Could the Reform Party of New Jersey be revived?

From the Atlantic Highlands Herald:

“I have seen an immediate upsurge in interest in over a dozen states that have previously been unorganized,” said  Collison. “I expect to see some states that disaffiliated or went inactive reactivate now that the threat of…vexatious lawsuits is lifted.”

New Jersey is among the states in which the Reform Party became inactive. The party was once very active in the state, so much so that rocker Pat DiNizio’s 2000 Senate bid was chronicled in the movie “Mr. Smithereen Goes to Washington.”

Unfortunately, the new millennium ravaged the Reform Party, and by the 2004 election, its New Jersey affiliate had long since dissolved.

All that is about to change; a group of activists from all corners of the state have expressed interest in re-igniting the flame of Perot’s third party. And the time may be right: in the 1990s the party championed fiscal responsibility and government accountability, both of which have recently been demanded in the state. The party platform does not address “social” issues, making it the politically moderate alternative, lying at the half-way point between neo-conservative Republicans and progressive Democrats.

46 thoughts on “Could the Reform Party of New Jersey be revived?

  1. Dennis

    @ The Last Conservative;

    Why do you feel this way, though? Haven’t you seen NJ’s interest in third parties as of late? Ie Chris Daggett’s campaign.

  2. Solomon Drek

    The Reform Party is a joke, and so was Ross Perot. If it wasn’t for his willingness to spend $60 million of his own money to make a fool of himself nobody would have paid any attention.

    The alternative parties in New Jersey, Libertarians, Greens, etc. are a joke and totally useless. The NJLP especially has been going down the toilet since the 1997 Sabrin campaign which was publicly funded and got 5% of the vote. In 2001 their candidate got less than one percent, in 2005 one-half of one percent, and this year one-quarter of one percent. Pathetic to say the least.

    The third parties in NJ are such a joke that one party, the Conservative Party, actually disbanded itself so they could support and vote for reactionary conservative Steve Lonegan who lost to moderate Chris Christie in the GOP primary.

    As tro Chris Daggett he ran as an independent and was unaffiliated with any third party. He was polling as high as 20% a few weeks before the election but then collapsed after taking a few hits from the GOP and ended up with little more than five percent which was little more than Christie’s victory margin.

    The only way an independent wins in New Jersey is he needs tons of money and/or high name recognition. The Reform Party is a waste of time and resources.

  3. libertarianblue

    The national website is still active so it seems that the party just needs some leadership. I read awhile back that both Independence Parties of Minnesota and New York were going to take the reigns.

  4. Rev. James W. Clifton

    The Reform Party is not a joke. It will be revived and will become America’s third largest pollitical party.

    Perot a joke? This is an interesting remark considering most political pundits had him winning at two of the three presidential debates in 1992.

  5. Rob

    I wish the RP well but I have seen nothing that indicates to me that it will ever be back. What does the RP stand for? The ideals of Ralph Nader? Maybe Pat Buchanan’s? Let’s see the RP stands for…..against free trade….Republicans and Dems suck….and squabbling on an epic scale.

  6. The Simplifier

    Ross Perot is looking better and better in hindsight. The budget deficit approached 1.8 trillion dollars last fiscal year! The Republican strategy of “starving the beast” has demonstrably failed. Deficits do not lead to spending cuts; they lead to higher taxes in the future. Actually, they lead to higher taxes now because high deficits hurt the poor and working class, which increases demand for social programs, etc.

  7. Don Lake .......... More Libs Lacking a Lib Perspective

    RP stands ….. against free trade …. Republicans and Dems suck …. and squabbling on an epic scale!

    Yeah pretty ;much so. As some one whom was recruited in 2003 I should have listened to that inner voice whispering ‘Long Beach 2000, Long Beach 2000′!

    $12.5 M here, $12.5 M there, pretty soon we are talking ’bout a boat load of [squandered] federal election funding!

  8. Jake

    Dennis,

    I believe Don has a pretty interesting past with the Reform Party and the Reform Party of California.

    Lets just say that there has been some characters to pop up out of Cali and the Reform Party.

  9. Don Lake .......... More Libs Lacking a Lib Perspective

    Dennis // Jan 4, 2010:@ Don Lake;
    You were involved with the California RP?

    Sorry to say, details at 619.420.0209

    I have been trying to sue John Blare and or
    Valli Sharp Giesler for years …..

    Dems and GOP are unethical, but third
    party type are not much better ………

    Fiscally, politically, culturally I am so glad that I am pushing 60 rather than being 16. What a horrible time to be an American!

    [And we did it to our selves, with lots and lots of prior warning ………..]

  10. Steven R Linnabary

    I don’t know if the RP can be revived or not. But would seem pointless to revive a party that is based on personality when there is no personality to lead it.

    The RP has had the personalities of Perot and Ventura to run on, and not much else. Certainly no ideology, other than a faint populist whine.

    And with the personality of Palin threatening to bolt to a third party, any revived RP effort would quickly be smothered.

    A personality driven campaign of Palin will NOT go to the RP, unless the RP has ballot status in tough states. And the RP is not on any tough ballot states, AFAIK.

    My advice to any prospective RP activists would be to pick one of the already active ideological parties (Green, Constitution, or Libertarian) and work within their already existing structure. You will save yourselves a lot of aggravation and ridicule.

    PEACE

  11. libertarianblue

    Maybe Pat Buchanan’s? Let’s see the RP stands for…..against free trade….Republicans and Dems suck….and squabbling on an epic scale.

    ___________________________

    Buchanan tried to take over the party once and it was met with a huge backlash from those who founded it and its original members.

  12. Don Lake .......... More Libs Lacking a Lib Perspective

    Rob // Jan 4, 2010:
    “I have seen nothing that indicates to me that it will ever be back. What does the RP stand for?”

    Pretty much ‘distrusting authority free thinking college educated white guys [like totally] fed up with the crass corruption of the Establishment Dupoloy’! Pretty much since the 1960 JFK – Nixon debacle, er, ah debate.

    More than one person has described the deform/ reform party types as Libertarians with some respect for structure and government! Also more action orientated than that of debating society. Like the Libs, supposedly reformist have wide GOP streaks but with little rock ribbed affected for the Elephants.

    Having that big of a tent sure seems to allow the presence of a small army of snake oil sales persons ……

  13. Don Lake .......... More Libs Lacking a Lib Perspective

    Steven R Linnabary // Jan 4, 2010:

    “My advice to any prospective RP activists would be to pick one of the already active ideological parties (Green, Constitution, or Libertarian) and work within their already existing structure. You will save yourselves a lot of aggravation and ridicule.”

    From personal experience, that path way insures ‘aggravation and ridicule’! Sorry to say!

  14. Rob

    Oh, no arguing that a lot of the old RP folks could not stand Buchanan. But that’s the thing libertarianblue. That was not the opening act. If memory serves, Perot and Verney brought in Buchanan to chase away Ventura and Gargan. Before that, you had Dick Lamm’s people claiming they got screwed back in 1996. Since Buchanan, we have seen….well Nader. The various antics of the Mississippi gang (Shawn O’Hara, we hardly knew ye…) and….well, with all due respect to the late Mr. Weil, not much in 2008.

  15. Rev. James W. Clifton

    “My advice to any prospective RP activists would be to pick one of the already active ideological parties (Green, Constitution, or Libertarian) and work within their already existing structure. You will save yourselves a lot of aggravation and ridicule.”

    The problem with this is that all three of these parties draw sneers and smirks. The Green party has crazies in it like Cynthia McKinney and many who run on the ticket for local and state office that are one-issue (legalization of pot).

    The Libertarians similarly have some crazies in the Party–candidates campaigning in the nude, advocating pot legalization, etc.

    The Constitution Party has a basic foundation in the old George Wallace American Independent Party that was chock full of racists.

    I acknowledge the RP had its Venturas, Hagelins, Fulanis, and Buchanans, but the overwhelming majority in the past and present RP are people who are centrists, not fanatical fringe folks.

  16. The Last Conservative

    TPR, you may be thinking of Catholic Trotskyist, who said a couple days ago that he was taking another break. If I ever said that I was leaving for good, i have now changed my mind.

    The Reform Party, like all third parties, cannot overcome the spoiler effect in this political system. Nor should it. They would be as corrupt as all political parties in democracies and republics.

  17. Solomon Drek

    “Perot a joke? This is an interesting remark considering most political pundits had him winning at two of the three presidential debates in 1992.”

    If debates mattered Pat Buchanan would be President and Alan Keyes (who debated Obama in 2004) Senator from Illinois.

  18. Solomon Drek

    “The Reform Party, like all third parties, cannot overcome the spoiler effect in this political system. Nor should it. They would be as corrupt as all political parties in democracies and republics.”

    Just reading some of the posted items about intra-party fights with back-and forth accusations of wrongdoing, especially the LP, I’d say they have as much claim to be holier-than-thou as street corner con artists complaining about CEOs on Wall Street.

    The NJLP Sabrin campaign for Governor in 1997 is a good example. They spent over a million dollars with less than five percent of the vote to show for it. A few weeks after the election some party activists got hold of the financial statements and discovered more than half the amount was spent on administrative overhead, consultants and managers. Relatively little was spent on advertising which partly accounts for Sabrin’s poor showing. If efficiency was the measure, the Libertarian Sabrin campaign spent more dollars per vote received than either of the two major parties.

  19. libertarianblue

    I acknowledge the RP had its Venturas, Hagelins, Fulanis, and Buchanans, but the overwhelming majority in the past and present RP are people who are centrists, not fanatical fringe folks.

    ___________________________-

    Buchanan a centrist? Are you trying to be funny?

  20. Jake

    The issues with third parties in the USA, and largely NJ, is the states/counties/townships that they continue to market torwards. Here in New Jersey we are working on a complete strategy, and we would be more than willing to share it with people on IPR or 3rd Parties in NJ when its complete.

    In my opinion, there are a few major tonwships that the NJRP needs to market (Morristown, Woodbridge, Redbank, Westfield) and we are in the beginning phases of creating that plan. The first step, is to pump some interest through our myspace, twitter, facebook, blogs, and various other places.

    This summer, people will see the second step begin to form. Our goal is to be at a few different local festivals and community events throughout the Bayshore where we have nice experience media and marketing wise already from previous ventures.

    How do I know that some of this is working? We have been featured in the AH Herald, IPR twice, and have had some nice feedback through our sites.

    Hey, the Philly/ Southern NJ market will be feauting David Collison, our chairman, on a radio interview in a week or two. Look for that it will be online also.

  21. Rev. James W. Clifton

    “Buchanan a centrist? Are you trying to be funny?”

    You need to reread my post.

  22. Don Lake .......... More Liars among the Bible crew

    James W. Clifton // Jan 5, 2010:

    “Buchanan a centrist? Are you trying to be funny?”
    ————— You need to reread my post.

    Lake: color me ‘Room Temperature IQ’ as I reread and reread you posting and am confused as ever. Oh well, most of your stuff whizzes right by me any way, the only thing I get from your blogs [and book reviews and] is that you (at least) do not write like a Dem or GOP mole. Out side of that ……….

    If you want a hint of just how terrible veterans programs are plz feel free to google ‘Citizens For A Better Veterans Home’. If you are more of a oral learner I am in the phone book [Chula Vista, California] ………..

  23. Don Lake .......... More Liars among the Bible crew

    Dennis // Jan 5, 2010:
    …… my condolences for having to deal with Mr. Blare.

    [a] Just the gross lack of ethics, such as $100 of party related debts from P2004 …..

    [b] The steam roller attitude of take no prisoners —– no matter how trivial the issue. Screaming and yelling [like Iowa’s Ted Webster and Ohio’s Virginia Brooks, and Texan Beverly Kennedy] on teleconferences or face to face. Every agenda item was urgent and the end of the world ……

    [c] back to Blare. What’s the deal: dedicated zelot, mole, agent provocateur, just plain mean, misguided patriot ?????? All I know is that the concerns of Israel weigh most heavily with this Jewish Mafia member ……..

  24. James W. Clifton

    “Clifton, what do you have against legalizing pot?”

    Where did I say that? I merely made the comment many in third parties are running as one-issue candidates and the one issue is usually not something the majority of Americans support, that’s all. Therefore, they come off as somewhat fringe.

  25. James W. Clifton

    “Lake: color me ‘Room Temperature IQ’ as I reread and reread you posting and am confused as ever. Oh well, most of your stuff whizzes right by me any way, the only thing I get from your blogs [and book reviews and] is that you (at least) do not write like a Dem or GOP mole. Out side of that ……….

    If you want a hint of just how terrible veterans programs are plz feel free to google ‘Citizens For A Better Veterans Home’. If you are more of a oral learner I am in the phone book [Chula Vista, California] ………..”

    I don’t want to make this about me, but I want to be courteous and respond.

    My post stated that the RP had people like Nader, Hagelin, Fulani, and Buchanan BUT most in the RP are centrists.

    Now, I don’t know what you refer to when you mention vetrerans or book reviews. I am a veteran and have only reviewed a few books in my life, mostly in the psychology f ield. Take care and have fun in Chula Vista, the home of the now-defunct mail order ordination mill, The Church of the Gospel Ministry.

  26. Don Lake .......... More Liars with Dems and GOP

    # James W. Clifton // Jan 5, 2010

    Take care and have fun in Chula Vista [California] the home of the now-defunct and rapid failing apart ten year old veterans home and former work place of mail order femi nazi Rec Tech Jane Bergman, a non licensed therapy campus administrator, whom allowed nurses to go out of state [and out of country] on state paid vacation, er, ah training. // Jan 5, 2010

  27. Don Lake .......... More Liars with Dems and GOP

    To Dennis // Jan 5, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    [paraphrased:] I have minimal first-hand experience with Austrian Adolph Hitler. He, [however important Italy’s fascist juggernaut Benito Mussolini, 1919] , seems to identify himself as the [movement’s one and only guiding light]!

    Not only does the gross centralization of Blairville cripple the enterprise [like the imperial one man rule of history’s four famous fascist: Alexander the Grape, Neapolitan Blown Apart, Hitler and his tactical cousin Stalin], but the deceit and lies.

    Hitler: killing off dedicated loyalist[s], including, but not limited to his long time neice and girl friend, his first SS style enforcer [SA General Roam] and others whom have out lived their usefulness.

    Blair: has not officially killed off any one physically, as I sit typing thru my bleeding hyper blood pressure and dripping nose. But if you are not on Blair’s side, overtly [John ‘Bible Beater’ Bambi], covertly [lying, thieving, deceiving John Dennis Coffey, and his non existent hour’s long tele phone calls, strategy sessions and recon conclaves] or even neutralized fence sitting [and threaten property owner Valli Sharpe Giesler, then you, even upon death, are casted aside.

    RIP pioneers whom did not adore Blair [and they are legioned] have ether been neglected or slighted, or like 2009 departed Blair haters Kathy Chapman (California) and Ted Weill (Mississippi) —- all together.

    Dennis, I think open minded citizens, fed up with decades of bumbling by Dems and GOP HUNGER for centralist moderation. But, John Dennis Coffey, for example, was first known to me as a fellow Sandy Ego defender of abused citizen Dale Akiki and the ending of the fascist career of District Attorney Ed Miller, some two decades hence.

    Even then, ‘friendemies’ of Coffey would give off non verbal communications of John’s doubtful personal logic [rolling eyes, head tilts]. I have ‘loaned’ John money [while on an unimpressive income], bought computer systems —— never delivered, illegally taken legal advice from a law school graduate whom could not get around to passing the bar exam.

    Then it was discovered that John was begging money from my sweet heart and my self while rebuffing offers of aid from others. It was more important to present an ‘every thing is fine’ facade to friends and relatives than not to fiscally cripple political allies.

    The Jewish Nazi Blair connection ?????? John is born Catholic and mid life [like his former spouse] convert to Judeism . John stated time and time again, when the Blair cabal blurted out semi secret Citizens For A Better Veterans Home and anti Blair information, that he was not in contact with ‘the Dark Prince’.

    Then a review of Lake’s phone records turned up numerous personal phone calls to Blair while Coffey had access. Hmmmmmmmmm.

    I think voters will be receptive towards a moderate political entity ———– but not these Key Stone Cops and political nazi street thugs! The 21st Century ‘Night of the Long Knives’ any one? The 21st Century ‘Night of Broken Glass’ any one?

  28. Dennis

    @ Don Lake,

    I think that the RPNJ, like all party’s, must be very careful to assure that one individual does not rise to power; checks and balances make a good party, total dictatorship makes for fascism.

  29. Don Lake .......... More Liars with Dems and GOP

    Frank MacKay, Blare, Bambey, Coffey, Valli Sharpe Giesler, Sandra Madison, Jeff Rainforth, Beverly Kennedy, research, research, research.

    We (Citizens For A Better Veterans Home) could be biased and subjective (Coffey is co-founder and has screwed us over or at least disappointed us time and time again). Don’t take our word for it. Check it out, check it out, check it out!

  30. ......... Don Lake

    Dennis // Jan 7, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    @ Don Lake, to ‘Dennis’ ………..

    “call me, don’t be afraid to just call me …….”

    If any one is interested in the dead, dying and skeletons concerning the deform / reform movement, I know where some of the bodies are,

    ……. like first hand witnesses of Frank MacKay’s $500 check / payment / bribe for access to John ‘Bible Beater’ Bambey in his Sacramento [California] apartment!

    donlake@ymail.com

    619.420.0209

    263 Eucalyptus Court
    Chula Vista
    CAlifornia
    91910-3030

  31. Frank Rutherford

    I feel with with the lousy job our so called two major party’s have done with our country it’s time for a party like the reform party,when the people wake up after being totally violated and start to get hungry and lose homes as whats going on now,thats when all hell will break loose.Immortal words of Japans leaders I fear we have awakened a sleeping giant,that being us the every day American.GO REFORM PARTY.A side note if you ask a regular Joe what third party does he know of the reply will be the Reform Party nuff said

  32. ' Dear Frank Rutherford ', [Lake]

    NO —— NOT ENUF SAID!

    Franklyn, you ignorant slut …….. AND POORLY TRAINED HENRY ROSS PEROT MIMIC

    What is your connection with the Stand Up America, reform party, deform movement?

    You [conveniently] shut your eyes to the Patrick and Baye Buchanan 2000 $12.5M strong box robbery.

    I was begged, repeatedly, to throw in with the Rfm Party California and Rfm Party USA. The guy whom effectively and efficiently got me to sign on the dotted line quit the party in disgust weeks later.

    The gal that took over STILL owes me money for partisan projects. The vice chair quit weeks after his election. In 2005, John Blare, John Dennis Coffey (using MY telephone and MY wind up key computer), Valli Sharpe Geslier, and John ($500) Bambey, destroyed party communicates to quell a story on Israel’s murder of American sailors on the non combatant USS Liberty.

    Looking for truth, justice, and the American Way. Keep searching! Good luck!

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