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Fox News reports on Massachusetts showdown featuring Independent Libertarian Joe Kennedy

Excerpt from a Fox News story aout Joe Kennedy. This story made it to #1 on all of Google News, and as of this writing is still #1 for search term “Libertarian.”


Kennedy has come under pressure — he said he’s received five death threats — to withdraw because of his potential spoiler role. But he said those threats haven’t come from Coakley supporters, as he expected. Instead, he said, they’ve come from Brown backers.

He said Brown supporters have gotten emotional and are “blaming me for a Brown loss — and the advancement of Obamacare.”

Kennedy said he’s the only candidate against government-run health care, because Brown supports former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney’s version of public health care.

“The funny thing about the Brown supporters, they’re so unbelievably clueless,” he said. “If I withdrew from the race today, my vote would be split 60-40 going to Coakley.”


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  1. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes January 16, 2010

    At this late point in this special election cycle, victory for the libertarian is still possible. He is going to have to call a press conference & endorse & pursur The PLAS. Free media. Then contributors are going to have to immediately get online & contribute MAX. Then campaign buys all the media it can to advertise PLAS & educate the voters, especially the progressive voters. Repeatedly ask progressive voters to vote for the libertarian instead of the democrat in this election in exchange for the libertarians voting for the progressive/Green candidate in the future where there is no Libertarian on the ballot. Unless this is done immediately the libertarian will lose getting about 3%. I am still available to help this candidate win. But I’m not going to help him piss away an opportunity. Email me if you want to try The PLAS. Otherwise piss off, loser.

  2. Thomas L. Knapp Thomas L. Knapp January 17, 2010

    Bob,

    You write:

    “At this late point in this special election cycle, victory for the libertarian is still possible.”

    Well, yes. Some virus living on the walls of the Big Dig could theoretically mutate to specifically target the brains of people throwing off Democratic and Republican brain waves, propagate itself by dropping onto cars passing through the tunnel, kill off 90% of the state’s registered voters in the next 24 hours, cause its anguished bureaucrat victims to lose their minds and burn the absentee ballots they already have in hand, and then disappear leaving a blank slate, one living candidate, and only voters who support him.

    That strikes me as somewhat unlikely, though.

    “He is going to have to call a press conference & endorse & pursur The PLAS. Free media.”

    You may have a point there. If he gets 30 seconds of free media between now and Tuesday, they might dedicate five seconds to that angle.

    “Then contributors are going to have to immediately get online & contribute MAX. Then campaign buys all the media it can to advertise PLAS & educate the voters, especially the progressive voters.”

    You don’t have much experience with media buys, do you? I doubt there’s ten whole seconds of unsold commercial airtime in any Massachusetts market for between now and Tuesday, even if the brokers did work on Sunday and Martin Luther King Day.

    “Repeatedly ask progressive voters to vote for the libertarian instead of the democrat in this election in exchange for the libertarians voting for the progressive/Green candidate in the future where there is no Libertarian on the ballot.”

    In other words, offer them a deal that you can’t keep and that they’re unlikely to be interested in. Sounds like a winning strategy to me.

    “Unless this is done immediately the libertarian will lose getting about 3%.”

    I’m guessing 5-7%, but you may be closer. You do need to correct that typo, though. “Even if” is not spelled u-n-l-e-s-s.

    “I am still available to help this candidate win. But I’m not going to help him piss away an opportunity.”

    He’s not going to win, with or without your help. On the other hand, he’s not pissing away anything. I happen to know (I just spent a couple of hours working on it myself) that his Get Out The Vote effort is in full swing. If you’re interested in helping instead of spinning fairy tale dream webs, give Dr. Phillies a yell. He’ll put you to work.

  3. LibertarianGirl LibertarianGirl January 17, 2010

    God Tom you’re so negative …. I was thinking if we all wished really really REALLY hard , it could happen:)

  4. PLAS ROCKS!!! PLAS ROCKS!!! January 17, 2010

    “Otherwise piss off, loser.”

    Very inspiring, Bob!

  5. Bruce Cohen Bruce Cohen January 17, 2010

    Joe Kennedy broke the ‘great divide’ for us, and hurrah for that!

    ******DEBATE!!!****

    He got into the debates and that’s the first big step for us, as Libertarians.

    The Party itself didn’t seem to mobilize much for Joe. I got more email and inbox news from and about his opponents, and I’ve never been a registered Democrat or Republican in my life.

    It would be nice if we could all push together when we have a great national candidate.

    I was in Joe’s position a few years ago, when Congressman Chris Cox vacated his seat and I ran for it.

    I got some great press and news, and debated him on TV, but the LP was pretty quiet.

    When it’s the ONLY thing going on in the news for us, we ought to make a LOT more hay about it.

    Another missed opportunity.

  6. Bruce Cohen Bruce Cohen January 17, 2010

    Check Mister Milnes website, folks. He’s an ‘interesting’ and important pundit.

  7. Epperson Epperson January 17, 2010

    Let’s be realistic here. Libertarians would stand a greater chance of winning a seat in Washington if they hijacked the GOP.

    Think Fabian.

    Ron Paul is a perfect example. He’s able to cast a wider net because of the (R) next to his name even though his politics is in direct conflict with his contemporaries on the Right. He’ s a Libertarian wearing a Republican suit. Yet the Libertarian Party is stubbornly refusing to adjust, modify or rethink their strategy.

    Capturing less than 5% of votes to send messages won’t work when both parties have agreed to shut out third parties from national debates. See: Clinton, Dole, Perot.

    If the Libertarian goal is to install a free market economy and gold standard through the elimination of the Fed Reserve, IRS and regulatory agencies, what difference will it make if a politician with a (R) executes it instead a politician with a (L)?

  8. Bruce Cohen Bruce Cohen January 17, 2010

    There are valid and valuable reasons for Libertarians to run. Not the least of which is to force both other candidates to run more Libertarian if they want ‘our’ votes.

    If the Republican wants and needs our votes so badly, they should work harder at deserving it.

    I’ve never voted against a Libertarian in my life.
    And I don’t plan ever to, either.

    I get Epperson’s argument, I really do.
    But I also don’t agree with it.

    Libertarians have a ton more leverage registering and voting Libertarian. And if some other candidate wants those votes, they have only two ways to get them.

    #1 Cut a deal with the Libertarian Candidate
    or
    #2 Start voting and acting Libertarian.

    I personally am saddened that the national LP didn’t make more of a fuss about Joe’s race and set up a national GOTV phone bank.

    At the very least, it would force the Republican to scramble for ‘our’ votes and make us some promises on how he’ll be voting our way if elected.

    I like that.

    Even though, I STILL would not vote GOP.

  9. George Phillies George Phillies January 17, 2010

    @7

    As a list of Libertarian goals, those are pretty limited. How about core Libertarian goals like
    ending the warfare state
    massive demobilization
    ending the war on drugs
    equality for all before the law by repealing DOMA and DADT
    protecting a woman’s right to choose, either way

    You aren’t going to get that half of our platform from a Republican.

  10. Michael H. Wilson Michael H. Wilson January 17, 2010

    Well George maybe some day we’ll get across the point that the three countries where the U.S. has had the most troops stationed abroad for the last 60 years are the same countries we import most of the foreign cars sold in the U.S. from. Germany, Japan and Korea. And who is paying the taxes to support those troop deployments?

    If we could just get our candidates to begin mentioning something along this line then maybe we might see a breakthrough. Maybe we need to buy billboards.

    I’ll keep wishin’. Maybe I oughta go piss up a rope to.

  11. Michael H. Wilson Michael H. Wilson January 17, 2010

    By the way I wish Joe the best and thank him and his crew for all that has been done.

    Thanks to all of you.

    MHW

  12. Epperson Epperson January 17, 2010

    “You aren’t going to get that half of our platform from a Republican.”

    Even if you get 30% of what Libertarians want (an optimistic assumption), 30% of something is better than 100% of nothing.

    Unless you have more Ron Pauls out there pushing Libertarian interests, the strategy is simply not working.

  13. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes January 17, 2010

    lg @3, thank you for the comment with positive vibes. & my compliments to the NV delegates who supported Gravel as you described. Just out of curiousity, if Gravel had won, how did you plan to get pure sweet Mary to vp?/// Tom @2, no, I was kind of hoping George would email ME!

  14. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes January 17, 2010

    Tom, what good is a generic get out the vote effort? GOTV should be message to voters if you are progressive or libertarian gotv & both vote for the lib where there is no Green or progressive on the ballot.

  15. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes January 17, 2010

    Well it has been almost 2 days since my post at 1. I have not detected anything I would call encouraging. So I guess Mr. Kennedy is just another dime a dozen losertarian. Hee Haw!

  16. Michael H. Wilson Michael H. Wilson January 17, 2010

    @ 5 Bruce wrote; “I was in Joe’s position a few years ago, when Congressman Chris Cox vacated his seat and I ran for it.

    I got some great press and news, and debated him on TV, but the LP was pretty quiet.

    When it’s the ONLY thing going on in the news for us, we ought to make a LOT more hay about it.

    Another missed opportunity.”

    In 1995 Bob Packwood resigned his U.S. Senate seat. We ran a candidate and while I don’t remember what position he held Steve Dasbach was at national at the time. Our guy never even got so much as a thank you call card or letter.

    Having been in the business world for some years I figured if the national office couldn’t even get a card out to say thanks then they obviously did not know what the hell they were doing. Sometimes it is the little things that count.

    I hope with Wes at the helm things have changed but I guess we’ll wait and see. It is just tiring to watch the same mistakes year after year.

  17. Thomas L. Knapp Thomas L. Knapp January 18, 2010

    Bob,

    You write:

    “Tom, what good is a generic get out the vote effort? GOTV should be message to voters if you are progressive or libertarian gotv & both vote for the lib where there is no Green or progressive on the ballot.”

    You just described a “generic GOTV campaign” — and one that’s not likely to resonate very well.

    The Kennedy GOTV campaign is running on two tracks — contacting voters with known Libertarian affiliation or affinity, and contacting voters en masse.

    I did not write, nor have I seen, the scripts for the latter piece of the effort, but I do know that the voter lists we’re working with include registration info (R for Republican, D for Democrat, etc.), so hopefully the callers will have scripts for the various affiliations and target the message to the affiliation of each voter called.

    Yes, I’m sure that you DID hope George would email you — to offer you an “executive advisory” position on the campaign and pay you to come to Massachusetts and shout your message from the rooftops. Hint: You’re a lot more likely to get your field marshal’s baton and buy-in to your fairy tale plans if you’re willing to do some actual political work first.

  18. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes January 18, 2010

    Tom, call the registered Greens & say There is no Green on the ballot. Which evil are you going to vote for, the dem or rep? Cause they won’t vote libertarian for a whole bunch of reasons.

  19. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes January 18, 2010

    Bruce Cohen, you sound ok to me. Were you involved in that CA hassle? Give us your version please.

  20. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes January 18, 2010

    Tom, I did my political work 35 years ago in Boulder. Learned the hard way about the Crazy Losers Club. Got burn-out. Not interested in a do-over, thanks.

  21. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes January 18, 2010

    Tom, I,m open to suggestions. I’m only one person & quite fucked up. Broke & depressed. Won’t allow myself to take drugs -or meds-or booze. But I sure remember how good whiskey went down! Cheated out of house. Living half in run down trailer & half in van. Half blind. Yes, I have a cataract that the dr. said was from trauma-I wuz mugged! &lost my glasses. Half lame. Left leg bad sciatica from sleeping on a bad mattress. & that is just the tip of the iceberg. What do you suggest I do?

  22. Erik Geib Erik Geib January 18, 2010

    Our national office has all of 6 full-time employees, and their duties basically consist of doing all the necessary paperwork to run a national party. The people who work there don’t have a lot of time or resources to play a major role in state-level campaigning. Just planning conventions and meetings, communicating with state chairs, putting out press releases, tracking donors and members, etc. is pretty taxing given our resources. To expect much more is unfair.

    I wish we were larger and had the resources, but unfortunately we just aren’t. As I’ve said before, I always find it amusing how libertarians, who are grounded in a philosophy of personal and/or localized governance, are so quick to judge the workings of a distant national office.

  23. George Phillies George Phillies January 18, 2010

    The LNC has limited resources, and they are shrinking.

    From 2000 to 2009 (need to annualize one month of 2009 as of when I checked) LNC income fell at 11% a year (nominal dollars) or 15% a year (real dollars). A straight line extrapolation — the past does not predict the future, but it’s not a bad starting point if you have some sense–indicates that sometime around 2016 the LNC runs out of money, give or take.

    There is not a matter of fault here, but there is a bit of a need for some course changes. Perhaps you start by asking if the pilot and navigation team, the Treasurer and Executive Committee, have been discussing the situation with the LNC. There’s a good tape of the San Diego meeting, so you can judge for yourselves.

    Paulie has the graphs, which incidentally show that real dollar income and party membership are in pretty good agreement except for the peaks in election years.

  24. Thomas L. Knapp Thomas L. Knapp January 18, 2010

    Bob,

    You write:

    “Tom, call the registered Greens & say There is no Green on the ballot. Which evil are you going to vote for, the dem or rep? Cause they won’t vote libertarian for a whole bunch of reasons.”

    OK. So explain to me how telling them “some guy in a trailer in New Jersey said to tell you to vote libertarian because if you do, the rules of math will magically change and your 0.5% plus our 0.5% will add up to a 34% plurality!” is going to trump that “whole bunch of reasons.”

    What do I suggest you do? I suggest you get your life somewhat straightened out and then, if you want to be listened to and have your views adopted, start walking the talk you that you keep saying others should be walking for you.

  25. Darcy G Richardson Darcy G Richardson January 18, 2010

    Well, Eric, that’s all nice and good, but it might seem to some like the staff has a wee bit too much time on their hands if they can find the time between all of their rigorous paperwork, the hours spent tracking contributors — are they lost? — press releases and communications to party officials around the country to devise a ridiculously-worded poll to undermine the party’s only “state-level” candidate facing the electorate within 72 hours of an election.

    You can mock libertarians across the country all you want, but the Watergate needs a good washing, a thorough cleaning, if you know what I mean.

  26. Darcy G Richardson Darcy G Richardson January 18, 2010

    Erik, not Eric @ #21. My apologies.

  27. Darcy G Richardson Darcy G Richardson January 18, 2010

    Erik, one other thing. I know, I know, I’m like Roseanne Roseannadanna… always having something else to add, but the Socialist Party had only one — count ’em, one — full-time employee and two or three part-time employees during the Great Depression when Norman Thomas polled nearly a million votes against Franklin Roosevelt and Herbert Hoover. Of course, that was before the Internet — when communications with party leaders across the country involved typing and physically mailing letters to the party members and local party officials…

    Sadly, the Libertarian Party has spent too much time among the elites in Washington…

  28. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes January 18, 2010

    LG @3, you know, you are somebody. If you & maybe a couple of others said hey, let’s try this PLAS thing. We constantly lose. Maybe this could work. Or rattle a few cages or change something for the better. Beats doing nothing or the same old stuff. Maybe it would get tried.

  29. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes January 18, 2010

    tom, Greens have a whole bunch of reasons to not vote Libertarian. But they also have some TO vote Libertarian. One would be if there was no Green on that particular ballot. Another would be if enough others did it, that Lib might win & they might return the favor next time there was no Lib but a Green on the ballot. But nobody is explaining that to the Greens or the Libs or THE VOTERS.

  30. Melty Melty January 18, 2010

    Attorney General Coakley opposed the Marijuana Decriminalization initiative that voters passed with 65% last November. She then refused to investigate the district attorneys who illegally used state resources to oppose it and smear proponents. Has this hurt her popularity any? Might there be some Coakley votes going to Kennedy over this? . . . just wonderin

  31. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes January 18, 2010

    Tom, DI have a couple of tech questions for you. I got the Tiny Book mini laptop the other day. It is a Samsung with Windows CE6. I haven’t found out the processor yet but it is probably not dual core. I can’t get it to download my ATT Communications Manager when I plug the modem into the USB. The blue internet indicator light flickers but that’s about it. there is a procedure in the instruction manual but I can’t figure it out. 2. On my Everywhere TV, I have never gotten the local ABC Channel 6 or the local PBS Channel 12 on auto scan. How come?

  32. JT JT January 18, 2010

    Wilson: “In 1995 Bob Packwood resigned his U.S. Senate seat. We ran a candidate and while I don’t remember what position he held Steve Dasbach was at national at the time. Our guy never even got so much as a thank you call card or letter.”

    A thank you letter for what?! A state LP is *supposed* to run a candidate in a U.S. Senate race! If you don’t field one, especially in an election where the incumbent has resigned, you don’t even deserve to exist. I mean, really.

    Phillies: “From 2000 to 2009 (need to annualize one month of 2009 as of when I checked) LNC income fell at 11% a year (nominal dollars) or 15% a year (real dollars). A straight line extrapolation — the past does not predict the future, but it’s not a bad starting point if you have some sense–indicates that sometime around 2016 the LNC runs out of money, give or take.”

    Gee, I wonder why. Could it have anything to do with the fact that the LP leaders who had *tripled* the size of the party were condemned as scam artists (and worse) and driven away? No, obviously no relationship there.

  33. Troll Police Troll Police January 18, 2010

    “if you want to be listened to”

    He is being listened to — by Tom Knapp, a prominent LP leader, and Milnes’s most reliable source for troll food.

  34. Don Lake .......... More Don Lake .......... More January 18, 2010

    “the …… leaders who had *tripled* the size of the party were condemned as scam artists (and worse) and driven away? No, obviously no relationship there.”

    “Our guy never even got so much as a thank you call card or letter.”

    Ah the care, and feeding, AND NEGLECT of volunteers. Treat valuable folks like they do not exist and they won’t. We should be supporting each other instead of aggrandizing a selected few.

    Ah, so called leaders! Remember it is the runner that completes the race, not the coach! Remember it is the athlete that scores the goal, not the manager!

    I still remember Reich Marshall John Blare grabbing my arm on a much needed break. Already a confirmed Perot/ Nader voter and supporter [and a minor hero of the SUCCESSFUL Dump Davis effort] , Mister Super Jew felt the need to deny me ‘away time’ to regale me with ‘my mission’ of 2004.

    Abused rank and file driving fascist bullies away. I wish. My deform party reform party reflections are of the inverse!

    I use to date doctors, lawyers, and PhDs. I use to work at the most recognized university system on the planet. Some where is the ‘dumbest PhD on the globe’. [Maybe some where in New England ????????????]

    The Kindergarten report card of most L ‘leaders’ [in California: Richard ‘San Paper’ Rider or Ed Tresslier] ‘does not play well with others ……’

    Ah, people skills, no wonder we ‘Loyal Opposition’ do not dent the crappy, corrupt Establishment Duopoly.

  35. Mik Robertson Mik Robertson January 18, 2010

    @26 In the first part of the 20th century, party leadership had to be closer to the local areas where they had significant support, for the reasons you mentioned. It didn’t make any sense to have people in a central location where they couldn’t know what was going on in the field easily or in a timely manner.

    With the improvements in communication, we can get video images in real time from anywhere anyone has a camera, and communication is for all intents and purposes is instantaneous. So now it is possible to have a handful of people in a central office be as efficient as having field offices many years ago. Apples and oranges.

  36. Don Lake .......... More Don Lake .......... More January 18, 2010

    Mik Robertson // Jan 18, 2010:

    @26 ………. “So now it is possible to have a handful of people in a central office”

    Lake Reply: 1970 and 2010, forty years of spinning your political wheels ………

    Doctor Philism: “How’s that working for you bucko ?????????????”

  37. Mik Robertson Mik Robertson January 18, 2010

    There is progress. It may not always be measured in electoral success of candidates, but there is progress. If the goal is to have a candidate be elected President, there is still a long way to go, if not then it is different.

  38. Marc Montoni Marc Montoni January 18, 2010

    @ # 5…

    He got into the debates and that’s the first big step for us, as Libertarians.

    Actually LP candidates have gotten into televised debates for as long as I can remember. For instance, Jim Turney ran for VA-03 House of Representatives in 1980, and was in all the televised debates I heard of.

  39. Erik Geib Erik Geib January 19, 2010

    Darcy, first of all, I’m certainly not mocking libertarians (I’m an LP member). Second, I hardly consider such simple historical analysis to be of any effective input towards this conversation. Norman Thomas, the Socialist Party, and 1932 are hardly comparable reference points for any discussion today. Now…

    I hardly think the poll is a big deal. It’s not the first “controversial” poll we’ve had, and it’s unlikely to be the last. Those who are getting offended so easily are too sensitive, have too much time on their hands, or enjoy picking fights with anyone who disagrees with their operative vision. At least that’s in my experience of witnessing such ‘outrage.’

    Nevertheless, that was hardly my point. I was merely responding to the notion that the national office could or even should do major work on Joe Kennedy’s behalf. It’s hardly the purpose of the headquarters staff, nor do they have the resources. Don’t like it? Find a way to commit yourself full-time to doing a better job or help fundraise to expand party infrastructure and organization.

    Now, this is hardly a case of me being a LNC apologist. I disagree with a number of ways we operate, but prefer going through existing channels to reform such items. I don’t think most of the people who bitch about National on the internet have half a clue of what goes on in that office.

  40. Thomas L. Knapp Thomas L. Knapp January 19, 2010

    Bob,

    If you’re running Windows CE, what you probably have is an ARM processor, and your AT&T software is probably just not compatible with that processor (or with CE).

    Is this some kind of software for running 3G? If so, they may have an ARM/CE version. Otherwise, you might look into whether or not the machine will handle a real OS (presumably a Linux distro) instead of the latest Microsoft abortion.

    I don’t even know what an “Everywhere TV” is, let alone what might be wrong with it.

  41. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes January 19, 2010

    Tom, it does say ARM on the bottom but I didn’t know what that was. So you suggest I try deleting CE & install another OS? I’m going to my webby’s store tomorrow. Run it by him.
    Everywhere TV is just a name for a GPX model small TV. Flat 7″ digital with external antenna. Convenient to carry & quickly set up auto scan. Must be still to operate though.

  42. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes January 19, 2010

    I don’t know if there is such software. The ATT modem has software built in.

  43. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes January 19, 2010

    Everywhere TV must be still to operate-so it won’t work in a moving vehicle.

  44. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes January 19, 2010

    There is a window for installing a wireless network. But it is complicated & seems old fashioned. Whereas the Windows xp I have on my desktop computer just accepts the ATT software & promptly displays the Communication Manager. Maybe webby can walk me through setup.

  45. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes January 19, 2010

    Do you know why running the Everywhere tv in a moving vehicle is a problem? One can run a cellphone or laptop in a moving vehicle.

  46. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes January 19, 2010

    Troll police @2, yes, & I bet Tom wouldn’t give you the time of day.

  47. Thomas L. Knapp Thomas L. Knapp January 19, 2010

    Bob,

    The “wireless network setup” on your machine is probably for wi-fi, not 3G.

    Beyond that, I’m out of my element — I’ve never used CE, and I’m not finding answers on Google.

    Your web guy can probably help you through it, since he’ll actually have the machine there to play with.

    I do know that AT&T itself was talking about selling an ARM Netbook with a Linux OS. I think it was Ubuntu. If that’s so, then presumably Ubuntu can recognize and work with the modem.

    Rule #1: If you can avoid Windoze, do so.

  48. Thomas L. Knapp Thomas L. Knapp January 19, 2010

    Troll Police,

    I listen to pretty much everyone.

    It’s 1:26 am Central.

  49. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes January 19, 2010

    Yes, it was inside the Wi-fi icon on its desktop.
    Hey, if you want to listen to Troll police at 2am, it’s on you. I’d prefer just The Police, but that’s me.

  50. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes January 19, 2010

    Maybe I can sell this Tinybook to paulie! Ha,Ha!

  51. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes January 19, 2010

    What is ATT’s interest in ARM/Linux? Do they own either?

  52. Thomas L. Knapp Thomas L. Knapp January 19, 2010

    Bob,

    So far as I know, AT&T does not have a stake in ARM Holdings.

    ARM chips are cheap enough to make cheap devices with (they’re in 98% of mobile phones), but powerful enough to run a computer that isn’t being asked to do too much. A netbook is used for some web-surfing and email, not to run a bunch of power apps.

    No, AT&T doesn’t own Linux. Nobody owns Linux. AT&T did, however, develop Unix, which Linux is an open source take on. AT&T sold Unix to Novell, which sold it to SCO, which sold it to Caldera, which changed its name to the SCO Group and started threatening to sue people over Linux but which has pretty much been laughed out of the room.

    AT&T is probably interested in offering Linux netbooks because it’s a free OS, which means they can cut prices without cutting profits, and because there are distributions of it that work on ARM and Atom chips, which are popular for powering netbooks.

  53. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes January 19, 2010

    It says the sd memory slot can take a “maximum” 4GB. I did some shecking. They come i 2,4,8 &16 GB. So what would happen if I put an 8 or 16 in? & I’ve never used Wi-fi. Is it free where available or is there some sort of fee system?

  54. Thomas L. Knapp Thomas L. Knapp January 19, 2010

    Bob,

    I don’t know what would happen if you put in an 8Mb or 16Mb card. Best case, it would only use up to 4Mb of it. Worst case, it wouldn’t read the card at all.

    Wi-fi is often free at restaurants, bars, in commercial districts (the local merchants’ association will set up an open network). Some cities were even tinkering with citywide “free” Wi-fi, but I don’t think that took off.

    Other venues — hotels, for example, sometimes charge for Wi-fi access and sometimes don’t. If they do, as soon as you open your browser a screen will come up explaining how to pay or demanding a login to prove you’ve paid or whatever.

    Heck, someone in your trailer court may have Wi-Fi, and they may have set it up as an open access point. To find out, see if your computer shows any networks in the area. If it does, try to sign on. If it demands login info, try “guest” as username and pwd. If a neighbor has a Wi-fi net but hasn’t left it open, you might be able to work a deal with them, $5 a month to use their network or whatever.

  55. 91% 91% January 21, 2010

    “Let’s be realistic here. Libertarians would stand a greater chance of winning a seat in Washington if they hijacked the GOP. ”

    No chance of that. That they allow a Ron Paul to exist does not mean they would allow their entire party to be “hijacked.”

  56. 91% 91% January 21, 2010

    “If the Libertarian goal is to install a free market economy and gold standard through the elimination of the Fed Reserve, IRS and regulatory agencies, ”

    That’s only one leg of libertarian goals.

    Peace and civil liberties are at least as important.

  57. 91% 91% January 21, 2010

    Comments @ 8, 9, 10

    Right on the money.

  58. 91% 91% January 21, 2010

    “Even if you get 30% of what Libertarians want (an optimistic assumption), 30% of something is better than 100% of nothing.”

    You’ll get 100% of nothing from Republicans. They will always sell out their free market rhetoric (lip service) to get more “morality” legislation, more military-industrial complex, more corporate welfare, more drug war, more police-prison-industrial complex and more homeland surveillance state.

    When you lay down with dogs, you wake up with fleas.

    The same goes for any peace and civil liberties rhetoric from Democrats.

    All empty promises and lies. Every time.

  59. No more Brown bag huffing No more Brown bag huffing January 21, 2010

    “tom, Greens have a whole bunch of reasons to not vote Libertarian.”

    Too busy humping a dead moose?

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