Open Thread for July 2011

Discuss almost whatever you want in the comments here, other than stuff that would get you and/or IPR in legal trouble, or stuff that has already been quarantined in “special” threads.

This can include news items IPR should be covering, as well as just about anything else.

Personal update: I still don’t have enough time to participate here regularly, unfortunately. 415-690-6352 if you need to get a hold of me (Paulie), or and/or comments on this thread (both if possible) for news tips to IPR. I’ll read all comments addressed to me by name… unless you keep posting comments that don’t warrant my attention with my name in them, in which case I will no longer read comments from the person(s) that do(es) so. Unfortunately, I will not be able to participate in discussions/debates, here or anywhere else, for the foreseeable future. I’ll keep forwarding anything I receive that I think belongs on IPR to other IPR writers, but will not be posting articles myself, with rare exceptions like this one.

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130 thoughts on “Open Thread for July 2011

  1. Steven R Linnabary

    “With only three months before the National Convention for Socialist Party USA, U.S. Presidential Candidate Stewart Alexander announced today that he will no longer seek the Green Party’s Nomination for U.S. President; instead, Alexander will only seek the presidential nominations for the Socialist Party USA, and the Peace and Freedom Party-California. “

  2. NewFederalist

    I wonder why he decided that? I would think he could go for the nomination of the Progressive Party in Vermont and any other left of center parties he could get.

  3. Don Lake, FYI, not necessarily a unilateral endorsement

    Alexander, Los Angeles based. May be he is concentrating on the west end of the continent ?????????

    Canada, the home of anti American British Loyalists! Hey, they are smart enuf to use metric and to have one balanced budget after an other. And no housing or banking crisis.

    Not perfect, but also not the sinking, floundering, dumb assed USS America.

  4. Steven R Linnabary

    From a news release from Dennis Spisak, Green Party of Ohio:

    Green Party of Ohio Decries State Legislature’s “Attack on Democracy.” Will file lawsuit.

    Dateline: Columbus, Ohio

    This past week, according to the Green Party of Ohio, the State Senate passed a revision of Ohio’s election law that is nothing less than an attack on Democracy itself.
    “It’s highly ironic that on the Fourth of July, when we are supposed to be celebrating our political freedoms, the Legislature has passed a law that effectively eliminates our ability to peacefully assemble as a political party,” said Dennis Spisak. Spisak was the Green’s gubernatorial candidate in 2010. He established the Party’s current legal standing by receiving more than 50,000 votes.

    HB 194 requires Parties to receive at least 5% of the vote for either Governor or President in order to maintain their status as a political party. This means that the Greens would have to receive approximately 200,000 votes. However, since they may have lost their status before the election in 2012, they would have to do so without the ability to raise money, name candidates, hold primaries, or establish membership.

    “We will definitely file a new lawsuit because the new petition deadline is in early February, and all reported decisions on the subject of petition deadlines for minor parties agree that a petition deadline that early is unconstitutional,” said Green Party attorney Bob Fitrakis. It was Fitrakis’s lawsuit which originally established that a Party should only have to show a “modicum of support” to maintain ballot status. Jennifer Brunner, the previous Secretary of State, interpreted that to mean 1% of the vote for Governor or President. “This Bill takes us right back to the 5% requirement that was already found to be unconstitutional,” pointed out Fitrakis. He plans to work with other minor parties to reverse these measures.

    “Whether the State chooses to outlaw us or not, we will continue to fight for what’s right.” added Anita Rios, Co-Chair of the Green Party of Ohio. “Our fights to end nuclear power, protect workers’ rights, and help minorities and women are too important to let the Republicans and Democrats stop us, just because they are afraid of a little competition. That’s why Sean Nestor and I have chosen to run for Toledo City Council in 2011, while we still have Party status.

    Having passed both the House and Senate, the two versions will now be reconciled. Then, if Governor Kasich signs it, it will become law. The bill also eliminates the Libertarian, Socialist, and Constitution parties.

  5. Deran

    I think Alexander and the SP are fairly certain the national GP will be in shambles by 2012, and that a more radical, socialist program can have appeal to voters in the wake of the collapse of the moderating progressive policies over capital. I think the SP sees 2012 as a chance for an actual Left agenda to get some real attention, so why bunk with a porgressivist party when they can run flat out socialist. That’s just what I think based on things I’ve read and chitchat at parties with SP members I know here in Seattle.

  6. Steven R Linnabary

    email from Jim Burns:

    Dear Steve,
    Happy Day 210 words
    The 4th of July is our day.
    Happy day.
    235 years ago on July 4, 1776, the Continental
    Congress passed The Declaration of Independence,
    which was the first true human Revolution that caused
    a giant step forward for human progress. The Revolution
    was not without flaws and yet, the first 111 words of the
    second paragraph of the Declaration* establish that people
    should have among other things: equality of rights under
    the law, the rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness,
    government should protect these rights and government receives
    their just power from the consent of the governed.

    However, another step is needed: We need to add Libertarianism.
    Libertarians believe that people should be allowed to live as they
    choose so long as they do not initiate force, threaten to initiate
    force or engage in fraud against their fellow human beings.
    When we establish and implement libertarianism to our social
    institutions in general and the institutions of government in
    particular, we will achieve the results (which I call Revolution 2)
    that will bring Peace, Prosperity and Progress on a scale as great
    as or even greater than the Revolution of 1776. The vehicle that
    can accomplish Revolution 2 is the Libertarian Party.

    This is our day.

    Happy day.

    Jim Burns!/profile.php?id=100000094450639

  7. Don Lake, FYI, not necessarily a unilateral endorsement

    Sent: 7/4/2011 6:23:08 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time
    Subj: Who is Bruce Westcott

    Bruce Westcott is a former entertainment casino executive and small business owner.

    [He] had no compunction in exercising his 2nd Amendment right in using a Mossberg .20 GA shotgun to defend himself against late night attackers in front of his home in Las Vegas.

    Bruce Westcott ran as a Republican political candidate in the 1998 and 2002 Nevada gubernatorial primaries.

    (Do the research: Look up his visionary “Platform of Sensible Ideas and Solutions”.)

    Bruce Westcott is the former national chairman of the Reform Party USA, the party of presidential candidates, Ross Perot, Pat Buchanan and Ralph Nader, and is currently the chairman of the Reform Party of Nevada.

    Bruce Westcott has declared himself as an independent candidate for President of the United States.

    If it is a potentially viable independent candidate for POTUS that you are looking for, you could very well be interested in what he has to say.

    Pacific Daylight Time
    Subject: Who is Bruce Westcott

  8. Don Lake, FYI, not necessarily a unilateral endorsement


    July 04, 2011: Reading’s 1940s news

    Few people remember when Reading, Kansas, last made the news.

    In 1942, practice bombing runs regularly hit a target outside of Reading.

    We were accustomed to hearing the sounds of explosions in the daytime.

    One evening when Grandma and Grandpa Newman had a house full of cousins, aunts and uncles as usual, we were all sleeping in the two-story house.

    A plane screamed overhead, and a loud boom sounded as a bomb exploded in the pasture.

    On the other end of the house one of my uncles shouted.

    We ran outside looking up to see the planes flying and dropping more bombs.

    The next morning, everyone in town was discussing what had happened and going from farm to farm to inspect the holes.

    They were about four feet in diameter and the same deep.

    No one was hurt, so the excitement died fairly quickly.

    But the thought of the bombing scared us more than we could believe.

    Of course it doesn’t compare to the tornado of 2011. The town as I knew it is gone.

    Ginnie Geier, Independence [Kansas]

    Read more:

  9. Don Lake, FYI, not necessarily a unilateral endorsement


    [a] British

    [b] not a puppet of NASA

    [c] critical of English government

    [d] fairly pro ESA

    The software identifies both the speaker and the other parties they refer to and whether the words used are positive or negative, to determine their attitudes to others involved in the dispute.

    It then identifies the two key opponents in a debate and categorises the other parties according to their relationship with the main two.

    For example, an analysis of articles about the 2010 Cheonan sinking incident, in which a South Korean naval ship was allegedly sunk by a North Korean submarine, places the North and South Korean governments as the key opponents, with other nations’ governments mostly commenting on these two.

    Park and team map out these relationships with an algorithm similar to Google’s PageRank, which ranks the importance of websites based on incoming and outgoing links.

    Instead of looking at links, however, the software looks at the level of criticism one particular participant is both receiving and dishing out.

    The key opponents are those with the highest levels of criticism flowing in both directions.

  10. Don Lake, FYI, not necessarily a unilateral endorsement


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  11. Don Lake, FYI, not necessarily a unilateral endorsement

    Gallup: Slight uptick in trust in newspapers, TV
    [AP – Tue, Jul 5, 2011]

    * WASHINGTON (AP) — Public confidence in newspaper and television news has picked up slightly in recent years but still lags behind levels of trust from two decades ago, a Gallup poll shows.

    But those under 30 delivered a split verdict: confidence in television news rose 10 percentage points for that age group, while trust in newspapers declined 10 points in the same group.

    Overall, Gallup reported, barely a fourth of Americans say they have much confidence in newspaper and TV news.

    Confidence in newspaper and TV news slid during the 1990s and hit bottom in 2007.

    Improvements in recent years, although small, could mark the beginning of a reversal in the trend,

  12. Rev. Alberto Medvedev

    July 5th, 2011


    Rev Alberto Medvedev
    Church of Xenu [United]
    (973) 304-0808

    Rev Alberto Medvedev Demands the Return of the Natural Law Party!

    (Asbury Park, NJ, 07/05/11) The Rev Alberto Medvedev officially called upon the American people to reform the defunct Natural Law Party!

    “I am sure that we can win this time,” said Rev Alberto Medvedev. “The Natural Law Party’s members were a top-notch bunch of folks!”

    Medvedev believes that he is the natural successor to John Hagelin, the party’s presidential candidate during the 1992, 1996, and 2000 presidential elections. Medvedev, who is also a spiritual guru, believes that his message will resonate deeply with the American people.

    “I have no desire to be president,” Reverend Medvedev told an almost entirely empty press conference in the basement of his church in Asbury Park. “But I do desire to make America fabulous again–that will require a powerful third party. We need to get this ball rolling. Organizers in all fifty states are necessary, but together, we can accomplish the impossible.”

    During the conference Medvedev also reiterated that he hates disco music, which he dismissed as being “trashy dancy!”

    During the 1970s Medvedev was among the most prominent members of the US Labor Party. He hopes to use his fame and prestige as a launching point for the Natural Law Party.

    “We can do it,” he told single reporter who attended the press conference. “We are a top-notch bunch of folks!”

  13. George Phillies

    Libertarian Party members who read this blog will perhaps be bemused to learn that the LNC elected in 2010 has taken on itself choosing the site (and by implication date) of the 2016 Presidential nominating convention.

  14. George Phillies

    @15 They are at the front end of the process, and are talking of hiring a consulting firm — which gets paid by the winning hotel — to do various things.

  15. George Phillies

    @15 They are at the front end of the process, and are talking of hiring a consulting firm — which gets paid by the winning hotel — to do various things. A date and place are not yet identified.

  16. Concerned Chuck and Hetro Harry

    Thank you, George for breeding more decent and faction rivalry in the LP. Your valuable work is valued by Christians everywhere! You might not be a believer but the work you’re doing is bring the Kingdom of God (Christian) closer to the earth!

  17. George Phillies

    @20 Are you associated with the American Monarchist Imperialists, the people who want to replace ‘America the Beautiful’ with ‘Hoch Hapsburg!’?

  18. Communist Party USA Endorses Barack Obama

    Communist Party USA Endorses Barack Obama and Democrats For 2012 Election

    Obama just received a critical endorsement, The Communist Party USA. The Communist Party USA leader, Sam Webb, explains why he will continue to support Obama and Democrats in 2012. The Communist Party USA has consistently supported and infiltrated the Democratic Party.

    Also note, Sam Webb, the leader of the party, called Obama a friend back in 2008.

    Sam Webb Via People’s World:

    It is obvious that there is a growing feeling of frustration and even anger among supporters of the Democratic Party with its performance over the past two years.

    AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka, speaking for the labor movement, strongly expressed this unhappiness in some recent speeches.

    I am disappointed too with some aspects of the Obama administration’s domestic and foreign policy.

    But I don’t forget that this administration governs in a very hostile political environment in which the right is laboring overtime to wreck its initiatives at every step of the way.

    In addition, there are the structural pressures of governing in a capitalist economy and state.

    Then there are conservative pressures coming from some congressional Democrats and members of the administration.

    Everything can’t be explained away by the objective context, however. The president and his administration can be faulted for a number of policy decisions.

    But the main question from a strategic point of view is this: Does it make any difference, from the standpoint of the class and democratic struggles, which party gains political ascendency?

    Some – though not the labor movement nor other mass organizations of the American people – say no, it doesn’t.

    Some even go a step further and say a Democratic victory creates popular illusions, which in turn weaken the people’s struggles. And the only way out of this vise is to form a third party now.

    Communists don’t agree with either one of these views. In our view, the differences between the two parties of capitalism are of consequence to class and democratic struggles.

    Neither party is anti-capitalist, but they aren’t identical either. Differences exist at the levels of policy and social composition. And despite the many frustrations of the past two years, the election of Barack Obama was historic and gave space to struggle for a people’s agenda.

    If, on the other hand, the Republicans had been victorious in 2008 the character of class and democratic struggles would have unfolded very differently. Our movement would have been on the defensive from Day One, the Democrats would be running for cover, and the Republicans would have an unfettered hand in their efforts to liquidate the welfare state, roll back the rights revolution of the 1930s and 1960s, and crush the people’s movement – labor in the first place.

    As for the wisdom of a third party, we have always advocated the formation of an independent people’s party at the core of which are the working class and labor, racially and nationally oppressed people, women, youth, immigrants, seniors, gay and straight, etc. It is essential for any deep-going social change. But its realization depends on more than our desire, more than our political-ideological attitude. Millions who have to be at the core of this party still operate under the umbrella of the Democratic Party, albeit increasingly in an independent fashion.

    Moreover, to separate ourselves at this moment from these forces would be contrary to our strategic policy of building maximum unity against right-wing extremism now and in next year’s elections.

    Now that doesn’t mean that we give up our advocacy of an independent people’s party, but we also understand that its formation is dictated by concrete political realities and strategic necessities. Nor does it mean that we hit the mute button when the Obama administration takes positions that we don’t agree with. Just as we show no hesitation in supporting, and fighting for, the administration’s progressive initiatives, we should have no compunction about taking issue with the administration when it takes positions that we don’t agree on.

    Which is what we have done.

    When someone says we are not critical of the administration what they usually mean is that our criticism isn’t as sweeping and categorical as they would like.

    We make criticisms, but we do it in a certain context and with a certain strategic objective in mind. We are keenly aware of the fact that the agenda of the far right is to bring this administration and country to its knees, with a heavy dose of racism, lies and economic sabotage, setting the stage for a full blown return to power of the most reactionary, racist, anti-labor, anti-women, homophobic and militarist grouping in U.S. politics.

    We want no part of that…

  19. Kleptocracy and You

    A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is statistics. – Josef Stalin ->
    The Commies should know they have MURDERED more innocent humans than any other Political Party !

    My right to say it. Your choice to listen. –

    “A free and competitive market allocates resources in the most efficient manner. Each person has the right to offer goods and services to others on the free market. The only proper role of government in the economic realm is to protect property rights, adjudicate disputes, and provide a legal framework in which voluntary trade is protected. All efforts by government to redistribute wealth, or to control or manage trade, are improper in a free society.” – Libertarian Party Platform, Section 2.0 –

    “The defense of the country requires that we have adequate intelligence to detect and to counter threats to domestic security. This requirement must not take priority over maintaining the civil liberties of our citizens. The Bill of Rights provides no exceptions for a time of war. Intelligence agencies that legitimately seek to preserve the security of the nation must be subject to oversight and transparency.” – Libertarian Party Platform, Section 3.1 –

    There once was a man from Nantucket,
    Who wanted to sell me a bucket,
    But he could not, because,
    There were too many laws,
    So he threw up his hands and said,
    “Vote Libertarian!” – Anonymous

    The doctrine of blind obedience and unqualified submission to any human power, whether civil or ecclesiastical, is the doctrine of despotism, and ought to have no place among Republicans and Christians. – Angelica Grimke (1805-1879), Anti-Slavery Examiner, September 1836

  20. NewFederalist

    The once was a man from Boston
    Who drove to work in an Austin
    He has room for his ass
    And a gallon of gas
    But not for his TSA groped body parts
    So he lost ’em (Vote … whatever)- Anon

  21. Rev. Alberto Medvedev

    But who will the Church of Xenu [United] endorse in 2012? That is the real question on everyone’s minds! While I can’t say who we will support, as I won’t make an official endorsement until February, I do hope Milnes is still running then….hint hint.

  22. George Phillies

    One the budget dispute:

    You are seeing a collision between people who think ‘improving current unemployment and getting the economy to do better’ is the key issue, and people who think ‘change course yesterday or we end up like Greece, except there will be no one who can afford to bail us out’.

    There is a complete disagreement on the nature of the problem, and hence on the nature of the solution.

    When the disagreement is between ‘that is a tornado on the front lawn, head for the basement’ and ‘the house is on fire, get outside’, and neither side cares about the other’s chief fear, like looking out the window or sniffing for smoke, there is little hope of progress.

    A further complication is that the older Republican leadership made a variety of promises about fiscal prudence and shrinking government that they did not keep, and the people who supported those promises elected a new bunch of Congressmen who may give the Republicans a Congressional majority but do not support the Republican leadership.

    Meanwhile, for those of you who missed it “quantitative easing” (the government buying its own debt) is functionally the same thing as printing money (indeed, Congressman Pual proposed relieving the debt problem by legislatively cancelling the bonds in the treasury) and you will note that we are certainly not having wage or price inflation, except in commodities where supply limits are colliding with two billion people entering the capitalist world.

  23. Steven R Linnabary

    @ 26…

    There you go again! It’s all about WINNING!

    Now the Nevada LP can cross endorse the republican and WIN!


  24. JT

    Phillies, where do you get your economic theories from?

    Even the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reports some recent price inflation, and not just “in commodities where supply limits are colliding with two billion people entering the capitalist world.”

  25. Michael H. Wilson

    Dr. Phillies there are some serious questions about the reliability of the government’s reports on inflation. Hell they lie about wars. What makes us think they wouldn’t lie about the rate of inflation? Personally I think it is higher than admitted.

  26. Chuck Moulton

    George Phillies wrote (@33):

    You are seeing a collision between people who think ‘improving current unemployment and getting the economy to do better’ is the key issue, and people who think ‘change course yesterday or we end up like Greece, except there will be no one who can afford to bail us out’.

    There is a complete disagreement on the nature of the problem, and hence on the nature of the solution.

    When the disagreement is between ‘that is a tornado on the front lawn, head for the basement’ and ‘the house is on fire, get outside’, and neither side cares about the other’s chief fear, like looking out the window or sniffing for smoke, there is little hope of progress.

    Very well said! I like that analogy!

  27. National Libertarian Conference

    Please look at

    which is the first part of the Buttrick speech with sound reconfigured. I would like to know if the sound now works at which point I can start doing more parts with better sound.

    Video is astonishingly computationally intensive. Getting to the youtube you see took several hours of compute time on a very modern seven-core machine. Please advise what you would like to see from the conference first. I can do about 15 or 30 minutes a day of this, because it ties up my computer for much of the time and generates an intermediate 20 Gigabyte file.

  28. Michael H. Wilson

    MIT BPP looks to be just over 3%. Gas I believe is around 20% annually.

    I think the reason we haven’t seen worse is that housing starts are about 25% of what they were a few years ago.

    Let’s see what Chuck thinks.

  29. Robert Capozzi

    gp: …and neither side cares about the other’s chief fear, like looking out the window or sniffing for smoke, there is little hope of progress.

    me: That sounds like an opportunity for a third party that sees and recognizes both concerns, and addresses them in different — but not TOO different — ways than the Rs and Ds.

  30. George Phillies

    @42 I believe that’s +3% over a three-year period, but perhaps we are looking at different graphs.

    Gasoline is supply-driven, which is why it does not match everything else. It’s like computers and white goods(the things you put in your kitchen, which classically were painted white).

  31. NewFederalist

    “A candidate must also have a potential base of support. Possibly enough voters to win.

    That would be me.”

    Your website must be doing better, Bob.

  32. Steven Wilson


    You must mean his mindsite. Yes, his mania is doing wonders for his mathematics. It is also helping with his word definitions and word criteria.

    Keyboard viable=President Viable

  33. Michael H. Wilson

    Here is a good source that I like to use

    And then there is old reliable, Economist John Williams

    We need to remember that the federal boys have changed the formula for figuring inflation twice since Reagan’s days and they are looking to change it again with this scam Chained Consumer Price Index. More here

    Using the last method if the price of that three bedroom apartment goes up and you move to a two bedroom apartment with your kids, you haven’t suffered. You’ve just adjusted. Soveitesky model of free markets.

  34. Steven R Linnabary

    A recent news story from Independence Day festivities:

    And a response from one of the participants:
    (and I hope he doesn’t mind me posting this)

    Chair Don Kissick mentioned at a previous meeting that he had ordered quite a few Declaration of Independence flyers from the LP, and wanted to pass them out at Lima’s Star Spangled Spectacular. Obviously this was a great opportunity to get our name out to the public, as well as provide a vital service to the public, thus, in my mind, was an act of civic duty. Don Kissick, myself, and two other volunteers met at Faurot Park.

    Immediately one of our volunteers could not participate because she had brought her dog, and for the first time since the SSS was formed, pets were not allowed in the park this year, so she was forced to leave, and we were down to three. We started trekking to where the band was playing (ironically called, “The British Invasion,” playing at our Independence Day celebration), and as soon as we got over to that area, we immediately began approaching people. Being the people person I am, I was handing out the majority of the Declarations with a Libertarian door-hanger attached to the back, which worked at well because I was wearing my Libertarian Party of Ohio t-shirt, and it was a good public image. The other volunteer was prepping them for me, and Don was the question and answer guy if anyone came up with any questions.

    I would walk into a large crowd of people and ask “Would you like a free copy of the Declaration of Independence,” and the majority of people would say yes. After I handed them their Declaration, I would say, “Have a great Independence Day!” I didn’t really mention anything about the LP as I was doing this, but it was obvious who I was with. I had several people shake my hand and thank me, and said I was doing something great. We even had a few people come up to us and ask us for a Declaration. The feedback we were getting from the public was amazing.

    I’m a smoker and I decided I wanted to go smoke a cigarette in a spot off to the side of the gathering so we could plan how to approach the more crowded areas. As we were standing there, I noticed two golf carts with representatives of the Star Spangled Spectacular heading our way, and as soon as they realized it was us, one cart turned away and the other cart went straight for Don gesturing to him that Don needed to come to him. As the cart came to a stop, immediately, Tom Offenbacher started yelling at Don and telling him that we didn’t have the right to pass out any literature, political, religious, or the Declaration, because we didn’t get permission from the committee.

    Tom Offenbacher never introduced himself, and kept saying he was part of the committee, yet we had no clue who he was, or what committee he was talking about. He started screaming at Don and saying “Hand over the box, give me the box. GIVE ME THE FUCKING BOX.” Now, we may not know every law to a T, and we weren’t aware that there were even rules by a private committee that were supposedly governing the park that day, but we did know he had zero authority to to confiscate our private property. When we said this

    He kept threatening to call the police while he was talking to Don, and peppering it with belligerent insults, such as, “Don’t think a one-legged man can’t take you down,” and “You don’t know who you’re messing with!” (To the last one, Don’s response was classic: “You’re right, I don’t have any idea who you are!”) He then tried to lean over and grab the box out of Don’s hands, but all he could get was a flyer Don was holding and violently ripped it out of Don’s hands. The insults and threats continued. I realized the situation was getting out of hand with someone who was claiming to have authority and I called the Allen County Sheriff’s Department (however I didn’t connect to anyone because of their automated system. I didn’t have time to go through it). Mr Offenbacher threatened to call the cops again, and I had enough of it, and I said, “Call the cops, you’re not getting our personal property, and you have zero rights to do so.” Finally, Tom Offenbacher radioed in to have the police come by saying, “Hey, get the police over here right now, these guys think they got rights, but they ain’t got none!”

    The cops ran over, and when they realized we were just standing there and Mr Offenbacher was the animated character, they slowed their gate to a walk because it was obvious we weren’t causing anyone any harm. When they arrived, they obviously tried to be diplomatic about the situation, and when we were explaining to the cops that he was unjustly trying to take our private property, the Sergent said, “Will you please go secure those in your vehicle.” My response was, “Can you please answer this question. Does *that man* have ANY RIGHT AT ALL to confiscate our private property.”

    The police officers finally calmed the situation down enough and told us we had to leave and we couldn’t pass out any flyers today because a private committee had set the rules. I asked the police, “So who is our fight with? His “committee” or the City of Lima.” I did not really get an answer. We conceded once we realized the police felt we had no right to be there.

    On the way back, Don, the volunteer, and I were talking and Don was so upset about Tom Offenbacher’s behavior that he wanted to file charges against him for ripping the flyers out of his hand. I called the police department, and had two officers meet us. The two officers pretty much reiterated the fact that we weren’t allowed in there because the “committee” set the rules, and the only reason they were even there was because they were told to. I said, “Oh, you’re getting security pay?” The cop responded, “No, we’re not here by choice, it’s where we were assigned to.” I again asked these cops, “Who is our fight with? Is it with the SSS, or the City of Lima.” They didn’t know the answer.

    The City of Lima partners with the SSS to put on this show. This was a city function, where not only was the public allowed, but encouraged to come. We were doing our civic duty by passing out copies of the Declaration, and our rights were trampled on. This is unacceptable, and I want to fight. We NEED to fight. We WILL win this battle, and it will be a victory not only for the Libertarian Party, but more importantly, it will be a victory for the American People and the citizens of Lima, Ohio.

    We were treated like criminals because we were exercising or right to free speech. We were doing our civic duty for the People. And we were expressing our freedom of speech in a non-threatening, non-committal way. This is an atrocity. What we endured was un-American. This needs stopped NOW.

    It wouldn’t matter if a Democrat was passing out Obama bumper stickers or if Republicans were handing out monopoly money. It wouldn’t even matter if Socialists were passing out propaganda “showing” people how great life would be if they chose to let others carry the weight for them, and the benefits of taking from the rich to give to the poor. Would I be offended if one of them gave me something? No. I would politely decline, and probably snicker as they walked away, but I would not support their removal from the event either.

    Libertarians, we need to stand up and fight for not only our rights, but the rights of ALL Americans. This attack may only affect us right now, but we need to shoulder this battle for everyone. This is a civil rights issue, and we cannot ignore this. We need to rally together, protect our rights and everyone else’s, and push back. WE NEED TO FIGHT THIS BATTLE FOR THE CITY OF LIMA, THE STATE OF OHIO, AND THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. (Yeah, cheesy line to go out on, but I’m serious.)

    To those of you who read this, I thank you.

    Together in Liberty

    Paul D Hinds | Treasurer
    Allen County Libertarian Party of Ohio

  35. JT

    Michael: “Dr. Phillies there are some serious questions about the reliability of the government’s reports on inflation. Hell they lie about wars. What makes us think they wouldn’t lie about the rate of inflation? Personally I think it is higher than admitted.”

    You’re absolutely right, Michael. So you know that when the U.S. government’s own Bureau of Labor Statistics reports an increase in the CPI, it’s even higher than what the BLS says it is. Check out It shows the measure of price inflation as it would be calculated using the same method the U.S. government used in 1980.

    Milnes: “What did you get for $35 million?
    Not much.
    Instead, send it to me.
    What will you get?”

    A loon in a trailer with $35 million?

  36. Don Lake, FYI, not necessarily a unilateral endorsement

    * 06 Jul 2011 at 4:46 PM
    * Posted in: Canada, Judge of the Day, Legal Ethics, Nude Dancing, Perverts, Pictures, Pornography, Sex Scandals,

    Bad News for Madam Justice Lori Douglas
    By David Lat [AboveTheLaw]

    Madam Justice Lori Douglas will be publicly probed.

    This week brings good news for law firms in Canada. Apparently they weathered the recession better than their U.S. counterparts.

    The news for Canadian judges, or at least one high-profile jurist, is less good.

    Madam Justice A. Lori Douglas — the Canadian judge featured in pornographic pictures showing her engaging in bondage, playing with sex toys and administering oral sex — will be subjected to a public inquiry.

    Let’s take a look at the nudie pics procedural posture and possible consequences, shall we?

    The case against Judge Douglas will now enter a new stage, explains CBC News:

    Lori Douglas, an associate chief justice with the Court of Queen’s Bench (Family Division), has been under review by a panel of five judges, ordered by the Canadian Judicial Council in January.

    The CJC announced Wednesday that following the review, it has been determined the matter may be serious enough to warrant Douglas’s removal from office.

    The council said an independent lawyer will be selected to present all evidence in a fair manner and additional details about the inquiry will be released in the coming weeks.

    This is effectively the third stage of the case against Judge Douglas. As set forth in the procedures of the Canadian Judicial Council:

    After careful consideration, the panel may close the file with an expression of concern if warranted or may recommend that the judge pursue counselling or other remedial measures.

    A panel can also conclude that the complaint may be serious enough to warrant a judge’s removal from office.

    So Judge Lori Douglas could end up getting disrobed. We’re not sure we want to see that.

    UPDATE (7/7/11): One reader makes this very fair point, in the comments: “so she has sex with her husband (and no one else), he takes some private pictures of her,

    and without her knowledge the husband posts them on the internet and tries to get some other guy to have sex with her ——— other than marrying the wrong guy, i don’t see what she did wrong.”

    Judge in sex case to face inquiry [CBC News]

  37. Milnes Is Creepy

    Milnes calls Ron Paul a “creepy old man”?


    Ron Paul is an affable, articulate gentleman.

    He is so “creepy” that hordes of young people across the political spectrum cheered Paul throughout his many public appearances.

    By contrast, Milnes is an unemployed mental patient living in a decrepit trailer.

    Who is the more “creepy”?

  38. JT

    Sometimes the truth *is* harsh.

    RP seems affable to me too, even avuncular. And evidently the thousands of women whose babies he’s delivered didn’t think he was creepy. I don’t really think Milnes does either–a person who’s envious of someone else may try to cut the other person down like that. RP is his obsession, and he may secretly like it.

  39. Kleptocracy and You

    @50 The Police State is here friends. Time to RESIST is NOW !!!

    @49 etc. – Don’t ever doubt the books are cooked and the overpaid lackeys in the MSM just read the propaganda the teleprompters say !!!

    53 & 55 There is a home and hope for our IPR Hero. He can turn his campaign over to Screaming Lord Sutch, their Party Nomination awaits !!!

    “We offer Mr. Milnes a true home in the Monster Raving LOONEY Party. ”
    ( United States National Official Monster Raving Loony Party: )
    Chief Adviser “Screaming Lord Sutch” stated, “We are ALWAYS in it to WIN it” !

    ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

    Statement of Principles – We, the members of the Libertarian Party, challenge the cult of the omnipotent state and defend the rights of the individual.

    We hold that all individuals have the right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives, and have the right to live in whatever manner they choose, so long as they do not forcibly interfere with the equal right of others to live in whatever manner they choose.

    Governments throughout history have regularly operated on the opposite principle, that the State has the right to dispose of the lives of individuals and the fruits of their labor. Even within the United States, all political parties other than our own grant to government the right to regulate the lives of individuals and seize the fruits of their labor without their consent.

    We, on the contrary, deny the right of any government to do these things, and hold that where governments exist, they must not violate the rights of any individual: namely, (1) the right to life — accordingly we support the prohibition of the initiation of physical force against others; (2) the right to liberty of speech and action — accordingly we oppose all attempts by government to abridge the freedom of speech and press, as well as government censorship in any form; and (3) the right to property — accordingly we oppose all government interference with private property, such as confiscation, nationalization, and eminent domain, and support the prohibition of robbery, trespass, fraud, and misrepresentation.

    Since governments, when instituted, must not violate individual rights, we (the members of the Libertarian Party) oppose all interference by government in the areas of voluntary and contractual relations among individuals. People should not be forced to sacrifice their lives and property for the benefit of others. They should be left free by government to deal with one another as free traders; and the resultant economic system, the only one compatible with the protection of individual rights, is the free market. –

    “Real Liberals Vote Libertarian” –

    Recovering Democrat –

  40. Don Lake, FYI, not necessarily a unilateral endorsement

    Missouri senator’s role in demise of bill raises ethics questions By JASON NOBLE

    The [Kansas City] Star’s Jefferson City [via Heart Land Political Whore Rob Schaaf]

    * Company that senator co-owns faced scrutiny by state
    * Missouri senator’s role in demise of bill raises ethics questions
    * Boehner seeks smaller debt deal
    * Bill on special elections is one victim of Nixon’s vetoes
    * Three seats on Kansas Board of Regents filled
    * KC mayor names redevelopment agency board members
    * Former mayor Mark Funkhouser has left KC for job in D.C.
    * Johnson County Commission accepts abstinence part of sex education grant
    * Lawsuit challenges proposed Missouri amendment to allow photo-ID rules in elections
    * Lieutenant governor repays more hotel expenses to Missouri
    * Nixon vetoes bill to delay mandate for nursing home sprinkler systems
    * Brownback appointment to the Kansas Board of Healing Arts sparks anger
    * Hearing delayed in Planned Parenthood lawsuit against Kansas
    * Missouri closes office that sought to lure filmmakers to state
    * Nixon vetos bill delaying sprinklers in nursing homes
    * Lt. Gov. Kinder owes state for hotel expenses
    * AARP in turmoil over the future of Social Security
    * Obama says no to short-term debt deal

    JEFFERSON CITY | When legislation was introduced last spring to place stricter regulations on Missouri’s medical-malpractice insurance industry, state Sen. Rob Schaaf didn’t hesitate.

    Within minutes, he was in the Senate leader’s office, voicing his objections.

    A few days later, the bill Schaaf disliked so much was assigned to one of his own committees,

    …….. where it languished for months without a word of formal debate and then died when the session adjourned.

    Lawmakers of course speak out against and help kill bills they oppose all the time.

    The difference in this case?

    Schaaf owns a medical-malpractice insurance firm that would have been regulated by the new laws.

    Read more:

  41. Michael H. Wilson

    Root had a piece out on July 9th. Its over at the LP website, but he doesn’t say anything about the debt problem, nor does he mention anything as to what the LP would do.

  42. Michael H. Wilson

    Btw everyone write your two Senators and Congressperson and tell them to bring the troops home.

    Lets start a letter writing campaign.Bring all the troops home NOW!

  43. Don Lake, FYI, not necessarily a unilateral endorsement

    STATE ment, STATE ment, STATE ment 2 hours ago

    RIVERSIDE, Calif. (AP) — Thirteen mostly conservative California counties would break away to create a 51st state known as South California under a proposal by a local elected official.

    Republican Jeff Stone has asked fellow members of the Riverside County Board of Supervisors to support a motion to bring together officials from the 13 counties to discuss the idea.

    Stone says California is too big to govern, which has led the state to raid local government coffers because of runaway spending.

    Stone’s version of South California would not include Los Angeles County.

    Instead, it would encompass coastal Orange and San Diego counties, and inland Fresno, Imperial, Inyo, Kern, Kings, Madera, Mariposa, Mono, Riverside, San Bernardino and Tulare counties.

  44. Divide Taxifornia?

    Article Four of the United States Constitution

    Section 3: New states and federal property
    [edit] Clause 1: New states

    “New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new States shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.
    Sorry, but US Congress is not going to allow Taxifornia to spit into North Taxifornia and South Taxifornia. Ain’t gonna happen. Forget it. No way. Give it up.

  45. Los Angeles IS Southern California

    Nor should southern California be allowed to secede without taking Los Angeles.

    Los Angeles is southern California. You want to leave — you take your liabilities with you.

  46. Don Lake, FYI, not necessarily a unilateral endorsement

    The Climate Reality Project

    On September 14, Reality needs you.

    Every day, millions of dollars are spent trying to convince you that climate change isn’t real.

    Or that humans don’t cause it. Or that the biggest polluters are trying to solve the problem.

    We’re introducing a brand-new organization with one clear goal: to bring the facts about the climate crisis into the mainstream by engaging everyone — especially leaders like you [Lake: like little ol’ me — flattery will get you any where, with SOME people.]

    Leading up to September 14, we will need our most ardent supporters with us to help promote the event and start the conversation.

    We’re building this new project on the foundation of the remarkable work we’ve done together as the Alliance for Climate Protection. [Lake: never heard of them![

    We are joining together with The Climate Project — a group of volunteer climate Presenters trained by Al Gore.

    So when you hear from us moving forward, it will be as The Climate Reality Project.

    Thanks, Maggie L. Fox, President and CEO,
    The Climate Reality Project

    [Lake: having met both Roger Revelle and Al Gore, I personally believe in global warming. I also note that the Industrial Revolution has been spewing green house gases for centuries. I also believe that if any additional human impact were to stop tomorrow. Dead stop. I believe that 1961 was the last time we could have positively altered the temperature rise.]

  47. National Libertarian Conference

    The video of John Buttrick has almost been finished with reasonable sound. The questions, as opposed to Buttrick’s answers, are totally inaudible even with computer voice enhancement and have been skipped. However, there are still two rendering steps that are massively compute-intensive, and may not be done until Thursday. I have a fast machine, but we are talking about 20 gig camera files after preliminary Camtasia processing.

  48. George Phillies

    The new issue of Liberty for America is out. You can see it at Contents

    Table of Contents
    National Conference is Success
    On the Federal Budget Dispute
    Porter Launches New Web Site
    Person Announces Campaign
    Where Your Money Went
    LNC on 2014 NatCon Timing
    Oregon Dispute Deadlocks
    2010 LNC Wants to Choose 2016 NatCon Site
    Republicans Getting Lost?

    Letter from Oregon Secretary of State Validating Wagner is State Chair
    Minutes of Oregon State Committee meeting adopting new state bylaws

  49. Don Lake, FYI, not necessarily a unilateral endorsement

    PHOENIX (Reuters) – 2 hours ago – Arizona Governor Jan Brewer on Tuesday ordered a special election for November 8 to decide the fate of a high-profile state lawmaker behind Arizona’s controversial immigration crackdown.

    Brewer ordered the vote to recall Republican Russell Pearce, the state senate’s president and chief architect of Senate Bill 1070, after a citizen’s group turned in enough valid signatures to force it.

    Barring any legal challenges, voters in Pearce’s Mesa, Arizona, district will go to the polls in what is believed to be the first recall election of a state legislator in Arizona history.

  50. Michael Cavlan RN

    Open thread but NOT PLAS related.

    The National Green Party have not collected ANY money in about a year.

    Now the National Committee have tried to pass four people to be selected as their GP National meet up. They need five people but can’t get any more volunteers.

    Even thenn, they just tried to vote on the four nominees. They Green party vote failed because they could not gain quorem. Which is itself extremely low for the National Green Party.

    Man, that purging of the Nader supporters and their allies looks a whole lot different now.

    Sad but true

    Carry On

    Building and Organizing an opposition to the pro-war, corporate corrupted two party system.
    Like we really mean it.

  51. Steven Wilson

    A national movement of this size cannot withstand horrible national candidates.


    The LP will suffer the same fate if it is not careful.

  52. Don Lake, FYI, not necessarily a unilateral endorsement

    Michael, yep! Same with the effort of various 2004 anti Nader Reform / Deform officers! [Unusually strident pro 100% Israeli government issues …….]

    An update of same, from Bruce Westcott:

    “as such, isn’t it a fact that the Blare 2009 National Convention was a fraudulent deception and a travesty intentionally perpetrated upon the National Committee and SPO members on this list, myself included?

    And therefore as such and in fact, isn’t the 2009 Blare National Convention the “rump” convention that you and he and Mr. Bambey have been looking for?


    In a message dated 7/8/2011 5:56:49 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, writes:

    Mr. Bruce Westcott (

    Please be advised that there is no current registration for the Reform Party of Ct. The committee terminated in 2004.

    It’s last designated chair was Donna Donovan of Glastonbury, Ct. The treasurer was Gary Beane of New Haven, Ct. No other officers were listed.

    There is no current list of officials for the party.

    It appears that the Reform Party no longer has party status in CT

    With regard to Mr. Ken Jones, his status as a voter in Ct can not be determined without a town of residence or a date of birth.

    Nancy M. Staniewicz, Elections Officer

    Elections Enforcement Commission
    20 Trinity Street
    Hartford, CT 06106
    (860) 256-2940


    Let’s see you, Mr. Jones, and Mr. Blare and Mr. Bambey [Lake: and John Dennis Coffey and Valle Sharpe Geisler ……] do that little jig of yours on this one.

    And let’s see this one posted on the reflector lists: Haven’t you learned that it is illegal for you to solicit funding, Mr. Jones?”

    Lake: Reform the Reform Party …….

  53. Don Lake, FYI, not necessarily a unilateral endorsement

    Meet John Rolczynski:

    The Grand Forks, N.D., resident has been trying to tell his legislators that an error in the state’s founding document means that technically, North Dakota is not a state.

    Sounds like the ravings of a grumpy old man, but as it turns out, Rolczynski was right.

    News of uncertain statehood has put North Dakota in the spotlight and garnered big buzz.

    Here’s the story: Back in 1889, North Dakota was carved out of the Dakota Territory and admitted to the Union at the same time as South Dakota. Or so everyone thought.

    But the state founders who drafted the constitution left out the key requirement that the governor and other top officials take an oath of office, putting the state constitution in conflict with the federal one.

    So Rolczynski has been arguing for the last 16 years that the omission made the state illegitimate.

    Finally, somebody listened. State Senator Tim Mathern introduced a bill fixing the mistake that will be put to voters this spring.

  54. Don Lake, FYI, not necessarily a unilateral endorsement

    *1 hour, 33 minutes ago
    Ugly wind farms mar the Kansas Plains

    Tim Tankard
    Midwest Voices contributing columnist

    We’ve all heard the saying, “Be careful what you wish for, you may get it.”

    I love the great outdoors as much as the next guy and figured the use of windmills for electrical power was a good idea.

    It sure seemed to beat coal, big dams or nuclear power. Until I visited the Smoky Hills in central Kansas.

    I’ve always treasured the Smoky Hills — craggy limestone bluffs, timbered draws and wide-open pastures.

    But go now and expect to encounter scores of white whirling windmills, covering the land in all directions.

    What was once beautiful prairie looks ruined. It’s as if there is a monstrous cell tower on every acre, with spinning blades atop.

    Read more:

    [Lake: Thank you, thank you, thank you, Timothy! It is not often that I forget why I FLED the American Siberia and hoards of pin headed locals! Just days after my last class I searched the chain link around the Heart Land. I found a tear. I wigged thru but got my hand stuck. I chewed off my arm. I ran fast. I ran far.]

  55. Dennis



    Kearan for Governor

    Bobby Kearan Enters Gubernatorial Race

    Activist Bobby Kearan has formally announced his intention to run for Governor of Mississippi. The 39 year-old Reform Party candidate recently assured his growing base of supporters that he plans on turning the 2011 Gubernatorial election into a three-way race.

    During a Reform Party teleconference, Kearan informed his supporters that after months of consideration he has decided to launch a grassroots campaign to become Mississippi’s Chief Executive. The gubernatorial hopeful has spent the past several weeks talking with voters around the state, many of whom expressed interest in a seeing a viable third party candidate enter the fray.

    Kearan assured his growing base of volunteers that he is that candidate. He promised to think outside of the box and bring an end to “politics as usual,” noting that he wants “real solutions” to the state’s current economic and social woes. “I believe Mississippi can do better than we are right now,” said Kearan. “Many policies we are following now are doing more harm than good. I want to see real solutions to the issues facing our state – not politics mired in ideology. All we have seen from the establishment is the same politics that have gotten us into the mess we are in!”

    Voters will likely remember that the Reform Party “shocked the world” in 1999 when Jesse Ventura was elected Governor of Minnesota. The party’s unexpected victory was considered among the biggest political upsets in recent American history; it solidified the Reform Party’s reputation as a political underdog to be reckoned with.

    During a recent conversation with several out of state campaign advisers, Kearan expressed his desire to replicate Ventura’s success. He stated that he plans on publicly debating his Republican and Democratic opponents before the General Election, and assured Reform Party leadership that more voters will recognize the importance of a political alternative once his message reaches the masses. He stated that anyone interested in seeing exactly what his ideas are for Mississippi should check him out online. “I want a continuing conversation with Mississippians from all over the State. This is not going to be a standard campaign,” he continued. “I work 40 hours a week. I can’t be traveling all over the state going to events. This is going to be a campaign of ideas, new media and a grassroots movement of Mississippians. We are tired of elected officials who do not represent us.”

    Kearan’s campaign is currently organizing volunteers across the state, and is currently seeking interested voters and organizers in each of Mississippi’s 82 counties. Those interested in learning more about the Kearan for Governor campaign can visit or!

    # # #

  56. JT

    National Libertarian Conference: “The video of John Buttrick has almost been finished with reasonable sound. The questions, as opposed to Buttrick’s answers, are totally inaudible even with computer voice enhancement and have been skipped.”

    No, the whole thing is virtually inaudible. I appreciate that you spent time uploading it, but I don’t see the point if you can barely hear what’s being said.

  57. Don Lake, FYI, not necessarily a unilateral endorsement

    This is where the term “police state” originates

    California police use a Taser on an unarmed, legless man in a wheelchair?

    Handicapped man body slammed out of wheelchair and left bleeding on the sidewalk by cops

    Cops Stop Ambulance On Way To Hospital And Fight With EMT

    Cell phone video shows highway patrol grabbing paramedic by the throat

    Full story:

  58. Robert Milnes

    @80, I take this as another reason for a do-over of that conference/another such conference. One in which I would be allowed to speak.
    So, George, Mr. Deep Pockets, reach down again, will you?

  59. Robert Milnes

    Darryl, ok, maybe I could do that.
    But George has already expressed that he may host another conference. Somewhere in New England, maybe NH again.
    & my only problem with this one was the one requirement that I could not meet.

  60. Robert Milnes

    Presently virtually the entire south is having a drought/extended heat wave. The central states up to Canada -heat wave. New England is one of few areas not affected.
    So a do-over in New England with good audio/video recording -and drop the strict requirement on Presidential Candidate debaters.
    Sounds doable. Would the previous guests/speakers/debaters be agreeable?
    Throw in some sweeteners, George & make it happen!
    e.g. invite Ron Paul so I can heckle him!
    And/or some libertarian celebrity to sign autographs. Stossel?
    Lib. entertainment? Penn & Teller. Doug Stanhope?
    Or free snow cones!
    Something some fun.
    C’mon, George.

  61. JT

    Milnes: “@80, I take this as another reason for a do-over of that conference/another such conference.”

    Are you a little kid playing a game?

    Milnes: “So, George, Mr. Deep Pockets, reach down again, will you?”

    You’re disgusting.

  62. George Phillies

    JT: Are you referring to the first upload or the second?

    The second upload was a few days ago; the first upload was two weeks ago.

    I can get it up to close-to-deafening on my computer by turning up the sound, which is why I asked people how it came out on their machines.

    I can always hoist the sound again and upload again.

  63. Don Lake, FYI, not necessarily a unilateral endorsement

    A New Day in Politics, Comments 4
    June 30, 2011 9:15 AM

    Most Americans used to call themselves Republican or Democrat.

    These days, more call themselves independent. What does that mean for American politics? A lot.

    “Independents are everywhere, and they’re becoming the largest single voting bloc in the country,” Reason magazine Editor Matt Welch says. “

    (T)hey can determine every national election and every … election for state office. So independent voters — people who refuse to say, ‘I’m a Republican or I’m a Democrat’ — that’s where all the action is.”

    Welch and Editor in Chief Nick Gillespie just published a book on what to expect from this change ………

  64. George Phillies

    I finally persuaded someone to listen to the second try on transferring to youtube, confirm that we had fixed the audio so it can now be heard on a normal machine at normal boost levels, and will be advancing from there.

  65. Alaska Constitution Party

    The Alaska Constitution Party has contacted the Alaska Division of Elections regarding the newly formed “Americans Elect” Limited Party in Alaska.
    We take exception that the listed address and contact person are in California.

  66. JT

    I’m referring to the link to the YouTube videos at post 76, George. I’ve tried playing it on 2 different computers with the speakers set all the way up. I don’t know how you can get it to be almost deafening, but a lot of it is still inaudible (I have good hearing also, I should probably say).

  67. Don Lake, FYI, not necessarily a unilateral endorsement



    Seriously, Ken Jones, don’t you think that you should just disappear back into Fairyland?

    And (Frau and Frau] Hoffpauir [both of Oklahoma], how and why is it that a person who has no legitimate standing in the RPUSA, such as Ken Jones [of Connecticut], is allowed to post to a NatCom reflector?

    Yet you (attempt to) censor me? [and Tish Firmiss and Don Lake]? Can’t stand the truth?

    Then censor away; you and your kind [American Fascists] are not fooling anyone on this or any other list.

    In fact, this is exactly the kind of reprehensible conduct by a national political party that is definitively the antithesis of the principals upon which the RPUSA was founded.

    Does anyone in this membership who has worked so earnestly on behalf of an otherwise promising national political party really support the Blare Faction tactics [including Anti American Israel First Zionists!] ??????????????

    Bruce Westcott, Do YOU Want The Truth?

  68. Mike B.

    Interesting, I did a search for Wayne Allyn Root’s facebook account which apparently he has 3 or 4 of them, but the 4th one down is usually the “Wayne Allyn Root is Not a Libertarian Facebook” account has suddenly disappeared?

    I scrolled down to hit next page several times and no Wayne Allyn Root is Not a Libertarian Facebook comes up………hmmm.

  69. Thomas L. Knapp

    Mike B @ 95,

    Facebook is in the process of converting from “old groups” to “new groups,” and a lot of “old groups” are just being disappeared instead of having the opportunity to upgrade. I wouldn’t necessarily read anything sinister into it.

  70. NewFederalist

    Bob Milnes – “I really must complain again about someone-probably xaulie, tampering in one way or another with my comments.”

    I have noticed that many of your comments have been edited and/or deleted. I would prefer a system wherein the comment is totally deleted rather than edited or modified. It would also seem fair to me that the administrator taking the action be identified. Just my $0.02 worth. BTW, whatever happened to your boycott of IPR? That is another way for you to handle this situation.

  71. Robert Milnes

    @ 97, perhaps not necessarily sinister, but faulty policy in the least.
    Reminds me of banks that takeover old, unused or underused or unclaimed savings accounts.

  72. Robert Milnes

    Also reminds me of my trailer park converting from older to newer trailers.
    Sounds reasonable. But how many “undesirables”, grandfathered in rates & gentlemen’s agreements, structures & old grievances came with it?

    [Note from IPR: Since Mr. Milnes has repeatedly and intentionally violated IPR policies containing PLAS and debate on debate parameters topics in their own threads, and (in a removed comment) promised to spam IPR threads, including archives, all day long, he has now been removed from commenting at IPR completely, unless the IPR chief editor reverses this decision. Comments by others referring to Mr. Milnes will be placed in the comment moderation queue. Everyone, if you wish to comment on this or other IPR policies, please do so in the debate on debate parameters thread].

  73. Don Lake, FYI, not necessarily a unilateral endorsement


    I lived in Calif. some 50 years. Now in the Panhandle of Florida since 2000.

    I am State Chairman of the Prohibition Party of Florida. We are ballot-qualified.
    However, the Republican-controlled state government has passed HB1355 that
    is designed to destroy third parties.

    They don’t like competition. It is all about
    job security for them.

    I am Chairman of the Board of the Milton (FL) Housing Authority, and am
    manager of Milton Benevolent Cemetery, an active historical burial ground.

    I am active in several Veteran’s organizations, the Santa Rosa County Fair,
    and a youth group (similar to ROTC) called Young Marines.

    Prior to leaving Calif., I was a labor union official (23 years), Congressional
    lobbyist (8 years), taught high school (12 years), ran a large conservative
    Republican group in the Long Beach-Lakewood area several years, and was
    manager for Sunny side Cemetery in Long Beach.

    To Andrew: I am not sure what Mr. Lake means by your “being on the
    ropes.” Perhaps you could explain.

    [Lake: Perot, 20% in P1992. Perot, 10% in P1996. Less than 500 votes, total, aggregate, two state add up in P2008! If this is not ‘on the ropes’, twat tis ????????????]

    Bill Bledsoe
    P. O. Box 3554 Milton FL. 32572 (850) 686-1122

    To: “”
    Cc: “”

    Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011:

    Barbara Koehler, a house mate.

    Andrew Distler, non drinking Reform Party [on the ropes] student leader in Pennsylvania

    [The FLorida Pan Handle is also territory for the FORMER Veterans Party stalwarts of VP and dim bulb FORMER CP standard bearer, Chuckie Baldwin! Some thing in the soggy water ????????????]

  74. Don Lake, FYI, not necessarily a unilateral endorsement

    WELLINGTON, New Zealand (AP) — A New Zealand newspaper group is reporting that the deadly February earthquake in Christchurch unearthed a suspected Israeli spy ring.

    Three Israelis died in the quake that killed 181 people. Other Israelis escaped the quake.

    The Fairfax newspaper group, which didn’t state how it obtained the information, said one of the Israelis who died was carrying at least five passports.

    Fairfax said New Zealand Prime Minister John Key took four calls from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu following the quake

    …… and that an unaccredited Israeli search and rescue squad searching a cordoned area in Christchurch was stopped by New Zealand officers.

    Key, who is traveling in California, told media Wednesday that it wasn’t in the national interest to comment about the report.

  75. Don Lake, FYI, not necessarily a unilateral endorsement


    Conservative Party of New York State
    Today’s Postings ~ July 20, 2011

    Kudos to the HO– USE GOP for passing Cut, Cap and Balance.

    It is time to call US Senators Schumer, Gillibrand, Reid and McConnell and demand they do the same.

    (202-224-3121 is the main number)
    If you have trouble opening the link, please type it in.

    Have you downloaded our petition to suspend/cap the local sales tax on gasoline?

    for your petition. Thanks for your support.

  76. Don Lake, FYI, not necessarily a unilateral endorsement

    IF you’ve ever nearly been bumped from a seat but got on board courtesy of an instant auction, you can thank Mr. Nader.

    If you have ever raised your hand and said, “I’ll take the later flight and the goodie,” you can thank Mr. Nader, too.

    The point isn’t that we should all send the man a card.

    The point is that just because the airline has a policy that it has turned into fine print doesn’t mean that it’s fair, or that you can’t object to it.

    If you object loudly enough, and in the proper places, you might even change the fine print.

  77. Don Lake, FYI, not necessarily a unilateral endorsement

    U.S. Wars Undermine Civil Society

    Alexis de Tocqueville visited the United States in 1831 and marveled at the social dynamism he saw, a by-product of the young republic’s protection of the “law of equal liberty.”

    He also warned that democratic politics runs the risk of creating a “tyranny of the majority,” as voters use the electoral system to overrule their neighbors’ property rights.

    In a symposium sponsored by the Center of the American Experiment, Independent Institute President David J. Theroux offered his top recommendation to help restore civil society to the full glory that Tocqueville had witnessed: he called for an end to U.S. wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Pakistan, and elsewhere.

    Ending Invasive Wars, by David J. Theroux (Center of the American Experiment, 7/18/11)

    The Independent Institute will award its Alexis de Tocqueville Prize to Lech Walesa, Mario Vargas Llosa, and Robert Higgs at its 25th Anniversary Celebration, A Gala for Liberty (San Francisco, Calif., 11/15/11) Get your tickets now!

  78. Don Lake, FYI, not necessarily a unilateral endorsement

    . David Wu (D-Ore.) announced Tuesday he will resign from Congress following accusations he had unwanted sexual contact with a teenage girl.

    “I cannot care for my family the way I wish while serving in Congress and fighting these very serious allegations,” Wu said in a statement.

    Wu claims the incident with the daughter of a longtime friend and donor–who is now 18 years old–was consensual, and said he will continue to serve until the resolution of the debt ceiling battle.

    Wu for months faced intense pressure back home to resign following reports of his erratic behavior.

    Prior to today’s announcement, he tried to deflect such pressure by stressing that he was undergoing mental health treatment.

  79. Darryl W. Perry

    If it had been a scene in “Atlas Shrugged,” the guy would have disappeared into the secrecy of Colorado with a shadowy figure who we would later learn to be John Galt. In real life, the story will probably be more complex. But I wonder how long it’s going to be before businesspeople really do start walking away and deciding it’s not worth doing business in America today. Or it it already happening and we just don’t know it?
    The man you see in the picture at the right is named Ronnie Bryant. He operates coal mines in Alabama. I’d never heard of him until this morning, but after what I saw and heard from him, I’d say he’s a bit like a southern version of Ellis Wyatt from Ayn Rand’s novel. What I saw made an impression on me.
    I was at a public hearing in an inner-city Birmingham neighborhood for various government officials to get public input on some local environmental issues. There are several hot topics, but one of the highest-profile disputes is over a proposal for a coal mine near a river that serves as a source of drinking water for parts of the Birmingham metro area. Mine operators and state environmental officials say the mine can be operated without threatening the water supply. Environmentalists claim it will be a threat.
    I’m not going to take sides on that environmental issue, because I don’t know enough to stake out an informed opinion. (With most of the people I listened to today, facts didn’t seem to matter as much as emotional implications.) But Ronnie Bryant wasn’t there to talk about that particular mine. As a mine operator in a nearby area, he was attending the meeting to listen to what residents and government officials were saying. He listened to close to two hours of people trashing companies of all types and blaming pollution for random cases of cancer in their families. Several speakers clearly believe that all of the cancer and other deaths they see in their families and communities must be caused by pollution. Why? Who knows? Maybe just because it makes for an emotional story to blame big bad business. It’s hard to say.
    After Bryant listened to all of the business-bashing, he finally stood to speak. He sounded a little bit shellshocked, a little bit angry — and a lot frustrated.

    My name’s Ronnie Bryant, and I’m a mine operator…. I’ve been issued a [state] permit in the recent past for [waste water] discharge, and after standing in this room today listening to the comments being made by the people…. [pause] Nearly every day without fail — I have a different perspective — men stream to these [mining] operations looking for work in Walker County. They can’t pay their mortgage. They can’t pay their car note. They can’t feed their families. They don’t have health insurance. And as I stand here today, I just … you know … what’s the use? I got a permit to open up an underground coal mine that would employ probably 125 people. They’d be paid wages from $50,000 to $150,000 a year. We would consume probably $50 million to $60 million in consumables a year, putting more men to work. And my only idea today is to go home. What’s the use? I don’t know. I mean, I see these guys — I see them with tears in their eyes — looking for work. And if there’s so much opposition to these guys making a living, I feel like there’s no need in me putting out the effort to provide work for them. So as I stood against the wall here today, basically what I’ve decided is not to open the mine. I’m just quitting. Thank you.

    I have no idea what Bryant will actually do. He might have made a quick emotional decision based on anger at feeling blamed for things that are frequently just normal health issues of life. He might reconsider and go ahead with his project.
    The only thing I’m sure of is that what I saw today is a broken process and a sham. We all want a decent environment in which to live, but when various people at a public meeting — including federal officials and community members — talk about “environmental justice” and make it clear that their intent is to make it harder for businesses to operate, well, I can see why a businessman would decide to quit. I consider myself an environmentalist — because I want to live in a safe, secure, clean world — but what I saw isn’t reasonable concern for the environment as much as it’s an ideological agenda.
    We need reasonable people to talk about how to balance various people’s property rights. (You have the right to use your property as you please, but I have a right not to be injured by it.) Even though we need a discussion, the modern equivalent of a kangaroo court that I observed today isn’t the way to go about it. It was more like a prelude to a lynching of business. If I were a businessperson or investor, I wouldn’t put the money or effort into opening new industry in this country today. I’d take my investment and jobs to somewhere they were wanted.
    As Ronnie Bryant asked, “What’s the use?” Maybe Atlas really is starting to shrug.

  80. NewFederalist

    We’re finished. We passed the point of no return years ago. Just have fun while you still can.

  81. Michael H. Wilson

    Darryl some of those people in Walker County would be my relatives.

    Something similar is happening where I live. An ordinance is working its way through the process that will lock up land too protect a gopher.

    The thing that gets me is that the word sustainable has become the buzz word of the day and many of the politicians involved don’t seem to understand that the policies they are passing are at cross purposes to building sustainable communities.

  82. Don Lake, FYI, not necessarily a unilateral endorsement

    One more reminder of the lack of logic with the USA joining industrial power houses such as Liberia and Burma!

    [32] The Exposition Universelle (1867) (Paris exhibition) devoted a stand to the metric system and by 1875 two thirds of the European population and close on half the world’s population had adopted the metric system.

  83. Don Lake, FYI, not necessarily a unilateral endorsement

    Job listings say the unemployed need not apply

    National Affairs Reporter Liz Goodwin | The Lookout – Tuesday, Jul 26, 2011

    Hundreds of job opening listings posted on and other jobs sites explicitly state that people who are unemployed would be less attractive applicants, with some telling the long-term unemployed to not even bother with applying.

    The New York Times’ Catherine Rampell said she found preferences for the already employed or only recently laid off in listings for “hotel concierges, restaurant managers, teachers, I.T. specialists, business analysts, sales directors, account executives, orthopedics device salesmen, auditors and air-conditioning technicians.”

    The concerted shunning of unemployed Americans by prospective employers was a common theme that cropped up in the thousands of responses that poured in when we asked Yahoo! readers to share their experiences of unemployment for our “Down But Not Out” series.

    Reader Susan W. said she was being treated “as if it were my fault I was unemployed, regardless of the fact that I had put out hundreds of resumes and applications.”

    [Lake: My country tis of thee ………….]

  84. George Phillies

    The videos from the LAMA/LPNH conference, those taken by LAMA officer Bob Clark, had now been posted on youtube. One session, on Libertarians and young people, did not turn out; someone close to the camera was talking continuously and drowned out the actual speakers. To find them, go to YouTube and search on LibPartyMA and National Conference 2011.

    We will try to get a URL list out at some point.

  85. Don Lake, FYI, not necessarily a unilateral endorsement

    Israel Inc. too powerful?
    ReutersBy Tova Cohen and Ari Rabinovitch

    | Reuters – 2 hours ago

    * Shari Arison, Israel’s richest woman, speaks during an interview with Reuters in Jerusalem in this file picture taken November 15, 2009.

    REUTERS/Baz Ratner/Files

    * Yitzhak Tshuva attends a committee meeting at Israel’s parliament in Jerusalem in this picture taken May 10, 2010.

    REUTERS/Alex Kolomoisky

    * Yitzhak Tshuva attends a committee meeting at Israel’s parliament in Jerusalem in ……..…

    TEL AVIV (Reuters) – It took a two week-long cottage cheese rebellion to get Israelis to question the power of the country’s tycoons.

    As containers of cheese piled up on supermarket shelves, the country’s richest people became the focus of the sort of media attention normally given to politics and homeland security.

    Newspapers and television stations, which civic groups have long criticized for ignoring the massive concentration of corporate power in a small group of Israeli business groups and families, made the boycott a top story for days.

    “I woke up this morning smeared in cottage cheese,” Muzi Wertheim, a business magnate who controls one of the country’s largest dairy producers, said during a speech at a Tel Aviv university at the peak of the protest.

    Last October the Israeli government set up a committee to explore the level of competition in the economy.

    The Bank of Israel already says the country has one of the highest concentrations of corporate power in the developed world.

    A scathing parliamentary report from June last year found that 10 large business groups control 30 percent of the market value of public companies, while 16 control half the money in the entire country.

    That’s far more than in western economies such as the UK, Spain or Germany ……..

    [Lake: No, no, no, it’s all Don Lake and North American anti semites ……… and dead sailors aboard the USS Liberty, and dead aide volunteers ——- also murdered by IDF in international waters!]

  86. Concerned Chuck and Hetro Harry

    I, hEtRo HaRrY, aNnOuNcE tHaT i NoW sUpPorT the CITIZENS FOR A BETTER VETERANS HOME tHiNgY dOnAlD lAkE aLwAyS tAlKs AbOuT oN hErE! cAnT sPeAk FoR cHuCk ThOuGh WhO uSuAlLy PoSts HeRe FoR uS bOtH.

    ALSO, iN oThEr NeWs, CHUck baldWIN tRiEd To dO tHe PhOnE sEx WiTh Me. WeIrDo!

  87. Concerned Chuck and Hetro Harry

    Sorry folks, that was not Hetro Harry. He never has nor ever will support “Citizens for a Better Veterans Home” which is nothing more than a front for Donald Lake to laundry money to buy Latin hookers and cocaine.

    That was his mentally retarded son, who manged to get out of his treatment box and onto our jointed computer. No worries though, young Robert has been properly punished and returned to his box! Thanks a lot, Chuck.

  88. Don Lake, FYI, not necessarily a unilateral endorsement

    Latina Prostitutes and extra strength miltown ………..

    Bush science adviser John H. Marburger dies

    By SETH BORENSTEIN – AP Science Writer | –——- Friday, July 29, 2011

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The White House science adviser to President George W. Bush, John H. Marburger III, has died. He was 70.

    A Democrat, Marburger was in charge of science policy during the eight years of Bush’s Republican administration, often dealing with issues about man-made global warming and claims of political interference in science.

    Bush said in a statement that Marburger “was a joy to work with. Jack was dedicated to his field, his family and his country.” [Tool!]
    “Jack Marburger had a remarkable ability to defuse explosive situations and get people to collaborate for the greater good,” [Zeich Hiel]

    From 2001 to 2009, Marburger had more than his share of explosive situations to deal with, including climate change and the president’s decision to restrict federal funding of stem cell research to climate change.

    Scientists claimed the Bush Administration had a “war on science,”

    “I think people overestimate the power of government to affect science,” he told The New York Times in 2004.

  89. Don Lake, FYI, not necessarily a unilateral endorsement

    theater chains cancel rave documentary showing (AP – Fri, Jul 29, 2011)

    LOS ANGELES (AP) — theater chains have canceled showings of the “Electric Daisy Carnival Experience” documentary after violence erupted outside the premiere of the film in Hollywood earlier this week.

    The Los Angeles Times reports Friday that Regal and AMC theaters cited “the incident in Los Angeles” in their decision not to show the film about the Electric Daisy Carnival rave.

    Police in riot gear were called in Wednesday night after some fans became unruly, throwing bottles and damaging three police cruisers.

    Insomniac Events, which promotes the Electric Daisy Carnival, said Friday the film will still be shown in hundreds of theaters nationwide and is disappointed that Regal and AMC canceled their showings based on a few troublemakers.

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