Wayne Root: ‘The Obama Conspiracy Against Small Business’


By Wayne Allyn Root, Small Businessman and 2008 Libertarian Vice Presidential Nominee

I am a small business owner who graduated from Columbia University almost 30 years ago alongside my classmate Barack Obama. In those nearly 30 years, I’ve done everything my family, community, and country have asked. As a S.O.B. (son of a butcher), I am completely self-made. I’m a homeowner who pays his mortgage and taxes in full and on time. I’ve been married to the same woman for 19 years. I am the father of four beautiful children- including a home-schooled daughter now attending Harvard. We home-school our other children, aged 2, 6 and 10, paying for their education ourselves, even though we already pay for public schools with our property taxes. But, I don’t complain. I just work harder.

I’ve never done drugs, nor do I smoke or drink. I’ve never been addicted to anything, but hard work and entrepreneurship. I’ve started and owned several businesses and built my success with no help from anyone, but my entrepreneurial partners. I even looked into using the best CRMs for small businesses to help scale up my business and keep track of clients/customers. I didn’t let the idea of doing this on my own put me off.

I’ve never asked government for anything. Some of my businesses have succeeded, some have failed. Funny how the private sector works- no matter how much I lose, it never costs government or taxpayers a dime. But they sure take a big chunk when I win. The mafia has much in common with our federal government- except what the government does is called “legal.”

Like most small business owners, I’ve worked 14 hour days, 365 days a year, for 30 years. My vacations are all “working vacations.” My work days never end (ask my wife). Unlike government employees, when I go home my workday doesn’t end. I toss and turn in my sleep worrying about how to pay my bills and taxes. That’s how it works when you pay your own bills, without bailouts from government.

During my career I’ve been broke, but never let myself think I was poor. Like most hard-working American taxpayers, I have never collected a dollar in unemployment, or other government benefits. As a self-employed business owner, I pay the full 15%+ for Social Security and Medicare taxes, yet I’ll probably never see a dime in return. Now, those who pay no taxes, are demanding the FICA cap be raised, so they can collect more. Others are demanding my taxes be raised so they can extend unemployment beyond 99 weeks. Government wants to dole out more handouts, bailouts and stimulus. Small business owners pay for all that, yet we never collect a dime. It seems surreal, doesn’t it?

In the old America known by my father and grandfather, small business owners were “preferred customers,” metaphorically wined and dined to create jobs and keep us in business. But in Obama’s bizarre world of progressives, socialists, unions, and big government, we’re demonized as evil and greedy, singled out for punishment, and targeted. The harder we work, the more we succeed, the more they want to steal our money and redistribute it to others who don’t want to work as hard, or don’t want to work at all. Some of these people collecting entitlements, welfare, food stamps, aid to dependent children, free meals at school, housing allowances, free medical, and free education, aren’t even in the country legally. Small business owners like me are asked to pay for it all, yet we receive nothing in return. The system isn’t working anymore. It’s backwards. It does everything for the people who expect everything from government, and nothing for the people who pay for everything.

President Obama and his progressive, big government, socialist cabal are involved in a conspiracy to ruin small business, steal our money (they call it “redistribute”), and destroy our lives. At times it seems even many Republicans are in on this conspiracy. Together these D.C. establishment politicians have tried to damage or ruin our lives so many times, it’s becoming quite clear it’s no mistake, no coincidence. It’s a purposeful plan to wipe out small business owners by burying us in higher taxes and adding layers of oppressive rules, regulations, laws, and lawyers, until we can no longer survive. Every law they pass benefits big business- corporations rich enough to pay for armies of lawyers and lobbyists and compliance officers. Small business cannot compete- thereby allowing big government and big business to rule our lives.

Funny thing though…the more government targets small business owners, the worse the economy gets, the higher unemployment rises. It’s no coincidence. While the Government is spending trillions; and the Fed printing trillions more; and Obama’s voters are receiving never-before-imagined levels of unemployment, welfare and stimulus; and big corporations are getting billions in bailouts and corporate welfare; the economy continues to spiral downward, and unemployment continues to skyrocket. Obama and his elitist socialist cabal can’t understand why this is happening.

The answer is simple. Poor people don’t create jobs; unions don’t create jobs; the Fed has never created a single job; and the government can only kill jobs. Even big business doesn’t create any increase in net jobs. History proves that the only group that actually creates jobs is the same group that Obama is targeting, punishing, and demonizing- small business. Small business alone holds the key to our economic recovery. It is the work ethic of small business owners, along with our willingness to sacrifice and risk to create a better life for our families, that creates jobs and the income to pay the taxes that funds government, funds the public companies and banks on Wall Street, and the privileged lives of our elite detractors. Now they repay us by trying to wipe us out.

Small business is at the breaking point. We’re tired of being your whipping boy and meal ticket rolled into one. What if your meal ticket went away? What if we simply refused to pay your bills anymore? Fund your own government. Fund your own wars. Fund your own welfare system. Fund your own failing public schools. Fund your own retirement.

My message to Obama and his progressive cabal is to tread carefully. You have reached a crisis point. The only group who can save this economy is at the point of open rebellion. If you continue to punish and demonize us, we’re going to leave. We don’t work for a boss, we don’t work for government, and we certainly don’t work for you. We work for ourselves and our families. We fight for our individual dreams, not yours. We fight for individuality, self-reliance, personal responsibility, and economic and personal freedom. The same things that our ancestors fought for…and founded America for. If government wants to be our boss, we’re quitting and going elsewhere. And if we leave, I hope you have a backup plan. Because there will be no one left to pay your bills. I’d advise turning out the lights, because the party’s over. And so is the American Dream.

Wayne Root’s Website: www.RootForAmerica.com

61 thoughts on “Wayne Root: ‘The Obama Conspiracy Against Small Business’

  1. Michael H. Wilson

    Wayne if you look at history you’ll find that poor people do create quite a few jobs and they’d probably create more if there were fewer regulations, especially occupational licensing laws.

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  3. Tom Blanton

    Wayne’s a good ole boy and he’s tellin’ it like it is. There weren’t none of this progressive communizum back when Bush was in there fightin’ for us hard workin’ crackers.

    Wayne ain’t like them RINO Republicans – he’s the real deal cuz he knows the country went to hell in a handbasket the day they swore in that Obama. He’s more Republican than any of them Republicans they got up there now and if he runs for Prezident, every cracker that votes will be votin’ for Wayne.

    Git-R-Done, Wayne!

  4. Tiradefaction

    Better than his loony ravings that Obama is a “socialist”, but still generally wrong.

  5. Michael H. Wilson

    Wayne may i suggest the book by Walter Williams title “The State Against Blacks”. for start on how the establishment screws the poor in this country.

    Open markets are markets of Opportunity and in America the marketplace is closed.

    Or to borrow a phrase; Market are like parachutes. They work best when they are open.

  6. Andy

    I thought that Wayne Root didn’t believe that the government engaged in conspiracy theories. When it comes to 9/11, Root believes that the government told the truth about it, yet now he’s saying that there’s a government conspiracy against small business owners.

    I agree with most of what he said above, I just wanted to point out the irony here.

  7. Thomas M. Sipos

    Andy: “I thought that Wayne Root didn’t believe that the government engaged in conspiracy theories.”

    And I thought Root’s supporters didn’t think that LP leaders should talk about “conspiracies.” That it made the LP seem fringy, weird, toxic, and drove away voters.

    But I guess fringy conspiracy language is okay when the “de facto face” of the LP use fringy language.

  8. Robert Capozzi

    tms11, I’m not a Root “supporter” per se, but I’m not a big fan of “conspiracy theories” in general, or Ls using them. Some “conspiracies” seem over the top to me, like chem trails, black helicopters, and 9/11 Truth. This is not to say that there may be verifiable facts involved in any of these theories — there are. And any of these conspiracy theories are not outside the realm of possibility.

    Specifically, I don’t see how advancing an ideological agenda as a “conspiracy” has the appropriate tone. Ls could be said to be “conspiring” to advance freedom, for ex.

    Based on his background and behavior, Obama does seem to advance a progressive agenda, one that incorporates a lot of socialistic ideas. He does seem to want the government to “spread the wealth around.” His destructive behaviors seem to be as much about destroying wealth as spreading it around, perhaps unconsciously. His administration doesn’t have many/any who seem to understand the wealth-creation process, and the importance of a rule of law that allows an incentive structure to arise into a spontaneous order. Somehow, he doesn’t seem to get that soak-the-rich tax plans hurt everyone, creating a lose/lose situation.

    In this case, I don’t read Root’s use of the word “conspiracy” as fringy, though. Obama’s economic policies are a kind of de facto conspiracy against wealth creation 😉 When Root goes on about how he never saw Obama at Columbia, he does start to sound fringy to me.

    Mostly, I’d say Root’s an edgy sort, one who’s too far to the right for my tastes.

  9. Thomas M. Sipos

    LP Watcher: “#11 You wouldn’t like what Root said, even if you agreed with it.”

    That’s funny. Because my underlying point @ 11 was that Root supporters like what Root says, even if they disagree with it.

    Had any LP “abolitionist” or radical used the term “conspiracy,” Root supporters would chide that person for “driving away voters” with “toxic activism.”

    Observe in past threads how Root supporters normally chide Truthers, but ignore that Root flirts with Birthers.

    (FWIW, I’m not a Truther or a Birther.)

  10. Robert Capozzi

    tms, I’d say politics is a form of “flirting,” that is, attracting others to your POV.

    Birthers and Truthers seem far apart in the universe of conspiracy theories. Some of BHO’s docs don’t seem fully in order. Family moved around a lot. One parent not born in the US. Where BHO was actually born seems like a reasonable question, although it doesn’t interest me personally.

    Cheney gave the order to fly jets into US buildings COULD be true, but that seems far-fetched on its face.

  11. Thomas L. Knapp

    Bob@15,

    You write:

    “Where BHO was actually born seems like a reasonable question”

    Yes, it was a reasonable question. Then Obama made his birth certificate available, and the local newspaper birth notices were dug up, and that reasonable question was dispositively settled. After that it became not a reasonable question, but a claim. A claim that is, as you like to put it, “fringy.”

    9/11 Truthism, on the other hand, is a range of beliefs ranging from the obviously true (e.g. that there are troubling unanswered questions about 9/11) , to the edgy but reasonable (e.g. that one or more governments may have had some amount of foreknowledge of the attacks) to the completely evidenceless, and therefore “fringy” (e.g. “it was an inside job”).

    Because it has been proven beyond reasonable doubt (not all doubt, just reasonable doubt) that Obama was born in Hawaii, “Obama Birtherism” by its nature falls into the same category as that last type of “9/11 Truthism.”

  12. AroundtheblockAFT

    One defect is where’s the mention of the LP and its pro-small business platform? This article could have been written by any number of conservative Republicans. Another defect: it preaches to the already converted in that there is no examples given of what Obama has done to harm small business in particular. If you are an
    undecided reader, don’t you want some quotes and concrete examples that bolster the writer’s case? We cannot educate the vast voting public with bloviating screeds, no matter how sincerely advocated and philosophically grounded they may be.

  13. JT

    Michael: “Wayne if you look at history you’ll find that poor people do create quite a few jobs and they’d probably create more if there were fewer regulations, especially occupational licensing laws.”

    Job creation depends on having capital. Those people who can accurately be considered “poor” generally don’t have much capital; they live paycheck to paycheck.

    Of course, many people who started out as poor work hard, don’t have kids they can’t afford, save some of their money, and then move out of poverty. They may then invest some of their money wisely into an enterprise and create some jobs. If that enterprise becomes very successful, they create a lot of jobs. But you don’t “create” many jobs when you’re poor. It’s the people who are well-off who invest a lot of money into productive enterprises and create jobs–including jobs for poor people–which is one reason why it’s bad economics to tax the wealthy so much.

    Michael: “Open markets are markets of Opportunity and in America the marketplace is closed.”

    It’s not “closed.” It’s just difficult to break in and succeed when you’re up against much bigger competitors (especially if they’re politically connected) as well as onerous government regulations. But there are many, many businesses that started out as tiny operations and have grown to become large and wealthy. These include businesses owned by black people.

  14. Be Rational

    @16

    Root attacks and blames Obama, progressives, socialists, big government and some Republicans for the damage being done to business and the economy. He writes as a small business owner and the 1988 Libertarian Party Vice Presidential nominee … so this article is clearly balanced in blaming both parties and clearly represents the Libertarian point of view. It is nicely done.

  15. Be Rational

    @15 The birthers are just anti Obama nutjobs who have no basis for their claims. They are beyond the fringe into being loudmouthed and dangerous wackos.

    The truthers have no basis for any claims of conspiracy either. However, the general questioning and mistrust of government is healthy. It’s just that they make ridiculous claims that are impossible in the physical world and they have no evidence whatsoever. They are ignorant of engineering and make stupid claims – and even their group of so-called architects and engineers has, at most, 2 members who could possibly have any expertise based on credentials, out of tens of thousands of actually qualified civil and structural engineers who have dismissed the truther rantings as the ravings of ignorant but agitiated loons.

    But, when it comes to the government attacks on the free market, the economy and small business, we can see them happening every day. They cannot be denied. They are passed into law by groups of politicians working together, so that could be labeled a conspiracy.

    The only unknown is the intent of the conspirators. Some, no doubt, are evil socialists intent on destruction of the free market. Some are certainly evil opportunists in pursuit of power and personal wealth, and many seem to be foolish, ignorant, uneducated boobs … the best the Democrats and Republicans have to offer.

  16. AroundtheblockAFT

    BR #18: I didn’t say he didn’t blame the other parties, I said he didn’t mention the LP’s platform for helping small business. And an unconverted reader is given no specifics as to what Obama and his minions are doing to small business and employers. It may be well-written but it certainly is not well-argued!

  17. Steven R Linnabary

    Andy:, “I thought that Wayne Root didn’t believe that the government engaged in conspiracy theories.”

    You don’t get Root’s FB posts?

    He posts an abundance from “PrisonPlanet” & “Infowars”, which is rather conspiratorial IMHO.

    PEACE

  18. George Phillies

    If you want to see a real government conspiracy in action, you have but to observe the activities of various people in their attacks on Wikileaks, such as Senator Liebermann driving them off the Amazon cloud system, incidentally killing the cloud computing concept for business purposes, and an effort to cut off wikileaks supply of money through various means.

  19. Michael H. Wilson

    re JT @ 17. A lot depends on how you define capital. I know of a man who used to peddle rags for a living. Today he has a large building and still sells rags. I know another who mopped floors for a living and road the bus to get to work. Today he owns more than one building. Lots of those stories out there. Women who weren’t rich but started baking from the homes and turned that into something spectacular. One of the best stories is of a guy named J.R. Simplot, a poor kid from Eastern Idaho. He had little schooling and I doubt he got beyond grade school. When he died a couple of years ago he was one of the riches men in America and if you ever ate at McDonalds you probably ate one of his French fries.

    JT writes; “It’s not “closed.” It’s just difficult to break in and succeed when you’re up against much bigger competitors (especially if they’re politically connected) as well as onerous government regulations.”

    Sorry JT, the taxi business is closed in much of America as well as the inner city bus business. You can read for the law in only seven states. So the law as an occupation is closed to you unless you go to law school in the other states.

    And to be blunt about it, if you have to get a permit, you are not free.

    I could go on but I think you get the point.

  20. Michael H. Wilson

    BTW JT I have known more than one person from south of the border who came across with nothing more than the shirt on their back and maybe a family member and turned out to own a small business years later. Their capital was in their work ethic. Send ’em all up in that case.

  21. Matt Cholko

    I get tired of hearing Wayne mention Obama and the Dems without spreading the blame around to the GOP, just like everyone else here. However, I agree with most of what he has said here. That’s nice for a change.

    As for government screwing the poor, you’re damn right they do. However, that doesn’t have anything to do with that fact that they screw small business owners too. Its okay for Wayne to mention one group in particular.

  22. George Whitfield

    Well written article Wayne. I understand where you are coming from. Keep up the good work. And on a different subject, lets all help the Maryland Libertarian Party gain ballot status.

  23. JT

    Michael: “Sorry JT, the taxi business is closed in much of America as well as the inner city bus business. You can read for the law in only seven states. So the law as an occupation is closed to you unless you go to law school in the other states.”

    Sorry, Michael, but that doesn’t equal “the marketplace is closed.” That’s a gross overstatement. Your examples refer to very specific lines of work, and usually ones in which you have to obtain licenses and insurance but you can still operate (you shouldn’t have to obtain anything in those lines of work either).

    And as far as those stories, that’s exactly what I was referring to in my post. If you have no savings and live paycheck to paycheck, then you don’t create jobs. Job creation requires investment, which is only possible if people have some money to invest, obviously. And the more money people have, the more they invest and create jobs. It’s a widespread misconception that most of the income the wealthy earn goes toward consumption; most of it goes toward investment, which is what fuels economic growth and creates (and sustains) jobs.

    Michael: “BTW JT I have known more than one person from south of the border who came across with nothing more than the shirt on their back and maybe a family member and turned out to own a small business years later. Their capital was in their work ethic.”

    That’s not capital. A strong work ethic is a precondition for accumulating capital.

  24. Robert Capozzi

    jt: A strong work ethic is a precondition for accumulating capital.

    me: “…is generally a precondition…” would be more accurate. Not all capital accumulation is a function of work ethic. Winning the lotto or inheriting capital could lead to further capital accumulation.

  25. Michael H. Wilson

    JT I guess we are discussing different concepts so there no use in continuing this dialogue. Besides I didn’t come here to debate with you. I don’t have time for that nonsense. I was making a couple of points regarding Root’s comments.

  26. Thomas M. Sipos

    “Your examples refer to very specific lines of work, and usually ones in which you have to obtain licenses and insurance but you can still operate …”

    Not in my town of Santa Monica, where the City Council recently limited the number of taxi companies allowed to solicit business, in effect making their very existence illegal.

    The City Council decided that too many cabs on the streets was detrimental to the “quality of life,” and so they limited the number of cabs and cab companies: http://www.canyon-news.com/artman2/publish/santamonica/Santa_Monica_Limits_Taxis_on_Streets_printer.php

    Recently, they increased the number of taxis a bit, due to public outcry. But many cab companies will still be kept out: http://www.smmirror.com/?ajax#mode=single&view=31340

  27. Entrepreneur

    JT,

    Someone can simk almost all their money into payroll for other people and advertising, and themselves live on a small margin. In such a way, a poor person can create jobs.

    Most small businesses fail within the first few years. The owners of those businesses are not necessarily what people think of when they say “rich.” In many cases they are not even middle class, and may well indeed be living on the same kind of time frame as someone living paycheck to paycheck…even though they are the ones cutting the checks.

    If their business uses a building and equipment (and not all businesses do), they may be rented.

    Been there and done that quite a few times.

  28. George Phillies

    Meanwhile the fascist conspiracy against the 1st amendment, led by Tailgunner Joe Lieberman, the congressman from South Carolina, and the department of little justice, is hard at work pursuing the wikileaks press coverage. Tailgunner Joe, having proven that cloud computing does not work, will now be asking a Congressional Investigation of the New York Times.

  29. JT

    Michael: “JT I guess we are discussing different concepts so there no use in continuing this dialogue. Besides I didn’t come here to debate with you. I don’t have time for that nonsense. I was making a couple of points regarding Root’s comments.”

    Then don’t continue it. We’re not discussing different concepts; I addressed exactly what you said. Sorry if the answers bothered you, but they’re accurate. And I don’t know why you consider disagreeing on a thread to be “nonsense,” but that’s your prerogative.

    Thomas: “Not in my town of Santa Monica, where the City Council recently limited the number of taxi companies allowed to solicit business, in effect making their very existence illegal.”

    Okay. But let’s not miss the forest for the trees here.

    The initial blanket statement was that “in America the marketplace is closed.” As a generalization, this is patently false. “Closed” would mean illegal to enter into and compete. This may apply to some lines of work, but it hardly applies to many, many others.

    Entrepreneur: “Someone can simk almost all their money into payroll for other people and advertising, and themselves live on a small margin. In such a way, a poor person can create jobs.”

    No. Because when such a person sank almost all of their money into those things and created jobs, he or she wasn’t poor. And to the he or she is getting a good return on it, albeit not for consumption, he or she still isn’t.

    “Most small businesses fail within the first few years. The owners of those businesses are not necessarily what people think of when they say “rich.””

    That’s true. I didn’t say otherwise.

    Entrepreneur: “If their business uses a building and equipment (and not all businesses do), they may be rented.”

    It makes no difference whether it’s rented or owned.

  30. Robert Capozzi

    jt: It makes no difference whether it’s rented or owned.

    me: It depends on the lease terms. ST leases are generally not considered capex, but opex, if I recall correctly.

  31. JT

    Me: “And to the he or she is getting a good return on it, albeit not for consumption, he or she still isn’t.”

    That should read “And to the extent…”

    Robert: “It depends on the lease terms. ST leases are generally not considered capex, but opex, if I recall correctly.”

    Yes, but I’m not talking about capital in the sense of accounting expenses. I’m talking about capital in the economic sense: any good used to produce other goods or services for consumption. A building or a machine is a capital good if it’s used to produce other goods or services for consumption, whether the capital good is bought or leased. To obtain that capital good in either case, you need savings to invest in it beyond the money you use for personal consumption.

  32. Robert Capozzi

    jt, yes, I agree. Financial markets and financing terms have tended to shift capital goods from outright ownership to lease agreements, often at very attractive terms. Some would say that easy credit facilitates malinvestment. SBA loans might be an example. Leverage leads to more leverage, culminating in booms that then go bust.

    Regardless, that there needs to be some savings after personal consumption to fund a business seems a rather basic point. Why the tutorial?

  33. JT

    Robert: “Regardless, that there needs to be some savings after personal consumption to fund a business seems a rather basic point. Why the tutorial?”

    It wasn’t a “tutorial.” You ask that as though I launched into an academic lecture on economics out of the blue. Scroll up to see how the discussion unfolded and you’ll see what prompted my responses. And if anything I said seems basic to you, it’s because that basic point and it’s implications weren’t being recognized.

  34. Entrepreneur

    Entrepreneur: “Someone can sink almost all their money into payroll for other people and advertising, and themselves live on a small margin. In such a way, a poor person can create jobs.”

    JT: No. Because when such a person sank almost all of their money into those things and created jobs, he or she wasn’t poor. And to the he or she is getting a good return on it, albeit not for consumption, he or she still isn’t.

    E: Almost all of their money meaning profits from the business. The business may have been started as a solo enterprise or family enterprise.

    There are many cases where poor people go into business for themselves, either with a business that does not require a building and equipment or one that rents them, make a profit which they reinvest into hiring additional people, advertising, and other things related to the business, and meanwhile continue to live on a modest income with few savings and few if any investments unrelated to the business.

    If the business fails, as most do, they are back at square zero. It happens all the time.

  35. JT

    Entrepreneur, you’re really not getting it.

    If you have money to invest into “hiring additional people, advertising, and other things related to the business,” then YOU’RE NOT POOR. It doesn’t matter if you choose to live modestly or not. You certainly may BECOME poor after the fact. But when you invest in those things and create jobs after you’ve earned the money, YOU’RE NOT. I don’t know how more obvious this can be, but it’s a good example for Capozzi to see what I meant in my last post.

    Entrepreneur: “If the business fails, as most do, they are back at square zero. It happens all the time.”

    Yes. How does this run counter to anything I’ve said? I didn’t say most businesses don’t fail, or people never lose most or all of their money from failed enterprises, or people with a meager income can’t have a hot dog stand. I said you can’t create jobs for people if you don’t have the money to invest in the capital that allows you to create jobs for people in the first place. If you do, then you’re not living in poverty.

  36. Gains

    This guy once came up and washed my windshield when I was stopped in an intersection. He had a spray bottle with cleaner solution, several cloth towels and a roll of paper towels. He asked to be paid what I thought the service was was worth.

    He owned a business and he was poor.

  37. JT

    Gains: “This guy once came up and washed my windshield when I was stopped in an intersection. He had a spray bottle with cleaner solution, several cloth towels and a roll of paper towels. He asked to be paid what I thought the service was was worth.

    He owned a business and he was poor.”

    Geez, is this a response to me? If so, see my hot dog stand comment. Then read everything else I’ve said.

  38. Be Rational

    So, a guy making minimum wage, too poor to rent an apt. sleeps in his rusting 1970s car, only buys food to eat, saves a couple thousand dollars and starts a very small business. He makes a little money in profits, about the same as his minimum wage job, so he continues to buy only food and sleep in his car. Now, he reinvests these meager profits to expand his business and hire his first employee.

    Here is a poor person who is creating a business and creating jobs. It can be done and people do it.

    This doesn’t change Wayne Root’s message. The government needs to leave small businesses alone and get it’s fascist-socialist hands off the economy. It’s the pursuit of the higher income that the poor guy can eventually earn that drives him to invest while poor. If the government “soaks the rich” then there is little incentive to go through all the work and pain it takes to get rich only to have it taxed away.

  39. JT

    Have we come down to thought experiments like that one in order to show that some person living in poverty is a job-creating benefactor?

    I don’t want to give a “tutorial” about why that scenario isn’t economically feasible in reality. I’ll just say: You show me a real person who’s earning $7.25 an hour, sleeping in a Chevelle, eating McDonalds everyday, and has zero other personal expenses who’s also investing money in business capital and hiring laborers, and then we’ll talk, okay?

  40. Wars Cost Money ... TMS

    Be Rational: “The government needs to leave small businesses alone and get it’s fascist-socialist hands off the economy…. If the government “soaks the rich” then there is little incentive to go through all the work and pain it takes to get rich only to have it taxed away.”

    But somebody has to pay for all the wars and national security and foreign aid that Root supports. (At least some of the time.)

    You can’t maintain a global empire without high taxes.

  41. Michael H. Wilson

    Mr. Wayne Root comments; “I’ve never asked government for anything”. No, but Mr. Root has been on the receiving end of many of the government’s handouts.

    Wayne is a sports handicapper. I don’t gamble but from what little I know he tells people who is going to win and what the spread is. Okay so Wayne claims to have never asked the government for anything, but he needed not ask. If the government didn’t support gambling by building colleges that produce football and basketball teams, along with government built stadiums for the NBA and NFL Wayne probably wouldn’t have a job. After all ask yourself how many private schools reach the top ten.

    Then of course Mr. Root lives in Las Vegas, which would not exist if the other states had not outlawed gambling, not to mention Lake Mead which provides it with water and Hoover Dam, which provides electricity. Let’s not kick a gift horse in the mouth Wayne.

    People may object to those of us who criticize Wayne, but do they want to put up with it here or on national television?

  42. Robert Capozzi

    mhw: No, but Mr. Root has been on the receiving end of many of the government’s handouts.

    me: That “indictment” applies to virtually everyone, IMO. Are you suggesting that driving on government roads somehow makes one less a L?

    The State has become like metamorphic rock, mixed in with the private economy. Existing outside the metamorphic rock is possible, but VERY difficult.

  43. Robert Capozzi

    tk, glad we agree.

    Can you expand on your accusation, for it’s not obvious indicates what you say. Are you contending that patents are government-granted forms of “extortion”?

    If so, that too seems like a stretch as well. IP is a contrivance, but I’d say all property is. There is no “property” in a state of nature, near as I can tell.

  44. Michael H. Wilson

    Yes it was a stretch and done so with a purpose. What is Wayne going to do when someone in the press makes a similar comment?

    Wayne says: “I’ve never asked the government for anything”.

    NPR guy: “But the truth is you wouldn’t be where you are without the government. Isn’t that correct Wayne?”

    Capozzi you might want to read my last paragraph.

  45. Aaron Starr

    @45

    Then of course Mr. Root lives in Las Vegas, which would not exist if the other states had not outlawed gambling, not to mention Lake Mead which provides it with water and Hoover Dam, which provides electricity.

    Sure, and let’s also now assert that anyone who has ever lived in any of the fourteen states that were part of the Louisiana Purchase is a recipient of a government subsidy.

  46. Robert Capozzi

    mhw45: People may object to those of us who criticize Wayne, but do they want to put up with it here or on national television?

    me: Putting up with disagreements seems wise to me. What’s the alternative, a Ministry of Truth? 😉

    I can “put up with” the opinions that Root has that I disagree with, but sometimes/often I voice my alternative opinion to his if I feel so moved. He’s doing the best he can, as am I, as are you!

    Getting agitated or angry when I disagree with Root doesn’t work for me. It seems unlikely but possible that it DOES work for you. If it does, I’d like to hear how it does.

  47. Robert Capozzi

    as51, why stop at the LA Purchase states? The original 13 were established by government force, too!

  48. Michael H. Wilson

    I am not angry at what Root says and never have been. I do wish he would say a few things differently.

    It might be useful to read what is said on here sometimes Aaron and Robert and understand that it is meant as constructive criticism. Would you rather read it here or hear it on CNN?

  49. MMP James Ogle [Free Parliamentary]

    The problem with W.A.R. in my opinion, is he doesn’t appear to be a team player.

    To me, *100* consecutively ranked units, with plenty of consecutively ranked units as back-ups, elected and making decisions, is about 100 times better than *one* person bringing all the attention to themselves and claiming they “have the answers”.

    The old system of putting everyone else down to make yourself look good, like the one MP Aaron Starr [Libertarian] and W.A.R. is promoting, will get you maybe a few percentage points on the first Tuesday of November in 2012 at the most.

    The Green/Libertarian/Boston Tea/Catholic Trotskist/etc./etc./etc./system is by far smarter than the Starr/Root way, the; “I want it all, and all just for the one I say and me, and who I say it is, system”.

    You guys *want* to stall and bide your time…and you’ve got your little bottle neck that may lead to the Root nomination, but look where your tactics of the past (slander) have ever taken you. Remember the Paul/Barr communication problem? Well this is the TOOL to FIX that.

    Third parties and independents need to work together, and the All Party System provides the tool.

    As long as you keep people (Libertarian Party presidential delegates) ignorant about The All Party system, there won’t be any education of the general public about it.

    And there won’t be any news breaking coalition either. Because all the other parties have the same problem. But the voting MPs solve that problem. We may be small, but it’s not like YOU’RE lifting a finger to fix the problem.

    You could do something to change things, regarding the 2500 “soldiers” who are going to perish today. But since you’re not team players, “today” could last for centuries.

    Not just you either, but every person who is aware of what I’m writing about. If you wait much longer, and I mean much more than a few weeks into January…you’ll keep the inertia on track, and the 2012 elections as plurality and single winner elections will pretty much grind our team up.

  50. Robert Capozzi

    mhw, yes, my practice is to offer constructive criticism. That may well have been your intent @ 45, but I can’t say I see it that way, since your point was SUCH a stretch.

    I’d say the resolutions to oust Root were not constructive criticism, either.

    When things get personal and there gauntlet is thrown down, those are not constructive. When the attacks on Root are not quite personal but rather off-the-mark like IMO yours was @45, I don’t find them constructive, either.

    We’ve both offered constructive criticism of Root’s words. My preference is to see more of that, and fewer attacks. The occasional praise when he strikes a note that we align with would also be a welcome change. I probably don’t do enough of this.

  51. Thomas L. Knapp

    Bob,

    You write:

    “Are you contending that patents are government-granted forms of ‘extortion’?”

    Yes in general, and especially yes in the case of frivolous patents like Root’s which are used for no purpose accept leveraging the threat of litigation into “cheaper to pay than to fight” licensing schemes.

  52. Robert Capozzi

    tk, you know, there are some business practices I can do without, too. Cybersquatting, bogus patent shakedowns, MLMs, come to mind.

    I’ve tabled the issue of patents and copywrites for another day. For now, I’m OK with them, and their enforcement. If the State ever gets rolled back to, say, 10% of GDP, it might be worth another look for me.

    The spontaneous order can be a messy, evolutionary process.

  53. Entrepreneur

    JT,

    Have we come down to thought experiments like that one in order to show that some person living in poverty is a job-creating benefactor?

    I don’t want to give a “tutorial” about why that scenario isn’t economically feasible in reality. I’ll just say: You show me a real person who’s earning $7.25 an hour, sleeping in a Chevelle, eating McDonalds everyday, and has zero other personal expenses who’s also investing money in business capital and hiring laborers, and then we’ll talk, okay?

    No living in Chevelles, but I have started a number of businesses that created jobs while living in trailers, low rent one bedroom and studio apartments, hostels, and run down weekly rate motel rooms (sometimes shared). Even a few while couch surfing with friends. I did not have significant savings at those times.

    The money the businesses earned went to salaries and advertising.

  54. Entrepreneur

    If you have money to invest into “hiring additional people, advertising, and other things related to the business,” then YOU’RE NOT POOR. It doesn’t matter if you choose to live modestly or not. You certainly may BECOME poor after the fact. But when you invest in those things and create jobs after you’ve earned the money, YOU’RE NOT. I don’t know how more obvious this can be, but it’s a good example for Capozzi to see what I meant in my last post.

    Let’s take a concrete example. In 1995 I went around door to door to businesses in my town to see who wanted to pay for a website. After I got enough clients, I hired several college students to help make websites. The money we made went to hiring them, paying them, paying for fliers, later to paying for newspaper ads. We did not have an office, everyone worked from home and used their own computer equipment and/or the university’s. I lived in a $300 a month studio apartment.

    The business created jobs, although it never made me wealthy. During the three years the business was operational, it netted me between $10,000 and $25,000 in profits per year. There are lots of examples of this.

  55. Gains

    Would someone please quantify poor for me?

    Then quantify business.

    The argument seems to have devolved into whether or not someone is poor by definition, if they are in any way productive.

    Is someone starving in refugee camp outside of Somalia poor? Is a boy in the camp who removes an old persons trash in exchange for some of their ration poor? What about the tough guy in that camp that exacts some rations by selling protection? The gang leader who taxes a bunch of people for protection of a different type? The guard standing over them all who can barely feed his family, but is himself well fed? His officer who can feed his family but will never do anything but repeat orders down a chain in one of the most resource deprived times in a place?

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