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Libertarian press release: National Opt-Out Day activities at San Francisco International Airport

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National Opt-Out Day activities at San Francisco International Airport

WHO: Those opposed to invasive TSA screening practices that threaten liberty, privacy, and health.

WHAT: Press conference, handing out literature, waving signs, and car caravan, at San Francisco International airport.

WHEN: NOVEMBER 24th, 8am-5pm, Press Conference at NOON

WHERE: Handing out fliers and displaying signs outside SFO Domestic Terminals 1 and 3. Press conference will be held by the “Free Speech Zone” counter located in Domestic Terminal 1, across from the area between Southwest and AirTran airline check-in counters.

WHY: To demonstrate dissent and educate the public about the new policies and practices enforced by the TSA and private airport
security contractors like Covenant Aviation Security at the San Francisco International airport. We will urge members of the public to fly with dignity or not fly!

-WeWontFly SF

Outreach Director, Libertarian Party of San Francisco
(415) 625-FREE (3733)

Sheila Dean
Identity “blog-vocate”
(310) 857-8257


  1. Kimberly Wilder Kimberly Wilder November 24, 2010


    Especially if there is no groups you know of protesting at your local airport, you may want to think of your own way to protest the TSA.

    This man did a great protest/performance yesterday at the Salt Lake Airport. He went through security in his speedo’s, with a message about “Big Sis” written on his naked back:

  2. Best We Can Do? [Lake] Best We Can Do? [Lake] November 24, 2010

    or ‘Kiss This’

    ……. mean while in militaristic, ubber conservative, ultra establishment San Diego County / One Horse / One Run Way Lindberg Field hardly a dent in the routine.

    At Ten AM there was one protester. One!

  3. Kimberly Wilder Kimberly Wilder November 24, 2010

    One person, brave enough to stand-up and sound an alarm, is a great thing!

  4. Kimberly Wilder Kimberly Wilder November 24, 2010

    The news media says that the TSA protests did not work, because airport lines are quiet.

    Well, part of the message from several of the boycott groups was “don’t fly”. So, the quietness may mean something, too. And, it will be interesting to see more stats.

    At wewontfly, they have a post with some feedback about the day. It appears that TSA may have been friendlier, and picked out less passengers for screening, so that the day went smoothly.

    If so, then the protest accomplished something. (But, the protesters will have to follow through with their message, and not let one day of calm derail the call for justice.)

  5. Id go further Id go further November 24, 2010

    wear a long warm coat with socks, sweats stuff in pocket. When time to remove coat, nothing to take off, be in a whatever swimsuit already ready to go, then put the warm stuff on once on the plane. Personally, if you can avoid flying, do so. I applaud this guy. Too bad the verb-age wasn’t worse. LOL How about a picture. LOL Got a better idea

    G-D is watching on the back.

  6. Alaska Constitution Party Alaska Constitution Party November 24, 2010

    Just raising the issue loudly was a victory. Let them know WE ARE WATCHING THEM TOO! HAPPY THANKSGIVING ALL – We still have much to be thankful for in the USA!

  7. Montana Montana November 24, 2010

    The crazies that called for the National Opt Out Day, don’t know what they are talking and the majority of our nation flew anyway. As soon as we get another terrorist attack these same crazies will be yelling that our government didn’t do enough to detect them. They have no ideas on what should be implemented instead of what is in place, but I am sure that will call this a victory. What a bunch of empty suits that are just real haters not debaters.

  8. Alaska Constitution Party Alaska Constitution Party November 24, 2010

    Wow, are you really from Montana? You don’t sound like it. Perhaps the airports were so quiet because many chose not to fly today…did you consider that? Of course, it’s always easier to name call. What’s crazy is that so many do not even question the intrusive degradation being foisted upon the American people in the name of safety and security. Now, was that so hateful?

  9. Be Rational Be Rational November 24, 2010

    It’s Thanksgiving. It’s a time for family not politics. Most travelers, even if they hate TSA, are too busy with family and Thanksgiving dinners, events, travel, shopping … to have time for politics. Most want to forget politics at this time.

    Others, who hate TSA and are not traveling, are likewise too busy with Thanksgiving and family to take the time to mingle with the travelers to protest something that they can avoid by not traveling.

    Many others can “protest” by traveling by alternate modes of transportation or staying home.

    Wrong time period for the protesting to work, if you want a big show at the airports.

  10. Kimberly Wilder Kimberly Wilder November 24, 2010

    Montana –

    What if a terrorist tries to smuggle in a dirty bomb, or the parts for it?

    Won’t having radiation machines shooting off all around the country make that harder to detect.

    The TSA is not offering security or safety. They are offering security theater, fear-mongering, and oppression.

  11. Michael H. Wilson Michael H. Wilson November 25, 2010

    re # 7. I don’t know how much of the U.S. you have traveled but the country is large. Lots of coastline and borders. Ships, boats and all kinds of craft come and go all day everyday. Some people have been smuggling materials into the nation since the 1700s and today smugglers bring in drugs, and people not to mention lots of other stuff.

    The authorities have been trying unsuccessfully to stop the flow or at least slow it down for centuries. So far they haven’t figured out that people will work to get around the barriers one way or another.

    Eventually we will be hit again. You can count on it. Just when and where is not known.

    Bush had his chance to stop the 9/11 attack but failed. He was warned in July and again in August of that year that an effort was on, but they did little or nothing.

    Personally I think they let it happen thinking it would be a small event. But they were surprised by the size and impact.

  12. Starchild Starchild November 25, 2010

    “Be Rational” @9 – I believe today was picked for National Otp-Day, and thus for airport protests, because the day before Thanksgiving is supposed to be the busiest travel day of the year.

    However no one is forcing you to go to the airport and protest on the day before Thanksgiving.

    Just please remember that your “time for family” may be someone else’s time to *stand up for the rights of their families*, and others, to fly without intrusive, unconstitutional searches, by protesting against the TSA.

  13. Starchild Starchild November 25, 2010

    Oops, make that “National Opt-Out Day”.

  14. Kimberly Wilder Kimberly Wilder November 25, 2010

    Day After: National Opt Out Day/TSA Protest update…

    Despite claims to the contrary, National Opt-Out Day was a rousing success. The entire point of the campaign was to raise awareness of the issues of privacy and aviation safety at TSA checkpoints, with the ultimate goal of influencing policy – to ask the question “are we really doing this right?”…

    National Opt-Out Day was launched November 8. Since that time, we’ve seen some common sense applied to TSA security procedures. Congress and the Administration have also taken notice of the unease of the traveling public. Originally, the TSA Administrator said that their airport security policy would not change. Then pilots were exempt from their intrusive procedures. Then children 12 and under would not be subjected to the full rigors of the enhanced pat down…

  15. Be Rational Be Rational November 25, 2010


    I agree completely that for some it might have been a good day to stand up for the rights of their families – however, it seems that few did so.

    A big event was announced and almost nobody came, the media covered the failure.

    This was a strategic mistake despite the good intentions.

    When it comes to the media, it is important to always do more than you have announced or promised – it’s commonly referred to as managing expectations.

  16. Darryl W. Perry Darryl W. Perry November 25, 2010

    @Be Rational,
    I read several reports that the body scanners were turned OFF by the TSA so that the event could be deemed a “failure” by the media

  17. Be Rational Be Rational November 25, 2010

    Which means that the TSA planned better than the OPT OUT group did.

    Political planning requires that you anticipate such actions. This is just one step that the TSA could have been expected to take to avoid delays and tieups. The protestors, if any were there, should have other attention garnering elements in motion. They picked the wrong day, announced overly ambitious goals, and did the wrong things, failed to plan, and failed to produce a turnout, and didn’t give themselves enough time to get organized.

    Nice that they wanted to do something, but it turns out to be just another wasted opportunity -more squandered resources.

  18. George Phillies George Phillies November 25, 2010

    Only Republicans support Racial profiling as a TSA step

    I am more than a bit annoyed, and toward the end am waxing Olbermanical.

    Courtesy of Greg Sargent’s Washington Post Plum Line

    Majority of Republicans favors racial profiling at airports, while Dems, indys oppose

    Republicans are the only group that favors racial profiling at airports, with a majority of them supporting the policy, while Democrats and independents are strongly opposed to it,
    according to internals of the new Washington Post/ABC News poll that were sent my way.


    I’ve now obtained the partisan breakdown on this question, and it finds Republicans at odds with the rest of the country:

    Fifty three percent of Republicans think race “should be included in a passenger’s security profile,…”

    to which I say: Great work on getting the party affiliation break down, and my is the breakdown ever broken.

    Meanwhile, Speaker-to-be Boehner and senior colleagues are not pornoscanned. Nor are they fondled. They are waved through. As reported by NBC 29 and an ungodly number of other locations

    TSA: Gov’t officials with security details don’t have to go through airport X-rays, pat-downs More>>

    WASHINGTON (AP) – No airport pat-down for the incoming House speaker.

    On Friday, the GOP’s John Boehner was guided past the metal detectors and hand inspections given to other passengers on his flight home to Ohio.

    I mean, Goddess forbid that the hoi polloi learn if Boehner hath a boner or if the Divine Sarah oh, never mind. High muckey mucks are waved through if they have their own security details.

    I will leave it to others to decide if Tom Knapp’s report is correct that persons critical of the TSA pornoscan program are being tagged and traced as domestic extremists.

    And the security detail? Of course, that security detail should be given an appropriate uniform. I believe the design for Richard Nixon’s White House Police dress uniform is available. Though Mr. Boehner might better ask one of his erstwhile colleagues where to get the really good stuff. That one. The re-enactor. That silver trimwork on black looks really snazzy.

    And what is that security detail called, Mr. Boehner, the John Boehner Life Guards? I believe that sounded better in the original. That would be the Liebstandarte John Bohner, with an umlaut on the “o”.

    And for you clueless Republicans upset that the TSA is not doing racial profiling, I have some good news for you.

    They already are.

    Untermensch und vieh — go to the long line. And be sure your three year olds know how to spread their ass cheeks.

    There approaches an uebermensch. Hand Salute! Bow your eyes in the presence of the superior men.

  19. Totally Stupid Asses Totally Stupid Asses November 26, 2010

    Opt Out Day was a huge success.

    That is why biased media went out of their way and lie that it was a flop.

    If it was a real flop they wouldn’t even talk about it at all. Time to consider our next move.

    How about the airports on Dec 15, Bill of Rights Day? Too soon? Alternative suggestions?

    Could we mass enough people to make every day opt out day?

    Other symbolic days?

  20. Totally Stupid Asses Totally Stupid Asses November 26, 2010


    So where do you want porno-scanners and crotch-grabbers next…

    Train stations?

    Bus stations?

    Subway stops?

    Shopping malls?

    Grocery stores?

    Movie theaters?

    Busy street intersections in big cities?

    The possibilities are endless. Maybe better to ask where don’t you want the all-seeing surveillance/secutity state, and why?

    The sense of security false.

    When do we say enough is enough?

    Want to stop terrorism? Stop foreign interventionism.

    It’s the only way.

  21. Tom Blanton Tom Blanton November 26, 2010

    Personally I think they let it happen thinking it would be a small event. But they were surprised by the size and impact.


    Michael is a TRUTHER!

    My 88 year-old father says the same thing – almost verbatim. I’m afraid to say what I think about 9/11 because of the (REDACTED) and the (REDACTED).

    Meanwhile, Phillies reports:

    Only Republicans support Racial profiling

    This confirms my suspicions about Root. Root supports profiling, ergo Root is a Republican. Of course, Root is for Israeli-style profiling a/k/a “terrorist threat profiling”, which has nothing to do with race but everything to do with TWM*.

    Obviously, any TWM flying in or out of Israel is insane and should be strip searched, interrogated, and anally probed. A sane TWM will avoid Israel and go through Egypt, Jordan or Lebanon.

    Unfortunately, America is becoming much like Israel in regards to the TWM situation.

    * Traveling While Muslim

  22. Michael H. Wilson Michael H. Wilson November 26, 2010

    So ask yourself, if you had been incharge and someone told you the country was under a threat of an attack what would you have done?

    Would you notify the FBI, how about the FAA, call the Coast Guard, maybe the National Guard. Notify state and local police?

    Planes had been hi-jacked before. So those were possible targets. The Achille Lauro, a cruise ship had been hi-jacked in the ’80. So cruise ships were possible targets. The USS Cole had been hit. Would that make other ships possible targets? Would you have done nothing? What does common sense tell you should have been done?

  23. Starchild Starchild November 26, 2010

    “Be Rational” @17 – The fact that the TSA felt obliged to cancel the body scans, even if only for a day, means the event was a success.

    The fact that airports were less busy than usual, meaning that many people simply chose not to fly that day, is another indicator that it was a success.

    Instead of just complaining about what mistakes the organizers may have made, why don’t you get involved next time and help us be more effective? If you’re willing to share your name and where you live, perhaps someone here can put you in touch with libertarians in your area if you’re not currently an activist.

    If you’re already engaged in activism, please share what you’ve been doing.

  24. Be Rational Be Rational November 27, 2010

    Don’t get me wrong. I’m against the TSA and I believe that airport and airline safety should be left up to the airlines and airports – privatized.

    However, the low number of travelers is likely more a result of the bad economy, which seems to again be worsening for a large segment of the population, although still unnoticed.

    And, if the TSA was clever enough to temporarily reduce the use of the offensive scanners for a day, then they outfoxed the protesters.

    And since the media has reported the “failure” as a “failure” then in the public mind it is a failure – and so it is a failure, and this is the result of being outfoxed.

    Of course, Milnes too could use your reasoning: PLAS was a great success at the last election because millions of voters didn’t go to the polls. Since the number of nonvoters was greater than the winning vote totals of any candidate, PLAS really won the election.

    spin … spin … spin

  25. Robert Capozzi Robert Capozzi November 27, 2010

    my take: we can’t know whether opt-out “worked,” as, as usu., there are data points that could be built into narrative myths for either case. Economy, staycations, fewer flyers, cancellations, point in different directions.

    The scanners are an excellent symbol for intrusive government. Protesting them per se is a matter of personal preference…not my personal cup of tea, but I support those who did.

    All bets are off if the US gets embroiled in a major Korea or Iran conflict. Heaven help us if that happens.

  26. Robert Capozzi Robert Capozzi November 27, 2010

    gp: Only Republicans support Racial profiling as a TSA step

    me: Care to rephrase? Did you mean “of self-identified Rs, Ds and Is, the only sub-group that more supports than opposes including a form of racial profiling when screening for terror threats at airports is Rs. The majority of Ds and Is do not support profiling” ? IOW, it’s important IMO to recognize that not all Rs support and not all Ds and Is oppose anything.

    To write off any group feels a bit like profiling to me, too! That includes profiling by partisan affiliation.

    We surely have a lot of work to do.

    Aside: Ironic, ain’t it, that the Post columnist writes under the column name “Plum Line”! 😉

  27. Robert Capozzi Robert Capozzi November 27, 2010

    TB22: This confirms my suspicions about Root. Root supports profiling, ergo Root is a Republican.

    ME: Hmm, no. Is this a serious point of logic? Do you disagree with my post 28? Obviously, not all Rs are for profiling, not all Ds, Is, or Ls are against it. This is VERY basic stuff, Tom, go back to Square One.

    One can easily disagree with Root on this matter, yet not exclude him as a L. Some “profiling” techniques are not entirely without merit, IMO. An 80 year old woman does seem less likely to do crimes than a 20 year old male, for ex.

    I do think Root is unwise to take this position.

  28. Tom Blanton Tom Blanton November 27, 2010

    I’m profiling Root, Capozzi.

    Israeli-style. Not based on his race, religion, or his nation of origin (which is unknown as he has not produced his birth certificate). I am profiling him based on his extreme right-wing views that he openly expresses.

    Perhaps Root is not an actual member of a GOP cell, but Republicanism is as much a radical belief system as it is an organization. I have seen pictures of Root with known Republicans and he has appeared before groups with Republican links, so it is obvious that he is sympathetic to their cause.

    He fits the profile. He’s dangerous. He shouldn’t be allowed to fly. People should keep their children away from him. Nobody should buy his gambling tips or multi-level marketing schemes as the revenue from these activities may end up funding Republican operations or the operations of groups linked to Republicans, or even Democrats.

  29. Tom Blanton Tom Blanton November 27, 2010

    Furthermore Capozzi, it is well within my rights to classify and catagorize anyone as I wish, jsut as you do.

    I can say Root is not a libertarian, then so far as it applies to me, he is not a libertarian. You may classify me as an “absolutist” or whatever, and you may classify Root as the Messiah. Your classifications have no bearing on my thinking and you can label anything however you wish for your own purposes.

    For purposes of mental sorting, I have now placed Root into my Republican folder along with Reagan and other dangerous statists. I recently moved the McDonalds McRib Sandwich out of my food folder and into the stuff that shouldn’t be consumed folder.

    However, this does not prevent you or anyone else from placing Root into their personal Libertarian folder. You may also wish to eat McRib sandwiches. Eat as many as you wish.

    You may prefer the color purple over all other colors and I may prefer the color yellow. This does not mean I can say you are wrong as long as you don’t try to force me to adopt purple as my favorite color or make me wear purple shoes and ride a purple tricycle.

  30. Robert Capozzi Robert Capozzi November 27, 2010

    tb31: Furthermore Capozzi, it is well within my rights to classify and catagorize anyone as I wish, jsut as you do.

    me: yes, you do. You may act foolishly when and where you choose to; when I do so as well, and I recognize it, I’m not surprised that I’m unpersuasive. I trust you experience similar recognition when you do.

    Categorization isn’t the same as absolutism; it’s my practice to forgive myself when I disagree with Root, while accepting that indeed I do disagree with him. It appears that you categorize to exclude Root, to make him “wrong” to prove that you are “right.”

    Where the Truth lies… who knows? Are you sure you do?

  31. Darryl W. Perry Darryl W. Perry November 27, 2010

    @Be Rational
    “since the media has reported the “failure” as a “failure” then in the public mind it is a failure – and so it is a failure”
    Do you believe everything the media tells you??

    Oswald acted alone… there is no Area 51… etc…

  32. Tom Blanton Tom Blanton November 28, 2010

    Categorization isn’t the same as absolutism

    I never said it was. I’m saying that when you declare that someone is an absolutist, you have made a categorization, correctly or incorrectly.

    If I choose to categorize Root as a conservative or a Republican, correctly or incorrectly, I have made a categorization – just as you make categorization.

    So far as I am concerned, in my own mind, Root is not a libertarian. He’s done nothing wrong for me to forgive, really. That is his preference.

    In MY opinion, he and his followers do a disservice to the libertarian movement by categorizing him as a libertarian and muddling what that means.

    Mr. Nolan’s recent resolution certainly implied that libertarianism is distinct from conservatism and liberalism.

    Mr. Root seems to think libertarianism is basically conservatism, but with too much liberalism thrown in.

    To me, that is like saying that strawberry ice cream is basically vanilla ice cream with too much chocolate thrown in. It doesn’t make sense in that strawberry ice cream is not some mixture of chocolate and vanilla ice cream.

    Many people seem to only be able to view politics in the paradigm of chocolate and vanilla. If it is not vanilla, it must be chocolate. In MY opinion, that’s nonsense.

    Other people will have different opinions, but as far as I am concerned, their opinions have no bearing on my opinions. Therefore, I can categorize Root any way I wish based on the information I have. You may categorize him differently, you can forgive him if you think he has committed some sin. Whatever.

    But, just as you freely categorize and classify people and ideas as this or that, I also can categorize people or ideas as I wish for my purposes. It does not follow that I would classify a train as a car or a cat as a dog, regardless what someone else thinks. It leads to confusion and muddled thinking.

    For the same reason that I would not want to be served a can of Spaghetti-O’s at an expensive Italian restaurant, I don’t care to accept Root’s version of libertarianism. Spaghetti-O’s and an excellent spaghetti dinner prepared by an experienced chef are both pasta and tomato sauce, but only an idiot would claim there is no difference. However, if some would prefer to have the Spaghetti-O’s, that is fine – for them, but not me.

  33. Michael H. Wilson Michael H. Wilson November 28, 2010

    Tom writes; “Many people seem to only be able to view politics in the paradigm of chocolate and vanilla.”

    I was recently asked if I was a Liberal or Conservative by a couple of government functionaries. Of course these people had advances degrees, but they can’t get it through their think heads that there might be more to life than just black and white.

  34. Be Rational Be Rational November 28, 2010

    No, DWP, I do not accept everything the media tells me. But, the “media” is usually honest, not always, and sometimes wrong, not always, often simplistic, not always.

    However, some things we can be sure of:

    Oswald did act alone.

    No aliens from another planet or solar system has ever visited Earth.

    The 911 attacks were carried out by Al Qaeda, and no one from the US government was involved in the planning or execution or assisted the Al Qaeda plotters or withheld preknowledge of the attacks.

    The twin towers fell after the attacks because they were hit by huge airplanes that exceded the design impact capacity, fatally weakened the structures, and set off a cascade failure that produced the collapse we all witnessed. The failure of each building was inevitable following the impact even without the fires as, despite the hype of the PR men at the time of construction, these towers were not built to withstand the kind of forces that result from a jumbo airliner.

    Building 7 fell due to poor design that allowed fire beneath a single essential support member, with no redundant backup, caused that member to weaken and fail which resulted in the colapse of the structure.

    The Pentagon was hit by an airplane and the 4th plane crashed in PA.

    There is no plot by oil companies or car makers to keep a magic device off the market that would greatly increase the mileage of vehicles – that has been developed by your uncle, cousin, friend or your best friend’s uncle, cousin, friend or some other person you are supposedly connected to.

    US astronauts did actually land on the moon.

    Nearly all of the commonly believed conspiracy theories are actually “believed” by a tiny fraction of the population that suffers from personality disorders and mental issues and is not able to reason logically.

    Other people lack the intelligence, education, and/or common sense to discern the difference between nutty ideas and the truth.

    These same nutty ideas are often expolited by publicity seekers or profit seekers who may actually know that the ideas are wrong and nutty, but, what the hell, they can get something they want by pretending.

    Reasonable people have to keep an open mind, but they also have to use logic and know when nutty ideas are just nutty.

    Splinters of small parties and fractions of factions cannot bring about the change they seek and can hurt the movement for liberty by squandering essential scarce resources.

    However, these splinters can be useful if they provide a home for loonies whose very presence will hurt the serious efforts of the Libertarian Party to bring real change and promote liberty.

    Reasonable people can see that the TSA protests failed to live up to the hype. Organizers need to manage expectations so as to deliver more than promised. This was the real failure of the TSA protesters – they didn’t live up to their own propaganda, so they failed.

    People who are rational, intelligent and educated can understand the world and see through lies, hype, poor reporting, misinformation and nutty conspiracy theorists.

  35. Tom Blanton Tom Blanton November 28, 2010

    it’s my practice to forgive myself when I disagree with Root, while accepting that indeed I do disagree with him.

    That is really out there, Bubby.

    Have you considered professional help?

    You forgive yourself when you disagree with Root. I can’t even begin to comprehend that. Do you forgive yourself when you disagree with other people, or just when you disagree with Root?

    I thought you were saying you forgive Root when you disagree with him – that is weird enough. But, Capozzi, Root is really not the Messiah. I think it is OK to disagree with him. Perhaps you should talk to a deprogrammer if the guilt is too much to bear.

    After your bad experiences in the Cults of Rand and Rothbard, you should have learned to avoid these crazy cults.

  36. Be Rational Be Rational November 28, 2010


    It seems to me that Mr. Capozzi was using the language he chose in order to poke a little fun at those who obviously take Wayne Root’s words and efforts far too seriously.

    Nearly any one of Root’s detractors, if presentable, reasonable, articulate and with a reasonably interesting message, style and hook for the media, can go out there and deliver a better “Libertarian” message in the marketplace of ideas and become another “de facto” spokesperson for the LP.

    Whining on IPR is a useless exercise that wastes time and resources.

  37. Tom Blanton Tom Blanton November 28, 2010

    You’d think that a rational person would comprehend that third parties will never win national offices until they can compete equally with the major parties in terms of funds, media exposure, ballot access, and campaign workers.

    The laws, political structures, media access, campaign financing structures, and mass indoctrination of voters simply is not conducive to third parties winning elections in any meaningful sense in order to affect change.

    No perfectly worded platform submitted by photogenic politicians backed by normal rational well-groomed people is sufficient to overcome the external obstacles to winning elections.

    Libertarians will win elections when the public internalizes libertarian principles. The public will never do this until they are exposed to libertarianism repeatedly. Considering that many in the LP believe that the LP’s sole function is to win elections and reject any efforts to educate voters, and considering that many in the LP believe that the general public isn’t ready to hear libertarian ideas, how can any rational person believe that blindly backing a conservative huckster will promote libertarianism in America OR win elections?

  38. Tom Blanton Tom Blanton November 28, 2010

    Whining on IPR is a useless exercise that wastes time and resources.

    So why do you persist, nameless one?

    Besides, when others “whine”, it is their time and their resources to do with as they please – not yours.

    However, when you whine, which you consider a waste of time and resources, it IS you wasting your time and resources.

    I suppose in defense of the Great and Magnificent Root, Exalted and All Powerful Leader of Men, it is never a waste of time or resources to whine when the rabble does not genuflect.

  39. Michael H. Wilson Michael H. Wilson November 28, 2010

    re 36 who writes; “Oswald did act alone.”

    Want to put some money on this? I was in the service at the time and stationed nearby. We were very specifically told to be on the look out for others who would not have fit Oswald’s profile. Besides what was Oswald’s motive? Did others have a stronger motive? Ya might wish to think this through before you go out on a limb.

  40. Be Rational Be Rational November 28, 2010

    Actually, TB, I’m doing more to replace the problem of having a solo LP spokesperson here than his detractors.

    Root needs controversy – it makes him more interesting to the media. If people are discussing him, even though many disagree with him and attack him, it means that he draws viewers and readers, so he’s more valuable to the media.

    By attacking Root, you are helping him.

    I’m supporting and encouraging competition to Root, attempting to get serious LP spokespersons who either come from a “civil liberties” or “left” side of the big-tent LP, or, even better, from the rational center of the Libertarian quadrant.

    We need many spokespersons to educate the public before we can win. And yes, the primary mission of the LP should be to spread the libertarian message and grow, until we are big enough to win. We are likely to start winning in a kind of stampede of change that will be precipitated by some as yet unknown future event, but only if we lay the serious groundwork now and get ready.

    However, if we do not run to win we are not serious and can never win.

    The best thing to do is to accept Root for what he is, a conservative Libertarian on the “right” side of the big LP tent. We should not nominate him to run for any office until he completes his transition that some say he is going through.

    We need to stop helping him by whining about him and just out compete him for the limelight.

    And, we need to support all of our candidates and spokespersons if they are within the big-tent LP libertarian quadrant – even if they are not perfect Rothbardian Libetarians. We should, however, try to gently and peacefully steer them to the balanced middle that David Nolan was reminding us about.

    And, yes, I do waste too much time here on IPR and it will only be useful if I can reach one or more would-be, could-be LP leaders and steer them away from their attacks that are wasting even more resources and time, for we have a shortage of time, volunteers, money, donors, and rational, capable leadership.

  41. Be Rational Be Rational November 28, 2010

    @41 Yes, MHW, it is certain, Oswald acted alone. There is no evidence to the contrary … and I watched many of the events live and read the nutty books and also saw the physical computerized demonstration that showed just how the bullets were able to do what they did – no magic or extra shots, it fits the results, and it’s easy for one person to fire those shots and hit those targets at those distances. I got my marksman’s badge and I could do it.

    This case is closed.

    Oswald acted alone.

  42. Michael H. Wilson Michael H. Wilson November 28, 2010

    @ 43 BR writes; “and I watched many of the events live”. So you were there?

    Nice. Can we do an interview?

  43. Win/Win Win/Win November 28, 2010

    Be Rational: “By attacking Root, you are helping him.”

    Only in some ways. The controversy draws attention to both Root and his detractors. (To the fact that they exist, if not to any actual person or state party).

    With controversy, Root’s media profile increases, yet his “de facto face of the LP status decreases.

    Controversy advances the day that Root jettisons the LP, both because he no longer needs it, and because an LP majority no longer wants him.


    Yes, it’s unfortunate that Root used the LP as a Fox News career boost. But that’s done. Can’t worry about that now.

  44. Robert Capozzi Robert Capozzi November 28, 2010

    tb34: So far as I am concerned, in my own mind, Root is not a libertarian. He’s done nothing wrong for me to forgive, really. That is his preference.

    me: Yes, I’d say that critique is within bounds, although I find it counter-productive,which is MY opinion.

    tb37: You forgive yourself when you disagree with Root. I can’t even begin to comprehend that. Do you forgive yourself when you disagree with other people, or just when you disagree with Root?

    me: Sorry, that Taoist-like practice only makes sense to those who use the language around forgiveness and inclusion in very different ways. My bad for using in this dialog.

    Short version: While we all use categorization, when we disagree with another, that is often tinged with a sense of “I’m right/they are wrong.” A sense of exclusion tends to arise from that categorization. Taoism, and other eastern traditions, tend to take the idea of (let’s call it) universal brotherhood VERY seriously, more so, I’d suggest, than western traditions.

    Ideas that tend to exclude and separate us from one another are not helpful, but Be Rational is correct…rather than get upset when we see ourselves or others excluding one another, it’s really not something to take seriously. It’s more like something to laugh at and with. Making it serious only makes it worse, further separating ourselves into “camps.”

    You have every right to complain if you are served Spaghetti-Os when your ordered eggplant parm. I’d say that’s appropriate. You also have the right to stand outside the restaurant with a sign complaining about the inauthentic food, but I don’t think that that’s appropriate or even helpful to your cause. And if your accusations are based on one incident, consider the possibility that your antics may actually help the restaurant. “Hey, let’s go to that ‘Spaghetti-Os’ restaurant and get a great meal. We can laugh at that lunatic outside with the banner held high raving about his Spaghetti-Os incident. He’s amusing!”

  45. Robert Capozzi Robert Capozzi November 28, 2010

    win48, seeking the win/win is certainly wise. I doubt FoxNews pays any attention to Root detractors, however. When Root detractors may wild accusations, that tends to create a lose/lose, near as I can tell. They hurt their credibility by overstating their case. But enough might hurt Root’s personal reputation by getting just enough mud to stick.

    Of course, it could HELP Root — raising his “interesting” quotient — and hurt his detractors, who are overplaying their hand. If he deals with their affronts with grace, this too could help him.

  46. Opt Out Day was a massive success! Opt Out Day was a massive success! November 28, 2010

    It catapulted people I know/correspond with into the news. Not so often I walk past a TV and see them conduct biased interviews with people I know personally.

    It caused TSA to actually change procedure:

    It caused media apopleptics:

    If it was a failure, wouldn’t they have ignored it instead? The very fact they spent so much energy trying to paint it as a failure proves that it was a massively huge success.

    Record 92% of Travelers Choose to NOT Fly:

    AAA: Highways busier this holiday:

    Opt out massive success!

  47. Opt Out Day was a massive success! Opt Out Day was a massive success! November 28, 2010

    Let’s not get distracted by Ir Rational laughably unproven contentions about historic events;

    Stay focused.

    What are the next events we want to plan in the growing grassroots uprising against “security theater” gone wild?

    Folks, this will be bigger than the Tea Parties..


    The resistance is building too. Of course the stakeholders of the dying world order want to paint it as a failure.

    But we all know the reason they huff and puff is because they know it was a massive success…and just the beginning of a growing resistance movement.

  48. Gains Gains November 28, 2010

    The highways were very busy this weekend.

  49. Bob Barr gets this one right Bob Barr gets this one right November 28, 2010

    This tactic may help draw attention to TSA abuses; but, reining in this rogue agency will take much more. Lawsuits challenging TSA x-ray and body searches are pending and deserve our support. Airport authorities should be reminded they can in fact opt out of having TSA in charge of their screening. And, perhaps most important, the incoming chairmen of the House oversight and transportation committees should make TSA the subject of the first investigations they conduct in January 2011.

    -by Bob Barr, The Barr Code

  50. Growing resistance to TSA terrorism Growing resistance to TSA terrorism November 28, 2010

    The highways were very busy this weekend.


    by George Donnelly

    Based on early reports, it appears that the TSA resistance is triumphing beyond our wildest dreams. As we have noted everywhere, our primary message has always been to not fly. It’s in our name after all! And it appears that that is what people are doing! There are also reports that the TSA started dialing back its security theater last night. We hear they’re not selecting as many people for the scanners and the gropings are not touching genital areas.

    A Zogby poll came out last night. 61% are with us in our opposition to the groping and scanning. 48% are looking to join our boycott – they’re seeking alternatives to flying.

    CBS reports that a record number of Thanksgiving travelers have opted to drive:

    A record 92 percent, 40 million of the 42.2 million total travelers, are expected to drive, although the number of air travelers is expected to increase from 1.57 million to 1.62 million. CBS News travel editor Peter Greenberg warns that the much ballyhooed, new, invasive, airport security screening procedures at U.S. airports is expected to significantly slow air travel time.

    Correction: ABC reports it’s 94%: “We’re expecting 94 percent of all holiday travelers to go by automobile,” [Troy] Green [AAA national spokesperson] said, up 12 percent from last year.

  51. George Phillies George Phillies November 28, 2010

    For Thanksgiving, a short holiday, driving rather than flying can be impractical. For many more people, driving is practical at Christmas. In addition, many people had their Thanksgiving tickets before all these issues cropped up, so that the effect of all this on air travel may take a bit to become visible.

  52. Tom Blanton Tom Blanton November 28, 2010

    You have every right to complain if you are served Spaghetti-Os when your ordered eggplant parm.

    Capozzi, once again you pretend to miss the point. The point is that while Spaghetti-Os and gourmet spaghetti with marinara sauce are both pasta with tomato sauce, there is a huge difference. Another point is that an excellent Italian restaurant does not serve Spaghetti-Os.

    I could go on and on, Capozzi, but I believe you get the point, despite pretending not to.

    I’ll leave the Taoist in you with this relevant quote:

    “Those who know do not speak, those who speak, do not know”

    I’m glad that I do not claim to be a strict follower of the Tao, otherwise I might appear to have neglected the tenets of my philosophy.

    Speaking of ignoring the tenets of one’s professed philosophy, that is what we were discussing – only the philosophy was libertarianism.

    Hmmm, how in the world do we know what we know and don’t know what we don’t know?

  53. Thomas M. Sipos Thomas M. Sipos November 28, 2010

    Tom Blanton: “Capozzi, once again you pretend to miss the point. … I could go on and on, Capozzi, but I believe you get the point, despite pretending not to. “

    Funny, I was just now, on another thread, referring to Capozzi’s habit of feigning ignorance.

    Some people wish to discuss substance. Others, like Capozzi, enjoy playing games.

  54. Tom Blanton Tom Blanton November 28, 2010

    PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) – Undercover agents in a sting operation arrested a Somali-born teenager just as he tried blowing up a van full of what he believed were explosives at a crowded Christmas tree lighting ceremony in Portland, federal authorities said.

    The bomb was a fake supplied by the agents and the public was never in danger, authorities said.

    How can we feel safe attending public holiday gatherings now if the TSA won’t be there to inspect our genitals?

    Now, the only way Americans can be safe is to bomb Somalia immediately and to submit to security checks in all public places where people gather.

    Thank God we have the FBI to recruit terrorists, plan terrorist attacks, and supply fake bombs to the terrorists they recruit. The only way I’ll feel any safer is if the feds start conducting random anal probes at the shopping malls.

    But, I’m still not going to fly or go to the mall because it is impossible to be safe 100% of the time.

    I’m no Wayne Root when it comes to odds-making, but I’d be willing to wager that the next terrorist the FBI recruits will be from Yemen or the child of parents from Yemen.

  55. Tom Blanton Tom Blanton November 28, 2010

    Hey, I just forgave myself for disagreeing with Root and I really feel great! I feel like I am a much better person than those who disagree with Root and don’t forgive themselves.

    Just because Root is a false prophet who earns his living selling false profits (gambling tips and multi-level marketing schemes) to others doesn’t mean you can’t forgive yourself for disagreeing with him.

    I’m trying to forgive myself now for excluding Spaghetti-Os from the category of fine Italian cuisine. This exclusion is only a vain attempt to make myself feel superior to those who are connoisseurs of Spaghetti-Os. I am guilty, yet I have not progressed to the point where I can forgive myself for this profound transgression.

  56. Robert Capozzi Robert Capozzi November 28, 2010

    tb: ….the tenets of my philosophy.

    me: The notion of “tenets” may explain the communication breakdown here. Shakespeare, you and I spoke/speak English, yet I would imagine that we’d have a hard time understanding him, and that he wouldn’t understand us.

    If one proceeds from a deontological, rules-based perspective, one would have a very hard time making sense of: “Those who know do not speak, those who speak, do not know.” Does that mean that those who know never speak? Does it mean all speakers are ignorant? Taken literally from a rules-based thought system, yeah, that’s what it means. And it sounds a bit nonsensical to me.

    I read it to mean something more like: “Truth needs no defense.” Or, “truth is ineffable; it can’t be put into words.”

    Regardless, while it’s possible that those words are meant to be read literally and I don’t pretend to be a leading authority on all matters Tao, I’m reasonably confident that it’s not meant to be literally true.

    I share this not to critique, but to help explain. When I was a young child, I was Catholic. Pre-Vatican II, the rule was: It’s a sin to eat meat on Fridays. Then, all of a sudden, it wasn’t a sin. How could a “tenet” just change like that? Did it literally mean that those who ate meat on Fridays pre-Vatican II were still sinners post-Vatican II, or what? There was a lot of confusion in the Catholic community on this matter. What probably started out as symbolic homage to JC became a RULE, and violating the RULE became a SIN.

    So, for me, the whole tenet thing just ain’t working. If I’m feeling like Spaghetti-Os, dammit, that’s what I’ll eat. If I don’t like Spaghetti-Os, or I don’t want Spaghetti-Os in a fancy-schmancy restaurant or whatever, it’s all good. It’s all on us to make the rules or not for what works for us.

    If tolerance, forgiveness, or self-forgiveness aren’t working for you, dude, don’t do ’em. If you don’t find the relativistic notion of psychological projection useful, don’t use it. I’d strongly suggest it makes a lot of sense in an otherwise nonsensical world, but if you think that your tenets are real, and by all means defend them as you deem necessary. Or as the spirit moves you! Or for whatever reason you choose to use.

  57. Michael H. Wilson Michael H. Wilson November 28, 2010

    This is a little off topic but…profiling isn’t such a good idea always.

    Not everyone who is pissed off about our foreign policy is a Muslim.

    “Habash was born in Lydda (today’s Lod) to a Greek Orthodox Palestinian family.[1] As a child, he sang in the church choir.[2] Habash, a medical student at the American University of Beirut, was visiting his family during the 1948 Arab-Israeli war. In July 1948, the Israeli military captured Lydda from Jordanian and Arab Liberation Army forces. Habash and his family became refugees and were not allowed to return home.
    In 1951, after graduating first in his class from medical school, Habash worked in refugee camps in Jordan, and ran a clinic with Wadie Haddad in Amman. He firmly believed that occupied Palestine must be liberated by all possible means, including armed resistance.[3] In an effort to recruit the Arab World to this cause, Habash founded the Arab Nationalist Movement in 1951 and aligned the organization with Gamal Abdel Nasser’s Arab nationalist ideology.
    He was implicated in the 1957 coup attempt in Jordan, which had originated among Palestinian members of the National Guard. Habash was convicted in absentia, after having gone underground when King Hussein proclaimed martial law and banned all political parties. In 1958 he fled to Syria (then part of the United Arab Republic), but was forced to return to Beirut in 1961 by the tumultuous break-up of the UAR.
    Habash was a leading member of the Palestine Liberation Organization until 1967 when he was sidelined by Fatah leader Yasser Arafat. In response, Habash founded the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine”

  58. Darryl W. Perry Darryl W. Perry November 28, 2010

    @MHW – unfortunately some people are not able to differentiate between “Muslim” and “Middle Eastern” – some people think all people from the Middle East are Muslim

  59. Michael H. Wilson Michael H. Wilson November 28, 2010

    BTW there are red haired Arabs. One of Saddam’s generals had red hair.

  60. If history is any guide... If history is any guide... November 29, 2010

    Now that the anti-TSA activism is causing record numbers of people to drive instead of flying, how long before another setup “terrorist plot” at the airport to swing public sentiment back to their side? Maybe it will be a domestic right wing terrorist this time, all the better to justify a crackdown…

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