Gov. Gary Johnson Applauds Court Ruling On DOMA

GOV. GARY JOHNSON APPLAUDS FEDERAL APPEALS RULING THAT DEFENSE OF MARRIAGE ACT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL

Oct. 18, 2012, Laramie, WY — Calling it “another major step toward ending marriage discrimination,” presidential candidate and former New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson today applauded a Federal Appeals Court ruling in New York that the Defense of Marriage Act, which defines marriage as only between a man and a woman, is unconstitutional.

In a statement, Johnson said, “Unlike Gov. Romney and President Obama, I firmly believe marriage equality for gay couples is a constitutionally protected right under the Equal Protection Clause. Today’s ruling by the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals confirms that belief and is a major step toward eliminating the discrimination that is enshrined in the Defense of Marriage Act.

“While, as a former Governor, I am a staunch defender of states’ rights, when it comes to marriage equality, it is not good enough to hide behind the idea of deferring to state law, as President Obama has done. Gay Americans will either be treated equally under the Constitution, or they will not. That is not a matter to be left to the states. With today’s ruling, I am more confident than ever that the U.S. Supreme Court will ultimately resolve the issue of gay marriage on the side of equality.”

60 thoughts on “Gov. Gary Johnson Applauds Court Ruling On DOMA

  1. Wyo Native

    As a native of Wyoming, I don’t think this was a very smart thing for Gary Johnson to announce at the Univ of Wyoming campus. That statement sure dose not help the Libertarian Party in that state. It is already divided between the Libertarian Party and the breakaway party… the County Party. His statement is bound to cost the party a fair amount of votes.

    With the Constitution Party on the ballot for the first time ever, they are going to need every vote they can get to maintain ballot position.
    The CP candidate for governor in WY in 2010 was Taylor Haynes, a well known black medical doctor who got over 7% of the vote as a write in candidate and came in second in five of the 23 counties. That was the highestpercentage write-in vote for a state wide candidate in that state in over 100 years.

  2. David Colborne

    I’ll give him credit – most politicians would have waited for a friendlier venue to make that statement. His willingness to state his beliefs, consequences be damned, is admirable.

    As for DOMA’s constitutionality, it’s a farce. It violates the “full faith and credit” clause and clearly targets a particular group. It doesn’t allow a state to refuse to recognize another state’s marriage under any circumstance – it only provides extra leeway in the case of same-sex civil unions or marriages. Like it or not, the court made the right decision.

  3. Robert Capozzi

    Good release. As for the venue, while I believe Ls do need to be sensitive to the audience’s biases, it’s even MORE important to speak one’s truth. GJ is for marriage equality. He should not get in the business of spinning that to get the audience to think his position is not clear.

    If asked, of course, the sensitivity comes in in not making those who hold different positions “wrong,” since – as we all know – opinions can’t be “wrong.” They can only be different.

  4. Wyo Native

    I would say that a good many people in Wyoming are tolerant of people of the same gender living together. It is just the extreme to which those people want to force their life style and agenda on others that rubs people wrong. Having been raised on a farm, seeing two animals of the same gender trying to mate was not uncommon, but it did not produce an offspring.

    The centuries old concept behind marriage is for people of the opposite gender to be able to pro create, something that two people of the same gender can not do. In light of this for the gay community to insist that their civil union be called a marriage is not only absurd, but offensive. That is what rubs even some of those in the gay community wrong. If people choose to live that life style that is one thing, but let them then have the courtesy to not force those who disagree with such a life style to call it something that it is not. In their view a civil union is simply not the same thing as a marriage.

    It is the fostering of the concept that gay people are more equal than those who are not gay that causes resentment. That philosophy extends to other groups as well.

  5. Robert Capozzi

    WN, yes, I do hear you. But there is no “forcing” here. There are a lot of gray areas on this issue, and there are a number of ways to handle it.

    Ideally, the State would get out of “marriage” entirely, and there would be a state-certified legal institution called “civil union” or “domestic partnership.”

    Unfortunately, retail politics does not allow for long-form nuance. The issue of “marriage equality” has ripened to the point that I’d rather see GJ take his stance in this way than for him to play philosophy professor on the hustings, walking through the various puts and takes of the matter.

    IF the day comes that Ls get elected and are actually in a position to shape policy, those details can be hashed out at the table. I can guaran-damn-tee you that the omelette won’t be perfect, but the direction toward “marriage” “equality” would be virtuous. Ls lending their voice from the edges to this tide is something I support.

    DOMA is the wrong direction, IMO.

  6. Laramie project

    Couldnt he have mentionedkatthew Shepherd to maximize the pander factor here? Seems like a list opportunity.

  7. Balki project

    @2 don’t be ridiculous!

    It can’t be uncOnstitutional when the Constitution gives Congress full discretion in carrying it out:

    Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.

    Whatever the congress does in this matter is prima facie de facto Constitutional. Any ruling to the contrary is just a tyrannical usurpation of power by the judiciary.

  8. paulie Post author

    Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state.

    Exactly why it is unconstitutional.

  9. Don J. Grundmann, D.C.

    Wyo Native – The Homosexual/Sodomy Movement ( there is no such thing as ” gay ” which itself is a marketing/Social Engineering term and actually stands for Going After Youth ) does indeed intend to force its views on EVERYONE; especially children, and especially starting in kindergarten, as I have documented at CandleCrusade.org.

    Gary Johnson certainly knows the implications of the legalization of homosexual marriage and the real reasons, as I have documented at CandleCrusade.org, for which it is being promoted.

    He hence certifies both himself and the Libertarian Party as enemies of the children of our nation as they are the prime target of the Homosexual/Sodomy Movement war machine which intends to Socially Engineer the children of our nation to accept, endorse, and promote sodomy and degeneracy.

    In a sane nation of prior times Mr. Johnson, and many and any other supporters of perversion/degeneracy and its promotion to children, would have been ” run out of town on a rail.” The total moral collapse of our nation is crystal clearly illustrated by having entire political parties endorse social pathologies such as homosexuality which, when taken to its logical and intended conclusion, will result in the cultural and social suicide and death of our Republic.

    The soul death, and resultant physical death, of our Republic and our citizens unfolds before us. The shame which normal people would have for promoting such sickness is gone.

    As anti-Christianity advances and destroys the soul of our nation we will all suffer from the catastrophic results of being a nation of wimps that surrenders to the pathology of, and indeed believes as a new and replacement religion in, evil.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman Constitution Party of California

  10. paulie Post author

    W Nat,

    It is just the extreme to which those people want to force their life style and agenda on others that rubs people wrong.

    It’s not a lifestyle or agenda, it’s just who they are, and they are not forcing it on others. Forcing it on others would be if you were being subjected to homosexual rape. Other people having equal rights does not force you to do anything at all.

    The centuries old concept behind marriage is for people of the opposite gender to be able to pro create, something that two people of the same gender can not do.

    Traditional marriage was incestuous, arranged/forced, and polygamous. According to the Bible, raped virgins were to marry their rapist upon payment of 50 shekels to the father, young virgin girls taken in war were to marry their captors, and widows had to marry their brother in law. So called interracial marriage was illegal in many US states until the 1960s. Divorces were for a long time hard to obtain, and women were routinely forced back into abusive marriages by courts.

    Many straight couples can’t procreate. Some get married at an age where they are too old. Are you seeking to outlaw such marriages? Others have had operations so they can’t have kids, or are naturally infertile. Are you advocating fertility tests before couples are allowed to marry? Some are quite physically capable of having children, but are open with each other that they have no such intention. What about them?

    What’s offensive is that you seek to tell other consenting adults what their relationships should be called or that they should have fewer legal rights than other consenting adults.

    If people choose to live that life style that is one thing

    It is neither a lifestyle nor a choice. They are gay in the same way some of us are straight. That’s just what attracts them. They can no more force themselves to be attracted to the opposite sex than the rest of us can force ourselves to be attracted to people of the same sex.

    It is the fostering of the concept that gay people are more equal than those who are not gay that causes resentment. That philosophy extends to other groups as well.

    How about straight people…more equal than others?

  11. paulie Post author

    Good release. As for the venue, while I believe Ls do need to be sensitive to the audience’s biases, it’s even MORE important to speak one’s truth. GJ is for marriage equality. He should not get in the business of spinning that to get the audience to think his position is not clear.

    Exactly.

  12. Don J. Grundmann, D.C.

    Dr. Henry Makow, found at SaveTheMales.ca, has a current excellent article ” Relearning Heterosexual Love ” which discusses some of the forces and intentions behind and of the Homosexual/Sodomy Movement in their war against humanity.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman Constitution Party of California

  13. Don J. Grundmann, D.C.

    ” It’s just who they are.”

    Response – No, Paulie. It is who they choose to be.

    Homosexuality has nothing to do with physical genetics; i.e.; DNA. It has everything to do with ” spiritual DNA;” i.e.; having your original identity ( given fron God ) shattered by resenting your parents and the resultant vacumn being filled by the results of such choice. This is also known as ” sin ” and the results of being destroyed by it.

    They are who they choose to be.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman Constitution Party of California

  14. paulie Post author

    As a native of Wyoming, I don’t think this was a very smart thing for Gary Johnson to announce at the Univ of Wyoming campus. That statement sure dose not help the Libertarian Party in that state. It is already divided between the Libertarian Party and the breakaway party… the County Party. His statement is bound to cost the party a fair amount of votes.

    With the Constitution Party on the ballot for the first time ever, they are going to need every vote they can get to maintain ballot position.

    Actually, with all those conservative-leaning parties on the ballot, it’s smart for the LP not to fight over the conservative vote.

    Johnson is currently the best candidate on this issue on the ballot in Wyoming. IIRC Jill Stein failed to make the ballot. Obama still thinks states rights trump equal rights on marriage equality.

    Many people in Wyoming – especially college age people, but not only – are pretty libertarian on peace and civil liberties issues. A few of them are also big government leftists on economic issues, but many, again especially but not only among the youth, are either libertarian across the board or just don’t know or care much about economic issues yet. These are a prime target for Libertarian votes and party recruitment.

    There are a lot of conservatives in Wyoming who seem not to understand that they are not exactly a swing state. They will vote for Romney because they are afraid of Obama. It doesn’t seem to register with them that Romney will win Wyoming by a huge margin. The few that get this and are willing to vote for an alternative party have several choices this year.

    So, it’s smart for the LP to seek votes that might go to parties such as the Green and Justice parties in some other states, or people that might vote for Obama in a swing state but lean left-libertarian or left-libertarian-centrist. They are not a majority in Wyoming, but they are definitely there, just like in every other state.

  15. paulie Post author

    It is who they choose to be.

    False.

    Your religious ideas, which are not borne out by anything that can be proven, do not belong in government.

  16. Don J. Grundmann, D.C.

    ” How about straight people…more equal than others?”

    Response – Yes. Normal people are always healthier than sick people. Normality is always healthier than those afflicted by social, emotional, and spiritual pathologies.

    Promotion of spiritual, social, and emotional pathology – as the Homosexual/Sodomy Movement war machine is doing – leads to the poisoning and death of our nation and our future. This is the intended result of their attack against the children of our nation.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman Constitution Party of California

  17. paulie Post author

    Normal people are always healthier than sick people.

    Non-sequitur. Gay people aren’t sick, but homophobes are.

  18. Don J. Grundmann, D.C.

    Paulie – Your religious ideas, which cannot be borne out by anything that can be proven, are the gasoline upon which the Homosexual/Sodomy Movement runs in its attack upon the children of our nation.

    John Adams declared that our government could only function with a moral people and none other. Your promotion of the anti-morality of the Homosexual/Sodomy Movement is hence at war with the foundations of our government and Republic.

    The death or life of our Republic will be decided upon whose religion is victorious – your anti-Christianity or my Christianity. In truth it is your own religious views which are the enemy of our Republic.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman Constitution Party of California

  19. Don J. Grundmann, D.C.

    Paulie – ” Homophobia ” is yet another Social Engineering term which is indoctrinated into our culture so that the Drones, such as yourself, can parrot it in their zombie defense of the Homosexual/Sodomy Movement as it attacks and works to both soul and physically kill both the children of our nation and especally our moral foundations.

    Cancer defends cancer as it works to kill the body. You, Gary Johnson, and countless other cancer cells of the Homosexual/Sodomy Movement ceaselessly work to kill the immune system of the nation so that our Republic may become the zombie nation of Death which is ultimate goal of The Enemy of God.

    Fortunately there is one last political party, the Constitution Party, which will stand in defense of our children, our nation, and our future against the war machine of the Homosexual/Sodomy Movement which seeks the death of the United States Republic; the last true beacon of humanity.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman Constitution Party of California

  20. Nick Kruse

    Extremists like Don Grundmann are the reason more people are beginning to reject organized religion. Most people understand that science is science, no matter what your other beliefs are. It is a fact that genetics determines sexuality.

  21. zapper

    When in comes to individual rights, it doesn’t matter whether someone is born or chooses to be heterosexual or homosexual, gay or straight … it is none of the government’s business.

    Marriage is a type of contract that human beings should be able to create, define and enter into, as well as to avoid or dissolve, on their own terms as they see fit.

    Government has no right to interfere in the private contracts of free individuals.

    Governments, and perverted conservates who have so little respect for liberty that they want to watch, and who seem to spend a sick amount of time imagining and fretting over what other people do in their bedrooms, should keep their sick noses out of other people’s bedrooms, contracts, relationships and personal business.

    I applaud Gary Johnson, and further, his choice of Wyoming to make such an announcement is very smart.

    Let the Conservative, Constitution, Country, and Populist parties promote their communistic ideas of regulating the private choices of individuals – in communist states, you’d be right at home – in the old USSR – CCCP – they called this creating the good Soviet man.

  22. Robert Capozzi

    NK, science may be “science,” but “science” very frequently reverses its “definitive” conclusions. The root cause of sexual preference is not germane to this discussion, IMO.

  23. Jill Pyeatt

    I have been ignoring this thread because I get worked up on this topic, but I have this “Duh” comment for Grundmann:

    You say someone “chooses to be “homosexual”. If someone chooses to be with someone of their own sex…that’s because they’re homosexual. Straight people don’t choose their own sex.

  24. paulie Post author

    Paulie – Your religious ideas, which cannot be borne out by anything that can be proven

    That would be you. I am not the one putting forth any religious ideas as a basis for man’s law.

    John Adams declared that our government could only function with a moral people and none other.

    I don’t cede your claim that your position is moral or that mine is immoral. Quite the opposite.

    your anti-Christianity or my Christianity

    Actually, I think my ideas are a lot closer to what Jesus is purported to have actually preached – loving your neighbors, even loving sinners (which would be all of us), not making a public display of your religion, loving your enemies. Yours are based on what twisted power mongers have abused them to be.

    Homophobia is of course very real, and you are a prime example.

    Extremists like Don Grundmann are the reason more people are beginning to reject organized religion. Most people understand that science is science, no matter what your other beliefs are.

    Yep.

    When in comes to individual rights, it doesn’t matter whether someone is born or chooses to be heterosexual or homosexual, gay or straight … it is none of the government’s business.

    Marriage is a type of contract that human beings should be able to create, define and enter into, as well as to avoid or dissolve, on their own terms as they see fit.

    Government has no right to interfere in the private contracts of free individuals.

    Governments, and perverted conservates who have so little respect for liberty that they want to watch, and who seem to spend a sick amount of time imagining and fretting over what other people do in their bedrooms, should keep their sick noses out of other people’s bedrooms, contracts, relationships and personal business.

    I applaud Gary Johnson, and further, his choice of Wyoming to make such an announcement is very smart.

    Yes, yes and yes.

  25. paulie Post author

    Let the Conservative, Constitution, Country, and Populist parties promote their communistic ideas of regulating the private choices of individuals – in communist states, you’d be right at home – in the old USSR – CCCP – they called this creating the good Soviet man.

    I’m not aware of the Country Party taking a stance on this issue. If I had to guess based on the rest of their ideology, I would guess they would be in favor of states rights on the issue rather than having it decided federally in either direction.

    Otherwise I agree, and, having lived in the USSR, have no desire to go back (or have it follow me, as it were).

  26. Matt Cholko

    I am going to make a bold prediction here:

    By 2030, gay marriage will be completely on par (legally) with heterosexual marriage in all of the United States. In 2040, there will still be healthy heterosexual children. Unfortunately, in 2050, there will still be sick fuckers who wish to impose their religious or personal values upon others through the force of law, even though there is absolutely no benefit to anyone in doing so.

  27. Matt Cholko

    As for making this announcement in Wyoming…. If there is evidence that doing so will cost GJ more votes than he gains, it makes WY an even better place to do so. Obviously, the people there really need to hear this message.

  28. Thomas L. Knapp

    BP@7,

    “It can’t be uncOnstitutional when the Constitution gives Congress full discretion in carrying it out”

    You’re right. It can’t be.

    But there’s a problem with your “when.” Subsequent to the ratification of the full faith and credit clause, there have been a number of AMENDMENTS to the Constitution, including the 14th, which prohibits the states from denying their citizens equal protection of the law and charges Congress with enforcing that prohibition. Congress cannot “prescribe an effect” of the full faith and credit clause which allows the states to apply it differently to couples who happen to be of the same gender.

  29. Wobbly Rails

    End to government licensed marriage is ideal, but equality is a good thing in the meantime.

  30. From Der Sidelines

    Solomon Grundmann with his latent gayness, as evidenced by his overly hostile projection of the opposite onto others, needs to simply STFU and get a man and a room.

    The DOMA ruling is the correct one.

    If one chooses homosexuality, then one also chooses heterosexuality.

    If a homosexual relationship is a threat to you, then you have some serious mental problems, or your own relationship is very weak and in need of help.

    Ever notice that the pro-lifers are that way only until the 4th or the 73rd trimester?

  31. Don Grundmann

    It is truly both amazing and saddening to see the shameless corruption which the supporters of pervert marriage display in their comments here.

    As I document at CandleCrusade.org the Homosexual/Sodomy Movement is in full attack mode against the children of our nation. Such an action would have been unthinkable in previous times but the moral collapse of our nation, as so well illustrated by opposing comments in simply this thread, illustrates how deeply the citizens of our nation have accepted being Socially Engineered into being docile parrots who will willingly betray the future of the our nation; specifically by allowing little children to be prostylitized into acceptance of sodomy; in order to protect their stupid and utterly corrupt egos; i.e; claiming they are not ” bigoted ” when they are indeed bigoted against Christianity and the principles upon which our nation was founded.

    More specifically the comments express one aspect of perhaps the most fundamental problem – the collapse and eradication of men in our nation.

    Bottom Line – No REAL man could or would EVER allow the Homosexual/Sodomy Movement to advance one inch in its war against children as illustrated at CandleCrusade.org.

    Yet what do we have – An army of feminized eunuchs who not only allow the attack but endorse it and even attempt to justify it under the utterly sick cover of ” civil rights.”

    Well my feminized wimp responders I present the following advice for your possible ( while probably impossible ) recovery/redemption – ” grow a pair.”

    An inexact phrase but the essence is that you stop being the sick, contemptable, spineless cowards that you are and finally BE A MAN!

    You God forsaken bastards can’t even stand up to defend children from being mentally ( before it happens physically ) molested by the Homosexual/Sodomy Movement!! There are no real words to describe how utterly contemptable and monstrously sick you all are.

    A REAL man would be utterly ashamed to defend homosexuality and any, much less all, of the actions which the Homosexual/Sodomy Movement is doing!! BUT NOT YOU!!! You revel in your support of degeneracy and preen your feathers for defending perversion which in past days would have aptly been seen as total depravity.

    While hell thankfully awaits you as your reward for choosing the religion of The Enemy of God as your anti-Bible I and many others will stop your spread of degeneracy and evil in the here and now.

    May God NOT have mercy on your soul.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman Constitution Party of California

  32. Don Grundmann

    As a P.S. to your spineless pathetic fart commentaries I note that the Homosexual/Sodomy Movement has already started carrying your ” they are born that way ” to its logical conclusion.

    As I have documented at CandleCrusade.org there have already been ” scientific conferences ” ( in Baltimore for just one ) that state that child molestors are ( wait for it ) BORN THAT WAY!!!

    According to the ( pervert and pervert paid ) ” experts ” child molestors are born with their ” sexual orientation ” favoring sex with children. Therefore any attempt to stop them is simply harming and ” stigmitizing ” them. English translation – Their attempts to molest children are ” natural ” and the people who have the real problem(s) are anyone who works to stop their ” natural expression.”

    Bottom Line – any attempts to stop child molestation will be met with the very same arguments that are now used to support homosexual marriage – A) Only ” religious bigots ” will oppose their ” natural expression ” since they are ” born that way;” B) to deny them the ability to molest children is to deny their ” civil rights;” C) they deserve their ” constitutional rights ” to ” express their true sexuality ” in any way they wish; D) who says that children are harmed by molestation? Only religious bigots and/or outmoded ” old fashioned ” morality/books like the Bible; E) how can you deny the freedom of child molestors to ” love ” children any way they want to? How do you know that it harms the children? Maybe they will like it! You have no right to deny them the ” freedom ” to experience such ” true love;” F) You have no ” right ” to impose your religious beliefs/bigotry upon children – especially when it stops them from experiencing the ” true love ” that only a molestor, and not even their parents, can give to them; G) Ten dozen other similar sick and totally depraved arguments.

    Yes, you sick bastards – this is EXACTLY what you are fighting for!! And you God forsaken SOB’s will defend it to the death rather than ever admit how truly sick you are for defending and promoting such depravity and degeneracy.

    Isn’t that right Paulie? And ” From Der Sidelines?” And ” Wobbly Rails?” And ” Matt Cholko?” And ” zapper?” And ” Nick Kruse?”

    Not a man among you. But don’t feel alone. The nation is overrun by your fellow cowardly feminized castrated eunuch comrades who will crawl on your belly and lick the bottom of your masters/controllers shoes to get approval for your pathetic egos. You will betray anyone and anything in your revolting and totally nauseating attempts to be something, ANYTHING, other than the pathetic waste of carbon that you are.

    There is little that is more digusting than feminized; i.e; fake; men.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman Constitution Party of California

  33. Don Grundmann

    ” From Der Sidelines ” – Pro-lifers build unwed mothers homes, soup kitchens, water treatment facilities, orphanages, food banks, REAL health clinics ( as compared to fake ones like Planned parenthood ) and all the other things to support human life at all ages that pro-death/abortion bastards like you NEVER do.

    All that you sick monsters do is support the shredding/killing of the unborn and you don’t do A DAMN THING for children after they are born. ONLY pro-lifers support children both born and unborn at ALL PHASES OF LIFE.

    I write this because I am sick of your pro-death lies being repeated over and over with not a shred of facts to back up the claim and in total defiance and denial of reality.

    Stop lying. As if that is actually possible for a scumbag rodent like you.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman Constitution Party of California

  34. Robert Capozzi

    33 DG: any attempts to stop child molestation will be met with the very same arguments that are now used to support homosexual marriage

    me: This is why Jesus (reportedly) said, “Forgive them, for they know not what they do.” DG is clearly out of his mind here, filled with paranoia that crowds out his right mind with catastrophizing scenarios that are simply not there. This inability to discern manifests in massive logic leaps that anyone with eyes to see would see.

    Same-gender marriage is peaceful and consensual. Child molestation is not, as children cannot consent. That’s why virtually no one is calling for legalizing molestation, but millions are support changing/evolving the law to accommodate the obvious fact that same-gender couples exist and have existed for thousands of years.

    Unable to discern this distinction, DG won’t even engage on this point. He instead levels vengeful condemnations at those he disagrees with. Only through a combination of bullying and venting can DG return his mind from severe, debilitating paranoia to an exhausted, sanctimoniously angry state, which appears to him to be an improvement.

    Medication is indicated. Seek help now. I have concern that a major cardiac episode is likely in the short term.

  35. From Der Sidelines

    Gee, it appears that Donnie boy almost blew a cartoid there going off on his usual rants, hiding his latent urges under a blanket veneer of rage and projection, not to mention stereotypes and broad-based generalizations that are more laughably pathetic than anything else. He makes the dateless Milnes look rational and insane Trotskyist look sane. He even makes Zionist Cohen look personable and webfly Crapozzi look non-argumentative.

    Ah well, maybe Grinderman blowing off steam will be good for his overall blood pressure. He could do better on that if he simply got a room and guy and blew it off a different way. Seriously, Donnie needs to get laid in a very bad way…

    But that’s not likely to happen, because his own denials–of equality, of the understanding of love and commitment, and of his own latent urges–only serve to make him and his party a joke worthy of only sad head-shaking and scorn through satire. It’s what happens when one overdoses on the Biblical Kool-Aid…

  36. Don J. Grundmann, D.C.

    RC #35 – I have documented at CandleCrusade.org the entire unfolding process of proceeding from legalization of pervert marriage to mass acceptance, via Social Engineering of child molestation which itself will be declared ” The New Normal.” As documented even the United Nations is involved as the international spear point of the Homosexual/Sodomy war machine in contrast to their more local efforts which I have also documented such as having Gay-Lesbian-Bisexual-Transgender-Queer clubs in ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS!!; a monstrous occurance and attack upon children which of course you won’t give a damn about.

    The entire purpose of the legalization of pervert marriage is not as an end in itself but, as documented at CandleCrusade.org, is intended to lead to the real end goal of the Homosexual/Sodomy Movement – societal and cultural acceptance of child molestation as ” normal and natural.”

    Attempts to legalize child molestation now are, as the Homosexual/Sodomy Movement war machine knows, far too early; i.e.; it is ” bad P.R. ” to attempt at this time since the populace has not been rendered sufficiently docile ( like yourself ) yet to allow such monstrous plans to come to fruition.

    But the Homosexual/Sodomy Movement knows that they have ever increasing numbers of drones/parrots/moral degenerates such as yourself, Paulie, etc. who will run interference for them and provide protection of their growing war machine until the time when they can openly declare their true objectives.

    Hence my analysis of the situation is ” spot-on ” but of no care to those such as yourself who will defend the monstrous attack of the Homosexual/Sodomy Movement upon the children of our nation without the slightest interference of conscience for even a nanosecond.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman Constitution Party of California

  37. Jill Pyeatt

    Grundmann–who would CHOOSE to be gay and suffer intolerable attacks by crazy psychopaths like you? And where did pro-life come in here? Why do you assume accepting same-gender marriage makes someone a person who believes in abortion? Soon I believe there will be technology available to find many things about a fetus in utero. This will be a toughie for you–abort the fetus, or allow another “perverted”life top enter the world?

    Don, I’m really, really sorry you were molested as a child; only someone molested would be so apoplectic about an issue that doesn’t otherwise concern you. I’ve been praying for you, but I see I haven’t done so enough.

  38. RevFatsax

    Wow, Paulie, I applaud your answers, Jill I feel ya, bigots get me riled up too. This Grundman is a class A vicious self important blowhard with latent homo tendencies and a vile self hatred. Sir, if you spent half your time working on bad hetero marriages, you would be doing more good for marriage than all the railing idiocies that have escaped your unmuzzled mouth. Gays are not a gateway drug to pedophilia, and the bible has more straight attrocities than gay…so maybe you should concentrate on the actual problem with religion…because it isn’t the gays that are ruining your life…it is your illogical adherance to a model of life that defends brutality and intollerance while advocating more jesus like actions…without actually having to live more like jesus. The constitution (that thing that is in the name of your party) is clear that marriage is not an enumerated power…along with the line “all men are created equal”…where the hell do you get the idea that you can discriminate against anyone? your bible doesn’t trump the constitution…it doesn’t…trust me…the constitution is written by men who wanted to set their country free from oppression and hatred…the bible is the opposite of that…it is a book written by men who wanted to enslave the masses through fear of the unknown. Well…we have science now…so you should check out some other books.

  39. Robert Capozzi

    DG, exceptions don’t make for rules. Or, as the Jackson 5 taught us, One bad apple don’t spoil the whole bunch….

  40. Don J. Grundmann, D.C.

    Paulie – In regard to #46, homosexuality has nothing to do with genetics. People cannot change their skin color. Homosexuals can be healed of their emotional pathology.

    Hiding behind genetics – ” we were born that way ” – is yet another part of the Social Engineering program that has so successfully recruited and organized the parrots/drones/anti-Christians such as yourself to defend the monstrous attack of the Homosexual/Sodomy war machine which is now, and will exponentially increasingly do so, attacking the children of our nation.

    Of course ( as I mentioned above ) the logical continuance of the ” born that way ” lie is now starting to play itself out as the child molestors will ” come out of the closet ” and claim that they too are also ” born that way ” and so any opposition to them is automatic bigotry and hatred. You know, the same lines that you will ( and are already doing ) parrot for them.

    Bottom Line – you and your fellow parrots could care less about such monstrous attacks upon children.

    And so we begin to reap the rewards of hating our Creator/God and embracing His Enemy via a love of evil.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman Constitution Party of California

  41. paulie Post author

    homosexuality has nothing to do with genetics

    You can assert that, but it still isn’t true.

    And even if it was true, as others have noted, it wouldn’t matter.

    What part of “consenting adults” do you not understand?

  42. Robert Capozzi

    49 dg: “pathology”

    Me: I recognize this as an assertion, yet I see zero proof, or even an attempt at one.

    Now,I happen to find “hate” to be pathological, since I’d maintain we’re
    brothers and sisters, meant to love one another.

    You give every indication of hating consensual behavior. Do you?

    If yes, then my tough love stance is that on this matter, you are pathological. Consider. Rereading the Sermon on the Mount to cure youself.

  43. Don J. Grundmann, D.C.

    Jill – A) The emotional trauma of hating/resenting parents destroys the original identity of children and allows a pathological replacement to develop which manifests in countless different pathologies for the afflicted person throughout their existence, one of which is homosexuality. Just as alcoholics can drink while also knowing that they are destroying themselves, homosexuals can indulge in their pathology and be too weak to escape the ” gravity ” of their soul infection. For homosexuality is indeed a soul infection and the only way by which they can be saved is that God can give His Grace to the afflicted so that they may be healed. But the key is that they must seek God and their healing for which they must repent of their embrace of the evil of their pathology.

    B) I stand in defense of the children of our nation against their emotional, spiritual, and literal molestation. For doing that you term me a ” psychopath.”

    In the previous history of our nation 99.999999% of the citizens would have stood with me as the defense of children from the monstrous Homosexual/Sodomy Movement would have been as automatic as breathing. In our Socially Engineered culture and society where the men have been spirtually castrated ( like Paulie as just one example among zillions ) this situation is now being reversed and the defense of children is claimed as ” bigotry ” and ” hatred.”

    How easily the cattle herd can be controlled and molded by the Plantation Masters of our nation.

    C) Pro-life entered the discussion via the parroted slander/lie against it by another castrated eunuch ” From Der Sidelines.”

    D) Belief in or support of abortion is anti-Christian. Belief in or support of homosexuality is anti-Christian. They are hence harmonious anti-Christian positions.

    E) Homosexuality has nothing to do with physical DNA so there will never be a time when anyone could desire the evil of an abortion to stop a pervert from being born. Perverts/homosexuals are manufactured after they are born.

    F) I was not molested.

    G) I am naturally concerned ( as all normal/whole/healthy people are ) about the war upon children which is being planned and conducted by the Homosexual/Sodomy Movement. Everyone else should be and would be except that Social Engineering has produced a docile populace that at best is neutral and far worse is openly supportive of the Homosexual/Sodomy Movement in its war against humanity.

    Who will stand up for the children in this war against and to kill their very soul? Certainly not eunuchs like Paulie. And certainly not you.

    Perhaps you should pray that God may heal you of your emnity, spite, and contempt toward Him.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman Constitution Party of California

  44. paulie Post author

    Grundmann exemplifies projection and denial. His name and photo should be next to those terms in the dictionary.

  45. Don J. Grundmann, D.C.

    ” Consenting adults ” can do whatever they wish. When they work to make their pathology into public policy and force the children of our nation to be indoctrinated into it as a belief system this is a completely different, and totally evil, action.

    I have documented the plan and the war against children at CandleCrusade.org. But why read? Especially when your personal belief in, allegiance to, and love of evil is challenged and exposed?

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman Constitution Party of California

  46. Wobbly Rails

    ” Consenting adults ” can do whatever they wish.

    Like get married? Glad we agree!

  47. Don J. Grundmann, D.C.

    As I document at CandleCrusade.org the legalization of pervert/homosexual marriage is the keystone which will enable the war machine of the Homosexual/Sodomy Movement to launch their all-out attack upon the children of our nation.

    Castrated eunuchs like yourself will cheer on such an attack.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman Constitution Party of California

  48. Wobbly Rails

    “Castrated eunuchs like yourself”

    Talking to yourself is not a sign of good mental health, Grundmann.

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