Libertarian Root appears on ‘America’s Morning News’

The Washington Times reports this morning that Libertarian presidential hopeful Wayne Allyn Root appeared on the syndicated radio program “America’s Morning News” on Thursday morning, where Root described himself as “a controversial guy.” The Times says Root “is considered the front-runner for his party’s 2012 presidential nomination.”

64 thoughts on “Libertarian Root appears on ‘America’s Morning News’

  1. George Phillies

    This is the man whose endorsement gave Bob Barr the nomination, so Barr could give us his sham of a campaign.

    His book calls for running a campaign based on gambling, guns, a particular religion, and a form of employment — owning a small business — practiced only by a particular few.

  2. George Phillies

    And if you wonder where Mr. Root is coming from, note in the “Acknowledgments” in his book who he thanks:

    First and foremost, Congressman Bob Barr…

    also…Aaron Starr, Manny Klausner, M Carling, Bruce Cohen, Martha DeForest, Mark Schreiber, Jeff Dimit, and Scott Lieberman.

    Also, Libertarian leaders…Kevin Knedler, Lou Jasikoff, Travis Nicks, Kevin Takenaga, Steve Kubby, Stewart Flood, Bill Redpath, Richard Burke, Peter Beary, and Sam Goldstein.

    Rick Williams, Chuck Muth, Matt Brooks, Kieran Mahoney, Larry Greenfield, Jake Witmer, and Eric Dondero.

  3. Geno Canto del Halcon

    Wayne Allan Root, and his supporters, are Libertarians in Name Only (LINOs). I hereby pledge that if W.A.R. is nominated in 2012, or if he becomes National Chair in 2010, I will dissolve all ties with the Libertarian Party, because it will have become G.O.P. 2.0, and not worthy of my support. I know many other libertarians who feel the same way. Thousands have already left the LP. Let’s be perfectly clear about this: Root and his suppoters do not ascribe to the non-aggression principle, and are not, therefore, libertarians as the term has been used and understood.

  4. Thomas M. Sipos

    Who considers Root the front-runner?

    I think it’s Root’s (and his supporters’) talking point. I also think it was on Root’s Wikipedia page (last I checked), which I assume Root, or an underling, wrote.

    It’s an old sales tactic. Repeat something often enough, and people will begin to believe it. Hucksters and carnival barkers and infomercial peddlers do it all the time.

  5. Richard Winger

    How many people who are commenting about Wayne Root have actually read his book? I am reading it and it is far more hard-core Libertarian than I was expecting. It is definitely not what I had been expecting. The book’s subtitle is an unfortunate mistake.

    George Phillies likes to say the 2008 campaign was a “sham”, but it produced the 2nd largest number of votes ever received by a Libertarian presidential campaign. The FEC says Barr got 523,686 votes. George was also a presidential candidate and he got 531 votes. Another Libertarian Party member who ran for president in the general election, Thomas Stevens of the Objectivist Party, got 755 votes.

  6. Geoffrey

    Dear Mr. Winger:

    Out of curiosity, is it also true that your Bob Barr received 2217 votes vs 571 for your Mr. Phillies in New Hampshire USA?

    How do you explain this given all the time and effort Mr. Phillies made campaigning in NH and that he was the choice of your NHLP?

    Thank you sir,

    Geoffrey

  7. Richard Winger

    I hope The Daily Liberty will give a statement of how much money was spent on the November 2008 presidential campaign for George Phillies, and maybe also a statement of how much money was spent on the November 2008 presidential campaign for Thomas Stevens, and maybe a statement of how much money was spent on the November 2008 campaign for the Boston Tea Party’s presidential campaign, for Charles Jay.

  8. Geoffrey

    You may read our recent news here at the LPUK here:
    http://lpuk.org/pages/posts/message-from-lpuk-leader-ian-parker-joseph-on-norwich-north39.php

    We ran our very first candidate for office and gained much in the way of recognition, mebership and donors. Perhaps your LPUS can learn a lesson from us newcomers!

    We do not spend our time with needless infighting. We are focus on making electorial and legislative gains and growing our party. Perhaps your LPUS shall try the same?

    Obviously, with the likes of your George Phillies having any influnce at all, that will not happen anytime soon. I know if one of our members ran against another, whom was appointmed by our party to represent us, they woudl be tossed out on their arse. I still am suprised your government (not to mention the LPUS) allowed two people in the same party to run against eachother in NH, USA.

    Perhaps Mr. Winger can explain further how that can happen?

    Good day,

    Geoffrey

  9. Richard Winger

    Political parties in the United States, other than the two dominant political parties, are treated very badly under state and federal laws. When groups are treated unjustly, they have a tendency to experience great frustration and a sense of being victimized. They are being victimized; it’s not imaginary. But sometimes the victims then express their frustration and unhappiness by fighting amongst themselves.

  10. Jeremy Young

    Root IS the frontrunner by any conceivable standard — not that that means that much this far out. The announced candidates to date are Root, Tom Knapp, and some minor cadidates. I don’t consider Jingozian announced because, well, he hasn’t announced. In that group, Root is undoubtedly the frontrunner right now. He was the Party’s vice-presidential nominee in 2008, he came in third in the Presidential balloting, and his ability to gather earned media is second only to Bob Barr’s and Mike Gravel’s among current Party members. All these things are stronger than Knapp’s credentials and blow away the other candidates.

    There are plenty of people who could give Root a run for his money. Barr, Ruwart, Phillies, or Jingozian could run again (in fact I’d be shocked if Jingo didn’t); other candidates such as Lee Wrights, Adm. Colley, or Lt. Col. Kwiatkowski could be even stronger candidates than the retreads from last time. Also, Tom Knapp is a smart and articulate guy who could easily win the nomination. That said, as of right now none of those things has come to pass, and it’s basically Root out there by himself on the lecture circuit.

    Is it the best strategy to be the frontrunner three years out? Maybe we could ask Rudy Giuliani that question.

  11. Jack Burns

    I say let Root and his ilk take over the Libertarian Party – WE can play this game too, if all Libertarians get active in the Republican Party, starting at the County Executive Committees and working our way up – In a few short years the Libertarian/Ron Paul Paleo-Conservative alliance will OWN the GOP.

  12. Donald R Lake

    Jack Burns: I share with you the frustration of the ‘throw away’ culture of the ‘could be a player’ of libertarian, Barr ????????????

    How ever the GOP is too wedded to religion. Dream on Room Temperature IQ, dream on Room Temperature IQ ………

  13. Just Saying

    Based on his previous ramblings and writings and to paraphrase satirist Ambrose Bierce, one can only imagine that the covers between Root’s book are too far apart.

  14. Thomas L. Knapp

    Jeremy@13,

    You have it exactly right. Root is the front-runner, if for no other reason than that he’s the only one who’s campaigning on anything like full scale at the moment.

    I’m doing a few events, working on my first campaign book, etc. Before anyone takes that as something other than what it is, let me clarify:

    I’m not saying that I’ll knock Root down when I come out of the corner and into the center of the ring. The opposite, however, is certainly true: I absolutely won’t and can’t knock him down without doing so. Neither can anyone else.

    On the “inside baseball” end of things, I don’t think Root’s doing himself any favors, though. Running around selling the LP as the party for developmentally challenged Republicans gets him some face time now, but in 2012 I can virtually guarantee he’ll end up going mano a mano with at least one nomination opponent who effectively preaches the virtue of selling the LP as the party for freedom-loving Americans instead … and I can already tell you which message will resonate better with likely convention delegates.

  15. tab

    Thousands have already left the LP.

    Would be interested to see those numbers that back up this claim. Not saying you are wrong, I just think it would be interesting to see if membership has dropped or risen.

    and I can already tell you which message will resonate better with likely convention delegates.

    It will be interesting to see. Root has set himself up quite well, and he has the experience that other candidates may not.

    I’m going to have to get around to reading the book because it sounds like there are a lot of falsehoods being spread about it.

  16. Thomas L. Knapp

    tab,

    It’s easy to come up with numbers showing that “thousands have already left the LP.”

    What’s not easy is proving that all, most, or even some significant portion of, those thousands have done so for a particular reason.

    Generally, when someone asserts that a large number of people are leaving the LP for Reason X, X being the choice of a particular candidate or the outcome of some ideological struggle, I discount that assertion.

    Frankly, at the low numbers we’re talking about here, most membership fluctuation can probably be accounted for on the basis of how aggressively and effectively LPHQ is recruiting using direct mail and such.

    As far as Root is concerned, I’m interested what relevant experience you think he has that other candidates don’t.

  17. Jeremy Young

    Root will claim that being the VP nominee last year gives him a leg up on the competition for 2012. The unfortunate thing for him is that that’s an empty claim, because Barr muzzled him and didn’t let him do anything with the presidential ticket. Root did get to go around on talk shows and talk up the ticket, but that’s really nothing different from what he’s done before and since that time.

    As far as party experience goes, the strongest potential candidate will be Jingozian, on the grounds that he’s been intimately involved in the workings of the party since beling elected vice chair. Ruwart or other candidates currently on the LNC would also have a leg up on Root in that regard.

    Root will argue that his experience as a successful small businessman shows he knows how to manage a campaign and the country. The problem here is that his “success” is in question. Questions were raised about proprieties in his business dealings in the last campaign, and those were generally ignored for two reasons: one, the emergence of Barr and Ruwart on the scene made his campaign less important, and two, his main opponents, Kubby and Phillies, were too nice to go after him for these things. Root is making himself the center of attention now, and his opponents will definitely be less nice than they were last year.

    Finally, I should note that there is one area in which Root excels over all others. He has a stunning ability to get earned media, particularly given that his public profile outside of the Libertarian Party is not nearly as big as, say, Bob Barr’s. He’s also not a new media whiz like Jingozian — yet somehow he’s always out there on TV talking about Libertarians. Unless Gravel (impossible) or Barr (unlikely) runs again, no one is going to be able to match Root’s ability to gather earned media. That is one thing his opponents will have to contend with in selling themselves to the delegates in 2012.

  18. John C

    I support Knapp, but I’m not sure I share his outlook. I have never been and will never be a delegate. So I might not have a grasp on what most delegates are like. I think the nomination of Barr and success of Root as a top 3 choice and VP nominee speak volumes, though.

    I did catch the convention on CSPAN3 or whatever is was. I was amazed/disappointed by the people ( delegates, I assume) who were infatuated with Root’s used car salesman routine and were vocally promoting him to their delegations as just the type of salesman the party needed. I recall one lady in particular who was practically orgasmic over W.A.R. and his cheesy infomercial persona. His pathetic ” I’m only being # 2 in 2008 to learn under the master and I will be #1 in 2012 and 2016″ statement had some Libertarians WAY too excited.

    Libertarians who let this guy talk his way to the nomination are in for a rude awakening when the joke is on THEM.

  19. libertariangirl

    John C_ I have never been and will never be a delegate.

    me- then with all due respect , why do you think you can bitch about the outcome . you can say one thing but do nothing to effect the outcome .
    thats the worst kind of apathy..
    lets hope there arent too many with that attitude.

    st louis baby , be there or shut up

  20. Eric Dondero

    Hilarious, Gene whathisname, claims that the LP has become the GOP.

    Really Gene?

    Umm, dumbass, the Libertarian Party HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.’

    Or, are you too much of a dumbass to know this, or perhaps just a Newbie to our movement who doesn’t know jackshit about LP history.

    Newsflash Gene, the LIBERTARIAN PARTY WAS FOUNDED BY THE COLORADO STATE CHAIRMAN OF THE YOUNG REPUBLICANS!!!

    8 out of 9 LP Presidential candidates were/are REPUBLICANS!!!

    9 out of 11 of the electe Libertarian state legislators in Party history ALL CAUC– USED WITH REPUBLICANS as state legislators.

    Learn about LP history, before you start spouting off your bullshit.

  21. Eric Dondero

    Oh, that was just soooooo sweet: Leftwing Libertarian Richard Winger, smacking the shit out of fellow Leftwing Libertarian George Phillies.

    On this, Winger wins the day. Phillies comes out the Loser he always has been.

    Yes, Winger is right, to call Bob Barr’s campaign a “disaster” is utterly silly considering Barr had the second highest LP Prez vote total in LP history: 525,000 votes.

    He would have gotten 4 to 5 times more, if Palin hadn’t been picked with McCain. Barr was well on his way to a 2 to 3 million vote total.

  22. Richard Winger

    One of the things about Root’s book that surprised me is on page 118. He says, “Even a failed business is good for the economy. I started a business back in 2000 based in California. High taxes chased me out of California. I relocated the business in Nevada. That business failed in 2009. But in the 9 years that it lasted, my business spent more than $60 million. So whether we succeeded or failed was immaterial – either way the business I started pumped more than $60 into the U.S. economy.”

    I was impressed that he mentioned in his book that his business failed. Barack Obama’s book “Dreams from My Father” also was noted for the author’s being willing to reveal his own failures. He had lots of frustrating failures when he was a community organizer, and they are in his book. Of course, that book helped Obama’s road to political success. People like authors who can frankly admit their own past failures.

  23. tab


    Generally, when someone asserts that a large number of people are leaving the LP for Reason X, X being the choice of a particular candidate or the outcome of some ideological struggle, I discount that assertion.

    As do I. Because I believe that while some may have left (I doubt it is thousands) many more have joined or become donors.


    As far as Root is concerned, I’m interested what relevant experience you think he has that other candidates don’t.

    Not necessarily political experience, but Root has been on making the media rounds on just about every major news network. He has been perfecting his talking points, and will probably come off sounding good. That media experience cannot be discounted.

  24. Stewart Flood

    Wow. I had purchased a copy earlier this week, but had not found even a moment to open the cover. I had absolutely no idea that I would be mentioned.

    I’ve read through the acknowledgments, but I’ll have to put of digging into it until later this weekend — state executive committee meeting early in the morning, and the 100 miles to Columbia is a long drive in this heat.

    If the book leans as hard-core libertarian as Mr Winger has suggested, then it may be a vehicle that will awaken a few people. You never know…

  25. Jeremy Young

    Richard, I think people like candidates who talk about their past failures so long as those failures aren’t material to the campaign, and aren’t recent. Writing a book in 2009 about mismanaging his business in 2009 is NOT something that is going to win Root acolytes among the general public.

  26. Karl Friedrich Hieronymus Freiherr von Münchhausen

    A little birdy told me that “Geoffrey” is actually Robert Kraus. Can anyone confirm or deny this?

  27. paulie

    On the “inside baseball” end of things, I don’t think Root’s doing himself any favors, though. Running around selling the LP as the party for developmentally challenged Republicans gets him some face time now, but in 2012 I can virtually guarantee he’ll end up going mano a mano with at least one nomination opponent who effectively preaches the virtue of selling the LP as the party for freedom-loving Americans instead … and I can already tell you which message will resonate better with likely convention delegates.

    You are apparently presuming that likely convention goers in 2012 are the same as likely convention goers in 2009. I believe this is a major miscalculation, because the longer Root is out there as the public face of the LP the more the playing field shifts with active party members more in his mold and other members unlike his mold leaving the party.

    Secondly, even if this was not true, “all things being equal” – if the only factor in the equation was the respective message of the candidates – you may be correct, at least if the playing field is still roughly what it was in 2008, although even then we lost, albeit by a nose.

    But, just as in 2008, the deciding factor may be something other than the message: that is, I believe a significant percentage of the delegates will vote based on who they think will get the most media, new members, etc., irrespective of message.

    Thus, we will need someone else from the Ruwart/Kubby side of the party out there getting a lot of media, and the longer it takes to get that happening, the less our chances of winning in ’12.

    Whether the person who does this is the one who eventually ends up running or not, it needs to happen soon, or we may lose our window of opportunity while the playing field tilts out from under our feet.

    Oh, before Davidson pipes up, I have zero interest or ability to be that person. There are several who could, though.

  28. paulie

    Generally, when someone asserts that a large number of people are leaving the LP for Reason X, X being the choice of a particular candidate or the outcome of some ideological struggle, I discount that assertion.

    Frankly, at the low numbers we’re talking about here, most membership fluctuation can probably be accounted for on the basis of how aggressively and effectively LPHQ is recruiting using direct mail and such.

    That may well be generally true, but I don’t think it is true right now.

    I’ve been listening to Andy making hundreds of fund raising calls for LPWV over the last two months, and many, many people have been saying they are no longer interested in donating to the LP because of Bob Barr.

  29. paulie

    Would be interested to see those numbers that back up this claim. Not saying you are wrong, I just think it would be interesting to see if membership has dropped or risen.

    Thousands of people have left the party, and thousands of new people have joined. I do not believe the ideological mix is the same as it was.

  30. Richard Winger

    Wayne didn’t say he mismanaged his business. He said his business failed. Those aren’t the same things.

    I repeat, Barack Obama discussed his attempts to do things in Chicago, things that he said repeatedly failed, and putting that in his book didn’t injure him at all. That book is the reason he is President today.

  31. paulie

    As far as party experience goes, the strongest potential candidate will be Jingozian, on the grounds that he’s been intimately involved in the workings of the party since beling elected vice chair. Ruwart or other candidates currently on the LNC would also have a leg up on Root in that regard.

    This may be why Root is likely to run for National Chair in 2010

  32. tab

    Thousands of people have left the party, and thousands of new people have joined. I do not believe the ideological mix is the same as it was.

    If that was the point he was trying to make then I could agree.

    Whether or not that is good or bad depends on your perspective. People who pout off because they didn’t get their way one time clearly weren’t all that committed to begin with.

  33. paulie

    As do I. Because I believe that while some may have left (I doubt it is thousands) many more have joined or become donors.

    The latest membership numbers I recall seeing are down from last year, but not precipitously. Given that thousands have joined, it is in fact accurate that thousands have left.

  34. paulie

    Whether or not that is good or bad depends on your perspective. People who pout off because they didn’t get their way one time clearly weren’t all that committed to begin with.

    Not necessarily correct.

    Prior to 1992 I was active in the Democratic Party.

    I was not particularly fond of Tip O’Neill or Walter Mondale; I was involved in that party because I used to believe that once the post-WW2 generation got to the top of the food chain, they would end the drug war and scale back the military-industrial complex. However, once they nominated Bill Clinton I saw that this was not going to happen and left the party.

    This was not because I “pouted off,” but because I belatedly realized that I was wrong to begin with.

  35. paulie

    Addendum:

    If the Libertarian Party also abandons those issues, as it already has to some extent, what do you think I should do?

  36. tab

    This was not because I “pouted off,” but because I belatedly realized that I was wrong to begin with.

    I would say your situation was different. You left because you realized there was an ideological shift, or that it never actually existed at all.

    That different from leaving a party because a candidate you didn’t like was elected. Electing Barr did not signal an ideological shift in the LP.

    If there was an overall ideological shift I could see leaving. In fact, I would do it also. I’m not going to leave if we elect a candidate I don’t like one time though.

  37. George Phillies

    @31

    Hopefully you are being thanked for the right parts. On the other hand, Chapter 27 “Stop the Global Warming Insanity” is right wing warming truther baloney, using the debating tactics that 911 truthers and birther truthers made famous.

    A series of misleading questions is not an argument.

    By the way, Wayne, your suggestion that there was a scientific concensus 30 years ago for global cooling is nonsense. You can find the truth on arxiv.org. The major inclination then, on much weaker computers and much less data, was for warming. Your claim that the global temperature has not changed since 1980 is just plain crazy.

    Your observation that the Antarctic Polar cap is getting thicker, whose significance you totally failed to understand, is a major confirmation of global warming. You see, as air gets warmer, it can carry more water. As Antarctica gets warmer, while still well below freezing, the air above is warmer (like 0 or -20 instead of -20 or -40) and carries more water, which falls as more snow.

    Sea temperatures for the last month appear to have set a new all-time record, though data reduction to full accuracy takes a while.

    George

  38. tab

    If the Libertarian Party also abandons those issues, as it already has to some extent, what do you think I should do?

    Leave. If you feel a party no longer lines up with your core beliefs then you should leave. There is no point in having allegiance to something you don’t believe in.

  39. Karl Friedrich Hieronymus Freiherr von Münchhausen

    “Unless I missed something, Robert Kraus does not reside in Great Britain.”

    Yes, and I live in Germany.

    Or was it Austria?

    I keep forgetting.

  40. paulie

    Leave. If you feel a party no longer lines up with your core beliefs then you should leave. There is no point in having allegiance to something you don’t believe in.

    Well, it’s more complicated than that. I still have some hope that we will have a more radical/left leaning LP after 2010 and 2012.

    Also, what’s my plan B? The Green Party has economic views I largely disagree with (my views on those issues changed back in the 90s); the Boston Tea Party is tiny and disorganized, and seems mostly to consist of a small number of people calling each other names online.

    Of course, I could stop being involved with political parties altogether, and may well have already done so except that
    A) I’m a political junkie
    B) Putting alternative parties on the ballot is a big part of my business
    C) I’m a life member of the LP
    and
    D) If you choose to ignore the government it does not mean the government will choose to ignore you.

  41. tab

    the Boston Tea Party is tiny and disorganized, and seems mostly to consist of a small number of people calling each other names online.

    Haha, not much different than the LP.

    Yeah, there really is no plan B if the LP goes the wrong direction. The only other thing close to liberty minded would be the RLC.

    But even with that, I wouldn’t keep supporting the LP if it goes in the complete opposite direction. That’s what I criticize Republicans and Democrats for on a daily basis.

    It would definitely be much easier to just live in apathetic bliss though. Unfortunately (or fortunately), that isn’t possible for most of us.

  42. Robert Milnes

    I’m still waiting for investigative reporting or some sort of fallout that can connect Barr and/or Root to U.S. government covert operations against third parties, Independents, citizens or groups for reasons of secret political surveillance and/or persecution. Read The Age of Surveillance & then laugh. He could be the government’s candidate as a diversion & & supported & manipulated & not even know it.

  43. paulie

    the Boston Tea Party is tiny and disorganized, and seems mostly to consist of a small number of people calling each other names online.

    Haha, not much different than the LP.

    Vastly different than the LP.

    LP: 5-digit dues paying membership, 6-digit free membership; several hundred elected and appointed officeholders; active branches in almost all states (all states in the past); 50-state ballot access 4 times; over a million cumulative votes for congress 4 times; national conventions have drawn over a thousand people at times; state conventions that have sometimes drawn hundreds; national HQ with professional staff and $million plus budget; state offices and employees in some states; established ballot access in 20+ states.

    BTP: 4-digit free membership; about 10 people at national gathering; 3 state ballot access; no money; no one elected solely on the BTP line as far as I know.

  44. paulie

    Yeah, there really is no plan B if the LP goes the wrong direction. The only other thing close to liberty minded would be the RLC.

    Most of the Republicans the RLC endorses are not very libertarian at all on the issues that matter most to me. Even Ron Paul, who is far better then the rest, is still somewhat reactionary on certain issues, such as immigration, that I consider important.

    Then there is the issue of party loyalty to contend with working in the major parties. So, not for me.

  45. paulie

    #

    Karl Friedrich Hieronymus Freiherr von Münchhausen // Jul 31, 2009 at 9:19 pm

    A little birdy told me that “Geoffrey” is actually Robert Kraus. Can anyone confirm or deny this?
    #

    35 Peter Orvetti // Jul 31, 2009 at 9:41 pm

    Unless I missed something, Robert Kraus does not reside in Great Britain.

    At least one past comment by Geoffrey was posted from the LP national office. It would have had to have been either a staffer, or someone allowed to use the office computers while there, unless someone hacked into the LP computer network.

    I have no idea which LP staffer it is, if in fact it was one.

    Geoffrey, did you make a visit to DC (USA) this year? If so, what month(s)? Were you allowed to use LPHQ office computers?

  46. JT

    Tab: “Haha, [the BTP is] not much different than the LP.”

    I agree with Paulie that this is a grossly unfair comparison. I’m critical of a political party that isn’t competitive in state/federal races, but the LP is still a real party. The LP has a staffed national office, a mailing list with thousands of names/addresses, ballot status in most states, a dedicated income stream, a biannual convention where hundreds of people actually convene, etc. The BTP is like a high school political club with no organization or funding. Huge difference.

  47. JT

    I should have mentioned that LP also fields hundreds of candidates nationwide every two years.

  48. George Phillies

    @56

    Interesting question. Perhaps the nice people who keep IPR up and running could do a complete search and see as a complete list where Geoffrey has posted from.

    I am however reminded that it was Acting Executive Director Robert Kraus who, according to my State Chair, asked if the Massachusetts Libertarians would please disaffiliate from the LNC, so there is a modest level of consistency here with the current suggestion that I should be sent out of the party.

    I am laso reminded that on the occasion I asked Geoffrey about a position of his alleged U.K. party that he did not answer me.

  49. George Phillies

    @56

    Interesting question. Perhaps the nice people who keep IPR up and running could do a complete search and see as a complete list where Geoffrey has posted from.

    I am however reminded that it was Acting Executive Director Robert Kraus who, according to my State Chair, asked if the Massachusetts Libertarians would please disaffiliate from the LNC, so there is a modest level of consistency here with the current suggestion that I should be sent out of the party.

    I amalso reminded that on the occasion I asked Geoffrey about a position of his alleged U.K. party that he did not answer me.

  50. paulie

    Interesting question. Perhaps the nice people who keep IPR up and running could do a complete search and see as a complete list where Geoffrey has posted from.

    Usually AOL, LPHQ once.

  51. paulie

    I should have mentioned that LP also fields hundreds of candidates nationwide every two years.

    True. Ten years ago it was over a thousand every two years. Hopefully again soon as I hope to see Wes do nationwide what he did in Texas on that front.

  52. tab

    Vastly different than the LP.

    Apparently a joke doesn’t come through as well on the internet.

    I meant in terms of members making fun of each other online.

  53. paulie

    Apparently a joke doesn’t come through as well on the internet.

    I meant in terms of members making fun of each other online.

    With the BTP, it appears it is literally all or almost all they ever do.

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