Readers at IPR will remember that Chuck Baldwin recently moved from Florida to Montana. Now, the 2008 Constitution Party candidate for President has made his first public appearance. From the Daily Inter Lake:
A standing-room-only crowd came to hear former Constitution Party presidential candidate Chuck Baldwin speak Tuesday night.
The Outlaw Inn event, sponsored by the Flathead Liberty Bell group, was the first public speech Baldwin has made since moving to the Flathead Valley from Pensacola, Fla., late last year.
Baldwin, 58, told attendees why he believes Montana is “the tip of the spear” when it comes to fighting for constitutionally protected freedoms.
“The people here have a hunger and thirst for freedom unlike anywhere else in the United States,” he said.
Baldwin noted that he plans to start a new congregation called Liberty Fellowship. The entire article is worth a read, but one detail may be interesting to political junkies.
Several from the audience asked Baldwin if he would run for governor. “I have to give that serious consideration,” he said. “I’m not a wealthy man. I do not have any funds to throw into the fray.
Ironically, Baldwin was not on the ballot in Montana for President; instead, Ron Paul was nominated for that position by the Constitution Party affiliate.
NF, I believe in most of the states in the northeast, he was listed under the ‘George Wallace Party’. He was also listed under the ‘Courage Party’ in New York, and he was the candidate of the Kansas Conservative Party- which was already in existence at the time.
Thanks!
Just to satisfy my need for historical accuracy… George Wallace was on the 1968 Montana ballot under the banner of the American Party along with 16 other states. He was listed as American Independent in only 12 states. He used various names including independent in the remainder including Democratic in Alabama (instead of Humphrey he was listed as the Democratic nominee). Whew! I feel better!
If you would read Va-yikra/Leviticus 11 & D’Varim/Deuteronomy 14, you would know
that eating lobster and bacon is an abomination.
= Exactly! Don’t you know an insult when you read one?!
BTW, you’ll have to earn my respect in order for me to stop using the word ‘fuck’ with you.
Sarah Palin stated that her husband was not a
Republican. He is independent and a former elector of the Alaska Independence Party (AIP).
http://www.ballot-access.org/2009/07/01/sarah-palin-told-the-mccain-campaign-that-todd-palins-alaskan-independence-party-membership-was-an-accident/
What makes you think he’s still in the AKIP?
That is the same party that Alaska Governor
Walter Hickel joined when he became a recovering Republican. Hickel is a former
Secrtary of the US Department of the Interior.
= YOU IDIOT! HE WENT BACK TO BEING A REPUBLICAN IN 1994!
P.S. Join the AIP and Tea Party
= How about you let Jim King and the others have full participation and voting rights at your party meetings first?
To: Cody Quirk
Reply to post # 44.
If you would read Va-yikra/Leviticus 11 & D’Varim/Deuteronomy 14, you would know
that eating lobster and bacon is an abomination.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
CODY QUIRK
First stop with the four letter word. It should not be used at all.
The last information I have is the keynote speech that the Hon. Sarah Palin gave at the National
Tea Party Convention, Nashville, Tennessee.
Sarah Palin stated that her husband was not a
Republican. He is independent and a former elector of the Alaska Independence Party (AIP).
That is the same party that Alaska Governor
Walter Hickel joined when he became a recovering Republican. Hickel is a former
Secrtary of the US Department of the Interior.
I have been a guest at Hickel’s hotel (Captain Cook) in Anchorage, AK many time and talked with him there.
You can see & hear Sarah Palin speech that states
her husband is not a Republican. Cody please stop with the disinformation. Todd M. Palin is an
independent voter.
http:/www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7gVp3dPbI
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
P.S. Join the AIP and Tea Party
I get your point. However, Dr. Baldwin took part in the lock out of Michael Peroutka after the meeting in Tampa, viz., his 2004 running mate.
= Thank you Chuck! F**k Peroutka!
I do not hate Revered Baldwin, but the more I discover, the less I like.
= Just like the more we discover your past at the various nursing homes, the less serious we take you, LOL!
The California AIP does not want any part of Dr.
Baldwin. That was my first point. I am trying to
jump state the 2012 Presidential Primary Ballot
= Funny, I remember MANY other AIP’ers that wanted him, which your associates excluded at your meetings and usurped from their positions.
Started the process to get Todd M. Palin on the
California Primary Ballot. Next plan is to get
Michael Alan Weiner of the same primary ballot.
= Todd M. Palin is a Republican, which only further ads to the evidence that you and your associates are simply GOP dupes.
So how does it feel to be a zoine, Mark? I bet you’re a big fan of eating bacon and lobster.
I do not hate Revered Baldwin, but the more I discover, the less I like. Same process I went through with national CP in the late 1990s.
Paulie,
I get your point. However, Dr. Baldwin took part in the lock out of Michael Peroutka after the meeting in Tampa, viz., his 2004 running mate.
The California AIP does not want any part of Dr.
Baldwin. That was my first point. I am trying to
jump state the 2012 Presidential Primary Ballot
Started the process to get Todd M. Palin on the
California Primary Ballot. Next plan is to get
Michael Alan Weiner of the same primary ballot.
Baldwin, will have to go through his own process
if he want to be on the ballot of the AIP or get
Dr. Grundmann to find 95 thousand additional
electors some were. Because the current 163 elector the Constitution Party has is way to short.
The American Independent Party has 413,032 electors to the California Constiution Partyt of 163.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, American Independent Party
As interesting as this tangent may be, the bottom line that I was originally trying to communicate is that Montana is not California, there is no AIP on the ballot in Montana and has not been in many years, so what all happened in California in 2008 or will happen there in 2012 is not necessarily the most important thing for folks in Montana.
And although some of them may have some interest in what parties they had on the ballot in their state back in 1968, or who ran for local office in 1992, I imagine more of them are probably concerned with the issues of the here and now as they impact their state and local communities and the nation and world.
Mark Seidenberg- If what you say is true about the 1968 name of the party listed on the Montana ballot how to you account for the listing of “Soc. Workers” and “New Reform” instead of just single line abbreviations? I am not trying to participate in a flame war I am just searching for historical accuracy. Thank you.
Paulie,
That posting on #36 is not a ballot. It is a spreed sheet.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg
Paulie & Cody,
I have seen that before. It gave the Democratic Party as Dems. and the Republican Party as Reps.
The name of the party was the American Independent Party in 1968. The American Party
did not come around until 1969. There was no room on that spread sheet to give complete names.
The Willliam Shearer papers are not on line they
are at the University of California, Davis Library.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg
Mark,
New Federalist clarified that already with the Montana SoS- so there you go; you’re wrong.
And you didn’t even include a link to Bill’s papers.
http://www.archive.org/stream/officialmontanag1968montrich#page/n3/mode/2up
Has a scan of the 1968 Montana ballot. It says American Party.
@33 Yes, I know who Wallace was. My office windows in Tuscaloosa used to look out on where the stand in the schoolhouse door took place. I’ve driven past the house where he grew up just because I happened to be in the area. I even know about John Schmitz, Thomas J. Anderson, Lester Maddox, Rufus Shackleford, Curtis LeMay, John Rarick, etc.
Some things I don’t know: whether the party label in Montana in 1968 was American Party or American Independent Party. Apparently we have different sources making different claims about this. Also, what office was Robert W. May on the ballot for?
Check the Montana Secretary of State website. The party was on the ballot in Montana in 1968 under the name American not American Independent. As I suspected Dave Leip is correct.
Cody,
Who’s history do you believe that of David Leip on his internet website or that of William Shearer in his papers at the University of California, Davis?
Paulie,
Robert W. May was on the Montana ballot.
The 1968 ticket on Montana was George C. Wallace (for President) and S. Martin Griffin
(for Vice President). Since, you told me you have
also know Auburn well, I do not have to tell you
about Wallace. S. Martin Griffin, Sr. was the
former Governor of Georgia.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
Funny- according to David Leip, Wallace was listed under the American Party label on the Montana ballot in the 1968 Pres. election.
Was he on the ballot for an office?
Or do you mean you had one registered voter in the whole state?
Paulie
As an elector.
Mark Seidenberg
My records show that Robert May was still active in 1992 in Kalispell, MT
In what capacity?
Paulie,
Your source is off. The Montana Party did not use
the American Party until 1969.
MARK SEIDENBERG
My records show that Robert May was still active in 1992 in Kalispell, MT
I believe Dave Leip is just about as fastidious as Richard Winger when it comes to getting facts straight. I think you can trust the site’s information.
Gritz was on in ’92, but as an independent, according to this source.
Anderson-Shackleford was on as Americanist in 1976.
Schmitz was on as American Party in 1972.
Wallace was listed as American Party in 1968.
So, if this source is accurate, unless we are talking about some local candidates perhaps? – the answer would be that party label has never appeared on the Montana ballot.
Paulie, there was no AIP in Montana in 1992. The only right-wing third party candidate on the ballot then was Bo Gritz, as a independent.
Seidenberg is unreliable on political history.
I have not been a Republican since, early 2004.
I am a recovering Republican. I have been on
the National Committee of the American Independent Party since 2004.
= Wow, that recently? I have NEVER been a Republican and have been registered AIP since 2003. I guess you have way more recovering to do- in fact, I don’t think you are recovering at all.
P.S. Thank you, Ed Noonan for all the work you
did in the 2008 Presidential election.
= Of course a Republican like you would thank him. But Obama won California and the Democrats still won again last November- with or without the AIP.
Cody the last time I checked the Constitution Party in California under the leadership of Dr.
Don Grundmann stood at 163 electors. Do not waste your time with Baldwin or Grundmann,
do something productive.
= I should say the same about the California GOP and Alan Keyes, who got way less votes then Baldwin did.
BTW. we actually grow the Party up here while you’re trying to exclude others from participation in the AIP.
Do you believe Baldwin will try a write-in campaign in 2012 for President and will not
seek the nomination of the American Independent Party?
= Do you think Keyes will run again in 2012 and get another 48,000 votes nation-wide? Hahaha!
http://www.uselectionatlas.org/
This should tell you everything about the last time the AIP appeared on the ballot in Montana.
Really? I’m surprised if it was that late. Got more about that?
Paulie,
I believe the year was 1992.
Mark Seidenberg
Cody Quirk,
I have not been a Republican since, early 2004.
I am a recovering Republican. I have been on
the National Committee of the American Independent Party since 2004.
P.S. Thank you, Ed Noonan for all the work you
did in the 2008 Presidential election.
Cody the last time I checked the Constitution Party in California under the leadership of Dr.
Don Grundmann stood at 163 electors. Do not waste your time with Baldwin or Grundmann,
do something productive.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
Do you believe Baldwin will try a write-in campaign in 2012 for President and will not
seek the nomination of the American Independent Party?
He did not have access in California in 2008,
because the American Independent Party selected the ticket of Dr. Alan Keyes for President and Dr. Wiley Drake, Sr. for Vice
President after the end of affliation with the
Constitution on June 27, 2008.
= Yeah, we can thank Ed Noonan for that. But it doesn’t matter because Baldwin got WAY more votes then Keyes did in the election and still got over 3,000 write-in votes in CA.
What do you think of a “PALIN FOR PRESIDENT” on the California Presidential
Preference Ballot of the AIP in 2012, viz., Todd Palin. According to Sarah Palin at her speech of
February 6, 2010, her husband Todd is not a
registered Republican but is Independent. At
my meeting with Todd Palin in Anchorage, AK
I showed him the platform of the American Independent Party and told me he agreed with it.
Mr. Parnell (now Governor of Alaska) was the third person at that meeting, but was speechless.
Todd Palin has formerly been registered in the
Alaska Independence Party.
= Spoken like the true Republican that you are. This is why the IAP wouldn’t touch such political whores like you with a 60 foot poll.
So Mark, how does it feel to be a zoine?
It was a question, not a claim. What year did it actually last have a presence there?
Paulie,
Let’s see what happens after the events of June 25-26, 2011.
Next what is your source that the AIP ended in
Montana in 1972?
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
Mr. Seidenberg, why do you think everything revolves around California and the AIP?
This was a meeting in Montana. There is no AIP in Montana that I know of, nor has there been one since, what, 1972?
In fact, numerous people in Montana and many other states could not care less what goes on in California.
I’ve even heard some people openly wishing that California would go ahead and fall in the ocean, although personally I think that’s way too harsh.
TO: West Valley:
It will not be Baldwin that corrects the problem.
He did not have access in California in 2008,
because the American Independent Party selected the ticket of Dr. Alan Keyes for President and Dr. Wiley Drake, Sr. for Vice
President after the end of affliation with the
Constitution on June 27, 2008.
After the Court hearing in Fairfield, CA on March 11, 2011, Balwin will have little chance
of geting on the California ballot either in 2012.
What do you think of a “PALIN FOR PRESIDENT” on the California Presidential
Preference Ballot of the AIP in 2012, viz., Todd Palin. According to Sarah Palin at her speech of
February 6, 2010, her husband Todd is not a
registered Republican but is Independent. At
my meeting with Todd Palin in Anchorage, AK
I showed him the platform of the American Independent Party and told me he agreed with it.
Mr. Parnell (now Governor of Alaska) was the third person at that meeting, but was speechless.
Todd Palin has formerly been registered in the
Alaska Independence Party.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg
Nope, and when I try to correct grammar I intend on using correct grammar. When I correct some one’s spelling I try to use correct spelling, and not call a ‘Moron’ a ‘Maroon’. [Musta been Coty Bank’s Romanian spell checker that his patron, Aunt Nadine, got at the Carson City swap meet. ]
Is “Francis” another name of Mark Seidenberg?
That, or another personality of Don Lake- one that’s just as mentally incompetent.
Mister Quirk, what a ‘maroon’ ……….
= Wrap that toilet paper tighter, Don!
Is “Francis” another name of Mark Seidenberg?
I am a socialist who disagrees with Chuck Baldwin on economics and a few social issues, but most of his social and foreign policy message is great. Go Chuck!
ronbo I wish you Paster Baldwin best wishes in “purgeville”
I agree with Chuck Baldwin: We need a Second Revolution to purge America of its stupid, corrupt, degenerate and socialist ruling class.
Three cheers for Chuck Baldwin – the new Sam Adams.
Mister Quirk, what a ‘maroon’ ……….
No francis, but he will be with your mom.
Will pastor Baldwin being setting up his “snake oil stand with autographed pictures of himself going for $20.00? “God told me to ask.”
Thanks for giving us an idea of the event’s size. “Packed House” doesn’t mean much if it is a phone booth.
I was at the event. There was between 450 and 500 people in attendance. The best part of his message was that we need to straighten this mess out for posterity and our children………
“Chuck Baldwin ‘Rallies Packed House’ In Montana”
I wonder just how big the ‘house’ was? There is no mention in the article about how many people attended.