From Constitution Party National Chairman Frank Fluckiger:
2014 was a significant building block on our way to success. We had more than 150 Constitution Party candidates from sheriff to Congressional seats, prepared for 2015 by balancing the books with a successful year-end “Money Bomb,”and we now have more ballot qualified affiliates as we aim for 2016.
To say thank you is simply not enough. Your generosity, your stamina doing the hard work of electioneering, and your courage to uphold our Constitution Party and its principles is inspiring. I wish there was a stronger word I could use to describe how I feel.
Looking back, as you see in the attached newsletter, gives a perspective and an assessment of where we are. I hope you will take advantage of contacting state leaders (found on page five) so we can go forward with candidate recruitment plans, new literature to distribute, recruiting candidates, training campaign volunteers, and the all-important drive to gain ballot access in many key states. All that takes financial support, and I urge you to re-invest in the Constitution Party.
Why?
Because, as Thomas Jefferson once said:
A sense of this necessity, and a submission to it, is to me a new and consolatory proof that wherever the people are well informed they can be trusted with their own government; that whenever things get so far wrong as to attract their notice, they may be relied on to set them to rights.
We must inform our fellow citizens so they wake up to see how far America has gone down the wrong road — away from the Constitution and ignoring wise advice of the Founding Fathers.
Please take a moment to underwrite our Party’s goal of voter education, motivation, and political action. A gift of $25 or $50 or $250 is important to get the ball rolling. I will soon layout specifics of next steps for the Constitution Party. In the meantime, please accept my heartfelt thanks for all you do.
Gratefully,
Frank Fluckiger
National Chairman
Should read, “government paid internet troll…”
Cody, I have good reasons to believe that these attacks are coming from a government paid internet who is out to sabotage the Libertarian Party and movement in this country. They are attacking Paul, Jake., myself, and a few others, because we have been among the few people who have done any great amount of pro-liberty field activism, in addition to online activism, plus we are among the few people who have worked in the petition business who are libertarian activists (most of the people in the petition business are un-philosophical mercenaries or are other types of non-libertarians). This is just their latest attempt to smear us.
I don’t know if he is actually a real nazi. The troll attacks started with attacks against myself and several petitioners in the LP that I work(ed) with and then the racist stuff started getting thrown in later. I don’t know if he really even cares about Virgil so much as hating myself, Andy and anyone we associate with.
Why would a Nazi online troll be eager to defend a former Presidential candidate of the CP?
The plot thickens…
Should read, “Either a nutcase….”
What kind of person would claim that they had less signatures and a lower validity rate than what a state election office reports? Either nutcase, a person who does not really want to be on the ballot, or a person who is trying to weasel out of paying money owed.
https://independentpoliticalreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/DOC.pdf see page 2.
This chickenshit “Shocker” is obviously a paid government troll.
Virgil Goode is a lying piece of shit. The Alabama Secretary of State sent a letter to each candidate, as in Gary Johnson, Jill Stein, and Virgil Goode, informing them of how many signatures they had, and whether or not they made the ballot. Johnson and Stein both got the letters, and we were paid out on everything we were owed, although there was a delay. Virgil Goode claimed to not get the letter! So I emailed him a scan of it. Then he claimed again that he did not get it, so I emailed it to him again. Then Virgil claimed that we had less signatures and a lower validity rate than what the Alabama Secretary of State’s office reported, even though he had no evidence to back this up. I have NEVER heard of a petition proponent claim less signatures and a lower validity rate than what is reported by a state election office. This is completely idiotic, and was an obvious excuse to weasel out of paying the rest of the money.
Once again, Virgil had agreed to pay for 8,000 raw signatures to meet the 5,000 valid requirement, and later he even said he was willing to pay for 8,500 or 9,000 raw signatures. Even at the original 8,000, this comes out to a 62.5% validity rate needed to make the 5,000 valid requirement. The Alabama Secretary of State’s office reported that we had 7,865 (I’d have to look it up to confirm that, but I am pretty sure that is correct) signatures, and our validity was in the 70’s% or 80’s%, so Virgil Goode had more than 5,000 valid signatures and that he qualified for the ballot. This should have been the end of the discussion, and he should have paid the rest of the money (like Johnson/LP ans Stein did), but instead, Virgil only paid for 7,000 signatures, and he also reneged on reimbursing me for the photo copying the petitions, 100% of which came out of my pocket.
A Constitution Party National Committee employee even told Virgil to pay us, and Virgil still would not do it, which lead to this person saying that dealing with Virgil is “impossible.”
It appears to be the same person as Vernon aka Nazi Troll. We usually 86 those comments but I was offline and didn’t see it that night and I guess no one caught it this time. I’m leaving it up only because people responded, otherwise I would remove the “shocker” comments.
I think I’d would take Andy’s side on this; several CP leaders I’ve dealt with in the past have behaved in a two-faced manner on several matters that I tried to help them with, only to get unjustly stabbed in the back as a result, especially on my former ‘Clarion Call To Unite Committe’.
Therefore it’s obvious that me & Andy have had the same experience with the CP.
‘Shocker’, how about you identify yourself?
The letters from Virgil Goode refuting Andy Jacobs’ allegations
https://petitionerblacklist.wordpress.com/
“Either post your number here, or send me a phone number in an email.”
Not going to happen. The last time I gave someone my phone number as William Saturn I thereafter received a barrage of unwanted phone calls for several months. Anything to be said can be said via e-mail.
I tell you what William Saturn, or Jed, or anyone else who has commented on this, give me some money and I will pay for an attorney to write another letter to Virgil Goode, and then give me some more money for travel expenses, court fees, and process server fees, and I will gladly file a law suit over this situation.
Virgil’s response was filled with lies. He had agreed to pay for 8,000 raw sigs to get the 5,000 valid necessary to get him on the ballot, but then he later said that he’d pay for more than 8,000 (he said that he’d pay for 8,500 or even 9,000). Due to petitioners getting run out of locations illegally by the police, bureaucrats, etc…, we fell short of the 8,000, however, we did get 7,865 (I’d have to go back and check the email from the Alabama Secretary of State for the exact number, but going from memory I think that was correct). Virgil only paid for 7,000 signatures. He said that he was going to pay for the rest, but he never did. I have this from him in writing. The validity rate that was reported from the Alabama Secretary of State was high, so even though we came in with less than 8,000 signatures, he still had well over the 5,000 valid signatures needed to make the ballot.
There was also the issue of the reimbursement for the photo copies for the petition sheets used, 100% of which was paid for OUT OF MY POCKET. It is customary on all petition drives I have ever worked on or heard of for the petition proponent to pay for the copies of the petition sheets, and that was a part of this deal, and when we worked the Constitution Party petition in North Dakota earlier that year we did in fact get reimbursed for the photo copies. Virgil said that he was going to reimburse me for the photo copies, and I sent him the photo copy receipts multiple times, and he NEVER sent me the reimbursement like he said he would.
He came up with excuse after excuse before going out of communication, and it was well after this that I finally went to attorneys to send Demand for Payment Letters to Virgil Goode, as well as to the Constitution Party National Committee, and to an employee of the Constitution Party National Committee. The first letter was ignored, but the asshole (Goode) did end up responding to the second letter. Like I said above, I was going to have the attorneys I consulted with to send a third letter, but the only problem was that they were going to charge me a lot more money for a third letter, so this is the only reason that I did not do it.
The attorneys said that they thought I’d win a law suit, but, like I said above, the problem is that I am on the road most of the year and it takes months to get a hearing, and there can be multiple hearings, and there are court fees, plus you’ve got to pay for process servers to serve those being sued with the suit.
How much f’ing money should I have to spend trying to recoup $2,000?
Virgil Goode is a liar and a two-faced weasel. One of his excuses was that a lot of the signatures were not valid, which is a flat out fucking lie.
First off, the deal was NOT a pay per valid deal, it was a pay per raw deal with a high enough validity rate to get him on the ballot, which we did. If it had been a pay per valid signature deal, he would have had to have paid a much higher rate than he paid (I’d say at least $4-$5 per valid signature), because we would not have agreed to work that cheap on a pay per valid deal.
Second of all, HE HAS NO FUCKING CLUE WHICH SIGNATURES ARE VALID AND WHICH ONES ARE NOT BECA– USE HE DOES NOT HAVE ACCESS TO AN UP-TO-DATE ALABAMA REGISTERED VOTER LIST (they charge an outrageous fee for such a list in Alabama, like $50,000 or something like that).
Finally, the Alabama Secretary of State’s office reported a high validity rate, and he did make the ballot. It is the Alabama Secretary of State’s office that determines the validity of petition signatures, and they said that the validity rate was good and they placed Virgil Goode on the ballot. So Virgil is trying to claim that our validity rate was lower than what the Alabama Secretary of State’s office reported. THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST IDIOTIC THINGS I’VE EVER HEARD OF IN BALLOT ACCESS WORK, AND IS CLEARLY JUST AN EXC– USE TO WEASEL OUT OF PAYING. The Secretary of State’s office determines what is a valid signature and what is not. So the bottom line is that the Alabama Secretary of State’s office said that we collected more than enough valid signatures to meet the 5,000 signature requirement (and remember, Virgil agreed to pay for 8,000 raw signatures, and then he said that he’d pay for more than that).
Now here is something else to consider. We also worked to place Libertarian Party candidate for President Gary Johnson on the ballot, and Green Party candidate Jill Stein on the ballot, and we were successful with both of those petitions as well. Notice how I am not on here complaining about being ripped off on those petitions? Why am I not complaining about being ripped off on those petitions? BECA– USE WE GOT PAID FOR THOSE PETITIONS (although there was a long delay which I did complain about at the time).
Gary Johnson (and LP national) and Jill Stein paid, so this is why I am not complaining about them. I did not get paid in full for Virgil Goode, which is why I am still complaining about this every time I see anything about Virgil Goode or the Constitution Party, or Frank Fluckiger, who gave me his word that I’d be paid, but who has thus far not lived up to his word.
So if I was the “bad guy” why am I not complaining about being ripped off on the Gary Johnson and Jill Stein petitions? BECA– USE THEY ACTUALLY PAID, UNLIKE VIRGIL GOODE, DUH!
I worked Constitution Party petitions for 2004 and 2008 and you do not see me complaining about that. Why? Because I did not get ripped off then. DUH!
So William Saturn, if you are REALLY interested in the truth, I just laid it out for you, and if you want more information, you know how to get a hold of me.
I find it rather strange how you keep associating with obvious fakes like “Shocker” and “Vernon” and “Nathan Norman” (if this person is real, they’ve got mental problems, but they are likely another fake), etc…
Does anyone here know you off of this website, as in in the real world? Lots of people who post here have met me in person.
“William Saturn
February 2, 2015 at 11:10 pm
Shocker,
Could you e-mail the documents to me? [email protected]”
I have all of this stuff in my email. Virgil Goode’s response to two letters from my attorneys was complete BULLSHIT. I was going to have a third letter written, followed by a law suit, but the reason I have not done this, is BECA– USE IT WAS GOING TO COST ME MORE MONEY TO HAVE AN ATTORNEY WRITE A THIRD LETTER! As for the law suit, I have not filed one due to the reasons stated above, as in being on the road constantly, money and hassle involved with filing a law suit, etc…
William Saturn, why would you take some chickenshit who hides behind a fake name seriously? I have THE SAME FUCKING LETTER, along with the rest of the relevant information in my email, and I’ve also got some other smoking gun evidence that is not currently online.
If you, William Saturn, are for real, then talk to me on the phone. I can provide you with all kinds of evidence. Either post your number here, or send me a phone number in an email.
Perhaps I should get around to posting all of this stuff in an online source that everyone can see. Maybe I should put up a YouTube video about this sometime.
Shocker,
Could you e-mail the documents to me? [email protected]
” I must inform are fellow citizens ”
Should read, “I must inform our fellow citizens…”
“Posting under a real name has never been an IPR rule. Quarantining petitioner bitching so it does not infect other threads is.”
First off, those of us around here know who you are, “Vernon,” or “Ancient Aryan Astronaut,” or whatever other fake names your chickenshit ass has hid behind over the years.
Second of all, every time I see “Constitution Party,” or “Virgil Goode,” or “Frank Fluckiger” mentioned in a thread here, I am going to post a comment about their lack of credibility when it comes to keeping their word, and paying people for work done.
Here are my responses to some quotes from the thread article:
“We must inform our fellow citizens so they wake up to see how far America has gone down the wrong road — away from the Constitution and ignoring wise advice of the Founding Fathers.”
This is great, and to add to this, I must inform are fellow citizens about the lack of credibility of the person who made this statement, as well as a few other people in this party, such as their last candidate for President and current National Committee member, Virgil Goode.
if these people can’t keep their word to the petitioners who helped them get on the ballot then how can we trust them to keep their word about anything else?
“Please take a moment to underwrite our Party’s goal of voter education, motivation, and political action. A gift of $25 or $50 or $250 is important to get the ball rolling. I will soon layout specifics of next steps for the Constitution Party. In the meantime, please accept my heartfelt thanks for all you do.
Gratefully,
Frank Fluckiger
National Chairman”
So how much of this money is going to pay the petitioners who got stiffed in 2012? I know that the Constitution Party is not big, but come on, I’ve been following them for a long time, and I know that they have had money over the past 2 1/2 years. According to the personal financial report that Virgil Goode filed with the FEC he is worth $4 million. Several members of the Constitution Party’s National Committee are attorneys by profession, like Frank Fluckiger. I know damn well that they are not broke. The fact that they do not pay their debts, and that they keep a known liar and thief in Virgil Goode on their National Committee speaks volumes about them, and what it says is not good.
Now once again, I do not want to put down the entire party. I think that there are plenty of decent people in it. I am just pointing out some problems with their national leadership. The party overall does provide a better alternative than the Democrats and Republicans, they just need to do some clean up work with their National Committee, starting with Virgil Goode.
The letters from Virgil Goode refuting Andy Jacobs’ allegations were send to Andy, his attorney T. Andrew Swain of Pittsburgh PA, and to the entire Constitution Party National Committee on November 27, 2013 and Feb 27, 2014, and neither Jacobs nor his attorney replied. I have a copy of Virgil Goode’s letters and can forward them to anyone by request.
What ever happened to the quarantined thread for petitioners bitching? Isn’t it supposed to be removed from all other threads according to IPR rules? I’m shocked – shocked! – to see IPR not enforcing its supposed rules when it comes to personal friends of IPR editors, but other people not only have their comments removed but actually get banned altogether for violating the quarantine rules … exactly like Andy keeps doing. Yet nothing is done about him, not even removing comments much less banning him. Instead you will remove THIS comment pointing out IPR’s blatant double standards.
Posting under a real name has never been an IPR rule. Quarantining petitioner bitching so it does not infect other threads is. Yet my comment pointing out non enforcement of IPR rules and IPR double standards has already been removed once as I predicted. Andy’s comments repeatedly violating IPR rules remain up. What gives?
Andy is lying about the petitioner whining quarantine threads. The original petitioner whining quarantine thread was actually the first quarantine thread on IPR way before Milnes and Ogle got theirs. It was precipitated by endless whining by Andy, Paul, Gary and Jake about Libertarian fundraiser and petition drive manager Scott Kohlhaas allegedly ripping them off, and Libertarian national political director Sean Haugh “ordering” that Fincher’s petitions should be burned. Later topics included Gary Fincher allegedly owing Andy Jacobs a large accumulated debt and Fincher claiming that he did not owe the money because Jacobs allegedly beat him up. If any of these allegations have been retracted I haven’t seen when or where.
Now Jacobs is whining that Virgil Goode allegedly ripped him off, but what he is not saying is that Goode responded to his allegations quite a while ago and copied the Constitution Party National Committee. Has Jacobs responded to that letter?
“You have know idea about which you are speaking.”
Should read, “You have no idea about which you are speaking.”
“about a specific people ”
Should read, “about specific people…”
First off, the petitioner thread was about general petitioning related stuff (really, more like one person whining about a bunch of bullshit that they have since recanted), these are specific comments about a specific people who are members of a party which is in the thread topic ripping off petition circulators, and not keeping their word. So yes, any article that specifically mentioned “Constitution Party,” or “Virgil Goode,” or “Frank Fluckiger” is fair game. The public needs to be alerted of their lack of credibility.
I do not mean to disparage the Constitution Party in general, as in their rank-and-file members, but they clearly need to get rid of Virgil Goode, and a few other people should probably go as well.
Virgil Goode is a sociopath. The rest of the people on the Constitution Party National Committee are probably not sociopaths, but they are either under the influence of the sociopathic Virgil Goode, or they are covering up for Virgil Goode’s sociopathic behavior.
I do not believe that Virgil Goode really cares about the Constitution Party. Virgil Goode is out for Virgil Goode. He just used the Constitution Party because he wanted to run for President and he knew that the Republican Party would not nominate him, and he also knew that getting on the ballot as an independent would have been even more difficult than getting on the ballot as a Constitution Party nominated candidate.
“LibertarianGirl
February 2, 2015 at 9:07 pm
for anyone that doesnt knw andy , unless you want his never ending ire and a very detailed explanation , learn the players who have dogged him in the petitioning world. hes like an elephant , he never forgets anything…:) love ya andy”
Thanks. You don’t need to know everyone who has “dogged” me, but don’t be surprised to see me get angry if I see or hear any of their names mentioned.
for anyone that doesnt knw andy , unless you want his never ending ire and a very detailed explanation , learn the players who have dogged him in the petitioning world. hes like an elephant , he never forgets anything…:) love ya andy
“Shocker
February 2, 2015 at 8:22 pm
What ever happened to the quarantined thread for petitioners bitching?”
Whatever happened to people having the balls to post under a real name? Oh, that’s right, you don’t have any balls. You are a pathetic coward who talks shit while hiding under a fake name. Fuck off and die, keyboard warrior pansy.
“Nathan Norman
February 2, 2015 at 8:46 pm
Andy doesn’t deserve the money. I’ve heard he did a shitty job.”
This is a lie, Virgil Goode did in fact qualify for the Alabama ballot, and the Secretary of State reported a high validity rate. You have know idea about which you are speaking.
“Shocker
February 2, 2015 at 6:55 pm
What ever happened to the quarantined thread for petitioners bitching?”
What ever happened to people having the balls to post under a real name? Oh, that’s right, you don’t have any balls. Now go fuck off and die, coward.
Expect me to keep bringing it up every time I see anything about Virgil Goode and the Constitution Party, that is until I get paid what I am owed.
If initiatives, referendums, and recalls were discussed here more frequently, you may see even more bitching from me if anyone connected to that world who has ripped me off was brought up on this site.
“No, he just said he doesn’t want to publish the article and is tired of seeing this brought up in a non-productive way anytime there’s a Constitution Party story or mention (and many other times).”
Precisely. I’m not saying it isn’t shitty that the petitioners didn’t get paid, I’m saying I don’t consider it newsworthy. If someone else does they’re free to post an article about it, but so far no one has.
“Way to win friends and influence people there, bud.”
Sure doesn’t help his case much.
“Just because someone says something unpleasant sometimes? I wouldn’t worry about that too much.”
I prefer to avoid drama, but it appears I’m bad at it.
No, he just said he doesn’t want to publish the article and is tired of seeing this brought up in a non-productive way anytime there’s a Constitution Party story or mention (and many other times).
If Jed can’t understand what it is like to go out and work and then not get paid, and why a person would be angry whenever they see or hear about the group that ripped him off, then yes, to hell with Jed.
“And this is why I don’t open up about my life much.”
Just because someone says something unpleasant sometimes? I wouldn’t worry about that too much.
“The hell with Jed.”
Way to win friends and influence people there, bud.
Lesiak is actually still signed up to post articles here, they just don’t go live until an editor approves it. If he posts the draft I will approve it. And I’m sure I can find other people to post the article as well, but we need an article to post. That has to be the first step. It does not have to be me or Jed.
Regardless of who does the article or interview- I think a good story is being wasted here by not reporting Andy’s accusations, if indeed he has the evidence to back it up.
I’ll tell you what, somebody line up some work for me where I can be in Alabama for the next year, and I will be happy to file a law suit. The Libertarian Party has not had full party status in Alabama since 2002, and due to low voter turn out, the signature requirement has gone down from around 45,000 valid signatures to around 35,000 valid signatures. So, if you offer me work in Alabama obtaining party status for the Libertarian Party of Alabama, I will drive there right now, and while there I will file a law suit and try to recoup money that I was defrauded out of in 2012 by Virgil Goode and the CP.
The hell with Jed.
And this is why I don’t open up about my life much.
Cody, the answer is no.
Jed, why don’t you just do a online interview with Andy? If he has documented proof and other feasible evidence about what he’s talking about, then these allegations are worthy enough to be covered by IPR, IMO.
“Jed Ziggler Post author
February 1, 2015 at 10:47 pm
Unless and until there’s a lawsuit filed, it’s not a serious complaint as far as I’m concerned, and I’m not interested. Frankly I’m tired of hearing about it.”
So says a guy that doesn’t even work for a living and hardly goes anywhere. I bust my ass and live on the road year round so you’ve got a lot of fucking nerve making a comment like that, as if my getting ripped off out of $2,000 by a political group that is posted about here does not matter.
I just finished some work in a part of California where the motels are really expensive. After the job ended I had no place to stay and the rooms were $80-$100 plus per night, and I did not even have anyone to split a room with, so I had to sleep in my car. Then I had to drive 75 miles to find a place where the motels were cheaper. Oh, and I am out of work now, and since the work in California ended up sucking this time I have been having to dip into my savings to pay for food, gas, etc…
When is the last time you had to sleep in a car, Jed? Or should I have spent $80 to $100 to sleep in some shitty, overpriced motel? Spend that kind of money on motels and you can burn through a lot of money fast, especially when you factor in food and gas.
This is a time when I could use the money that has been stolen from me over the years, so yeah, I get PRETTY PISSED OFF when I see an article about one of the groups that DEFRAUDED me out of money!!!
I was in Alabama last year and I looked into filing a law suit, and I was told that it would take 6 months to get a court hearing. You’ve also got to pay process serves to serve law suit papers on all of the people you are suing, and the process servers charge something like $75-$100 per person they have to serve.
Oh, and then even if you win the case, you may have to spend more money (and time) trying to collect your judgment.
I could represent myself in court, but If I were to hire an attorney, it would be even more expensive.
So tell me Jed, are you going to pay for me to travel back and forth across the country to make court appearances, and are you going to pay for the process server, and are you going to pay any other court fees and other costs associated with recouping my money?
Or perhaps you could just save the trouble and travel and court fees, and pay me $2,000 plus interest out of your own pocket. Are you willing to do this, Jed? If you are you won’t have to see any of my comments on here complaining about this anymore.
Maybe somebody should steal $2,000 from Jed and see how he likes it, that is if Jed had $2,000. Since he probably does not have $2,000, what if somebody went to wherever he lives and stole $2,000 worth of stuff? His computer, his TV set, or whatever else he may have that may come out to $2,000. Let’s say the thief got into minor party or independent candidate politics and ran for office and there were articles about the thief popping up on IPR where the thief was talking about raising money, and getting on the ballot, and what they were going to do once elected, and etc…. I bet that Jed would not be too happy.
Or how about this? Let’s say that Jed actually goes out and gets a job, and then earns $2,000, but does not get paid, and then let’s say that the person who did not pay him decides to run for office as a minor party or independent candidate and has a bunch of articles posted about him here on IPR? I wonder if Jed would get angry every time he saw one of those articles.
If the article gets written I’m sure I can find someone to post it.
Unless and until there’s a lawsuit filed, it’s not a serious complaint as far as I’m concerned, and I’m not interested. Frankly I’m tired of hearing about it.
Bug Jed to do an article then.
Krzysztof Lesiak said he was going to do it back when he was a writer here, but he never did. No other IPR writer ever stepped forward on to do this.
Andy?..
I can’t post it due to being part of the story, but if we get an article submission I am sure I can get someone else here to post it.
Andy, why haven’t you had Paulie, or someone on IPR, do a piece on what you’re talking about?
Seriously, we’re waiting.
It’s not going to happen.
He should mention it so he can raise the money to get everyone paid. This is what he said he was going to do. What happened to keeping your word?
LOL, yeah, like he’s really going to mention that.
He also neglected to mention the petition circulators who did not get paid from 2012, in spite of his personal pledge that they would get paid. Here we are in late January of 2015 and still not even one penny of the money owed.
Such cynicism 🙂
I think he did that on purpose.
Frank forgets to tell us how many states they have ballot access in.
“2014 was a significant building block on our way to success.”
LOL!