America’s Independent Party Speaks Out Against “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” Repeal

This is via a Tom Hoefling Facebook post. It is from the AIP News website, but links to a Washington Examiner story.

18 thoughts on “America’s Independent Party Speaks Out Against “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” Repeal

  1. Don Grundmann

    This posting is unfortunately a classic of our time as the ultra corrupt founders of America’s Independent Party ( a totally fake conservative party ), Alan Keyes and his fellow mole Tom Hoefling, have worked behind the scenes via their friends within the Anti-Defamation League ( ADL ) and the Southern Poverty Law Center ( SPLC ) to push homosexuality into all parts of our culture and society from our schools to our military. Keyes, as the chief anti-Christian mole within the conservative movement, has, with Hoefling, cultivated the perfect cover under which to undermine the conservative movement of our nation and work toward this day where their attack against our military forces has reached fruition. Any comments from Hoefling are the equivalent of crocodile tears as he is a fake, coward, liar, and deadly mole within the conservative and patriot movements of our nation. He and Keyes have served their masters well and have worked hard to neutralize the conservative movement in order to achieve this betrayal of our armed forces. The corruption of Hoefling and Keyes is documented at TheCorruptionOfAlanKeyes.blogspot.com.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  2. Don Grundmann

    This post is an unfortunate classic in that the founders, conservative movement master moles Alan Keyes and Tom Hoefling, of the fake conservative party, America’s Independent Party, have worked in tandem to betray and neutralize the conservative movement of our nation in service to their masters of the Anti-Defamation League ( ADL ) and the Southern Poeverty Law Center ( SPLC ) who are pushing homosexuality into all areas of our culture and society from our schools to our military. Hence any comments by Hoefling proclaiming opposition to the overturning of ‘ Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell ” are crocodile tears to cover his own betrayal of the conservative movement of our nation and its ability to stop the corruption of the attack of homosexuality upon the military. Bottom line – both Keyes and Hoefling are liars and ultra corrupt traitors working in service to their ADL and SPLC masters to undermine the conservative movement from within. They, especially Keyes, have worked for years to establish the perfect cover behind which they can safely work to betray our nation. And now our military will unfortunately pay the price for their betrayal.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  3. George Phillies

    And, in a few elections, with some luck the Republican party will be almost as influential as the guiding geniuses noted above, which is to say, the LNC will derive an income stream by renting them the telephone booth the Republicans will need for their national convention.

  4. Don Grundmann

    This post is an unfortunate classic in that the founders, conservative movement master moles Alan Keyes and Tom Hoefling, of the fake conservative party, America’s Independent Party, have worked in tandem to betray and neutralize the conservative movement of our nation in service to their masters of the Anti-Defamation League ( ADL ) and the Southern Poeverty Law Center ( SPLC ) who are pushing homosexuality into all areas of our culture and society from our schools to our military. Hence any comments by Hoefling proclaiming opposition to the overturning of ‘ Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell ” are crocodile tears to cover his own betrayal of the conservative movement of our nation and its ability to stop the corruption of the attack of homosexuality upon the military. Bottom line – both Keyes and Hoefling are liars and ultra corrupt traitors working in service to their ADL and SPLC masters to undermine the conservative movement from within. They, especially Keyes, have worked for years to establish the perfect cover behind which they can safely work to betray our nation. And now our military will unfortunately pay the price for their betrayal.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  5. Red Phillips

    24Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them.

    25For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

    26For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,

    27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

    28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, ~ Romans 1: 24-28 (NASV)

    So Dr. Phillies is God a “bigot?” Libertarian Girl, is God a “tard?”

  6. Michael H. Wilson

    As I posted elsewhere.

    When I was a kid living on the navy base outside of Memphis I went to Catholic school and each morning on of the lay teachers would drive a group of us to the school where she taught 4th grade. This lay teacher was living with an officer on the base. That is they were living in a house provided by the U.S. Navy. The officer was the senior nurse on the base. To clarify the senior nurse and the lay teacher were both women living in government provided housing. It was common knowledge that they were lesbians and no one complained. For me as a seventh grade student this was my first knowledge that women had sexual relations together.

    And if my recall of history is half way decent I believe that one of the officers responsible for training troops for Gen. Washington was gay or at least some of the troops complained because he kept a young man in his tent at night.

    Btw there were plenty of gays in the service when I served some years ago.

  7. Opeach Obama, I mean, is this the best we can do? [Lake]

    A mid western / heart land perspective:

    my high school had one latina (dark, dark, black hair) and one black guy (basket ball and long jumper, as a racial icon).

    I knew of no GLBT in my high school. A year later they were all over my college, an extremely conservative state campus.

    Especially the math department, as I made three attempts to pass Calculus (‘the area under a curve’) all three of my appointed tutors made passes at me. (I had hair back then.)

    Eventually the world is a very complex and even weird place.

  8. wolfefan

    Hi Red –

    You raise a good question, and one that I think a lot of politically involved Christians haven’t dealt with. To what degree should what God and the Bible call sin be legal/illegal under the law?

  9. Red Phillips

    You’re right wolfefan, that is a good question, but DADT repeal is not about legality or illegality. It is about who is or is not qualified to be in the military.

    My point to Phillies and lib girl is that people who think everyone who objects to homosexuality is just a simple bigot is … well bigoted against Christians (and other religions for that matter) who take their faith seriously.

    Also, on another point, the military, for better or worse, is a decidedly unlibertarian institution. They tell you what to wear, how to cut your hair, how much you can weigh, etc. We have a bunch of libertarians (and liberals) who want to tell the unlibertarian military that they need to be more libertarian. But I don’t see them railing on behalf of hippies or slobs or the overweight. Why all the concern about gays in particular? Because forcing the normalization of something God calls an abomination is the main front in the culture war against Christianity. Phillies knows this. Lib Girl knows this.

    (BTW, calling people “tards” is a bit insensitive. I suspect lib girl’s PC friends she is kissing up to would object to that language.)

  10. paulie

    63 US Senators vote to destroy the United States Military [Cloture vote on “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_orientation_and_military_service

    Nations that permit gay people to serve openly in the military include the Republic of China (Taiwan), Australia, Israel, Argentina, Canada, all member states of the European Union and every original NATO signatory except Turkey.[1]

    http://www.brookings.edu/opinions/2010/0607_dont_ask_dont_tell_singer.aspx

  11. paulie

    # 1 Countries that allow gay people to serve

    * 1.1 Albania
    * 1.2 Argentina
    * 1.3 Australia
    * 1.4 Austria
    * 1.5 Belgium
    * 1.6 Canada
    * 1.7 Republic of China
    * 1.8 Colombia
    * 1.9 Czech Republic
    * 1.10 Denmark
    * 1.11 Estonia
    * 1.12 Finland
    * 1.13 France
    * 1.14 Germany
    * 1.15 Greece
    * 1.16 Republic of Ireland
    * 1.17 Israel
    * 1.18 Italy
    * 1.19 Japan
    * 1.20 Lithuania
    * 1.21 Luxembourg
    * 1.22 Malta
    * 1.23 The Netherlands
    * 1.24 New Zealand
    * 1.25 Norway
    * 1.26 Peru
    * 1.27 Philippines
    * 1.28 Poland
    * 1.29 Romania
    * 1.30 Russia
    * 1.31 Serbia
    * 1.32 Slovenia
    * 1.33 South Africa
    * 1.34 Spain
    * 1.35 Sweden
    * 1.36 Switzerland
    * 1.37 United Kingdom
    o 1.37.1 Bermuda
    * 1.38 Uruguay

  12. paulie

    And the ones that don’t:

    * Antigua and Barbuda[52]
    * Bangladesh[52]
    * Barbados[52]
    * Belarus[52]
    * Belize[52]
    * Botswana[52]
    * Brunei[52]
    * Cameroon[52]
    * Cuba
    * Cyprus[52]
    * Dominica[52]
    * Egypt
    * Fiji[52]
    * Ghana[52]
    * Grenada[52]
    * Guyana[52]
    * Iran
    * Kenya[52]
    * Kiribati[52]
    * Jamaica[52]
    * Lesotho[52]
    * Malawi[52]
    * Malaysia[52]
    * Maldives[52]
    * Mozambique[52]
    * Namibia[52]
    * Nauru[52]
    * Nigeria[52]
    * North Korea
    * Pakistan[52]
    * Papua New Guinea[52]
    * Saudi Arabia
    * Seychelles[52]
    * Sierra Leone[52]
    * Singapore[52]
    * Solomon Islands[52]
    * South Korea[53]
    * Sri Lanka[52]
    * St. Kitts and Nevis[52]
    * St. Lucia[52]
    * St. Vincent and the Grenadines[52]
    * Swaziland[52]
    * Syria
    * Tanzania[52]
    * Tonga[52]
    * Trinidad and Tobago[52]
    * Turkey[52][54] (see note)
    * Tuvalu[52]
    * Uganda[52]
    * Vanuatu[52]
    * Venezuela[52]
    * Yemen
    * Zambia[52]
    * Zimbabwe[52]

    Under “other policies” they list only Turkey and USA.

    Turkey:

    Officially, homosexuals are banned from military service in Turkey. However, it is not regularly applied in practice. Only military hospitals decide whether the person is homosexual by giving “Physico-sexual disorder” diagnosis. A person must prove his sexual orientation with explicit evidence showing he is involving in a sex act. [61]

  13. Mik Robertson

    @5 Who was it that wrote the mentioned Bible verses? If it wasn’t God, how did whoever wrote them know for sure what God thought?

  14. Opeach Obama, I mean, is this the best we can do? [Lake]

    As some whom asked for and got a leather bound ‘Good News For Modern Man’ / Tindell Press [Chicago] New Testament as a six teen year old, what has bothered me about biblical [Talmud, NT, Koran] accounts is the contamination and lack of precision in translation.

    Not only were various parts of biblical inscriptions done in various languages, but then they are REPEATEDLY translated.

    Much of the pre Christian era documentation is done in the Greco Roman ‘biblical greek’. The original Genesis has the six days of creation as the six indeterminate periods of planet building.

    Wait a minute is a good example. The phrase often means, ‘wait a moment’ —– not an exact sixty second timing.

    The Jews as paramid building slaves in Egypt? Not only is there absolutely, positively no Egyptian documentation of forced construction crews, but written statement after written statement details the well paid, well fed VOLUNTEERS on building crews ——- and their near site villages are being dug up all the time.

    The Bible is what the Bible is, and as history needs to be referenced by documentation and archeology.

  15. Opeach Obama, I mean, is this the best we can do? [Lake]

    Under “other policies” they list only Turkey and USA. Turkey:

    In both the [American] Civil War and WWII possible non heterosexual orientation was enough to get you blocked, discharged, or arrested at the start of the conflict. As more and more troops / canon fodder were needed at the front later on, you had to be charged and convicted of actual, physical homo sexual acts.

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