Obama and Romney have forsaken the American Dream. A declaration is an affirmation. Independence means self-government. They could have called The Declaration of Independence, The Affirmation of Self-Government!
Gary Johnson and Judge Jim Gray are the only choice to Save the American Dream: Self-Government , freedom from big government tyranny and oppression…. and to Restore Justice, the guardian of Liberty!
mscrib
September 13, 2012
This is a reasonable response from Johnson. Agenda 21 is a red herring. Its policy conclusions and means of enactment as described or implied were already occurring decades before 1992’s Rio Earth Summit. Urban growth and service boundaries, fenvironmental zoning regulations, and metropolitan transportation planning (driven by 1991’s ISTEA) were in place at the local and state levels across the U.S. for years, beginning in the 1970s. It is more likely the U.S. influenced Agenda 21 than Agenda 21 is influence the U.S. Your city, county, and state officials had done this years before and continue to do it. Don’t blame the feds (too much) or the U.N. Blame your neighbors and local politicians and bureaucrats.
Gov. Johnson begins his response by saying he is against Agenda 21. Then he just mentions that it never came up while he was Governor.
Just imagine how much more effective Willard would be if he said “of course I am against a mandate to buy insurance. It just never came up while I was Governor of whatever state I was Governor of.”
Dave
September 13, 2012
Agenda 21 is out there, but most people haven’t heard about it, so talking about this program, probably does candidates more harm. This country is going down the tubes and why should concentrate on Agenda 21. I would just say that the UN is a problem and move on.
just American
September 13, 2012
This is the kind of thing that makes Congressman Goode or Ms. Barr seem much more geopolitically astute. Johnson comes off as flaky here.
Perhaps there is some venue where Gov. Johnson could sit down for an interview or discussion with Gov. Ventura, who has endorsed GJ. I’d like to see Johnson’s response to Gov. Ventura’s assertion that the CIA has an operation in every state capital which typically confronts new Governors as soon as they’re inaugurated. Johnson has alluded to something similar in re the Roswell incident. Some straight answers on that and all the other covert federal activity in New Mexico from Gov. Johnson would be quite welcome.
Dan
September 13, 2012
Please excuse my poor spelling – Mr. Hand and Mr. Brain seem to be having a tiff this morning.
Dan
September 13, 2012
@ 6
You are correct, sir. I was not only a resident of NM while Gary was governor, I held elective office and was active in both the state GOP and various libertarian leaning organizations. Has this been any kind of an issue at all, we would have been screaming bloody murder.
“trying to get the votes of millions of independents, Republicans, and Democrats.”
But independents (generally moderates) Democrats and Republicans aren’t going to vote for Gary Johnson. They are going to vote for Romney or Obama. Alex Jones listeners might.
Be Rational
September 13, 2012
Agenda 21 is a United Nations bloviation.
Nearly all UN programs, campaigns, and undertakings consist of hot air and fluff, designed to support the status, importance and high pay of UN delegates and bureaucrats. They have little substance or effect and are largely ignored around the world.
So, Agenda 21 makes some people look important and busy, it gives some politicians a chance to appeal to the lefty, greeny, UN lovers, and it gives some overly sensitive individuals something else to worry and lose sleep over.
It is quite believable that no “Agenda 21” related items ever landed on Gary Johnson’s desk during his 8 years as Governor.
In terms of real world impact, Agenda 21 barely exists in a few places and doesn’t exist in the rest.
Trent Hill
September 13, 2012
Pandering to the couple thousand Alex Jones libertarians is much less important than trying to get the votes of millions of independents, Republicans, and Democrats.
Jill Pyeatt
September 13, 2012
Agenda 21 is NOT a conspiracy theory. It is a living breathing program being implemented across the globe. Everyone needs to know about this insidious threat to our freedoms. I cannot say this strongly enough. A good book about it is called “Behind the Green Mask” by Rosa Koire.
Oranje Mike
September 12, 2012
No ambition? Tell that to the people that go door to door with nomination petitions, lead registration drives, donate their precious time for local events or travel to Vegas for a convention.
Narrow range of ideology? Because we’re upset with frauds like WAR?
Please elaborate.
Root Sucks
September 12, 2012
You LP folks have no ambition and have such an incredibly narrow acceptable range of ideology. Honestly, you’d give the Left a run for its money if there were a factionalism olympics.
@4 Doesn’t GJ have the Alex Jones vote locked down? Or is it simply a matter of getting that enormously large constituency to the polls? Have some imagination and have some ambition. If the LP starts taking itself seriously, others will too.
This makes seem much more serious – not pandering to the kooks. I think this sort of thing, plus his statements against interventionism and against the drug war make him more acceptable to non-Libertarian Party members.
Austin Battenberg
September 12, 2012
To me, it seemed harmless. He is basically saying that nobody tried to ram agenda 21 done the throat of New Mexico while he was governor. He didn’t say that Agenda 21 didn’t exist, he just meant that Agenda 21 didn’t exist in the eight years he was governor of the state of New Mexico. He could have phrased it better though.
Austin Battenberg
September 12, 2012
People who others consider “conspiracy theorists” tend to be pretty anti-government, and thus somewhat libertarian. That is why this was not a wise move, because they DO vote, and they DO have passion.
That being said, I don’t think it really matters. Those people probably weren’t going to vote for him anyway, as most of them believe that Johnson is connected to the CFR because of one of his close advisers who is a member. So already that automatically disqualifies him. Any thoughts on that?
Obama and Romney have forsaken the American Dream. A declaration is an affirmation. Independence means self-government. They could have called The Declaration of Independence, The Affirmation of Self-Government!
Gary Johnson and Judge Jim Gray are the only choice to Save the American Dream: Self-Government , freedom from big government tyranny and oppression…. and to Restore Justice, the guardian of Liberty!
This is a reasonable response from Johnson. Agenda 21 is a red herring. Its policy conclusions and means of enactment as described or implied were already occurring decades before 1992’s Rio Earth Summit. Urban growth and service boundaries, fenvironmental zoning regulations, and metropolitan transportation planning (driven by 1991’s ISTEA) were in place at the local and state levels across the U.S. for years, beginning in the 1970s. It is more likely the U.S. influenced Agenda 21 than Agenda 21 is influence the U.S. Your city, county, and state officials had done this years before and continue to do it. Don’t blame the feds (too much) or the U.N. Blame your neighbors and local politicians and bureaucrats.
Austin @ 6 & Be Rational @ 12 are both correct.
Gov. Johnson begins his response by saying he is against Agenda 21. Then he just mentions that it never came up while he was Governor.
Just imagine how much more effective Willard would be if he said “of course I am against a mandate to buy insurance. It just never came up while I was Governor of whatever state I was Governor of.”
Agenda 21 is out there, but most people haven’t heard about it, so talking about this program, probably does candidates more harm. This country is going down the tubes and why should concentrate on Agenda 21. I would just say that the UN is a problem and move on.
This is the kind of thing that makes Congressman Goode or Ms. Barr seem much more geopolitically astute. Johnson comes off as flaky here.
Perhaps there is some venue where Gov. Johnson could sit down for an interview or discussion with Gov. Ventura, who has endorsed GJ. I’d like to see Johnson’s response to Gov. Ventura’s assertion that the CIA has an operation in every state capital which typically confronts new Governors as soon as they’re inaugurated. Johnson has alluded to something similar in re the Roswell incident. Some straight answers on that and all the other covert federal activity in New Mexico from Gov. Johnson would be quite welcome.
Please excuse my poor spelling – Mr. Hand and Mr. Brain seem to be having a tiff this morning.
@ 6
You are correct, sir. I was not only a resident of NM while Gary was governor, I held elective office and was active in both the state GOP and various libertarian leaning organizations. Has this been any kind of an issue at all, we would have been screaming bloody murder.
“trying to get the votes of millions of independents, Republicans, and Democrats.”
But independents (generally moderates) Democrats and Republicans aren’t going to vote for Gary Johnson. They are going to vote for Romney or Obama. Alex Jones listeners might.
Agenda 21 is a United Nations bloviation.
Nearly all UN programs, campaigns, and undertakings consist of hot air and fluff, designed to support the status, importance and high pay of UN delegates and bureaucrats. They have little substance or effect and are largely ignored around the world.
So, Agenda 21 makes some people look important and busy, it gives some politicians a chance to appeal to the lefty, greeny, UN lovers, and it gives some overly sensitive individuals something else to worry and lose sleep over.
It is quite believable that no “Agenda 21” related items ever landed on Gary Johnson’s desk during his 8 years as Governor.
In terms of real world impact, Agenda 21 barely exists in a few places and doesn’t exist in the rest.
Pandering to the couple thousand Alex Jones libertarians is much less important than trying to get the votes of millions of independents, Republicans, and Democrats.
Agenda 21 is NOT a conspiracy theory. It is a living breathing program being implemented across the globe. Everyone needs to know about this insidious threat to our freedoms. I cannot say this strongly enough. A good book about it is called “Behind the Green Mask” by Rosa Koire.
No ambition? Tell that to the people that go door to door with nomination petitions, lead registration drives, donate their precious time for local events or travel to Vegas for a convention.
Narrow range of ideology? Because we’re upset with frauds like WAR?
Please elaborate.
You LP folks have no ambition and have such an incredibly narrow acceptable range of ideology. Honestly, you’d give the Left a run for its money if there were a factionalism olympics.
@4 Doesn’t GJ have the Alex Jones vote locked down? Or is it simply a matter of getting that enormously large constituency to the polls? Have some imagination and have some ambition. If the LP starts taking itself seriously, others will too.
This makes seem much more serious – not pandering to the kooks. I think this sort of thing, plus his statements against interventionism and against the drug war make him more acceptable to non-Libertarian Party members.
To me, it seemed harmless. He is basically saying that nobody tried to ram agenda 21 done the throat of New Mexico while he was governor. He didn’t say that Agenda 21 didn’t exist, he just meant that Agenda 21 didn’t exist in the eight years he was governor of the state of New Mexico. He could have phrased it better though.
People who others consider “conspiracy theorists” tend to be pretty anti-government, and thus somewhat libertarian. That is why this was not a wise move, because they DO vote, and they DO have passion.
That being said, I don’t think it really matters. Those people probably weren’t going to vote for him anyway, as most of them believe that Johnson is connected to the CFR because of one of his close advisers who is a member. So already that automatically disqualifies him. Any thoughts on that?
“Johnson refuses to cater to the Alex Jones drones” i.e. people who might actually vote for him. Good strategy.
BREAKING: Johnson refuses to cater to the Alex Jones drones.
But really, this is great stuff. I like Johnson more and more everyday.
I agree with Red. There was no reason to throw that comment in at the end.
Get the popcorn. This should be fun.
At any rate, whatever you think about Agenda 21, this was an unwise thing to say. It suggests to me that Johnson doesn’t understand his audience.