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At a house party in Amherst, NH, Cynthia McKinney responded to questions about the war games that were taking place on 9/11. She also discussed Operation Northwoods, COINTELPRO, and the 9/11 Commission Report.
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Are you sure it was this thread? There were several McKinney/911truth/conspiracy threads.
BTW Fox News picked up on the 5,000 dead black prisoners story…looks like her most major media coverage so far this campaign.
Very strangely, I left a comment in this thread a few days ago, which now seems to have completely disappeared.
Is that a conspiracy against me? LOL
For anyone who can’t play the youtube:
“In the wake of Hurricane Katrina, I had a woman, I’ve never really said this in public, out loud, in front of a lot of cameras, and there’s a lot of cameras in this room now. But I had a mother call me, because her son had a very gruesome task.
“Her son’s charge by the Department of Defense was to process five thousand bodies that had received a single bullet wound to the head. And these were mostly males. And her son was afraid to talk, because he had signed a silence agreement. So he only complained to his mother. But the data about these individuals was entered into a Pentagon computer. And then, reportedly, the bodies were dumped in the swamp in Louisiana. This is the result of the tragedy of Hurricane Katrina. And I have verification from insiders who wish to remain anonymous, and the Red Cross. This is true.
“I suspect that these were prisoners. So, you know, this investigation of the whole prison industrial complex is extremely important. And it should end with just the nature of prisons in our country, but these five thousand souls also need some justice too.”
Be silent, WinstonSmith. The government is often evil, and they have done bad things in the past. Calling the Confederates “traitors” makes no sense. The stuff you’re saying in this thread really do make you sound like a statist shill, regardless of your vocal support for Barr.
There’s nothing wrong with not buying into 9/11 conspiracy theories (not doing so is a good thing IMO), but your rationale for doing such (i.e. most people in government aren’t evil) is very weak.
“‘Very few within the government are actually ‘evil.’ Misguided and ignorant definitely. ‘”
It sounds as if your problem is that you don’t believe there are people that evil out there- that ruthless. Let me assure you just so you never have to learn the hard way: there are. The rest of the world is full with them. You here about these insane dictators from around the world in unstable countries all the time on the world news report with Mr. So-and-so. Why is it so hard to believe that we wouldn’t have our own here?
Because we’re not “unstable” right? Because we like to think of ourselves as better than them? Not a 3rd-world country? Tch, yeah right. Come on.
“Very few within the government are actually ‘evil.’ Misguided and ignorant definitely. ”
It only takes a small percentage of evil people in government to carry out tyrannical acts, and the stupid and ignorant people in government will go along with it.
You DO know that it was the Northern abolitionist radicals who were causing the most harm to the “Union”, don’tcha? Spreading secessionist propaganda and the like. It almost worked.
And actually, the act of betraying someone is to undermine their power through aiding and abetting an enemy. I don’t seem to recall the South doing this at all. In fact, they never even attacked the North at all. It was the other way around.
P.S. – G.E., I think his name is rather apt. After all, a protagonist is usually so named because he succeeds in his quest or learning, whereas Winston becomes just another pawn of the State at the end.
http://www.nightslantern.ca/10.htm
I only say they have not carried out mass genocide of American people.
How about US military personnel led into wars started by lies such as the Gulf of Tonkin (Vietnam War), Kuwaiti incubators (Gulf War I), Day of Deceit/Pearl Harbor (WWII), the USS Maine hoax (Spanish-American war) etc.?
Oh, boy! WinstonSmith considers the South “traitors.”
Okay… Now he clearly does not deserve replies.
Wow.. What a complete and total bootlicking moron.
Where did I ever say government were angels?
I only say they have not carried out mass genocide of American people.
And I had never heard of the radioactive testing, so thanks for turning me on to that. I will have to read up on it some more.
Hans Koning, The Conquest of America: How The Indian Nations Lost Their Continent
New York: Monthly Review Press, 1993, ISBN 0-85345-876-6
http://www.intellnet.org/resources/american_terrorism/IndianGenocide.html
As Hans Koning says,
“From the beginning, the Spaniards saw the native Americans as natural slaves, beasts of burden, part of the loot. When working them to death was more economical than treating them somewhat humanely, they worked them to death.
“The English, on the other hand, had no use for the native peoples. They saw them as devil worshippers, savages who were beyond salvation by the church, and exterminating them increasingly became accepted policy.” [6, pg.14]
The British arrived in Jamestown in 1607. By 1610 the intentional extermination of the native population was well along. As David E. Stannard has written,
“Hundreds of Indians were killed in skirmish after skirmish. Other hundreds were killed in successful plots of mass poisoning. They were hunted down by dogs, ‘blood-Hounds to draw after them, and Mastives [mastiffs] to seize them.’
“Their canoes and fishing weirs were smashed, their villages and agricultural fields burned to the ground. Indian peace offers were accepted by the English only until their prisoners were returned; then, having lulled the natives into false security, the colonists returned to the attack.
“It was the colonists’ expressed desire that the Indians be exterminated, rooted ‘out from being longer a people upon the face of the Earth’s In a single raid the settlers destroyed corn sufficient to feed four thousand people for a year.
“Starvation and the massacre of non-combatants was becoming the preferred British approach to dealing with the natives.” [3, pg.106]
In Massachusetts, Connecticut, and New Jersey extermination was officially promoted by a “scalp bounty” on dead Indians.
“Indeed, in many areas it [murdering Indians] became an outright business,” writes historian Ward Churchill. [5, pg.182]
Indians were defined as subhumans, lower than animals. George Washington compared them to wolves, “beasts of prey” and called for their total destruction. [3, pgs.119-120]
Andrew Jackson (whose innocent-looking portrait appears on the U.S. $20 bill today) in 1814
“supervised the mutilation of 800 or more Creek Indian corpses — the bodies of men, women and children that [his troops] had massacred — cutting off their noses to count and preserve a record of the dead, slicing long strips of flesh from their bodies to tan and turn into bridle reins.” [5, pg.186]
The English policy of extermination — another name for genocide — grew more insistent as settlers pushed westward:
* In 1851 the Governor of California officially called for the extermination of the Indians in his state. [3, pg.144]
* On March 24, 1863, the Rocky Mountain News in Denver ran an editorial titled, “Exterminate Them.”
* On April 2, 1863, the Santa Fe New Mexican advocated “extermination of the Indians.” [5, pg.228]
* In 1867, General William Tecumseh Sherman said:
“We must act with vindictive earnestness against the [Lakotas, known to whites as the Sioux] even to their extermination, men, women and children.” [5, pg.240]
In 1891, Frank L. Baum (gentle author of “The Wizard Of Oz”) wrote in the Aberdeen (Kansas) Saturday Pioneer that the army should “finish the job” by the “total annihilation” of the few remaining Indians.
U.S. government and military have directly slaughtered literally millions of civilian people in the Philippines, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Cuba, Haiti, Dominican Republic, Nicaragua, Russia (the civil war, 1918-1920), Japan, France, Germany, Korea, Thailand, Indonesia, Panama, Grenada, Libya, Lebanon, Iraq, Sudan, Afghanistan, Somalia, Bosnia and Yugoslavia.
In addition, the terrorist U.S. military and CIA have trained, armed, funded, provided intelligence and direct military support for fascist puppet-regimes and right-wing death-squads around the world.
America’s servant-states have carried out appallingly vicious campaigns of state terrorism. With the direct support of the U.S. government they have committed the torture and genocide of additional millions of helpless, civilian people in Guatemala, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Honduras, Haiti, Mexico, Cuba, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia, Chile, Argentina, Paraguay, Uruguay, Brazil, China, the Philippines, East Timor, Indonesia, the Congo, Angola, Zaire, Mozambique, Palestine, Israel, Turkey, Greece, Cyprus, Iraq, Pakistan and Iran.
http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/315/7108/563/i
US admits radiation experiments on 20 000 veterans
They established their own government and sought to basically create a new country.
They did not try to establish a new government for the United States.
Yes, and the United States did not try to establish a new government for Britain. So what?
Plutonium Files: How the U.S. Secretly Fed Radioactivity to Thousands of Americans
Denver-based journalist Eileen Welsome reveals how as a reporter for the tiny Albuquerque Tribune (circulation 35,000) she uncovered one of the country’s great Cold War secrets: the U.S. government had knowingly exposed thousands of human Guinea pigs with radiation poisoning including 18 Americans who had plutonium injected directly into their bloodstream.
They established their own government and sought to basically create a new country.
They did not try to establish a new government for the United States.
http://www.democracynow.org/2004/5/5/plutonium_files_how_the_u_s
Had the South just sought to establish a new government as the Declaration states I would have had no problem.
Eh? They did establish a new government. What are you talking about?
Just as the colonies withdrew from the British Empire.
Quite different. We were being ruled by a guy 3,000 miles away and we had basically established our own culture and country by that time.
Had the South just sought to establish a new government as the Declaration states I would have had no problem.
Depends on your point of view. I consider the South traitors to this country. They did not try to establish a new government. They tried to withdraw from the union.
Just as the colonies withdrew from the British Empire.
Assuming Native Americans are not Americans in your book, you may have read about some unpleasantries circa 1861-1865.
Depends on your point of view. I consider the South traitors to this country. They did not try to establish a new government. They tried to withdraw from the union.
While your Indian example may be true, it was not done out of intentional genocide. It was done out of horrible expansionist policies.
Seems we have somehow survived 232 years without our government carrying out a mass genocide against Americans.
Assuming Native Americans are not Americans in your book, you may have read about some unpleasantries circa 1861-1865.
WinstonSmith does not deserve replies anymore. Only mockery.
I would believe the person who thinks our government can pull off an elaborate inside job and has people that were alright with it deserves the mockery.
Keep that tin foil hat on. Seems we have somehow survived 232 years without our government carrying out a mass genocide against Americans. Don’t worry though, I’m sure your correct. They are coming to get you.
Its just your position to actually believe there are a bunch of people in the government who would murder 3,000 civilians is so stupid it shouldn’t even be considered.
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/
WinstonSmith does not deserve replies anymore. Only mockery.
HA!
The state is by definition EVIL.
Yeah not so much. As I said, not really evil.
Actually I question everything. Its just your position to actually believe there are a bunch of people in the government who would murder 3,000 civilians is so stupid it shouldn’t even be considered.
Again, I have to say, HA!
And FYI: I don’t support any “conspiracy theories,” except those that are widely accepted as truth now. I don’t have the time to investigate 9/11 as thoroughly as I’d like to. But you are the same type of lackey who would have been saying that Gulf of Tonkin wasn’t a false flag, etc.
The state is by definition EVIL.
GE,
Ahh theres the normal argument. Unfortunately you rarely deal with facts so you are often forced to resort to the same tired criticisms.
You are the perfect example of why nobody takes “conspiracies” seriously. Even if they have truth to them your stance on every single one is so ridiculous that it immediately puts people off.
Thinking the government is filled with a bunch of people who would murder 3,000 American is about as ridiculous as you can get.
Very few within the government are actually “evil.” Misguided and ignorant definitely.
Don’t let facts ruin your fantasy view of the world though.
Don’t you people have any sense? The government always tells the truth. Conspiracy theories are for kooks. Oh, wait….
At least they didn’t hold it against him or exact any kind of bloody revenge or anything…
JFK fired the people behind the idea.
Define “murder.” You mean, pull the triggers themselves?
IF people inside the government planned 9/11, then they murdered about 3,000.
The government murders many more Americans by sending them to war.
“Unwilling to murder Americans.” Puh-lease.
As an admin of this site, I vote that Winston Smith should have to change his name to O’Brien. His shillery for the evil state, while using the name of an Orwell protagonist, is beyond reasonable levels of decency.
HA!
Well, at least you didn’t call me a government shill for using facts again. But your arguments are getting worse.
HA!
Citing Northwoods sort of backfires since the two main people in the government rejected the idea. Not only did they reject it but JFK fired the people behind the idea.
While everyone may believe people inside the government are pure evil, you will actually have difficulty finding people who are willing to murder Americans.
Ross — Do not tell me they’re actually teaching Latin at your public school? THAT would be quite a blow to me.
Oh, and I’m pretty sure she’s black too.
I don’t see it.
I meant to add that as an “American” and most importantly an individual, I don’t have any of these bizarre racial allegiances. If the government is terrorizing any individual(s)- white, black, brown, yellow, whatever- I consider it a major issue.
I think G.E. makes a good point with the “and she’s black too.”
I have long observed ( especially in “libertarian” and “constitutional” circles) that there are many “angry white people” who will support ( or at least listen to and not dismiss) any conspiracy theory or grievance against the government ( no matter how “nutty”) as long as the victims are “white patriots.” However, when the victims are black or a black politician/pundit/activist raises the issue, many of these same anti-government folks are either silent or completely dismissive.
The level of skepticism and burden of proof are both much higher. A black activist seems to need concrete proof of extreme government terrorism to be taken seriously, whereas the angry white guy only needs a half-baked conspiracy theory to receive widespread support.
I am not saying every grievance Mckinney presents is valid. I am sure I disagree with her a lot. There is just a certain double standard at work. And the only apparent explanation is the race of the person speaking and the demographics of those most affected.
I also detect some of this on the Green/Left side now that the candidate is black and not a typical “white hippie” that their movement seems most comfortable with.
Nice save 🙂
I was just kidding. I know full well what Northwoods really is.
And the vocative of Silvarticus would be “Silvartice.”
It’s et tu, not e tu. E tu means “out of you” or “from you.”
If McKinney wasn’t such an anti-freedom economic extremist, and overly focused on egalitarianism, she would get my vote.
E tu, Silvarticus?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
GE, Operation Northwoods is a tinfoil hat conspiracy too.
Cynthia McKinney is obviously mentally unstable. Doesn’t she know that there was no such thing as COINTELPRO, the 9/11 Commission explained everything, and that President Bush exhibited great leadership in the aftermath of 9/11? Anyone who wants to go further than repealing some portions of the PATRIOT ACT (she didn’t even vote for it!) is obviously loony. Oh, and I’m pretty sure she’s black too.