Knapp: Replace LP of Florida Exec Comm and Bylaws

Excerpted from a post at Kn@ppster:

Last weekend, LPF’s executive committee voted, with only one “no” vote from Paul Stanton, to surrender to Augustus Invictus, the leader of an authoritarian nationalist hostile takeover attempt of LPF, agreeing to “mediation” of his manufactured complaints in lieu of seeing if he was serious in his threats of frivolous/malicious litigation.

This hostile takeover attempt is now in its third year. It’s time to bring it to an end, and the first step in doing so is to replace each and every executive committee member who betrayed his or her fiduciary duty to the party and threw its members under the bus with this appeasement of the party’s enemies.

If that doesn’t happen, it will be time to ask the Libertarian National Committee to disaffiliate LPF and create a libertarian political party to replace what is fast becoming a front organization for fascist opportunists.

Disaffiliation would, of course, be a direct route to fixing the bylaws/Constitution situation. But it’s far from the best route.

46 thoughts on “Knapp: Replace LP of Florida Exec Comm and Bylaws

  1. Evan Williams

    LNC should disaffiliate Oregon too. Rogue individuals totally disregarding bylaws and rules of party to keep their small group in power so they can send middle finger pictures to people. However, to many in LP this is okay because they are part of their tribe. The hypocrisy in the alleged party of principle is sickening.

  2. paulie

    Evan,

    You may get your wish. It looks like Oregon SOS is switching ballot access to the Burke/Epstein faction today, which means that an LNC motion to switch which group is listed at LP.org, receives LPHQ data dumps, etc will likely be voted on in Pittsburgh next weekend.

  3. LG

    ROFLMAO , while the looong ongoing issue in Oregon has been troubling and divisive and all that…the human beings involved on both sides are nowhere near the same animal as Evictus …Your not taking our party racist , all aggression on board , we’re gonna fight.

  4. Wang Tang-Fu

    ” while the looong ongoing issue in Oregon has been troubling and divisive and all that…the human beings involved on both sides are nowhere near the same animal as Evictus …”

    Good point, Ms. LG.

  5. Thomas L. Knapp

    “Rogue individuals totally disregarding bylaws and rules of party”

    That describes both organization. The different is that the real LPO did so to turn LPO back into an effective libertarian political party while the Burke/Starr impostor organization did so to keep it moribund.

    It will be a sad day if the Oregon SoS and/or the LNC recognize the fraudulent Burke scam as a new affiliate in preference to the real LPO.

  6. Evan Williams

    Paulie: I’m not so sure I’m getting my wish. Seems to me LNC should start from scratch with Oregon. Ballot access is big, but sometimes best to start anew and have a better organization get its own ballot access. Sure you lose the Libertarian name to a group with ballot access with it, but it is not an insurmountable problem.

  7. paulie

    It takes someone with the willingness and resources (time and/or money) to do it. If someone like that can be found, they could certainly petition to become the new LP affiliate. I’m not sure it would go anywhere but they could try. I don’t think the LP wants to pay to create a balloted party from scratch when there already is one, especially if no one is stepping forward on the ground to make it happen.

  8. paulie

    And it’s official…as expected, LPF caved and rolled over for the fascist:

    Statement Regarding Augustus Sol Invictus

    The Libertarian Party of Florida (LPF) has conducted a review of a press release regarding Augustus Sol Invictus that was published on October 5th, 2015, and has concluded that it exceeded the mandate of the executive committee as discussed in its monthly meeting on October 4th, 2015.

    The LPF, in accordance, has withdrawn this press release. Further, two items regarding “eugenics” and “state-sponsored murder” are mentioned in the press release. For example, “unwillingness to reject eugenics”, “call for eugenics”, and so forth.

    Upon review of current information, the LPF concluded that Mr. Invictus, has on at least one occasion before the press release and several times after, disavowed government eugenics programs. And the item of “state-sponsored murder” is ambiguous.

    Finally, the LPF would like to note that Mr. Invictus has always been a member in good standing, is a past Chair of the Libertarian Party of Orange County, a sponsor of the 2016 and 2017 LPF State Conventions, as well as a dedicated volunteer on the Legislative Review Committee.

    Char-Lez Braden, Chairman of the LPF

  9. paulie

    As Paul Stanton says in LPF FB discussion….

    One would think that issuing a positive press release about a neo-nazi (who’s calling for violence against Muslims) would be a poor idea, especially when he’s in the news for allegations of rape and domestic violence – and during an escalation of the war in Syria.

  10. paulie

    Oregon press release from SOS is due to be out at 3 PM West Coast time but we are reasonably sure we know what it will say.

  11. paulie

    New Republican SOS. However, I am also heard a contradicting rumor now, that the announcement will be that they are not making a change. Not sure why they would bother to announce that but we’ll see. We should know by 3 or 4 pm west coast time.

  12. James M. Ray

    Those who think this is over need to google “the Streisand Effect.” Because this effectively guarantees his name will forever be tied to eugenics advocacy. And his YouTube channel means it’ll also be tied to racism.

  13. LG

    “Finally, the LPF would like to note that Mr. Invictus has always been a member in good standing, is a past Chair of the Libertarian Party of Orange County, a sponsor of the 2016 and 2017 LPF State Conventions, as well as a dedicated volunteer on the Legislative Review Committee.”

    me_ fucking vomit. member in good standing?? LPF you have truly lost your way. We need to amputate them if good men dont take it back next month

  14. J Nation

    Lol, what EC position are you running for again? Usually those complaining need to get out of the way of those actual doing something.

  15. Liz

    I am not a fan of many of Invictus’ ideas either, but damn man let it go. The press release stated he advocates for “state-sponsored murder”, that in itself is enough to issue a retraction. It’s not a true statement, even if he did say something on his website about a eugenics program – that is not the same thing as state-sponsored murder. The LPF EC didn’t want to risk emptying out the treasury over this stupid bullshit. Get over it. Show up as a delegate to the convention and help elect new people if you think the EC made a mistake and stop bringing more negative attention by publishing these shitty hit pieces.

  16. paulie

    damn man let it go

    No way. There is no way that fascists gaining a foothold in the LP is something to let go.

    The press release stated he advocates for “state-sponsored murder”

    He does.

    The LPF EC didn’t want to risk emptying out the treasury over this stupid bullshit.

    So any time someone threatens you with a frivolous lawsuit you will fulfill whatever crazy demands they make? Thanks for letting everyone know.

    Get over it.

    No.

    Show up as a delegate to the convention

    Who are you talking to? For example I am not in Florida, but any state affiliate of my national party making itself hospitable to fascism concerns me. The author, Thomas Knapp, has said he does plan to show up as a delegate since he is in Florida.

    stop bringing more negative attention by publishing these shitty hit pieces.

    It’s not a hit piece but a true statement of facts and in no way shitty. As for bringing negative attention the LPF did that with its boneheaded retraction.

  17. paulie

    8:40 PM (4 hours ago)

    to iprtwo, Paul, Adrian, victoria.rice.., Alexandria

    Hi Alexandria, thanks for writing. I’ve just read Mr. Ramsey’s lengthy work of fiction referenced in your note below. I can assure everyone that the parts concerning myself were horribly botched in just about every possible respect so I assume the rest of it is BS also. I’m not sure exactly when I can write another followup article myself (doing a few other things this weekend) but I’ve copied my fellow IPR writers. If one of them want to jump on it I can be reached by phone at 205-534-1622 if they want correction of Reich Wing Ryan Ramsey’s errors about me specifically. Naturally tho, I am the smallest piece of that story, so I am copying Mr. Stanton, Mr. Wyllie and Ms. Rice in case they want to provide any quotes in case one of our writers does a story (or for me to use when I get a chance to write it up). Sorry to hear that Ms. Rice has been outed but obviously that was not my decision and I respected her privacy in that regard as long as everyone else did.

    Regards,

    Paul Frankel

    On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 6:00 PM, Alexandria Brown wrote:

    Paulie,

    Nevermind, there is no way that anyone is backing out of this lawsuit now. It has truly jumped the shark. One of Augustus’ friends posted some defamation of myself and Victoria

    https://libertarianheathen.com/2017/04/07/lpf-under-attack-by-adrian-wyllie-paul-stanton-and-antifa/

    which is either heinous or hilarious, depending on how you look at it. Right now I’m choosing to look at it as hilarious. Augustus himself also issued a public statement naming both myself and Victoria

    https://www.facebook.com/augustus.invictus.3/videos/429293114070456/?pnref=story

    —in case you want to contact Victoria for comment her e-mail is […]

    I made a formal statement in response to Augustus’ video, which you are free to publish:

    I have been given no reason to doubt the credibility of his former fianceé Victoria’s claims. However, I would like to be clear that the allegations about him are just that—allegations, regarding acts which I did not literally witness first-hand. I am, of course, free to report on the contents of a public record police report even if the contents turn out not to be true. We do have corroborative evidence; however, any corroborative evidence which currently exists does not include documentation of injuries, and no testimony of witnesses has yet been provided besides that of Mr. Invictus’ former fianceé. It will be possible, however, to subpoena Invictus’ ex-wife, as well as to contact Victoria’s phone carrier to attempt to recover photographs of her injuries, some of which persist to the present day—and regardless, I have no reason to believe that Victoria would misrepresent the truth.

    Unfortunately, whether or not the allegations are true, Mr. Invictus has come away with the impression (or has pretended to come away with the impression) that I have helped to publish them out of a retaliatory motive. He claims that I was retaliating against him for exposing my activities as a webcam model, or for his reporting me to Social Security for fraud. This is misguided for two reasons.

    Firstly, I have already been open with most of my good friends about my occupation as a webcam model: before any of these issues arose, I had just published an interview with sociology PhD candidate PJ Patella-Rey, who is writing a dissertation on sex camming. Also, Mr. Invictus has been claiming that I am a “prostitute.” I’d like to be clear that it would constitute defamation for him to say I am a prostitute, because that is not what I do—webcam modeling is legal, while prostitution is illegal. I am looking into the possibility of a countersuit for defamation on these grounds. Further, Victoria made her recorded statement to me well before Augustus had “exposed” our webcam modeling activities to her parents (an action for which she suffered no negative consequences).

    Secondly, Mr. Invictus has no reason to believe I have committed Social Security fraud, unless the advice which his lawyer Mr. Michael Perenich gave me at a prior date (which I did not follow) would have constituted fraud. It is perfectly legal to work as an independent contractor and collect disability, and I have reported all of my financial information to the Social Security office. In addition, I was actually unaware of the fact that he had reported me for possible Social Security fraud until he told me in a letter from his lawyer, well after these allegations had already been made to me by his former fianceé.

    I published these allegations in good faith as a domestic violence survivor myself—out of concern for the safety of Mr. Invictus’ former fianceé, and because I believed that the allegations were an important matter of public concern. I did this without any malice or desire to retaliate against Mr. Invictus, whom I have considered a very dear friend. I am frankly heartbroken about these allegations, as well as about the toll that this entire situation has taken on everyone involved. I continue to care about Mr. Invictus’ well-being, and I condemn any threats of violence which he may have endured as a result of these allegations coming to light. I would like to utterly reprove the notion that these allegations are grounds for compromising the safety and well-being of Mr. Augustus Invictus and his family; I wish him the best of luck in dealing with his clearly severe mental illness, as well as with the allegations that have arisen; I hope that he is able to take responsibility for his actions and restore stability to his life; however, I will never retract my statements and I think that the project of healing which Victoria must now undertake to move on with her life is absolutely equally or more important.

    Lastly, we continue to need to raise funds as Augustus has made it clear he intends to file a lawsuit. If you can contribute to our legal fundraiser, please consider doing so today. Link here: https://www.crowdjustice.org/…/fight-silencing-of-domestic…/

    Thank you all for paying attention to this unfolding saga, and thank you especially for your support. I could not do this without the support of my friends and community.

    Best,
    Alexandria Brown

    Anyway, that is that for now. My lawyer has made it clear that we will NOT be negotiating with Augustus on these terms, and Victoria plans to file a second police report and seek an injunction as soon as is humanly possible.

    Best,

  18. Andy Craig

    Utterly and completely shameful. I fully support disaffiliating the Florida party unless and until their catering to Fascists is overturned.

  19. LG

    HELLO MCFLY??? (liz) —there’s a fascist in your house man ! and just let it go is your response. Ill tell ya whats good about what happened and its the same benefit the exodus of Libs to Trump gave us : we get to know exactly how fast some folks break weak and cut and run. Good to know. Wouldnt want to stand next to any one of y’all when facing a real enemy and not some piss ant racist.

  20. Thomas L. Knapp

    LG,

    “Nevada will be asking for de-affiliation at the next LNC meeting.”

    That’s premature.

    The next LNC meeting is April 15-16.

    The LPF’s state convention is May 5-7.

    If LPF proves at the state convention that it cannot or will not save itself from being overrun by the nationalist hijackers, then by all means it should be disaffiliated so as to insulate the rest of the LP from the infection. But give it that last chance.

  21. LG

    it’s not my doing or idea ( although Ill back my team on this one ) and will likely fail BUT players involved (from FLA also) feel like it will apply more pressure just in time for their state convention. Im just passing along the word 🙂

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  23. Gene Trosper

    If the LPF cannot manage to do the right thing by disassociating from AI and other fascists, then I will do whatever I can to help push for disaffiliation.

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  25. George Phillies

    However, the LNC could pass a resolution indicating what might happen if the LPF were not to heal itself. That would be pressure.

    Before people push to do this, they really need to count noses and see that their motion, whatever it is, passes by a substantial margin. If the motion fails, Florida is given a nudge in the wrong direction.

    The LSLA National convention http://libertarianleaders.org/index.php/Conference in Manchester NH, on May 28 had already scheduled a session “Physically Removed, So To Speak: Making the LP Inhospitable to the Alt-Right and Other Nazis” which turns out to even more relevant than we had expected.

  26. Andy Craig

    One possibility that came up, and I don’t know if any LNC member would be wiling to introduce this, would be a resolution not condemning Florida or mentioning Invictus directly, but rather urging all state parties to resist and not bend over for frivolous defamation lawsuit threats. Maybe even offering that the LNC would help defend such cases, should any moron reach the unlikely step of actually filling one. That seems as legitimate a use of national funds, as are ballot access or debate-inclusion lawsuits. Particularly since 99 times out of 100 it’s just an empty threat and we lose nothing by calling the bluff.

  27. paulie

    I like the idea of urging all state parties to resist and not bend over for frivolous defamation lawsuit threats. You should probably write some LNC members about that. Offering to have LNC pay for defense would probably kill it though, even though you are correct that it is legitimate and the threats 99 times out of 100 are empty. LNC is very cautious about unknown liabilities and being on the hook for unknown and unpredictable amounts of money. With ballot access lawsuits, specific expenditures for specific cases are voted on separately each time.

  28. Thomas L. Knapp

    “One possibility that came up, and I don’t know if any LNC member would be wiling to introduce this, would be a resolution not condemning Florida or mentioning Invictus directly, but rather urging all state parties to resist and not bend over for frivolous defamation lawsuit threats.”

    Yes, that would be nice, but only in a very … specific … way.

  29. Thane Eichenauer (@ilovegrover)

    It is very well and good to urge others to discount frivolous defamation lawsuit threats. Only those responsible can decide what is frivolous and what is not. I fail to see any people that claim to be attorneys in the various comment threads here at IPR that state that the reported Invictus lawsuit threat is frivolous.

    During the run up to the LP of Florida primary for US Senate many folks cried far and wide that SOMEBODY should run against Augstus Invicictus. Eventually Paul Stanton was willing and able to qualify.

    There is no guarantee that the reported defamation lawsuit by Invictus will find a willing defender (at little to no cost).

    Avoiding expensive legal processes is a wise move for any organization. I presume the Libertarian Party of Florida does not have thousands of dollars on hand to waste on pursuing a legal defense.

    While I am certain it will not earn me any brownie points in certain political corners to advocate for calm discussion and diplomacy when it comes to Augustus Invictus I do so advocate.

  30. Thomas L. Knapp

    Calm discussion of Invictus? Absolutely.

    Diplomacy with Invictus? When someone is waging war on you, diplomacy is only appropriate when the enemy sues for peace, not when he threatens a new offensive.

    The maximum possible costs of defense from Invictus’s threat of frivolous litigation to LPF are by definition less than the cost of an Invictus takeover of LPF.

  31. paulie

    I fail to see any people that claim to be attorneys in the various comment threads here at IPR that state that the reported Invictus lawsuit threat is frivolous.

    It doesn’t take an attorney to see that a libel suit by a public person is likely to be frivolous, and doubly so in this case since the original press release was entirely accurate. However, IPR’s owner Warren Redlich is an attorney and I need to tal kt ohim about an upcoming article anyway so I will ask him.

    Avoiding expensive legal processes is a wise move for any organization.

    That’s the equivalent of wearing a kick me sign on your back to school. If that’s your attitude you will literally roll over for anyone who threatens to sue you, no matter how ridiculous their lawsuit would be.

    While I am certain it will not earn me any brownie points in certain political corners to advocate for calm discussion and diplomacy when it comes to Augustus Invictus I do so advocate.

    Not surprising, since you have defended him in past threads as well.

    Diplomacy with Invictus? When someone is waging war on you, diplomacy is only appropriate when the enemy sues for peace, not when he threatens a new offensive.

    The maximum possible costs of defense from Invictus’s threat of frivolous litigation to LPF are by definition less than the cost of an Invictus takeover of LPF.

    Exactly.

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