This is the open thread for May 2022, please feel free to use this for discussions that don’t have a more appropriate home on another post.
Open Thread: May 2022
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Where have all the nominees gone?
Long time passing.
Where have all the nominees gone?
Long time ago.
Where have all the nominees gone?
Gone down to defeat, every one.
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?
Lose, Lose, Lose,
Everybody Lose!
Ah, Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!
Austin Cassidy, thank you for your clarifying comment here which I take to be directed at mine.
Which was directed at Hmmmm who stated ignorance about Trent Hill.
I am glad to hear he is alive and doing well. And I admit that my definition of right wing nut might be too inclusive.
And I admit that my swing at mask and vax deniers and refusers might be pretty hard and wide also.
In my defense i would say that I am not a happy camper here. Not an unhappy camper either. i am ambivalent and hopeful. I am glad to see that you replaced Warren Solomon Redlich of the much too longstanding Redlich/Frankel dictatorship. But I do not think paulie is gone. He has just taken refuge behind several persona/fake anonymous names like. I believe. William Saturn.
Keep up the good work. You are better than the alternative!
Trent Hill is very much alive and doing quite well. I definitely wouldn’t consider him a Trumpist or right-wing nut. And for those unfamiliar, he was the editor-in-chief of this site during what was probably IPR’s most active peak.
Wow. I didn’t realize Andy Gonzalez was 70. That puts him at high risk for COVID-19 due to him being unvaccinated (or at least he was a few months ago) and an LGBTQ. I hope he wears a mask when he petitions and attends the convention and takes the necessary precautions to avoid the monkeypox.
Happy Birthday Trent.
Wherever you are.
Maybe Covid got him, like a lot of right wing nuts. Trumpists etc.
What with mask and vax disinformation and refusal and what not.
Trent Hill is a longtime IPR person. Right wing nut type.
I have not heard much about him recently though.
Are you sure about xaulie banali and Andy being 70?
I am going to be 70 soon. I thought they were about a decade behind me.
Andy, how old are you and paulie?
BTW, let’s let Professor Phillies have his power trip on his new post about the Reno Sparks convention.
Other comments can go here I assume.
The old comments I read said that he was born in the same year as Pankel Fraudankel so if Fraudankel just turned 70 that must mean Gonzo did too.
How old is Andy Gonzalez?
I read on a past thread that Andy Gonzalez had a birthday on May 11.
Paul Joseph Watson had a birthday on May 24. He turned 40.
Wow, lot of birthdays going on right now! Happy birthday to all.
Only 70? Damn, he looks like shit. I thought he was like at least 80 or 90.
I wrote this on another article but the article no longer exists.
Happy (now belated) 70th birthday to paulie cannoli!
May seems to be a popular month for birthdays in alternative politics: Jim Clymer (4), Arvin Vohra (9), Will Coley (10), James Hedges (10), L Neil Smith (12), Mike Gravel (13), Jill Stein (14), Jeff Boss (20), Thane Eichenauer (28), TJ O’Hara (31).
And those are just the ones I see on Facebook.
I’ll pretend I know who that is and wish him a happy birthday too.
And Trent Hill’s birthday is today. How about that?
So, IPR and Pankel Frankel – May 20, Nathan Norman – May 22, William Saturn – May 24. I’m sure we’re supposed to just believe that is all a coincidence, right?
I got a notice from Facebook about William’s birthday May 24 on May 24.
Why didn’t William correct me and Nathan Norman?
“Robert Milnes
May 24, 2022 at 11:01
So, Morey= William Saturn = Ron Paul Caesar= paulie cannoli=Nathan Norman= Daemon Sims = Wang Tang Fu = Humongous Fungus?
How about all those freaks on IPR-X?
How about Vernon the Neo Nazi?”
Belated happy birthday to William Saturn and Nathan Norman (both May 22) and also to IPR and xaulie stromboli (both May 20). I’m sure those are all a coincidence, if there is such a thing as a coincidence.
As we come up on the National Convention as one group plots a takeover and another group of people gnashing teeth about it, myself as a County Party Chair I have to ask: “who gives a sh*t?”
Sorry to be flippant, National does largely nothing with me now. I should not say nothing, CiviCRM which is important and the $10 kickback to my county party for triple party membership do occur, but that should be the limits on what they do really because libertarians believe in federalism and authority comes from the states. My interaction is almost solely with my state party from where organizing and fundraising come from, and I’m fully on-board with our state party and what they do because we have excellent leadership that produced arguably the most successful Libertarian campaign in recent memory. If the Mises Caucus takeover the national infrastructure, what the f#ck are they going to do that is of any importance to me? They are not going to affect my campaign or the campaigns of the other individuals in my county running for office. They are not going to affect my conversations talking about libertarianism where I don’t mention the Mises Caucus and whatever the hell they stand for. They are not going to affect my state’s nominees for Senate or Secretary of State. They have no right to tell candidates what they can or cannot stand for because as libertarians we don’t believe in authoritarian dictates, so if they think someone is a LINO – Libertarian in Name Only – their opinion once being in control of the national party does not extend to stopping “LINOs” from running for office.
Yeah, Caryn Ann Harlos in my opinion should disappear because in any large organization you should retain a sense of decorum and she has demonstrated she is a failure at that, which means she is a failure as a leader. That is a decision up to the delegates however. If the takeover is successful though and the end result of that is the Mises Caucus become a bunch of authoritarian assholes…they only have power for 2 years, there will be a reflexive reaction to them in 2024 which would make itself present, and it would also lead to the national party becoming more meaningless as we have a strong principle of federalism in this party. It does lend credence to the answer I received once at State Convention early this year when I asked the question “I don’t understand what the Mises Caucus are trying to do?” of “some of them genuinely believe in what they are doing and saying, some believe the way to get ahead in politics is to be obnoxious assholes, and a few are Republican operatives that want to make sure people upset with Trump that left the GOP have nowhere else to go”.
Now if this was about a presidential candidate that “markets” Libertarian Party to the electorate, most of whom don’t know what a libertarian is, I’d be singing a different tune. But I feel this is going to be a case of once achieving “power” in the party they realize how lacking said power is, or to provide a metaphor, the dog chasing the car that once he’s caught the car has no idea what to do with it.
But I’m still growing my county party locally with no regard to what the Mises Caucus is or does.
I hope the National Convention goes well for everyone out there and nothing bad happens that affects me or my county party. Remember, as delegates you represent all the paeans that did not travel to Reno.
Thank you Nathan.
I would also like to wish a Happy Birthday to William Saturn. And I must say the article Morey linked to is absolutely hilarious. But so is the 2013 tweet RPC links. It references 69th Street, which is in Upper Darby just west of Philadelphia. That’s part of Milnes’ stomping grounds. I looked at the PLAS place from when the tweet was made and it was right when he was getting evicted. So it’s a real possibility he was the homeless bum. Plus, we all know Milnes likes to pass out flyers. Remember Chester? Lol!
I look forward to posts about the upcoming Libertarian Party convention in Reno/Sparks, NV. I live hundreds of miles away but if I should become aware of any useful and interesting news I will post it here in the comments.
May the best candidate prevail.
So, Morey= William Saturn = Ron Paul Caesar= paulie cannoli=Nathan Norman= Daemon Sims = Wang Tang Fu = Humongous Fungus?
How about all those freaks on IPR-X?
How about Vernon the Neo Nazi?
Morey,
C’mon. Another lame comment?
Rehashing old bs?
Is that all you got?
Bob, you have to admit that it does sound a lot like some of your past activism.
https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/04/new-presidential-sex-scandal-threatens-to-explode-all-over-the-internet/
Today is William Saturn’s Birthday!
Happy Birthday William!
RPC,
What a shockingly lame comment!
Care to try again?
https://twitter.com/BrettQuinnPhD/status/409003570693173248
Those actually weren’t religious flyers. They were about PLAS.
Top U.S., Russian Generals Speak for First Time Since Ukraine Invasion. -Reuters.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/top-us-russian-generals-speak-first-time-since-ukraine-invasion-2022-05-19/
Elon Musk Calls for “Moderate” Third Party After Trashing Democrats, Pledging Vote to Republicans. -by Zachary Leeman, Mediaite, May 19, 2022, 12:56 PM.
Morey,
A live dog is better than a dead lion. A pragmatist who runs to win (increasing the likelihood of winning elections is what political parties are for) and knows how to talk to and work with non-libertarians is more empowered and effective than a purest who not only loses his campaign but turns off potential supporters by his moralistic self-indulgence. This has nothing to do with moderates vs. radicals or any faction’s position on a particular issue. I’m no moderate. It has to do with communications and strategy, and not only campaign strategy but governing strategy.
All the voluntaryist or Austro-Ancapistani inspirational talking points aren’t going to mean jack shit if you burn all your bridges and can’t function in elective, especially partisan, office because nobody wants to deal with you. That doesn’t mean you become a milquetoast pansy without principles who tries never to offend anyone. But if you’re going to run an alienating campaign, you had better bring something valuable to the table beside righteous indignation or a utopian vision and understand the game that’s played in political environments. Especially given how “on the spectrum” many libertarians are—just the reality—it’s important to learn and doesn’t come naturally to most of us.
Republican and Democratic colleagues are able to get away with their partisan attacks because, like lawyers giving convincing performances in a courtroom, they understand it’s theater. And they understand there are real lines that cannot be crossed unless you want to be ostracized by the community. Oh, but what about Trump? He broke all the rules. Yes, he managed the impossible and shot the moon, and almost nothing changed on the federal level, even with Congressional Republicans tripping all over themselves to win his favor.
Trying to ride the angry populist coattails of the Trump phenomenon is a gamble that will not pay off for LP. Libertarians do not share a reactive cultural vision that unifies such a movement, and our candidates do not enjoy that level of support, or prospective support, or the frenzied media attention necessary to reach outside the mainstream to capture that prospective support. Does the party need better messaging and marketing in general? Absolutely. Does that require idealistic bludgeoning and an Aspergo-capitalist lack of social awareness? No. Does that mean we’re soft on principles if we don’t shout manifestos from rooftops or if we dare to ally with non-libertarians to accomplish our goals, which may involve strategic (i.e., not moral) compromise? Of course not.
Be willing to “unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong.” Legislatures and town councils are not crawling with libertarians, obviously. When you run to be elected to a body, sadly, you will not be surrounded by your co-ideologues if you win. So, don’t run to be a libertarian among libertarians. Run to be a libertarian among non-libertarians. Moreover, if you’re serious about winning, you’ll need to appeal to your non-libertarian voting neighbors by identifying with their concerns and priorities. Campaign with that in mind.
A crackpot here. A crackpot there.
Here a crackpot, there a crackpot,
Everywhere a crackpot.
King Donald the Foist is correct when he says the election was rigged.
It was, but not the way he implies.
It was rigged by Duverger’s Law. In addition to any other rigging that may or may not have been in effect.
Elections are sociological phenomena, not political.
There has never been a fair and representative election in the USA.
Hello George.
Morey: So far as I know the $6K is correct. You might ask the Gold Wedge people about their sources. If you are curious, search out their state filings, though you may need to wait a few months.
Academic. Moot.
No Libertarian or any other third party candidate has much chance of winning as long as Deverger’s Law is in effect without remedy.
Jared, sounds like you know what needs to be done. Why aren’t you doing it? Run the most moderate, milquetoast campaign ever and win your seat. Then you can really gloat as you horse trade with the other politicians and occasionally nibble around the margins of government power.
Winning means you enter the system and face the people you’ve been bitching about. Winning means you’ll deal professionally with other elected officials and work with the ideologically “impure” to meet your campaign goals and move the needle in your direction. Winning means you have to educate yourself about the job you campaigned for, which likely means you’ll be relying on those people to help you.
Running to fail and failing to run demand less effort and no compromise. Complaining from the sidelines about how government screws everything up is a lot easier, and it carries no responsibility. Nobody can negatively assess a record that doesn’t exist.
Why do Libertarians hate winning so much?
The Libertarian party rejects winning elections for by law reasons.
The latest Massachusetts appeal to the Libertarian Party Judicial Committee was rejected for bylaws reasons.
Why not? I thought the workshop was one of the main attractions of the meeting.
Oh, there is no Top Six/Level the Playing Field workshop.
Never mind.
Of course the elephant in the room is the Top Six/Level the Playing field workshop.
And whether I would be invited as presenter.
Of course I think I should be. But I would be open to and even somewhat flattered if someone else did it.
Assuming it wasn’t mangled upon presentation.
And YouTube vids as well.
https://youtu.be/zRZpaxBMJRU
Why won’t this embed?
Can the admin here turn on the ability to post actual gifs rather than a link?
https://media1.giphy.com/media/5mBE2MiMVFITS/giphy.gif
I just received an email about registration for the Green Annual National Meeting. July 22-24 online.
“…one of our featured workshop presenters, fair elections and ballot access champion Richard Winger!”
I must say that I am quite ambivalent about this.
On the one hand, yes, Richard is that. And readers can note that I have written in BAN comments that Richard and I have had quite some time ago several email conversations. In these I all but begged him to endorse my theories. Surely and endorsement from him would promptly lead to action. But no. That never happened. So eventually I gave up.
And Richard is a libertarian. Any meetup among libs and greens should surely be helpful, no?
I am patient. I suppose I can wait to see if I am mentioned AT ALL by ANYONE at the ANM.
But how Is it that I have not been embraced LONG AGO?
Is there someone or some thing that does not want the GP and/or the LP to win any significant elections?
http://observations.goldwedge.org/issues/colorado-convention-kicks-back-6k-to-comic-podcaster-chooses-candidates-1074382
Is this for real? $6k isn’t chump change for a state affiliate. I’d be opposed to this kind of spend even for a major celebritarian who might bring outsiders to the convention.
^Andy tell^
Correction: above, ” …pursuant to the Sixth Amendment…”
Further, I recently wrote a letter to the presiding judge, Robert Colville.
Copy to Office of the US Attorney and Federal Public Defender, certified, return receipt requested.
The brief I had also sent certified, return receipt requested.
I have received all return receipts except the one from the copy of letter to the judge to the Federal Public Defender’s Office.
What happened to that letter?
Did the Office of the Federal Defender refuse to accept and sign the return receipt?
To date I have heard nothing further about the brief and the letter to the judge.
Has Bowers been advised about the brief and letter to the judge?
Also I had written a letter to Bowers c/o Federal Public Defenders Office.
Did Bowers receive this letter?
I requested of the judge to be put in communication with Bowers, preferably via video conference.
Now there is a motion to the Court by the US Attorneys Office for the Judge to speak to Bowers in person.
I have no proof but it sounds to me like Bowers is being held incommunicado to pressure him into plea bargaining.
I believe recent developments in the Bowers case are significant. Since they could involve me imo, I would like to briefly state/reiterate my positions here.
I filed an Amicus Curiae brief in this case.
Basically I submitted to the Court that Bowers has an affirmative defense: not guilty by reason of self defense, defense of others and country.
That Israel is an apartheid, theocratic, counterrevolutionary state. Thereby a terrorist state. That the jews by and large zealously support Israel. Therefore the jews are international terrorists. I included my The Sinai Proposal as an alternative to United Nations Resolutions partitioning Palestine. That the jews be relocated to the Sinai Peninsula.
I offer to assist Bowers in his defense pursuant to the Fifth Amendment pro bono.
Wow. What a disgusting post from Moses Austwin’s hate blog. Racist and straight up Russian propaganda:
https://mosesaustwin.wordpress.com/2022/05/13/mudshark-shitolina-makes-mockery-of-tennis/
Personal note to IPR readers.
I do not simply approve of the violence in this case. It is more complicated than that.
Similarly I find myself siding with the abortion rights position yet I deplore abortions. And it is more complicated than I was raised by my Catholic mother. It is simply a clear and obvious scientific fact that life begins at conception.
Further I find myself supporting near absolute gun rights pursuant to the Second Amendment. I personally deplore guns. I do not like guns. I actually have somewhat a fear of guns. Yet I have target practiced in the National Forest. I believe in gun safety,
As a candidate for President-this is my sixth election cycle, I have had to consider my position on very complex issues.
This is where I have found myself.
Can someone help me with this link?
It is a similar headline as the previous link but by the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, not CBS News Pittsburgh.
There is more information in this second headline.
Basically the Bowers case is anomolous in that Bowers personally has seemingly not participated sufficiently in the proceedings.
This would seem to be consistent with my accusation that Bowers may be being held incommunicado to pressure him into plea bargaining.
That would be consistent with Judy Clarke specializing in arranging plea bargains in exchange for removal of the death penalty.
I had written Bowers recommending my proposed affirmative defense which specifically does not include a plea bargain.
He may be simply refusing to plea bargain.
Federal Prosecutors Want Judge to Question Accused Tree of Life Shooter Robert Bowers in Person About Rights Waivers. -by Torsten Ove, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, May 11, 2022, 9:21 AM.
https://www.post-gazette.com/news/crime-courts/2022/05/10/federal-prosecutors-want-judge-to-question-robert-bowers-in-person-about-rights-waivers
What is this?
Reportedly the federal prosecutors want the judge to question Bowers in person.
Obviously THEY cannot question Bowers in person.
I have written here in IPR comments that I have written a letter to the judge for ME to be put in contact with Bowers in person or via video conference,
Also I have not received a return receipt from the federal public defenders office. However I have received the return receipts from the court clerk and the US Attorneys Office.
What is going on here?
Federal Prosecutors Seeking to Question Robert Bowers in Person About Rights Waivers. – CBS News Pittsburgh, May 11, 2022, 2:15 AM.
https://www.cbsnews.com/pittsburgh/news/federal-prosecutors-seeking-to-question-robert-bowers-in-person-about-rights-waivers
RTAM, you might make an inquiry to the LA County Chair. She’s hoping to do for national what she’s already done to LA.
Meanwhile, the mises wing of LAMA has filed another appeal to the Judicial Committee, this time claiming that they are the state affiliate, and on for many pages. Readers will note that there can be no meaningful outcome here, since the delegate list is in the hands of the credentials committee, and recognition as being the affiliate has no consequences. The number of allegedly affected parties is large. Also, the appeal cannot be heard until after the national convention, at which point some people may not wish to be associated with national.
Lots of comments about the upcoming national convention. I know nothing about the disputes or factions involved. But my question still stands.
Why are there no Libertarian candidates on my California June Primary ballot?
No LPC candidates running for state office. And none in the Los Angeles area.
The Green Party and the Peace & Freedom Party both have several candidates.
Even the Constitution Party, which is not ballot qualified, managed to run a candidate (Don Grundmann) as an independent. In his candidate statement, Grundmann says he represents the Constitution Party. So the CP is represented.
But the LPC has not a single candidate on the ballot. Why? What happened?
Carol Moore is a joke. She’s jealous her communist wing of the party doesn’t have the influence it once did.
It should be obvious to everyone that you’re the actual troll here. You make outrageous statements like the one at 03:06 and attribute to me what you’re doing yourself. Your incessant comments about titty models is proof enough. And you claim to be a journalist but I haven’t seen any journalism from you. And no, connecting the latest Bruce Willis film to your favorite titty model is not journalism. Buzz off!
I am so tired of you attacking women. This is beyond the pale. I can be civil when you are but I’ll never be cool with a FUCKING FASCIST like you. I see exactly what you’re doing here and I’ll nip it in the bud before it goes in the direction you want to steer it. It’s all fun and games until you start hurting people and I’ll do what I need to to keep you in check.
Wow! I thought we were cool again. What set you off now?
Don’t trust RPC. He’s a menace. He’ll lull you in and make you think he’s on your side and then he’ll blindside you with a vicious statement. He’ll try to get you banned from social media. He’s a LITERAL FASCIST. He routinely makes antisemitic, racist, homophobic, transphobic, and ableist comments. He doesn’t care how his hateful vitriol harms society. For instance: during the Charlottesville incident, he joked about Heather Heyer’s death. He called her a whale and praised her murderer. He mocked George Floyd and called Derek Chauvin a hero. He participated in the disgusting Twitter practice in a comment thread where one user posts an N and then another posts an I and so on until they spell out the N-word. He has an obsession with Michelle Obama’s genitals and claims she is transgender.
Look, I am not a SJW. I am not hypersensitive to things. I am a centrist. But I won’t standby as RPC runs roughshod playing games and trolling a great site like this.
Just a little warning for anyone who cares.
Ouch. Good to know that RPC isn’t a sock for Seebeck. Maybe Steve is, while Guess is Andy. Or maybe everyone is Paulie.
Nobody wants to see her nude. She’s not even mildly attractive. Come up with a better argument.
I said abusive conduct, not content, so I’ll bet you already have some of her live streams in mind. Simp all you want, Steve. Caryn Ann is never going to leak nudes to her Patreon supporters. Try asking Carol Moore.
Vermin Supreme discharged his job in a competent manner.
The computer under my desk can do 4.5 teraflops, single precision.
What abusive content? If she is abusive then so is Bilyeu, Phillips, Hogarth, Adams, Longstreth, etc. Why haven’t they been removed?
This is politics, plain and simple. CAH is a whistleblower and the corrupt members like Longstreth and Bilyeu couldn’t take that.
The JC is a joke because they have Vermin Supreme on it, which shows you how they aren’t serious and don’t care about actual bylaws. He’s not even a libertarian, he’s just a communist with a boot on his head. Ruwart is really the only good member on that board,
If LPMC support were the issue, then they would have gone straight for Smith. Harlos wasn’t even a caucus member at that point. They removed her for her habitually abusive conduct toward other officers and for using her secretarial position to profit off the drama she placed herself at the center of and exacerbated. I’m sure she would like to believe it was for her commitment to transparency and because most of the LNC is corrupt, sexist, ableist, threatened by her purity and radicalism, etc., but her reputation for being hostile and histrionic is well earned.
To be clear, I don’t think she should’ve been removed and probably would’ve voted with Moellman to abstain. If the LNC were a corporate board, she would’ve been kicked to the curb a long time ago, but as an elected officer, the threshold for expulsion should be exceptionally high. (Not as astronomically high as I think Harlos believes, but higher than simply terminating an employee for bad behavior.) But her belief that the LNC removing her proves it’s corrupt, and that the JC ruling that the LNC did not violate party bylaws proves it’s corrupt, is just self-indulgent nonsense.
CAH is not typical Mises Caucus material. She is deeply into the history of the LP, whereas they see the party pre-takeover as a pathetic joke, and she’s a culturally liberal-to-the-point-of-libertine, self-described SJW who loves to draw attention to her body while constantly dropping hints that she’s sexually into women, whereas culturally they’re into 90s Rothbard, Rockwell, and Hoppe. Part of me wonders if the caucus’s devotion to Harlos is not based on “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”–at least until after Reno. I imagine the fondness will quickly wear off.
“Andy tells”? I guess that’s a guess, I guess.
Should read should read the comments at
https://ballot-access.org/2021/07/12/whitney-bilyeu-is-new-chair-of-libertarian-party/
Should read should read should read those comments.
Sam is perhaps unfamiliar with modern electronics. ‘a telephone on the desk’ does not mean you are using a land line, only that you are using a working hand set rather than a piece of electrical junk.
With respect to Massachusetts the actions of the JC have been reported to the LNC
https://groups.google.com/a/lp.org/g/lnc-business/c/HP0eESgID0c
Full minutes not finished, but just to keep you informed, the Credentials Committee took the following actions this evening regarding Delaware and Massachusetts, both of which have had two delegations submitted:
(1) Chris Vellrath, Bill Hinds, Carter Hill, and Dave Casey are the recognized delegates from the Libertarian Party of Delaware.
The first action was without objection.
(2) Josh Anderson, Jason Brand, Nathan Brand, Andrew Cordio, Patrick Douglas, Thomas Eddlem, Brodi Elwood, Dan Garrity, Janel Holmes, Charlie Larkin, Jacob Nemchenok, Thomas Silvia, John Pazinokas, Stephanie Pazinokas, David Redding, Christopher Thrasher, and Brian Zakrajsek are the recognized delegates from the Libertarian Association of Massachusetts.
The second action was debated and passed with four ‘ayes’ and three abstentions.
Hogarth did not vote against.
In my opinion the issue with Harlos was not her Mises membership. If it had been, several other LNC members would have been out the door. The delegation of the recognized Massachusetts affiliate was rejected by the Credentials Committee with no votes against.
Sarwark did indeed say there was another way, which is as is visible the new Libertarian candidate for Governor, with more coming.
Interesting. Not just one, but two Andy tells in a row.
Also non-presidential not min-.
Typo above, listing should be losing.
According to Mrs. Hogarth she was outvoted on the Massachusetts delegation issue on the credentials committee. Allegedly there are or will be public minutes, although I did not see them myself, at least yet. Being committee chair does not mean she could not have been on the listing side of a vote. As for Mrs. Hogarth vs Mrs. Harlos I get the impression it’s personal between them since they used to be very good friends.
Lots of people still use landlines and, yes, postal mail. People who live rural, for example. In some rural areas cell phone signal and Wi-Fi sucks, and cell phones are primarily only good for texting, with the texts sometimes taking hours to go through. These folks have to get in their trucks and drive sometimes an hour or more to get a signal that is good enough for voice calls or smart phone apps. Most people who live rural are not full time farmers, and most of them spend a lot of their days in town and do have cell phones as well as landlines. Incidentally, people who live rural vote in higher proportion than urban dwellers. Another group that tend to still have landlines is older people. They also tend to vote in higher proportion than young people. Half the voters in 2020 were over 50 and a quarter were over 65, and it tends to skew even older in min-presidential years.
See this comment thread to learn more about the Bilyeu controversy:
https://ballot-access.org/2021/07/12/whitney-bilyeu-is-new-chair-of-libertarian-party/
Phillies obviously does not read the list. Look at Hogarth’s words and actions against Mises supporter Caryn Ann Harlos.
Sarwark was involved in NH. “There’s another way”, remember that quote? What about the fact Sarwark supported the attempted corruption at the PA convention with the fake chair? The delegates overruled it and an acting chair was chosen.
Bilyeu supports the fake LAMA that threw out 47 members because they signed a petition. Bilyeu is very close with one of the main architects and fake libertarian Tara DeSisto. Together they and Ashley Shade worked to purge members who signed a recall petition. Recall petitions are allowed per their bylaws, but apparently that’s considered aggression in their corrupt minds. I hope they never sign recall petitions against any elected officials or they are hypocrites.
Phillies admitted he has a phone on his desk. Who even has a landline these days? The man is out of touch with the modern world and judging by his comments supports corruption and fake libertarians. He’s probably still crying over Bill Weld leaving the party.
Sam should realize that JBH, Nick Sarwark, and Whitney Bilyeu are three different people. I have no idea what JBH thought he was doing, but it appears to have been inadvisable. Sarwark was very carefully not involved in the NH whatever-it-was-supposed-to-be, for obvious reasons. Massachusetts acted on its own initiative without Whitney or Sarwark intervening. Delaware did the same. LAMA is preexisting and continues to exist.
Delegate lists have been distributed electronically at least as far back as the late 1990s. I am quite sure that the telephone on my desk does not have a rotary dial. Sam’s claim that Hogarth does not keep supporting Mises needs some evidence, ike a vote of hers against the Mises contingent. The evidence is inapparent. Oh, the first computer for which I wrote a program was a PDP-1, almost 60 years ago.
What evidence is there that Bilyeu is a corrupt chair? It takes more to qualify than not automatically siding with the paleo-edgelord ancap faction every time there’s a dispute within a state affiliate.
Phillies forgot JBH attempted to steal NH. Phillies forgot Sarwark was involved too. Sarwark also pushed Bill Weld and his ilk.
Bilyeu has attempted to steal Delaware and Massachusetts. I wouldn’t be surprised if she had a hand in New Hampshire too. There are rumors Richard Longstreth is also a key player in this.
Phillies also needs to realize Hogarth is not Mises. Perhaps he needs to upgrade his Apple II and rotary phone to modern technology instead of waiting by the mailbox for delegate lists.
Sam is a fine example of a Mises supporter. Does physical mail work? He would be surprised.
I read the LNC public list regularly. Perhaps Sam should realize that the Credentials Committee and the Judicial Committee are not the same as the LNC.
With some regularity, Mises folks claim corruption but do not give examples. Sam, if you are looking for interesting finances, why not start with the Mises Caucus’s boss. For a real demonstration of interesting behavior, ask when the Mises caucus will get to elect its Lord Leader or whatever he is styled at the moment.
No, I am upset because of the level of creative behavior being seen here.
I’m the fellow who urged Joshua Smith to run for National Chair.
Phillies is once again showing what a joke he is. Mailings? It’s 2022, not 1982. Who even reads physical mail these days?
Phillies is mad because the Sarwark-JBH-Bilyeu corruption triangle has rightly been exposed and their allies like Phillies will likely lose at convention. The LNC is not pro-Mises in fact most of it is quite the opposite. He obviously has no idea how to read the public list. Phillies is always welcome to leave the party and join the Democrats where he belongs.
The Sparks Libertarian Party National Convention Is Now Arguably Invalid
Actions were taken that cannot be reversed and that made it impossible for LP candidates to campaign effectively. Also, the Credentials Committee has de facto validated the Massachusetts and Delaware Mises delegates I am no longer on Facebook. Please publicize this widely there.
Courtesy of The Golden Wedge, a publication of Gold Wedge Group
observations dot goldwedge dot org
The Libertarian Party will hold a national convention in less than three weeks. In the months prior to convention, it is traditional for candidates for internal offices and other party members to send mailings to convention delegates to inform them of their options prior to the start of the convention.
This is so common that the Libertarian Party bylaws explicitly protect the right of any member to receive a copy of the delegate list for an upcoming convention.
Article 10, Section 5: Delegate List:
Any Party member shall be provided, upon request and payment of copying and mailing costs, a list of the names and addresses of all delegates selected to attend and those who actually attended the most recent two conventions, with those who attended clearly identified, and all delegates / alternates selected to the upcoming convention, if available.
The current Credentials Committee chair, Susan Hogarth, has not distributed the list of delegates to anyone prior to May 2, which is less than four weeks prior to the opening gavel, even though previous credentials committees have sent partial and past delegate lists out many months in advance. Whether this is purposeful to prevent party members from communicating with delegates or just an inability to compile the list in a timely manner, it has the effect of preventing party members from effectively communicating with the delegates who will represent their interests at convention.
In her announcement email, Ms. Hogarth added her own set of restrictions on the delegate list:
This list of the delegates and alternates for LNC2022 with mailing addresses is being provided to you by the interim Chair of the Credentials Committee, Susan Hogarth. The list is current as of but the list will be changing as delegations are updated by the affiliate Chairs. Please feel free to request an updated list. Only the individual requesting and receiving this list is authorized to use it, and this excludes sharing the information with any organization of which you may be a member. This list is provided with the understanding that you are a national Party member in good standing. A list of delegate/alternate names is available publicly. This list differs in having attached the mailing addresses of each delegate/alternate, and is provided in compliance with current Libertarian Party Bylaws. You may not breach the privacy of delegates/alternates by sharing or selling this list with mailing addresses.
While these may be restrictions that the current Credentials Committee would like people who receive the delegate list to abide by, there is no authority in the bylaws for any restrictions on the use of the list of convention delegates by party members who request a copy of the delegate list.
The Credentials Committee is also dealing with two delegate lists received for both Delaware and Massachusetts, due to conflict between competing factions in those state affiliates. Prior practice when receiving competing delegations has been for the Credentials Committee to list both groups as submitted delegates in the list distributed to members and leave the decision of which delegation to seat to the delegates at convention, but the Mises Caucus dominated committee decided to select the Mises Caucus supported group from each state, without any justification or authority and during a pending Judicial Committee appeal regarding Massachusetts.
It is clear that the Mises Caucus and their allies and agents on the Libertarian National Committee and the various convention committees are willing to use whatever powers they have to stack the deck.
Whether these actions are being taken out of loyalty or fear is left as an exercise for the reader.
I too noticed the lack of LPCA candidates. No idea what happened. Maybe Starchild will chime in.
I’ve not been able to find any Libertarians on the June Primary ballot here in California. At least not in the Los Angeles area.
Plenty of Green Party candidates, and Peace & Freedom Party candidates. But no Libertarians.
Does anyone know why the LPC is MIA this year?
jared, I have in my life a one count conviction in federal court in 1985.
Feds,
Fool me once, shame on YOU.
Fool me twice, shame on ME!
Milnes,
Be thankful you weren’t served a restraining order.
My sources from within the Pittsburgh Federal Public Defenders Office say the letter was placed in file 13. There’s a toilet paper shortage in the office and there’s a rumor that the letter was used by lower level workers to wipe their anuses after defecating.
IPR readers FYI:
I still have not received a return receipt from the certified letter I sent to Federal Public Defenders in Pittsburgh, PA.
It is a copy of my letter to the presiding judge in the Robert Bowers case.
I long ago received the return receipt from the Court Clerk and the Office of the US Attorney.
I have no explanation.
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