From Talking Points Memo:
Around the day of the primary election last week in which Sharron Angle won the Republican U.S. Senate nomination in Nevada, Tim Fasano, a third-party Senate candidate with the right-wing Independent American Party, says he began to get phone calls from Angle supporters warning him to get out of the race, or else.
The callers were upset because they believe Fasano is going to “ensure that Harry Reid is going to be elected” by siphoning conservative votes away from Angle, Fasano tells TPM. In the third call he got last week, the person said “watch your back, we know your live, we got your address,” Fasano says. That’s when he decided, on the advice of police he spoke with about the incidents, to change his phone number.
“It’s intimidating,” he says. “I’m not scared but I’d rather be prudent.”
GP_He did offer fragmentary statements covering several days.
me_ did the dates he provided coincide with the supposed wire transfer?
well said RC
btw, GP, consider losing terms like “Dumbinant Coalition”…it sounds like you doing a bad Rockwell imitation doing a bad Rothbard imitation doing a bad Mencken imitation. Not only does it sound infantile, but Ls tend to be bright, perhaps too bright for their own good!
gp, I’m sorry you feel I”ve “lied,” a charge which you seem to make against many, e.g., “…contrary to the lie of lying Georgia Libertarians …” (An interesting turn of phrase…is this a subset of all GA Ls, or are all GA Ls liers?)
Interestingly, you cite no evidence of lying on either my part or the lying Ls of GA…so I’m not sure what to make of your accusations. (I do admit that I have lied during my 51 years on Earth, and I can’t say I’ve met a person who has NOT lied, but perhaps you are the very rarest of exceptions. So, in that sense, your wild accusation is probably true on some level! I assure you I do my best to be both truthful and respectful of others, as I’m a card-carrying member of the love-olution, but I’m not perfect.)
I find it interesting that your facts here and elsewhere CONTINUE to avoid the meat of the point that I and others are making about what I consider to be a reckless move on your part…flagging an erroneously filed line item in an FEC report to the FEC for additional scrutiny. As I and others have repeatedly pointed out, you had many steps available to you after your ex parte inquiry to Hawkridge met with a non-answer that was shielded by Executive Session. Yet, you’ve been asked many times what your state of mind was about the facts available to you at that point. Did you believe Hawkridge and her allies Ruwart and Wrights had gone over to The Dark Side, a.k.a. the Dumbinant Coalition? Did you really believe that Hawkridge, Ruwart and Wrights would accept a major misappropriation of funds without an ongoing challenge to the “Dumbinants”?
Further, did you even consider that there were less precipitous and risky (for the LP) moves available to you like going semi-public on forums like this or to State chairs or directly to the entire LNC, etc. etc.
If you want to repair your credibility, you’ll need to address these sorts of questions in a plausible way.
That you have thus far refused to provide a more plausible narrative of this sorry chain of events leaves us readers in a vacuum where we continue to have questions about your motive and sense of goodwill.
Without goodwill, Professor, you have nothing.
Meanwhile, the dumbinant coalition on the LNC has had one of its members come up with a proposal to “increase the basic member fee from $25 to $40 or $50, effective January 1, 2011”.
Readers familiar with LNC Bylaws are undoubtedly in the range LOL and ROTFL.
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Mr. Capozzi, you have a basic problem, which is that your claims are complete bullshit.
You can spew your lies until you wear out your keyboard, but they are still lies.
The information in my complaint was all public record *already in the hands of the FEC*. The hazard was already there, a ticking time bomb needing to be defused, which I did.
After I tried unsuccessfully to get the bomb defused behind the scenes, which both sides refused to do.
Furthermore, contrary to your lying friends, the issue had been pursued at both ends to check its accuracy. The Barr campaign *was asked* if the statement that the had made under penalty of perjury to the FEC was correct, and they answered in writing in an electronic message that their claim of receiving $10,000 from the LNC was correct, and the money had been received by wire transfer.
The LNC was asked by a board member for the bank records, and contrary to the lie of lying Georgia Libertarians the LNC Chair refused to make the bank statements available. He did offer fragmentary statements covering several days.
The primary threat to our party, as in 2000-2002 when it almost wrecked our party, was and is people using party resources not as approved by the membership through the National Committee. We already saw this problem before the 2008 nominating convention, when the National Party used the front page of LP News to propagandize for the Chair’s choice of Presidential candidate, and then issued a press release attacking the positions of another candidate. And now, according to the overwhelming legally-admissable evidence available at the time, our national Party’s coffers were being tapped available at the time, our antional party’s coffers were being tapped in ways not visible in the released bank records or — according to him — known to the treasurer.
The Barr campaign has since claimed that all of their prior statements were in error, and that they had in fact incorrectly filed a donation in kind report as a cash report, and the FEC found that the Barr actions were not worth the effort to prosecute.
tk: George is not an anarchist — and neither are those who were crying “foul” because he was doing to them what they would have done to him in a hot fucking minute if they’d had (or could have mocked up) the goods on him to do it with.
me: [using my Jerry Seinfeld intonation] Who are these people? That is, who would narc on GP if they had evidence that the Good Professor was violating federal election law? It appears from your quote, tk, that you know several people who would do so.
It strikes me that you are sidestepping the issue at hand. Starr was not the only one at risk by GP’s narc…the entire LP was threatened by GP’s ill-conceived act.
And THEN he ran for Chair?! Huh?
Let me be clear , when I say Carolyn is Georges friend , in no way do I mean to imply she is ANYTHING like him … was rereading and wanted that point made , I admire and respect Carolyn , George I like actually , but hate his motives and MO
LG, please check your FB messages.
RE: invoking the state when you aren’t sure… well, again we come back to the drunk on the highway analogy. Turned out it was just coffee, but he could have had his license taken away and gone to jail over it. You can’t be 100% sure. That’s why our justice system is all about innocent until proven guilty. In this case, the system worked. Starr was not stripped of his license, he didn’t go to jail. Again, I’m not defending Phillies’ action except to say that you need to be very careful not to judge it in hindsight.
Was he looking for a smoking gun? I honestly don’t know. Maybe on some level. He never so much as mentioned this FEC complaint to most of us on the slate, so I found out about it about the same time you did.
That’s why I felt his running for chair was an obvious conflict of interest while this complaint was pending because he would have benefitted directly (in being the hero and possibly gaining votes) from a judgment against the party for which he was running for chair.
It’s like Mattson writing that evoting software. It was probably written very well and with the best of intentions, but the very fact that she was a candidate whose race would be adjudicated by the software she wrote looks bad. Likewise, even if Phillies decided to run for office completely forgetting about this pending complaint, it just looks bad.
~~ C
“do you or do you not say narcing to the feds is as egregious as driving on public roads”
I do not. And I never did. Functional illiteracy on your part does not constitute a lack of clarity on my part.
and TK Ive quoted you above verbatim , I found the thread. do you or do you not say narcing to the feds is as egregious as driving on public roads . I fully suspect , youll deny it , even tho it is clearly stated above , because you like to play semantics when your words come back at ya , but lets let the readers decide and be done with it
oops I accidentally attributed a quote to Carolyn when it was from TK
C_— and neither are those who were crying “foul” because he was doing to them what they would have done to him in a hot fucking minute if they’d had (or could have mocked up) the goods on him to do it with.
me_ i agree , this whole trying to fuck eachother anyway possible goes both ways , I adamantly opposed the bullshit discipline of angela , the ridiculous attempted purge of Wrights and this FEC debacle . all bullshit , snarky , unnecessary clan warfare , its stupid and i call it no matter who is agressor
Carolyn , let me be clear , invoking the state UNNECESSARILY . Of cousre murder , rape etc are more wrong , but to file a criminal complaint , to risk someones career and livelyhood and reputation when you arent positive ig very egregious. dont call someone a criminal unless you are sure.
and I understand you have a friendship with Phillies , but I think he was hoping and would have been thrilled even, if his accusation was true .I think it was this hoping that temporarily clouded his judgement . If nobody , including Ruwaet and Wrights thought there was an oversite , that should have been enuf.
he does have an axe to grind , with almost everyone it seems
LG,
If you can’t be bothered to keep track of what you’re accusing me of, why should I bother to try to keep track of what you’re accusing me of?
I didn’t say “Phillies had other choices but the FEC was the best one” or anything of the sort.
What I said was that Phillies had other choices but that HE APPARENTLY VIEWED the FEC as the best of the remaining available options.
I very specifically made it clear that were it me instead of Phillies, I would not have viewed going to the FEC as an option, let alone the best option.
On the other hand, I do understand his reasoning.
Recall that he was dealing with the same people who cited FEC regulations to refuse to sell him advertising in LP News when he was running for president “because the FEC won’t let us,” then suddenly discovered they could sell candidates advertising in LP News after all when Wayne Allyn Root entered the race.
Recall that he was dealing with a treasurer who just flat made up, out of whole cloth, an FEC prohibition against one person writing a check for another’s LP dues when he wanted to retroactively void an LNC member’s sustaining membership.
Aaron Starr frequently and with reckless disregard for the truth abused campaign finance law in general and the FEC in particular as a cudgel to get things his way for years.
Would I have sicced the FEC on him if I had probable cause to believe that he was in violation of campaign finance/reporting laws, brought the matter to the LNC’s attention, and got the runaround? No, I wouldn’t have — because I’m an anarchist.
George is not an anarchist — and neither are those who were crying “foul” because he was doing to them what they would have done to him in a hot fucking minute if they’d had (or could have mocked up) the goods on him to do it with.
If we must use the public road analogy, it’s more like driving on a public road, seeing some guy driving very aggressively and swerving all over the road, nearly crashing into someone else ahead of you. Do you “snitch” and call him in as a possible drunk driver or do you let him go his ways and possibly run some family off the road and get them killed?
Let’s say the police pull him over and he’s got more alcohol than blood in his system, and it turns out he is responsible for a hit-and-run further back on the highway and a few more besides. Congratulations, you probably saved some lives.
But what if when the police pull him over, it turns out he spilled hot coffee on his lap and that’s what made him swerve? They don’t cite him or anything, they just tell him to be more careful and send him on his way. Based on that outcome, then, are you now a bad person for calling him in since it turns out he wasn’t actually a danger?
That’s part of the problem here. Nobody found out about any of this until it was already a non-issue. You’re all standing around staring at the metaphorical coffee stain on Starr’s pants, as it were, wondering how Phillies could POSSIBLY have thought it was anything else. I think it’s important to remember that WHEN he acted, he was looking at the metaphorical swerving vehicle on the highway putting folks at risk and felt he had no other option (whether we believe he did or not).
I think people also are inclined to judge Phillies harshly since he’s been a whistleblower before and has been perceived as having an ax to grind with respect to the Barr campaign. Had Ruwart been the one to bring the complaint, I’m sure people would not have reacted as strongly or accused her of snitching.
I’m not defending Phillies, and like Tom, I would likely have acted differently in the same circumstances because I bring a different skillset and history to bear. Like Tom, neither am I condemning him for “snitching” since that’s overly simplistic.
To suggest that invoking the state, ie., law enforcement, is the most egregious act there is, setting it above murder, rape, arson, torture… that’ s simply not reasonable. Would you not invoke law enforcement if someone was trying to break into your house and kill you?
To invoke the state to stop someone else from using force against you is self defense. To invoke the state to force someone else to something is initiation of force, and yes ,that is pretty egregious.
The question you need to ask yourself is, on which side of this line did the complaint fall?
As I said, my concern was less with the complaint itself than with his decision to run for chair while it was pending because that was a conflict of interest.
me_“invoking the state in a criminal matter is one of the most egregious acts there is … and i find it ironic , that some anarchist-leaning folks think it’s ok”
TK_Why is it any more “egregious” to invoke the state on one matter in which it has asserted a monopoly (the investigation and prosecution of crimes) than in another (driving on “public” roads, for example)?
And what makes you think I think it’s “ok?”
I don’t — life in a state-dominated society is like a repeating loop of the winter of 1846 in Donner Pass. Understanding that a resort to cannibalism may be necessary and even appropriate under the circumstances isn’t the same as approving of the circumstances themselves.
me_ so first you compare snitching and say its the same as driving on a public road then you compare it to starving people eating other humans to stay alive because they have no other choice . you offer this as your excuse for “understsnding” yet not “approving” of Phillies snitching..
ROFL , priceless
so your saying that I didnt say invoking the state , snitching , is the most egregious act there is , and your saying you didnt respond by saying its no more egregious that driving on a public road? is that what u are saying?
ROFL , ok we didnt get into a debate about Phillies snitching , you werent defending him , you didnt compare snitching to driving on a public road and im makin it all up …ROFL , if i cared Id go find the posts but i dont remember what thread it was on , if anyone does , please remind me and ill prove what im saying… if not fuck it , I know what ya said, you defended his snitching and u know it , it doesnt matter how often u want to deny it , it is what it is
“saying Phillies had other choices but the FEC was the best one is worse than what I assumed”
Yes, it is.
But of course I didn’t say that either.
“either way you supported invoking the state”
No, I didn’t.
sheesh Tom , Im not trying to decide anything for anyone. Maybe you should stop giving me so much credit . I simply approve of his removal from the ballot , for valid reasons , and I tell everyone he is a fraud , cuz , well , he is . Im amazed you have no problem with that .
and saying Phillies had other choices but the FEC was the best one is worse than what I assumed which was you thought he had no other choice, my bad. either way you supported invoking the state and if I remember correctly and i do , you said it was no more egregious than driving on a public road. sigh …
but its ok to defraud voters ….sigh….
Hmmmmmm, but if you are 29 1/2 years years old ………….
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Spin Meister Knappster: “Depends on what you mean by “pre-election fitness.”
Lake: “Ballot access! Specifically Chelene Ward Nightingale [California] and Thomas Ashjian [Nevada]!”
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OK, so by “pre-election fitness” you mean “ballot access.”
No, felony convictions don’t have any affect on ballot access for elections to US House of Representatives or US Senate.
Qualifications for those offices are set in the US Constitution. If you don’t like the exclusion of felony convictions as a disqualifier, take it up with James Madison, Alexander Hamilton and John Jay, not me.
IRV would eliminate the “you’re going to siphon votes” argument away from the GOP. With exceptions here and there, the GOP and the Democrats are merging closer with each passing week….
LG,
You may want to re-read what I wrote before misquoting it, just as you should have read it the first time before replying to it.
To wit, I’ve never said that Phillies “had no other choice.”
In point of fact, I listed a range of other choices Phillies had, and explained why I think he considered those choices less desirable than the choice of going to the FEC.
For that matter, I thought I had made it clear that I wouldn’t have done what Phillies did had I been in his position.
The fact that I have little sympathy for a bunch of people who chant “FEC/BCRA won’t let us do X” when X is something they don’t want to do, even if the claim is not true, when those same people squawk about having FEC regulations invoked on them for their actual or alleged non-compliance with same, is not the same as favoring invoking the FEC in any case.
I’m going to charitably assume that notion that the voters of Nevada are all three-year-olds who must be “protected” from bad choices by having LibertarianGirl decide for them whom they may or may not vote for is not an official position of the LPNV.
Cody Quirk // Jun 18, 2010 at 3:43 pm
Lib Grrl = and Im defending the rights of the voters not to be tricked or defrauded by a sneaky scheme, clever for sure , but wrong , wrong , wrong.
Cody Quirk = Exactly, so the arguments against the IAP’s actions are complete BS.
Don Lake = could not agree more ………..
‘The LP is the only 21 st Century American Peace Party ‘ Spin Doctor Thomas L. Knapp // Jun 18, 2010:
Lake: “Isn’t being a convicted felon (like Californians Puke ‘Extortion’ Cunningham and Wade ‘Kiddie Porn King’ Sanders) also a fair consideration of pre election fitness.”
Spin Meister Knappster: “Depends on what you mean by “pre-election fitness.”
Lake: “Ballot access! Specifically Chelene Ward Nightingale [California] and Thomas Ashjian [Nevada]!”
As a California voter I do not appreciate your efforts on my behalf. How ever, I have been thank ful for the last three years for the constant reminders of when and why I looked for the tear in the chain link surrounding the American Siberia. I wiggled thru. I ran fast. I ran far.
And this is even WITH kkkreeps like ctweber, Bruce Cohen, Brian Holtz, Richard Rider, Steve Kubby, W. A. R………
and Im defending the rights of the voters not to be tricked or defrauded by a sneaky scheme, clever for sure , but wrong , wrong , wrong.
= Exactly, so the arguments against the IAP’s actions are complete BS.
Tom , on another thread you and I got into it because I said Phillies was wrong for snitching and you said he had no other choice, so no im not wrong about that .
and Im defending the rights of the voters not to be tricked or defrauded by a sneaky scheme, clever for sure , but wrong , wrong , wrong.
LG,
You write:
“now we both kno where you stand on that issue”
Apparently not.
“Isn’t being a convicted felon (like Californians Puke ‘Extortion’ Cunningham and Wade ‘Kiddie Porn King’ Sanders) also a fair consideration of pre election fitness.”
Depends on what you mean by “pre-election fitness.”
Convicted felons are constitutionally qualified to run for US House of Representatives and US Senate. Their status as convicted felons can’t be used to keep them off the ballot.
On the other hand, it seems likely that the VOTERS will take their status as convicted felons into consideration.
“the only folks i know defending [Scott Ashjian]”
I haven’t noticed anyone defending Ashjian.
I’m just defending the right of the voters, rather than LibertarianGirl, to decide whom the voters are allowed to vote for.
REgarding Cody Quirk // Jun 18, 2010:
Outsiders think they know California ………
They don’t ………..
Outsiders think they know Nevada…
They don’t!
Nobody in the NVLP thinks Ashjian isnt a total fraud , in fact we just discussed him at our last meeting.
the only folks i know defending him are people that dont live in NV, which is funny to me , cause they dont know what they are talking about.
Never mind d.eris, I made the changes.
Yeah, I wasn’t attacking you at all, but it seems that many of your party brethren here have their heads in the sand about Ashjian’s true character and just what his candidacy means to third parties.
Thomas L. Knapp // Jun 18, 2010:
“…….. black and white ……… qualifications of US Senator are that [originally] he ………. be 30 years of age, nine years a citizen of the US, and an inhabitant of the state he or she represents ……..”
Isn’t being a convicted felon (like Californians Puke ‘Extortion’ Cunningham and Wade ‘Kiddie Porn King’ Sanders) also a fair consideration of pre election fitness. (Post Script: not that nutty faker Doctor Donald Grundmann ever gave a damn, nor ‘dancing governor’ Diane Templin!)
You, as a spin meister extrodinaire, seem hung up on age —— why do you have to be at least 35, in 2010 ( not 1789!) to be Prez / VP ????????? Like the Electoral College, isn’t this a time warp liability to effective and efficient government ?????
Folks get removed from office for corruption AFTER ELECTION (nationally: Nixon; San Diego Mayor: Rodger Hedgecock) why not allow the public (Tim Fasano) or at least the party (Chelene Ward Nightingale) less than impotence prior to the same ???????
You (George Phillies’ protege Tom Knapp) are such a spin doctor! Oh well, ‘people’ warned me about you! I had, over three years, to find out for my self, personally, first hand!
TK_Whether or not Ashjian is a “fraud” is for the VOTERS — not some bureaucrat, and not his opponents — to decide.
me_ im not his opponent , the LPNevada isnt running a candidate. I’m a voter , but I’m an informed voter . As you know , most are not . They will never have the benefit of knowing they aren’t really voting for a Tea Party movement candidate . If they like the Tea Party movement , they will see Tea Party on the ballot and think that its synonymous and blindly vote for something that is fraudulent.
Its not fair , and anyway he can be removed from the ballot is fine by me , so that he cannot defraud the voters any further.
you know what else is funny , how you pick and choose which situations to apply your ethics too . lets look again
Whether or not Ashjian is a “fraud” is for the VOTERS — not some bureaucrat, and not his opponents — to decide.
lets apply that to the Phillies FEC debacle- change voters to LPmembers, Jud com or LNC , change bureaucrat to authorities( means the same thing anyways) and leave opponents as is
so… whether or not Starr committed fraud is for the LNC-LPmembers or Jud Com , not some bureaucrat or authority and not his opponents( Phillies) to decide.
now we both kno where you stand on that issue and seemed to have no problem at all with him callingon authorities then , and there was no fraud
but in this case , WHERE THERE IS FRAUD , NOONE CAN ARGUE THAT , you think its fascist to try and stop him . so your perfectly fine with 1,000,000 voters voting for someone that isnt what they pretend to be , that is outright lying , committing fraud and that the bulk of those voters will never know.
truly , I dont understand your reasoning.
Ashjian needs to be removed , if he wants to be a successful liar and fraud he should make sure his eggs are in a row and not give people trying to expose him any reason to challenge him.
CODY_ The NVLP doesn’t either until they get their act together here and stop having GOP plants like Bob Barr as their Prez. candidate.
me_ um , why are you dissin on me , in case you didnt notice , im on your side on this one and have applauded your efforts. Im the only one here from the NVLP and just for the record , none of the NVLP delegates voted for Barr.
maybe you just meant LP in general?
Doctor Thomas Knappster, PhD in Political Spin —– guest yar don’t have to be a law school graduate to pretend that you are an attorney!
Cody Quirk // Jun 18, 2010:
“……… many of the LP posters here are supportive of GOP infiltration in third parties and abuse of the fair ballot-access laws by the major parties ………”
[Hype ?????? Making It Up as You Go Along ????? Truth ????????]
[ I would be interested in the later and not the others. Any thing but truth is counter productive. * Oh wasted breath ——- look whom I am typing to * ………]
d.eris, did you hear me?
Then again, maybe many of the LP posters here are supportive of GOP infiltration in third parties and abuse of the fair ballot-access laws by the major parties.
The IAP doesn’t have standing to complain about fraud until they stop pretending to be constitutionalists.
= The NVLP doesn’t either until they get their act together here and stop having GOP plants like Bob Barr as their Prez. candidate.
LG,
If you want to be “clear,” here’s “clear” —
Yes, it matters whether or not Ashjian is a “fraud.”
Whether or not Ashjian is a “fraud” is for the VOTERS — not some bureaucrat, and not his opponents — to decide.
No, “calling shenanigans” is not fascist.
Telling ~1 million voters that you, rather than they, should get to decide whom they’re allowed and not allowed to vote for based on your “shenanigans calculation” is fascist.
so in closing , just so Im clear , in Knapps book of whats right , you can be a fraud from the ‘other’ side specifically designed to dupe people and NOT follow the rules the rest of us have to , but if someone calls shenanigans theyre a fascist…
hmmm , interesting
If dude wants to play the game of ‘lets dupe the people’ he damn well better have his chicks in a row.
the dudes a fraud , why doesn’t that matter in your book of Just and Right.
LG,
Yes, it is that black and white.
The constitutional qualifications of US Senator are that he or she be 30 years of age, nine years a citizen of the US, and an inhabitant of the state he or she represents.
If Ashjian meets those requirements, he should be free to run for US Senate, period.
Until the 1880s-1890s, the government didn’t even PRINT the ballots. You wrote your own, or cast one provided you by the party you favored.
Nowadays it is, in your words, a “big deal” if a candidate for office has a check mark next to this box instead of that one on some government paperwork — such a “big deal” that the state government can decree that nobody is allowed to vote for that candidate.
That’s fascist bullshit.
T_The only reason the IAP is doing this is because they feel Ashijan’s presence on the ballot will lower their Senate candidate’s overall vote total. It is quite obvious.
me_ actually he will lower Sharon Angles totals , she got the real Tea Party endorsement and ive been to many tea party events and most of them are republican , altho he may have an impact on he IAP and the LP if we were running , it would be minimal. Angle is the one he’s gonna fuck with and the one he was meant to fuck with.
TK_How many candidates for public office is LPNV running this year?
me_ 15-20 not sure
Do you think for even a minute that a determined investigator couldn’t find a broken “rule the rest of us are forced to follow” for each of them?
me_ yes I do think they couldnt , because we are very paranoid about people trying to do that anyways . I think we exaggerate our threat value , lol , but we are constantly checking and rechecking all our candiates credentials etc to make sure everythings lined up because we are just certain someone will try an push us out – altho , as of yet it hasn’t happened. ROFL
You either support the right of your fellow Nevadans to vote for the candidates of their preference or you don’t.
me_ no it isnt that black and white , sorry , and it wasnt a tiny little oversight or an honest mistake. THE DUDE WAS REGISTERED WITH ANOTHER PARTY WHEN HE FILED HIS CANDIDACY- HELLO, thats a big deal , and Im still not sure how he made it out of the filers office . and the guy is a total fraud , he is a creation of the democrats to split the conservative vote , he is disingenuous and everyone knows it .
If Nevada has Instant Runoff voting, we wouldn’t be having this discussion. People would be able to vote honestly for the candidate they consider best without fear of helping the one they consider the worst. It would go a long way toward leveling the playing field for non-major parties. Competition is a good thing, and the sooner Democrats and Republicans get over their sense of entitlement to left or right leaning voters, the better!
Thomas L. Knapp // Jun 18, 2010:
“IAP doesn’t have standing to complain about fraud until they stop pretending to be constitutionalists …….” [Lake: in your dumb assed opinion!
Spin doctor emeritis of the George Phillies school!]
The IAP doesn’t have standing to complain about fraud until they stop pretending to be constitutionalists.
Repeated attacks on Ashjian speaks volumes of the lameness and desperation of the IAP and company. And don’t think for a minute that the GOP wouldn’t come after the IAP if they thought you all were an actual threat.
= Did you bother to read the article like I did?
And there are OTHER reasons why we think he should not be on, besides Trent’s above explanation.
The only reason the IAP is doing this is because they feel Ashijan’s presence on the ballot will lower their Senate candidate’s overall vote total. It is quite obvious.
Repeated attacks on Ashjian speaks volumes of the lameness and desperation of the IAP and company. And don’t think for a minute that the GOP wouldn’t come after the IAP if they thought you all were an actual threat.
As to his being registered in another party; from what I can see Ashjian is a novice, and the irregularity at the time of filing his candidacy seems an honest mistake. And using honest mistakes to throw people off the ballot is a terrible disservice to the voters.
As I’ve said before, shame, shame, shame on the IAP for this foolishness. And remember abt sowing and reaping.
of Tom Knapp as a #%$@&$% spin meister,
“You either support the right of your fellow Nevadans to vote for the candidates of their preference or you don’t ………..”
what BULL SHIT …………
[I, don lake, support the removal of any known fraud, whether I like them or not!]
LG,
How many candidates for public office is LPNV running this year?
Do you think for even a minute that a determined investigator couldn’t find a broken “rule the rest of us are forced to follow” for each of them?
You either support the right of your fellow Nevadans to vote for the candidates of their preference or you don’t. If you don’t, fine — but I guarantee that at some point I’ll be asking you to remember when first they came for Ashjian and you smirked and thought they’d never get to YOUR candidate.
TK_LG and CQ:
In other words, you’re all for open ballot access as long as you like the candidate.
me_ for the umteenth time , the dude was registered with another party when he filed his candidacy , this against the rules the rest of us are forced to follow
Richard , he was registered with another party when he filed his candidacy , that is against the rules.
There are some voters who want to vote for Ashjian, and when you work to remove him from the ballot, you are injuring the voters who want to vote for him, especially since Nevada is one of 5 states without write-in space.
And if you don’t think there are any voters who want to vote for Ashjian, then logically you should want to keep him on the ballot, so that everyone can see he has no support ( if that is true). If he is removed, we will never see the interesting results of how many votes he would have received.
that both Jon Ashjian [Nevada] and Chelene Ward Nightingale [California] do not deserve to be on the November 2010 General Election ballot —– no matter how much their supporters like them or wish they should be on the same.
If these two frauds can run in November then what next, Presidential candidates winning with out the most votes; Chief Executives doing things on the job with subordinates on public office space and or public housing that the average person would get fired for —– and ‘skating’ ?
LibertarianGirl // Jun 17, 2010:
“…….. the fact that he’s a fraud isn’t why he’s being asked to leave the ballot , he was registered with another party at the time he filed his candidacy ,”
[Well, falsely, knowingly lying on campaign paper work IS fraud!]
LG and CQ:
In other words, you’re all for open ballot access as long as you like the candidate.
Careful — karma can be a cast-iron bitch.
Lib Grrl, and or Cody Banks, plz tell me to eff off or not ——- but I am with you on this one.
I can only consider that neither one of you like me (and I do not care)! Lib Grrl I can take or leave, Quirk Boy’s gross lack of ethics makes me physically ill. How ever if one or both of you want me to not to be a counter productive supporter, let me know.
Until then, stick to your guns! Popularity ? If you are only one in the room (street, town) with the truth,, you are still dealing with the truth. Best wishes ……..
d.eris,
The IAP is a part of the Constitution Party, please put this article with the proper stub.
We are NOT part of the ‘Right-wing minor parties’ category.
I hope Tim Fasano will now have some empathy for Jon Ashjian and stop trying to remove Ashjian from the November ballot.
= FUCK NO!
Ashjian is a stooge for the two-party system, and a crook, period. The Repblocrats have various ways to screw around with third party candidates (that are legit).
Tom , yeah they qualified , but the fact that he’s a fraud isnt why he’s being asked to leave the ballot , he was registered with another party at the time he filed his candidacy , that is against the rules , and that is why he is being challenged. obviously w/0 that , we could be as pissed as we wanted but he would be valid , and quite frankly , if I were a Dem , Id applaud the move , from one politico to another , its a clever , clever move.
but on the grounds I mentioned I do hope he is disqualified , however I wont hold my breath , however at this point everyone knows he is a fraud , and i cant see him doing well or getting many votes at all. his name is like lucifer in Tea Party circles…LOL
T_My guess is that Fasano will score much lower than expected now–because Angle is a former IAP member anyway!
me_ dont count on it , while Angle is very good an SOME issues she’s very very bad on others . Plus shes been a Republican , a Democrat , a Republican again ,an IAPer then a Republican again. she needs to make her mind up
right now she is avoiding the media , only doing some very few conservative spots , like talk radio etc. there are many pressing questions people want answers too , so before anyone goes declaring a victory , lets give her time to open her mouth and muck it up.
for instance se thinks alcohol should be illegal , just like weed, no shit , she actually said that , of course if she wants any money from casinos she’ll be a flip flopping on that one.
Im voting Fasano or NOTA , wont know until I meet the man on the trail.
LG,
Either the “tea party” qualified for the ballot, or it didn’t.
If it didn’t, there’s no reason for libertarians to exercise themselves over whether or not bad ballot access law is enforced — the other guys will do that for us.
If it did, be careful what you wish for, because they’ll come for the LP’s ballot access either next, or after they destroy the IAP’s.
Trent, will do. I’ve been meaning to get back into the grove, have been swamped with other work of late.
Richard Winger // Jun 17, 2010 at 10:50 am
I hope Tim Fasano will now have some empathy for Jon Ashjian and stop trying to remove Ashjian from the November ballot.
me_ i dont , Ashjian is a total fraud , he is not conneted with the tea party movement at all , noones ever heeard of him and it is most likely he is a democratic plant to split the onservative vote , he needs to be removed , I repeat he is a total fraud.the ballot qualified”tea party” came out of the blue and IS NOT CONNECTED TO THE TEA PARTY MOVEMENT AT ALL. Ashjian is a fraud and hopefully everyoein NV knows it . I applaud the IAP and their efforts to have him removed.
I, for one, think the GOP is genuinely scared. We should expect more harrassment.
Trent Hill // Jun 17, 2010:
“It doesn’t make sense.”
Lake: Thx, kinda like California’s Der Ahnold and his puppet state wide elections official viz a viz their attempted assassination of the waaaaaaaaaay left of center California Peace and Freedom (socialist, feminist) Party.
Conventional wisdom says that this counter productive move could have only helped the West Coast GOP and hurt the local Dems.
Oh well, I have not observed much logic in politics and even less in ‘alternative’ politics!
[a] Joe Kennedy, the Hollywood philanderer and wall street crook (and first SEC Secretary) who died in the early 1960s ????????? THAT Joe Kennedy ????????
[b] get a grip folks, the Democans and the Republicrats are laughing and laughing
[c] 2004: change GOP to Dems; change Tim Fasano to Ralph Nader (the so called neo con Republican Corporate mole, yeah, right, sure)
Aye, it would. Do me a favor–make more posts!!! lol. Your posts are always good and for some reason you usually catch the stuff many of the rest of us miss.
Trent, I didn’t actually mean my comment @6 as a rebuttal to yours @5, but was rather expanding on LibBlue’s point regarding Joe Kennedy.
And it certainly doesn’t make any sense, but that has never stopped the Republicans and Democrats before! 😉
It would be interesting to see a list of these kinds of incidents.
Unfortunately this kind of thing is all too common place in the thugocracy our nation has devolved into. I have experienced this kind of thing first hand, including multiple death threats, as have other AIP officers, and others I have worked with in third party efforts over the years. All I can say is, RESIST INTIMIDATION, “Live Free or Die!”
I didnt say it wasn’t true or that it wasn’t common–just that it doesn’t make sense.
Such intimidation is common and lots of people know it. Republican-turned-independent candidate for governor of Idaho Jana Kemp reported late last year that numerous people did not want to sign her ballot access petitions because they “feared retaliation”:
“Kemp estimated that about 30 percent of those approached and favorable to her campaign declined to sign because their names would be public and they feared retaliation.”
https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/12/id-independent-candidate-for-governor-passes-petition-threshold/
It doesn’t make sense. Angle is polling 11% ahead of Reid and “Other” is only getting 5% anyway—why even bother issuing threats to Fasano if you’re a GOPer?
My guess is that Fasano will score much lower than expected now–because Angle is a former IAP member anyway!
Me too, Richard.
I hope Tim Fasano will now have some empathy for Jon Ashjian and stop trying to remove Ashjian from the November ballot.
The statist cons did this to Joe Kennedy back in the Mass Senate election so why am I not surprised.
Gosh, that doesn’t sound like the kinder and gentler GOP we have all come to know, trust and love!