AZ Candidate for Libertarian Nomination for Governor Applauds New Immigration Measure

Libertarian candidate for governor of Arizona, Bruce Olson, writes at his blog, the Arizona Sentinel, that Arizona has “made history”:

Well, Governor Brewer  , your making it tough to run against ya.  Im proud to call you Governor.  This will be the first step ,  other states must follow suit.  Now its up to the county Sheriffs to do their job.  The federal government will attempt to stomp on this legislation.  All legal Arizonans must stand with our Governor , the legislature, and our law enforcement agencies. Its a great day for Arizona.  The message is loud and clear. If your here illegally, leave.  Kuddo’s Governor Brewer

55 thoughts on “AZ Candidate for Libertarian Nomination for Governor Applauds New Immigration Measure

  1. Richard Winger

    Maybe another Arizona Libertarian with a different viewpoint will also run for Governor. The deadline for filing for the primary is several weeks away. The Arizona Libertarian Party nominates by primary.

  2. Chris Cole

    I hope so. If the Libertarian candidate is virtually endorsing the sitting Republican governor, we certainly don’t need him on the ballot. And I hate to see a Libertarian buying into the anti-immigrant xenophobia popular among conservatives. That is NOT a pro-liberty position.

  3. d.eris

    There is also Barry Hess, who is linked at the AZ LP website, which does not mention Olson. I have not found any mention of the new law on Hess’s website.

    Border control is the top issue at the AZ LP platform page. It closes with the following points:

    “We advocate the establishment of a state level program that includes documentation enabling due process and legal responsibility and accountability.

    Remove the immunity from prosecution for violation of state or federal constitutionally guaranteed rights which Border Patrol currently enjoys, and punish severely those individuals who use their position of authority improperly.”

  4. Ross Levin

    What’s more libertarian than racial profiling and a police state? And what’s better politics than fawning over your opponent?

    The Libertarian Parties of Wyoming and Arizona have a very limited time to get their act together with their gubernatorial candidates…

  5. d.eris

    On immigration, candidate Mike Ross writes:

    “The government doesn’t have any business telling people where they can work or live. And if I get elected I will do absolutely nothing to enforce the current immigration laws. And I will pardon anybody that gets arrested for being here illegally.”

    From Gene’s link above.

  6. LibertarianBlue

    The LP cant be let itself be pushed around by isolationist Paleocons and racial profiling happy cons. We have to take a stand on illegal immigration and say no to amnesty and no to police state tactics.

  7. paulie

    I think our headline should make clear that this clown is not ‘the’ LP candidate, but a candidate for the nomination. Big difference!

  8. paulie

    Too bad Mike Ross is not a serious candidate.
    I doubt Olson ever was either. If Hess is running, I’d say it will probably be him.

  9. d.eris

    “I think our headline should make clear that this clown is not ‘the’ LP candidate, but a candidate for the nomination”

    I was thinking that myself, which is why I didn’t write “Libertarian Party” candidate. “Libertarian Tea Party Candidate” might be the most appropriate, since he uses these two terms himself. But I don’t know if that makes it clear that he is but one, and not “the” candidate.

  10. Richard Winger

    The Constitution Party has never been on the ballot in Arizona. They have tried many times but never succeeded. That is ironic, because the Constitution Party did the good lobbying work in 2006 to reduce the number of signatures, which certainly made it possible for the Greens to qualify in 2010 in Arizona.

  11. Trent Hill

    The CP is not likely to get on in AZ anytime soon, either. They simply lack an organization there, for whatever reason.

  12. Tom Blanton

    Well, Governor Brewer , your making it tough to run against ya.

    This guy has been listening to too many Sarah Palin speeches. She often uses the word “ya”. He also spelled “your” wrong – it’s “yur”.

    And of course he’s proud, who wouldn’t be? The state has taken over the responsibility of hassling Latino people, freeing up time for rednecks to go to tea parties and rally for freedom:

    http://www.azfamily.com/news/Man-says-he-was-racially-targeted-forced-to-provide-birth-certificate-91769419.html

  13. Montana

    Arizona can pass race base laws, pass Birthers laws and the state can continue to boycott Martin Luther King Day, well the rest of the Country can boycott the state of Arizona and spank them where it hurts them the most their pocket book. Their phony patriotism is sickening, they are just racists going by another name. We all know you are just itching to put a sheet on their head? Let’s face it the Republicans had eight years to deal with health care, immigration, climate change and financial oversight and governance and they failed. It appears that the Republican Party is only good at starting wars (two in eight years, with fat War profiteering contracts to friends of Cheney/Bush) but not at winning wars as seen by the continuing line of body bags that keep coming home. The Republicans party will continue turned inward to their old fashion obstructionist party (and their Confederacy appreciation roots) because they continue to allow a small portions (but very loud portion) of their party of “birthers, baggers and blowhards” to rule their party. I will admit that this fringe is very good at playing “Follow the Leader” by listening to their dullard leaders, Beck, Hedgecock, Hannity, O’Reilly, Rush, Savage, Sarah Bailin, Orly Taitz, Victoria Jackson, Michele Bachmann and the rest of the Blowhards and acting as ill programmed robots (they have already acted against doctors that perform abortions). The Birthers and the Tea party crowd think they can scare, intimidate and force others to go along with them by comments like “This time we came unarmed”, let me tell you something not all ex-military join the fringe militia crazies who don’t pay taxes and run around with face paint in the parks playing commando, the majority are mature and understand that the world is more complicated and grey than the black and white that these simpleton make it out to be and that my friend is the point. The world is complicated and people like Hamilton, Lincoln, and Roosevelt believed that we should use government a little to increase social mobility, now it’s about dancing around the claim of government is the problem. The sainted Reagan passed the biggest tax increase in American history and as a result federal employment increased, but facts are lost when mired in mysticism and superstition. For a party that gave us Abraham Lincoln, it is tragic that the ranks are filled with too many empty suits and the crazy Birthers who have not learned that the way our courts work is that you get a competent lawyer, verifiable facts and present them to a judge, if the facts are real and not half baked internet lies, then, and only then, do you proceed to trial. The Birthers seem to be having a problem with their so called “facts”. Let’s face it no one will take the Birthers seriously until they win a case, but until then, you will continue to appear dumb, crazy or racist, or maybe all three. I heard that Orly Taitz now wants to investigate the “Republican 2009 Summer of Love” list: Assemblyman, Michael D. Duvall (CA), Senator John Ensign (NV), Senator Paul Stanley (TN), Governor Mark Stanford (SC), Board of Ed Chair, and Kristin Maguire AKA Bridget Keeney (SC), she wants to re-establish a family values party, that’s like saying that the Catholic Church cares about the welling being of children in their care, too late for that.

  14. Barry Hess

    We are already on a very successful run for the LP nomination. Our website is: http://www.HessForGovernor.com and on FaceBook: hess4governor
    Bruce displays the thought process I see all the time in disgruntled Republicans. He makes it clear that he has no interest in forwarding the libertarian philosophy, but decided to ‘sign up’ for easier ballot access. You might be interested in going through our entire site.

    As always, I remain at your service–
    Barry Hess

  15. Barry Hess

    If you haven’t heard of our campaign, either you’re not paying attention, or we need to have a bigger presence. To have a bigger presence, we need to advertise. To advertise, we need contributions. That’s where you come in…..

    Please contribute at: http://www.HessForGovernor.com

  16. Barry Hess

    If you haven’t heard about our campaign, it’s because your contribution hasn’t shown up yet. YOU could put us over the top!

    Please give $20, $50, $100 ($840.00 max) or whatever it’s worth to you to have a candidate who proudly carries the message of individual liberty without excuse or apology.

    Please contribute at: http://www.HessForGovernor.com

    Thanks!
    Barry

  17. Warren

    One should not immediately assume that a candidate who is running for office in a Libertarian primary election actually IS philosophically a Libertarian. Let me explain.

    The state Libertarian Party spends most of its energy and resources maintaining “ballot access”. That is, by maintaining a sufficient number of registered Libertarian voters the party is able to substantially reduce the number of petition signatures required for its candidates to appear on ballots.

    That’s obviously a good thing to do except for one little problem. It also lowers the petition signature requirements for anyone who wants to run for office, knows how the system works, and so registers as a Libertarian-of-convenience.

    The state party doesn’t decide who runs for office. That’s what primary elections are for. The voters make the decision. We count on them to weed out the carpetbaggers.

    -Warren Severin
    Secretary, Arizona Libertarian Party

  18. Kevin O'Connell

    Gene Berkman // Apr 25, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    Mike Ross is also seeking the Libertarian nomination for Governor of Arizona – his site is http://arizona-governor.tripod.com/

    He sounds pretty hard-core! I found the link through Politics1.com which has listed both candidates for months.
    ===================

    Mike Ross has spent most of the last 10 years living in public parks. Back in the 90s the mortgage company foreclosed on his home and he thinks that it was seized by the government becasue he did not now his lawn.

    He refers to people who murder government employees as “freedom fighters”.

    He also has felony arrest and conviction records for two bombings of a government building as well as arson.

    Ross is not “hard core”, just defective.

  19. Brian Holtz

    Mr. Hess, Vin Suprynowicz (the 2000 LPAZ nominee for VP) says that “most Libertarian candidates are crooks by the time they get on the ballot”, by engaging in the fraud of declining to advocate e.g. the right to own personal nuclear weapons.

    When you campaign “without excuse or apology”, will that include defending the right to own personal nuclear weapons?

  20. JT

    Chris @ 2: “If the Libertarian candidate is virtually endorsing the sitting Republican governor, we certainly don’t need him on the ballot. ”

    I concur. This bothers me more than Olson’s view on immigration, which I don’t agree with (I don’t expect 100 percent purity from LP candidates for governor though). But for a Libertarian to praise a Republican opponent vociferously is asinine. If you think the GOP incumbent is good, you shouldn’t run. Step aside for a Libertarian candidate who believes neither Democrat nor Republican politicians are fit to hold office and doesn’t heap praise on any of them, which can easily backfire.

  21. Bruce Olsen

    A friend sent me this site. Suggesting that I answer the hits regarding my position on SB 1070. So here goes, its real simple.
    For those of you that are of the Libertarian party, let me direct you to a book written by your VP Nominie in 2008, Wayne Allen Root. I think we can assume that since Wayne made it to the number two slot, it stands to reason that the majority of the Libertarian party agrees with his position on illegal immigration. After reading Waynes book” The Conscience of a Libertarian” I knew I had found a political home.
    Let me suggest that you buy this book and pay particular attention to Chapter 21 page 223-233. Let me also suggest that you join a minuteman group, go to the border, participate in several events. After 5-6 events, I will bet a big mac and fries that your views will be different than they are today. By the way, I like mine with cheese. ::((. I can also tell you that having traveled all over the state since September collecting signatures from registered Libertarians. The views expressed above by nay sayers are not common in rural Arizona. Ive received emails from registered Libertarians from all over the state, supporting border security. And the Independants are all over making our borders secure and removing illegal aliens from our states. So I may not appeal to the dope smoking tweakers, thats fine, I never intended to in the first place. Havaday

  22. paulie

    I think we can assume that since Wayne made it to the number two slot, it stands to reason that the majority of the Libertarian party agrees with his position on illegal immigration.

    That would be a very silly assumption.

  23. paulie

    After reading Waynes book” The Conscience of a Libertarian” I knew I had found a political home.

    It’s tempting to think this guy is trying to score cheap anti-Wayne Root points, but I think he’s serious.

  24. paulie

    Let me also suggest that you join a minuteman group, go to the border, participate in several events.

    Only if I wanted to catch the minute men by surprise by shooting them in the back. Not really worth going to prison for life for, although it would be fun until I got caught.

  25. Barry Hess

    Anyone who thinks Wayne Root has a clue as to what it means to be Libertarian is a fool. I led the fight against his Republicanesque back room deal with Barr at the convention. Here’s my speech given minutes before the balloting began: http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=60207727
    and, here’s a clip from the very first Tea Party held at the Capitol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX7drh-JsJQ&feature=channel
    The nomination process was not a coronation by any stretch of the imagination, in fact it went to 6 rounds and Root was blown out because he’s just another disgruntled, misinformed Republican. I told Barr and Root that they had won the nomination (stacking the delegates) but lost the party. Did you notice that no Libertarians supported Barr/Root? (I wrote in, Dr. Ron Paul) No ‘Revolution’ support, no nuthin’. Don’t mistake me, I know Barr and Root personally (we hung out in Austin a few weeks back where Root was again rejected as a ‘leader’ in the Party).
    I believe my books, “The Heart and Mind of a Libertarian”, and “Mister Libertarian” will clarify the philosophy. They should be out by the election in November.
    I’ll be publishing my position statement on SB1070 this afternoon or tomorrow morning to explain why Libertarians oppose this political nonsense. It will outline why we are totally against amnesty of any kind, why the Depression has made the issue moot (pretty much) and how we can inexpensively stop all illegal border crossing.

  26. paulie

    Did you notice that no Libertarians supported Barr/Root?

    I noticed that some did not. “All” would seem to me to be overstating the case, unless you mean to say that Libertarians who supported Barr/Root were not actually libertarians.

  27. JT

    Bruce: “I think we can assume that since Wayne made it to the number two slot, it stands to reason that the majority of the Libertarian party agrees with his position on illegal immigration.”

    No, Bruce, you can’t assume that. You think that being nominated for VP necessarily means that most delegates agree with every single political position you hold? That’s quite a logical leap, and unlikely given that plank 3.4 in the LP platform is the opposite view, which the Libertarians at convention haven’t changed.

  28. paulie

    You think that being nominated for VP necessarily means that most delegates agree with every single political position you hold?

    Ask 2004 VP nominee, Richard Campagna.

  29. JT

    Bruce: “Ive received emails from registered Libertarians from all over the state, supporting border security. ”

    If that’s true, we’ll see how they feel after people who are NOT illegal aliens are harassed by police trying to enforce the new law (which is obviously good for liberty). Perhaps those Libertarians will be among the lucky ones.

  30. Citizens For A Better Veterans Home.......... Lake

    Hope Bruce Cohen is induced to produce them at a later date!

    [a] why mail Bruce when most Lib sites have nothing of that view ?????

    [b] Bruce does have a reputation of avoiding things he is not ready to talk about.

    [c] Bruce does have a reputation, as do other dishonest activists, of ‘Making it up as he goes along’……….

    [d] Cohen’s honesty quotient ???????????

  31. Tom Blanton

    Bruce Olsen @ 28 is a living, breathing example of why it is a bad idea for libertarians to support Wayne Root. Perhaps all the libertarian support Olsen gets is from the new LP members Root recruited while being on the Michael Savage show “Savage Nation”.

    Welcome to the Neolibertarian Party. As soon as Brian Holtz convinces everyone that Glenn Beck is a libertarian, maybe Beck can be the nominee in 2012. Heck, maybe Savage will agree to be Beck’s running mate.

  32. Brian Holtz

    Glenn who? I never listen to Glenn Beck, and never write about him except when my obsessive fan Blanton stalks me here on IPR and trolls about him.

  33. Bruce Cohen

    I persosonally thing Beck is terrific and always try and catch both his radio, and his TV, show.

    I am not a member of his insider club, or the 9/12ers, however.

    But to me, Glenn Beck is my kind of Libertarian.

    He calls himself a Libertarian.
    He’s pro-Constitution and Bill of Rights.

    He plugs Judge Andrew Napolitano and John Stossel. He puts on Wayne Root and other Liberarians. He’s got a good handle on taxes and spending and personal freedoms.

    He’s not a bigot and he doesn’t judge people on their religion, looks or culture, but by their behavior.

    What’s not to like about Glenn Beck?

    We WISH he would have something to do with us, but we are too small and too bad mannered.

  34. Tom Blanton

    It appears Master Holtz is stalking me on this thread, pretending he doesn’t insist Glenn Beck is a libertarian.

    He’s not a bigot and he doesn’t judge people on their religion..

    I think it depends on what your religion is.

    Let’s see where Judge Napolitano is at and where Glenn Beck is at:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6C6E6ayh4U

    These days it seems all neocons and Republicans (if they are pro-war) are actually libertarians. Like I said, welcome to the Neolibertarian Party. Have a sip of tea.

    Quit stalking me, Holtz. I find you very unattractive, even with the cool clown shoes.

  35. Michael H. Wilson

    There is some serious work that points out the U.S. would not have the large number of people coming north from Mexico and Latin America if it wasn’t for the trade policies of our nation. It is estimated that the subsidized corn that U.S. growers are sending south has disrupted Mexican farmers and displaced at least two million workers.

    Maybe the Arizona governor should demand that the U.S. stop subsidizing corn grown by American agribusinesses and point out that action will help Mexican farmers. That will put farm workers back to work in their own country and they won’t have to flee north looking for work. The saving will greatly exceed what we now spend on immigration control.

  36. Brian Holtz

    Barry Hess writes: Anyone who thinks Wayne Root has a clue as to what it means to be Libertarian is a fool.

    Wayne Root writes in his book Conscience of a Libertarian: fiscally conservative, socially tolerant, pro freedom, pro constitution, standing for more rights for the individual, and reducing the size, scope, and power of the government.

    Hess says Root is “just another disgruntled, misinformed Republican”.

    Root writes in his book:

    [p.41] Today’s Republican leaders have moved away from the limited-government ideals of my heroes Thomas Jefferson, Barry Goldwater, and Ronald Reagan. When it comes to issues like abortion, gay rights, stem cell funding, right to die, online poker, medical marijuana, and censorship of television, the GOP is actually in favor of Big Brother moving into our bedrooms, taking over our televisions and computers, and taking control of our lives.

    And when it comes to economic issues, the GOP often talks a good libertarian game, but rarely if ever delivers. Once in power they spend and increase the size of government just like Democrats- only perhaps a little slower. But either way, we are going off a cliff. How soon we get there is not relevant. We need to stop the car and turnaround.

    [p.58] Only one party allows voters to be both conservative on economic issues and tolerant on personal issues. Only one party allows voters to rebel against Big Brother in all areas of our lives. Only one party stands for both economic and personal freedom. Only one party stands for personal responsibility and individuality. Only one party believes, as the Constitution clearly demands, that power belongs to the people, not to the politicians and career bureaucrats. That party is the Libertarian Party.

    I’ll take all the disgruntled ex-Republicans and ex-Democrats we can get. I’ve produced three natural-born Libertarians, and I’ve decided that it’s going to be too hard to simply out-breed the donkeys and elephants.

  37. Tom Blanton

    When it comes to issues like abortion, gay rights, stem cell funding, right to die, online poker, medical marijuana, and censorship of television, the GOP is actually in favor of Big Brother moving into our bedrooms, taking over our televisions and computers, and taking control of our lives.

    So, Root thinks it’s OK for government to fund stem cell research? How libertarian.

    I guess he would be OK with government funding research into what makes people want to bet on sports, too.

    Will Root continue to call himself a Reagan libertarian once he finds out that government grew under Reagan and his tax cuts for the wealthy were off-set by huge deficits, FICA increases on the middle class, and the elimination of interest deductions for the middle class?

    Anyway, everyone knows what Root is all about and that is not the topic of this thread. But, Hess is correct.

    Michael is also correct about subsidized corn. Another reason Mexicans may be fleeing to America is the 23,000 people killed in the Mexican drug war that America is funding and pushing. El Paso City Council has asked for an end to the drug war. Perhaps more jurisdictions in the border area should lobby the federal government to quit funding the Mexican drug war.

  38. Tom Blanton

    I see Bruce Olsen has a theme song.

    Toby Kieths “Courtesy of the Red White and Blue”

    Bruce says,”I love it whenever a musican says what I want to say, but set to music. Enjoy –”

    Now this nation that I love has fallen under attack.
    A mighty sucker punch came flying in from somewhere in the back.
    Soon as we could see clearly through our big black eye,
    Man we lit up your world like the Fourth of July.

    Hey Uncle Sam put your name at the top of his list,
    And the Statue of Liberty started shaking her fist.
    And the eagle will fly,
    And there’s gonna be Hell,
    When you hear Mother Freedom start ringing her bell!
    It’s gonna feel like the whole wide world is raining down on you…
    Brought to you courtesy of the Red, White and Blue!

    Oh, Justice will be served and the battle will rage.
    This big dog will fight when you rattle his cage
    You’ll be sorry that you messed with the US of A
    ‘Cuz we’ll put a boot in your ass
    It’s the American way.

    http://www.bruceolsen4gov.com/themesong.htm

    That oughta teach them damn Iraqis to mess with the US of A. I reckon no more of them Iraqis is gonna fly a plane into the World Trade Center again, huh Bruce?

    Welcome to the Neolibertarian Party, Mr. Olsen.

  39. paulie

    There is some serious work that points out the U.S. would not have the large number of people coming north from Mexico and Latin America if it wasn’t for the trade policies of our nation. It is estimated that the subsidized corn that U.S. growers are sending south has disrupted Mexican farmers and displaced at least two million workers.

    Maybe the Arizona governor should demand that the U.S. stop subsidizing corn grown by American agribusinesses and point out that action will help Mexican farmers. That will put farm workers back to work in their own country and they won’t have to flee north looking for work. The saving will greatly exceed what we now spend on immigration control.

    Not the only reason, but an important part of the picture that the US can control.

  40. paulie

    Today’s Republican leaders have moved away from the limited-government ideals of my heroes Thomas Jefferson, Barry Goldwater, and Ronald Reagan.

    Addressed at length previously.

    When it comes to issues like abortion, gay rights, stem cell funding, right to die, online poker, medical marijuana, and censorship of television, the GOP is actually in favor of Big Brother moving into our bedrooms, taking over our televisions and computers, and taking control of our lives.

    Other than the part about stem cell funding Mr. Blanton points out, which I missed, this is on point.

    And when it comes to economic issues, the GOP often talks a good libertarian game, but rarely if ever delivers. Once in power they spend and increase the size of government just like Democrats- only perhaps a little slower.

    True as well, but frequently faster rather than slower.

  41. paulie

    Another reason Mexicans may be fleeing to America is the 23,000 people killed in the Mexican drug war that America is funding and pushing. El Paso City Council has asked for an end to the drug war. Perhaps more jurisdictions in the border area should lobby the federal government to quit funding the Mexican drug war.

    True as well.

  42. Jake Witmer

    I think we can assume that since Wayne made it to the number two slot, it stands to reason that the majority of the Libertarian party agrees with his position on illegal immigration.

    Even though I’m a Wayne Root supporter, this is an incorrect assumption. No person in any group speaks for everyone in the group, unless it’s a group of mindless conformists (is that what libertarians are? Let’s hope not!). I also supported Ron Paul, but I support neither of their positions on immigration, and wish both of them would state loudly and clearly that they are both in favor of open borders, and against the asinine AZ law.

    In my opinion, the smartest articles written about immigration are online here:
    http://www.harrybrowne.org/ArticlesIndex.htm#i

    Although this is true, I disagree with Barry Hess that Root is un-libertarian. Maybe on a purist scale, Hess is slightly more libertarian in philosophy, if he supports open borders as Harry Browne did. (Of course, why did Hess write in Paul then, when Paul is pro-life? Why not vote for Chuck Baldwin unless party ballot access mattered to him? For that matter, why not vote Barr/Root so that the LP wins ballot access more easily in 2010 and 2012? Did Barry really think that there was no hope for the LP because of Barr/Root? If so, why is he now involved with the LP?)

    Wayne Root has consistently opposed fraud in the LP, and Hess is a member of the most fraudulent State affiliate of the LP (the AZ LP). (Their oral contracts in dealing with voter registrars have historically been lies. If you are hired to work for them, they change the deal as soon as you arrive, adding loads of restrictions on your work —but not to the work of non-LP-member registrars— that were not mentioned before you get into the state, etc. This happened to both Andy Jacobs and to myself. They paid Andy a year late for his last work there in 2009. I was prohibited from working there in 2009, for several alleged “offenses” (untrue/distorted rumours) —-such as registering people at a university in AZ for one single day, while not prohibited from doing so. Since in 2009 and before 2003, LP registrars have almost SOLELY worked at universities—-, none of which hold up to any reasoned scrutiny. For instance, while I was banned from working there in 2009, I was anonymously commended at their 2009 state convention for the high quality of my 2005 work that resulted in ballot access in Coconino County to this day —and it was Coco. Cty. that told them not to rehire me, without granting me a hearing. Their board of directors appear to want to make certain that the public is not recruited to libertarianism by their voter registrars, so they hired mostly non-LP members for their last boondoggle registration drive. A complete list of their offenses to sanity and viable strategy would be too long to list here…)

    (and yeah, I know nobody cares and nobody wants to hear it. I get it. …I just want to know who the losertarians are who don’t mind if their party structure falls apart. Be sure to leave comments telling me my comments are “too angry” or “too long and boring”. It lets me know you’re in the “zero feedback, zero intelligence” camp.)

    Perhaps Root is not 100% “plumb line” libertarian on immigration. This disappoints me, especially since it is neither philosophically nor strategically beneficial to getting libertarians elected (Philosophically, state borders are a fiction that enables state violence and strategically, Obama is opening the borders and adding potential libertarians to the Democratic rolls while we infight, rather than out-organizing him by approaching new immigrants with Spanish ISIL material on immigration. http://www.isil.org/resources/lit/immigration-english.html ). However, neither is Ron Paul (consistent on the immigration issue), and many Ron Paul fans hypocritically dislike Root for some reason, when Root is more libertarian –as judged by his issues page at http://www.rootforamerica.com and his book– than Paul on a couple of major issues (abortion, stem cell research, to some extent immigration). Yet Paul and Root are roughly the same 90% philosophically libertarian, and that’s a lot better than most politicians. I’d support and vote for either of them, over nonvoting, or voting for a mainslime pragmatist candidate, like Eric Dondero (Oh, wait, Dondero never ran, because noone would take him seriously, and his socialist-Repuglican paymasters told him not to run when he was championing the anti-gun, anti-speech, mayor from New York City for POTUS. Whipped dog that he is, he listened to them, even though he wasn’t done backstabbing his former boss. Then, quite amusingly, he showed up at the 2010 National Convention and tried to use his position as Ron Paul’s former senior aide to ingratiate himself with Jim Prindle and other Libertarians who didn’t know who he was, and hadn’t seen his photo on Tim Russert’s show).

    I think Hess is a good speaker, and a pretty good LP candidate for governor, so far as I can tell. I wish he wouldn’t criticize Root for things that Olsen says, especially since Root is more libertarian than Olsen appears to be. (I also agree that that song is puke, but wish I hadn’t seen that picture, Paulie).

    I agree with Holtz’s statements here. Libertarians have become a self-defeating microcosm that has lost touch with the lack of information (inconsistent mix of issue positions) that most voters call a political philosophy. Most voters are not consistent, and vote based on candidate likeability. Head-up-ass intellectuals who cannot speak well, or appear truthful on any single issue do not impress voters. At least Wayne knows how to talk to people, and how to win friends for the LP.

    By the way: of all people who are most detrimental to making the LP a “big tent”, Cohen is the worst and most divisive. I have met many of the people who voted to rescind his membership in the CA LP. …Ask them why they did it. Cohen = authoritarian. (Moreover, Cohen = scum trying to lean up against Wayne Root and get scum on him by manipulating him and/or discrediting him.)

    For both Cohen and Dondero, their political philosophy (pro-military-spending quasi-libertarianism) justifies any means. Meaning: if you oppose their philosophy, then they view you as a pawn, as only a tool to be manipulated to advance their views (meaning, they intend to either “convert you” or make you look bad at some point, while simultaneously pointing out that your views are the opposite of theirs. Their playbook is 100% Saul Alinsky). Cohen/Dondero are both collectivists in their adoration of Israel, and Cohen calls anyone who does not support Israel over Palestine (including those like myself and Doug Casey who don’t commit to either side) an “anti-semite”.

    Ever since Cohen started calling me an anti-semite, I’ve encouraged people to break all contact with Cohen, and view him as the toxic personality he is. This doesn’t make me an anti-semite, it makes me an anti-Bruce-Cohenite and a non-religious non-zionist. (An idiot Bruce-Cohen-like heckler in the crowd at Freedom Fest tries to tar Doug Casey with the antisemite brush in the following video, when Casey points out that ‘not supporting Israel’ doesn’t make one antisemitic. Well worth watching: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtmZjFAr7EY )

    Dondero and Cohen both regularly tell lies mixed with just enough partial truth to get gullible people to believe the lies. Since they believe that their ends justify their means, they regularly reach out to “left libertarians” which they then happily discard if they are unable to manipulate, (Cohen tried to pressure me into swearing allegiance to Israel, and when I wouldn’t do so, he began calling me an anti-semite, because my friendship with Wayne Root then put me at odds with his plans for Wayne. Cohen apparently didn’t want my nontoxic policy suggestions for Wayne to compete with his toxic ones.).

    Cohen has been trying to convince Root to be more pro-war, pro-military-spending, pro-offense for years now. To the extent that Root does not appear to be 100% libertarian, authoritarians like Cohen can be blamed for distorting his picture of the composition of the electorate. Cohen thinks everyone should obey the law, even when the law is unjust (he says “That’s what we have elections for!” in true ‘state prosecutor’ fashion). He is far too stupid to comprehend the concept of civil disobedience and jury nullification. It is easy to force him to reveal this about himself, and all good debaters here should exploit this mental weakness of his.

    Why all the talk of Cohen here? He showed up here to try to astroturf for the bad meme that Glenn Beck is a libertarian revolutionary. Nope. Sorry. Glenn’s got a lot to learn. Maybe he’s a fellow traveler on certain libertarian ideas. When he encourages us to “pray” to solve our problems, he undermines his often excellent guests (such as Tom Woods, Doug Casey, and Penn Jillette). His attitude is in the right place, and he has excellent people on his show, but he needs to read more about strategy. Otherwise, he is simply pointing new libertarians in the wrong direction (which he does quite frequently).

    If there’s anyone here whose ox I have not gored, please contact me ASAP, and I’ll try to pencil you in next wednesday…

    Individual Freedom, Peace

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