s not square, respond they could just invite Jorgensen up on stage then.

  17. Jake Leonard

    Ballot certification in Illinois is tomorrow morning at 9:00 a.m. CDT.

    The Illinois State Board of Elections will conduct its Regular Monthly Board Meeting on Friday, August
    21, 2020. The meeting will begin at 9:00 a.m. via Zoom and can be accessed by clicking on the
    following link.
    https://zoom.us/j/97513037770?pwd=NDEySTlSK0ViWllqN09kQWFCeVNXdz09
    Meeting ID: 975 1303 7770
    Passcode: 182989

    Dial In: (312) 626 6799
    Meeting ID: 975 1303 7770
    Passcode: 182989

    If you would like to appear before the board please submit the request to Amy Calvin at
    acalvin@elections.il.gov. Please click the link below to access both the Appearance Form and Request
    to Address the Board.
    https://www.elections.il.gov/AboutTheBoard/Agenda.aspx?MID=YAbx9iCz1WU%3d&T=6372238048
    48886430

  18. Thomas Knapp

    Bondurant,

    What “credit” would the LP get? Its online convention was neither the first such thing (that was the Boston Tea Party in 2006 — or 2008 if you want a presidential nomination included), nor probably as large as either the Democratic or Republican versions.

    The only thing really notable about the LP’s event was that it was temporarily hijacked by the in-person minority, not something that really covered the party in glory.

  19. Jake Leonard

    Meeting of the Wisconsin Elections Commission started at 3 P.M. CDT Thursday.

    Kanye West off the ballot in Wisconsin. Reasoning: failure to file in a timely manner. Could be wrong, but I believe it was a 5-1 vote.

    Argument regarding trying to kick off the Green Party ticket has been going on for 2 1/2+ hours. Democratic commission chair Ann Jacobs has been hostile during the entire hearing toward campaign manager Andrea Mérida Cuéllar and Republican commissioner Robert Spindell.

    Objections are regarding address of the VP nominee. Started the drive at one address and moved to another during the drive.

    Spindell made some passionate remarks stating that tossing the Green Party ticket of Howie Hawkins and Angela Walker off the ballot over the address issues could make the Commission appear racist, as the VP nominee is black.

    They’re splitting the motion.

    Objection motions 2 & 3 passed 6-0.
    Objection motion 1 to kick the Green Party off the ballot fails 3-3, right along party lines.
    Spindell motions to place Green Party on the ballot. Commissioner Dean Knudson seconds.
    3,680 valid signatures reported.
    Motion fails 3-3, right along party lines.

    Motion by Knudson to introduce testimony regarding when the VP nominee moved. Seconded by Spindell. Jacobs argues objectors would not be able to represents and that Merida cannot testify on behalf of the VP nominee. Claims objector sandbagging. Motion fails 3-3.

    Knudson make a two-part motion:
    1) To certify 1,789 signatures for the Green Party ticket of Hawkins/Walker (with Walker’s Royal Street address); and
    2) Enter into the record that the Commission’s 3-3 deadlock on removal AND placement has no finding against the remaining 1,834 under objection (with Walker’s Tee Vee Road address) due to lack of sufficient evidence against them regarding when Walker moved.

    Uncertain if that meant placed on the ballot with over 3,600 signatures until proven otherwise. Motion carries 6-0.

    Candidates without objections to be approved to be placed on the ballot – Libertarian Party and American Solidarity Party, made by Knudson on both motion. Motion carries 6-0 on both and both party tickets will be on the ballot.

    Motion to not certify Kyle Kopitke for ballot placement by Knudson. Motion carries 6-0.

    Jacobs motions for the Green Party ticket to not be placed on the ballot. Uses previous 6-0 decision as part of argument to not place them on the ballot. Motion fails 3-3.

    Knudson motions for the Green Party ticket to be certified on the ballot. Uses previous 6-0 decision as part of argument to place them on the ballot. Motion fails 3-3.

    Issue regarding Hawkins/Walker objections may or may not end up in court due to the Commission’s lack of action.

    Other business started at 8:36 PM CDT.

    Can supply recorded audio per request. (Note of warning – is 5 hours, 34 minutes long.)

  20. Just Some Random Guy

    @ Jake Leonard

    Motion to not certify Kyle Kopitke for ballot placement by Knudson. Motion carries 6-0.

    Why was Kopitke not included? Did he not have enough signatures?

  21. Jared

    RTAA: “Rand Paul confronted by BLM protesters”

    “Say her name!” Because introducing a Senate bill in her honor, that bears her name, to end no-knock warrants isn’t an actual acknowledgement. The people demand more lipservice, or else!

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