Alex Pappas at the Daily Caller:
The Daily Caller obtained a letter sent from Johnson’s attorney, Alicia Dearn, asking the Philadelphia District Attorney’s office to investigate allegations of attempted bribery and false impersonation of an FBI agent.
“Based on what I have been told by witnesses, it is my opinion that the Pennsylvania Republican State Committee has engaged in Watergate-style dirty tricks, in an attempt to keep Gov. Johnson off the ballot,” Dearn wrote in the letter dated Oct. 1.
The allegation is that the Republican Party hired a private investigator to prove that signatures submitted by Johnson’s campaign were falsified.
A judge has ruled that Johnson has enough signatures to stay on the ballot, though Republicans are challenging the ruling.
Dearn said this investigator — who either implied or gave the express-impression that he was an FBI agent — offered $2,000 to Johnson’s campaign volunteers to testify that they had falsified signatures. The complaint also accuses the investigator of threatening prosecution for not cooperating.
It’s pretty much over. If the courts were going to intervene they would have done it by now. Grundmann is not going to get 100,000 + registrations. Seidenberg isn’t going to reconcile. Grundmann’s side is pretty much screwed.
And, yes, most people here I am quite sure are sick of the both of them perpetuating their feud endlessly, even if Grundmann does have a valid grievance.
“From Der Sidelines // Oct 14, 2012 at 9:11 am
Seidenberg and Grudnmann need to get a room and vent their mutual hostility towards each other in private. We don’t need this perpetual dick-measuring contest here.
52 paulie // Oct 14, 2012 at 9:17 am
Agreed.”
I don’t blame Grundmann for being pissed off. I think that this battle is far from being over.
Some people here may get sick of hearing about it sometimes, but as long as this situation continues it is a relevant news story for this website.
Agreed.
Seidenberg and Grudnmann need to get a room and vent their mutual hostility towards each other in private. We don’t need this perpetual dick-measuring contest here.
Andy – The Southern Poverty Law Center, Anti-Defamation League, and Republican Party ( their ” Establishment ” branch ) have millions of $ at their disposal for such a cause. Yet because they have no intention of presenting their own message but rather to destroy the ability of their pro-America opponents to express their views they decided on the ” economy ” route of simply having the Robinson Crime Syndicate, their moles/agents, file fake documents with the state to accomplish their objective.
Result – Millions of dollars saved which can then be used to fund the army of treasonous lawyers, and make other back-door payments, to assure that their criminal actions succeed.
So the ” Bottom Line ” is that committing criminal acts like fraud is quite profitable. This is especially so when law enforcement lets such criminality slide since they have far more important things to do; like appearing in front of TV cameras as with the case of our Attorney General, Kamala Harris.
I have reported the Robinson Crime Syndicate to the FBI, the Attorney General, and local law enforcement but since they either get no direct benefit from stopping the Syndicate and/or actually agree with ite goals and tactics they have done nothing to stop them – yet.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman Constitution Party of California
“Don J. Grundmann, D.C. // Oct 13, 2012 at 1:49 am
Paulie – Criminality and treason can never be confronted, exposed, and challenged enough until they are stopped.”
Hijacking a party’s ballot access in California, so the supporters of that party’s National party have to regain ballot access is a pretty big deal. Regaining ballot status in California could easily cost $1 million. Coming up with the money to fund a paid voter registration drive of this size, and then conducting the drive, is far easier said than done. Getting enough volunteers to get this many voter registrations is just not realistic. It would take thousands of volunteer hours and most people just don’t have the time to do that. Even a combination of a volunteer voter registration drive and a paid registration drive would be extremely difficult.
Just putting a presidential ticket on the ballot in California as independents currently takes around 177,000 valid petition signatures, and that number is likely to increase by the time the 2016 election comes around. Heck, this could easily end up costing around $750,000, maybe more.
Who has got that kind of money to sink into this?
Timothy – The true intention of the Robinson Crime Syndicate; for which Mark Seidenberg is their ” bag-man ” in connection to his controllers of the SPLC, ADL, and Republican Establishment; has never been to build up the AIP but rather to kill it yet leave the corpse standing. In this way they can attract and fool well meaning patriots to waste their time and energy ( thus frustrating and exhausting them into giving up ) in trying to build up what is now in fact controlled by their deadliest enemies. Their additional secondary benefit, which is of prime importance to their controllers, is to kill the conservative 3rd party message in the nation.
Hoefling is, like the Mafia example of dealing out ” territories ” to supportive underlings, going to use his ” nomination ” to get a fake ” street cred ” as a fake conservative so that he can copy his master Alan Keyes, and swindle people via fake fundraising activities.
For Hoefling this is just a step in the process of building his retirement home inTahiti via endless fundraising letters as he pretends to advance conservative causes.
That is part of how this criminal enterprise/syndicate operates.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman Constitution Party of California
Paulie – Criminality and treason can never be confronted, exposed, and challenged enough until they are stopped.
The criminality and evil of Robinson and Seidenberg is just the tip of a criminal enterprise that affects all of us via their tie-in to keeping the established political powers that be in their positions of rulership over us all.
This goes way beyond their criminal actions in filing fake documents.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman Constitution Party of California
Mark Seindenberg, if you are serious about advancing your party then you should start building up your party. Tom Hoefling should start making some campaign appearances in the state that he is on the ballot for.
Don Grundmann
Today I voted for the ticket of Thomas Hoefling
for POTUS and Dr, Robert Ornelas for VPOTUS.
I find you lie that I am an agent for the “Republican Romney” in the same degree
as your claim the Ed Noonan is friends of
DEMONS.
I am also not nor ever have been an agent of SPLC or ADL.
I also do not use “Fake Telephones” for attending meetings of the AIP State Central
Committee. One thing good about AIP State Central Committee meetings you will not find
Don Grundmann present, because the last date
he was on the AIP State Central Committee was
September 2, 2008.
Now Don Grundmann is calling an other former
State Chairman of the American Independent Party a “moral and literal criminal” which is an
an out and out lie.
Again end the name calling and act like a civil
person and you might get your Constitution
Party of California a few more electors. You are
now at 252 electors. Your goal should be try conduct a registration drive for the Constitution
Party of California and get 103,004 electors.
Don “Three Dates” Grundmann stop the attacts
on the last four chairman of the American Independent Party.
Nightgale did qualify for the ballot, by her campaign manager had to collect a lot more
signature of AIP votes, because 50% were no
good in San Bernadino County.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman
American Independent Party of California
Don
I’ve read both sides of that ad nauseum in the comments here before.
Andy/Paulie – The Robinson Crime Syndicate; of which Mark Seidenberg is an agent for the SPLC, the ADL. and the Republican Romney ” moderates;” knew that it was far easier to file fake documents with the state and hence falsely seize control of the AIP than it was to A) start a new party, or ( especially ) B) convince/persuade other members of the party to support their position.
They knew that they were incapable of articulating their pro-war and pro-UN positions in order to persuade people and in fact they had ( and still have ) no intention of taking over the party to accomplish anything positive but rather intended to take it over in order to stop the growth and advancement of the Constitution Party; this in service to his/their masters/controllers of the ADL, SPLC, and Republican pro-war and pro-UN Establishment. The AIP is now exactly what they intended it to be – a false/fake front intending to draw well meaning conservatives into their spiders web so that their efforts may be drained and their enthusiasm exhausted; i.e.; it is an intentional ” dead-end ” in order to defuse any true conservative opposition to the establishment moderates of the Republican Party.
Mark – A) Chelene qualified for the ballot. B) She defeated your fellow moral and literal criminal Mark Robinson.
She is a true patriot and not a traitor to the nation and enemy of humanity as with yourself and your fellow Mark.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman Constitution Party of California
Yep, some petitioners are better than others. It matters a lot who does it and how.
Paulie,
That is what happened in California in 2010. Nightengale campaign manager was batting about 50%.
When I do it I get over 90% good signatures.
One see I saw Grundmann people do was not
control addresses by counties.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg
Vice Chairman, American Independent Party of
California.
If you get people that are not good professional petitioners or well trained, you get half that are no good. I get maybe 10-20%, sometimes less that are no good.
Looking back at the 2010 campaign for ballot qualification of C. Nightengale for Governor of California. 50% of the nomination papers her
campaign manager submitted in San Bernadino
County were no good. That was from persons claimed to be registered AIP.
I have seen how the Constitution Party handled
registration and nomination paperwork in several states and know they can not handle it
properly.
The Constitution Party registration in Califorrnia is handled by Dr. Don Grundmann. They are still below its all time high of 254 at 252 electors.
Don Grundmann is the main problem the Constitution Party of California has only got
to 252 electors in California.
He speaks for our former State Chairman, Ed
Noonan, as befriending “DEMONS” and its not
even Halloween yet. He asserverates that I am
a criminal with no proof. He claims that the AIP conducts meetings via “fake phone” and as a delegate to the 2008 Convention of the American Independent Party in Sacramento, he claims that he was locked out of the convention hall, because he has not learned how to open a door. The only good thing Grundmann did was walk out of that Convention, so Dr. Alan Keyes got a 100 % vote for POTUS.
Thank you Don Grundmann for leaving the Convention in 2008, so Dr. Alan Keyes got a 100% vote on the first ballot.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, American Independent Party of California
I think Mr. Seidenberg realizes this.
“Why not just spend your time working to bring that number up to the required 103,004 electors
from your current 252 California electors.
If you do that the Constitution Party of California would be ballot qualified.”
Getting an unqualified party ballot status in California is very expensive. I don’t see any realistic way that could be done with all volunteers. Reality is that they’d have to hire people and the cost could exceed $ 1 million.
I know that Americans Elect used the petition method to qualify as a party in California. That petition requires a little over 1 million valid signatures. Americans Elect spent several million dollars on this petition drive.
Mark – Your #18 comment is your typical ploy of ” acting dumb ” to avoid admitting your corruption. You have gotten away with your criminality to this moment. You will still be stopped.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman Constitution Party of California
Libertarians Urge Philadelphia DA To Investigate Republican “Watergate-Style” Dirty Tricks
More than a half dozen contractors paid by Libertarians to gather nominating petition signatures have independently reported that a private investigator hired by Republicans offered them substantial sums of money to testify in court that they had obtained signatures fraudulently. This appears to have been part of the attempt by Republicans to disqualify thousands of signatures in a court hearing, thus forcing Governor Gary Johnson, Libertarian candidate for President, and the other statewide Libertarian candidates off the November ballot. However, following an entire day of testimony, the judge disqualified very few petitions on various technicalities, but ruled that signatures had not been obtained fraudulently and that the vast majority could be counted.
Today, Libertarian Party of Pennsylvania Chair, Dr. Tom Stevens, joined the Gary Johnson campaign in urging the Philadelphia District Attorney to conduct a thorough investigation. “This reeks of Watergate-style illegal tricks,” said Stevens. “The allegations tend to gain credibility when so many non-Libertarian Party circulators come forward, reluctantly, with substantially the same accusation. There is a whole lot of smoke here, and we suspect there may also be a fire,” he continued.
Statewide Libertarian candidates were required to file nominating petitions containing at least 20,601 signatures, far more than most states require and many times the number the old parties must file. In past years, the requirement has been as high as 60,000. On August 1, Libertarians filed petitions containing over 49,000 signatures, more than twice the number needed. A week later, Republicans challenged about 40,000 of these.
The challenge has required Libertarians to defend their petition signatures in a 9-week battle against everything the Republicans and their high-priced gang of lawyers could throw at them. Yesterday, Libertarian attorney Paul A. Rossi announced that, as of the end of business Saturday, more than the required number of signatures had been verified as valid. Barring anything unexpected, the entire Libertarian slate of candidates should remain on the ballot. Additional valid signatures should be verified as the process continues through Tuesday. A final ruling from Commonwealth Court Senior Judge James G. Colins is expected then.
“I screamed bloody murder and got money from the LNC and the Johnson Campaign for an additional 15,000 signatures but we were required to hire the same crew. We barely made it even with the new petition signatures. I handled the situation the best way I could and it has taken up almost 6 months of my life.”
None of these extra expenses or extra hassles in time would have been necessary if the job had been done correctly from the beginning.
When I became State Chair of the LPPA in April,, 2012, I discovered defects in our petition and John Karr, my newly appointed Election Committee Chair, told me the validity rate on the petitions was low. I checked over 10,000 signatures myself in VIDAS and I was getting a validity rate of 43%. Others, including those spot checking at the Board of Elections and those responsible for hiring the circulators, claimed the validity rate was 60% to 70%. I screamed bloody murder and got money from the LNC and the Johnson Campaign for an additional 15,000 signatures but we were required to hire the same crew. We barely made it even with the new petition signatures. I handled the situation the best way I could and it has taken up almost 6 months of my life.
LP had more raw signatures, more money and volunteers to fight the challenge, and more money to cover the court fees if worst came to worst.
CP backed down because they had less ammo on all those counts.
It is possible they could have won but they did not have the ability to deal with the consequences if they had lost.
Re: 3
The Libertarian Party of Pennsylvania faced the same sanctions, fees and costs threatened by the GOP and we stood firm. I rallied our candidates so they would not bail (since they were facing financial liability personally), which was not easy. We got a great lawyer who argued legal issues the Constitution Party failed to raise. We sought the volunteers we needed to defend the petitions every day for 9 weeks and thanks to the efforts of all, it looks like we made it.
You do not know me. Caving is not a word in my vocabulary. Do or Die is more my style.
Not if you hire petitioners who don’t suck.
And not if you have the ability to spot check validity as you go.
No chance of that as far as LP. The money is there, the registration drive will get paid for. Most likely from the national level. And most likely once again enriching a middleman and squandering the opportunity provided to build the party.
Nope. Most of the registrations will most likely come from college students, people who move frequently, previous non-voters, former Democrats and non-partisan (whatever Decline to State is called these days), and in general anyone willing to check the box so the petitioner can make a few bucks and/or to keep another choice on the ballot.
It won’t have much at all to do with ideology or actual voting patterns.
At least, not the way it is most likely to go down.
“Mark Seidenberg // Oct 7, 2012 at 7:35 pm
One needs about twice the number if the signature look good at first blush.”
One does not necessarily need twice the number of signatures if the validity is good.
One needs about twice the number if the signature look good at first blush.
I hope Paulie is correct. I am however concerned that P&F and LP will not make it
by 2014.
California needs more than one third party with
ballot status. AIP is the only third party that is
in the run beyond 2014.
I see the key is how well they do with libertarian
registered Republicans and American Independents in reregistration efforts.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party of California
“zapper // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:35 pm
@22
… if the circulators had been properly selected, trained, and managed.
Never pay for questionable sigs nor for incomplete lines on the petition form.
Never.
The circulators learn immediately to screen out non-registered voters and submit, legible, valid signatures with all data completed if the paymaster is tough.”
The real problem in PA was that good, experienced Libertarian petitioners were turned away and an exclusive monopoly on the job was handed to one person who hired non-libertarian mercenaries, some of whom had never petitioned before. Several weeks went by before anyone bothered to check their work. A diligent LP member in PA did end up checking their work and this person found out that the validity was bad. This only happened AFTER around 35,000 plus signatures had had already been paid for. The solution to this was to hire the same crew to go out and get more signatures. Nobody ever had their pay docked.
If only proven petitioners, and mostly proven petitioners who were actually libertarians, had been used on the drive, the validity rate would have been much higher.
If you stick to only hiring proven petitioners, or even better, proven petitioners who are also libertarians, the validity rate is going to be much higher, and you don’t even have to really babysit them to get them to produce a higher validity rate, they’ll just do it, because that’s what they do.
Typically on petition drives (say in initiative states like California, Washington, Colorado, Massachusetts, etc…) a minimum validity rate is set by the coordinator. It is usually around 70-75%. If a petitioner has validity that is at or above the 70-75% validity rate they get paid on all of their signatures – minus a few cross offs. If a petitioner has validity that is below 70-75% then they get docked, as in come in with 50% validity then only get paid on 50% of your signatures, and so on and so forth. A petitioner who has bad validity on several turn ins may end up getting fired, but even if they don’t get fired their pay will get docked, and they will be less likely to get called for work on future petition drives.
LP will pay for a registration drive, and will stay on the ballot, but will almost certainly do it in a grossly suboptimal way and waste a great opportunity to use it as a jumping off point for multifaceted and sustained party growth.
However, I could always be wrong about that last part. Please surprise me.
If the CP did anything like there normal screw up in registation drives, I can see what is hand has gone wrong in PA.
As for the LP they need to get started by now to get electors in California. By the numbers I project in the Governor Race in 2014 in California, the LP might not make it and could
lose their ballot status in California.
Paulie is correct it would be a real trick for the
Constitution Party to go from 252 electors to
103,004 electors in California to get ballot
qualified.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party of California
Yep. Not filling in the years on the dates alone made this much more drawn out than it needed to be.
@22
… if the circulators had been properly selected, trained, and managed.
Never pay for questionable sigs nor for incomplete lines on the petition form.
Never.
The circulators learn immediately to screen out non-registered voters and submit, legible, valid signatures with all data completed if the paymaster is tough.
The original 35k should have been plenty to get 20.6k valid.
“Gene Berkman // Oct 6, 2012 at 9:17 pm
Wobbly Rails – we do not know if the validity rate is bad enough to criticize the people who organized the LP petition drive.”
Gene, we do know that the validity rate was bad. If it was a good validity rate then this challenge would have been settled a while ago, with the Libertarian Party of Pennsylvania easily winning. In fact, it is quite possible that the signatures would not even have been challenged in the first place if the validity rate was good. Note that in Pennsylvania potential challengers can examine the signatures before they challenge them. The Republicans probably examined the signatures and realized that the validity rate was low and therefore thought that they had a good chance of knocking the Libertarian Party off the ballot. Even if they didn’t the fact remains that the Libertarian Party would have won the challenge weeks ago if the validity rate was higher.
It has already been acknowledged by Libertarians who worked on the validity check that the validity was not good.
If the Libertarian Party makes it on the PA ballot, it’s only because they turned in way over the legally required number of valid signatures. Note that they turned in around 50,000 to meet a requirement of 20,601 valid.
Gene,
Sorry it did not go through the first time
http://pomegranatephone.com/
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg
Vice Chairman, American Independent Party of
California
Gene Berkman
For over four years I have been reading posts by
Dr. Don Grundmann claiming the AIP conducts
meeting by “fake phone”.
I therefore thought you would find of interest the Pomegranate Phone.
Note that Hazel Nut can pass through.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party of California
Don “three dates” Grundmann.
1. Your last date on the American Independent Party State Central Committee of California was
on September 2, 2008.
2. The American Independent Party of California did not nor ever have a phone central
committee meeting nor a meeting by a “fake phones” either. For over the last four years, I
have been telling you that we do not use “fake
phones” during the meeting process. Please
stop you lies and go away. You have your 252
electors in the Constitution Party of California.
Why not just spend your time working to bring that number up to the required 103,004 electors
from your current 252 California electors.
If you do that the Constitution Party of California would be ballot qualified.
If you do talk to Deemer, please ask him to return the parties treasury funds from the bank
account. AIP is not there to fund the Constitution Party of California.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg,
Vice Chairman, American Independent Party of California
Mark – Relative to your lies which you continue in your above comment – 1) Did you participate in a phone central committee ” meeting ” of 5 people ( out of 17 members total ) on Friday, June 27th, 2008? 2) Did those 5 people ( including you ) take a ” vote ” to disaffiliate the AIP from the CP? 3) Did Ed Noonan and Mark Robinson file papers with the Secretary of State office based upon that supposed ” vote?”
Of course the answer is YES to all 3. And of course you lie ( as always ) by claiming – in the PRESENT tense – that the AIP has no phone meetings while you were a participant in the criminal conspiracy phone call of 2008.
You and Mark Robinson – always lying and always liars. What a tragedy for our nation that we have utterly corrupt sub-humans such as you and Mark Robinson who are willing to betray the nation for your own ” 30 pieces.” Judas Iscariot may have died but his spirit, in service to the enemy of God, continues on in traitors and enemies of humanity such as yourselves.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman Constitution Party of California
“we do not know if the validity rate is bad enough to criticize the people who organized the LP petition drive.”
It was around 40% in Philly (ask the county or state LP chair after the challenge is over, I’m sure you will be hearing a lot more about that then).
This is even though 66% of Philadelphians who are eligible are registered voters.
Obviously, the petitioners did not ask them if they were registered voters or if they had moved since the last time they registered. Luckily for LP we won on the latter issue, although that is being challenged.
This is confirmed directly by petitioners I know who worked with the same crew in NYC and saw them first hand in action. They do NOT ask people if they are registered voters, they intentionally get bad validity and habitually lie about what the petitions are about, and they encourage each other and new people that sign up as petitioners to do the same.
The same behavior was observed in Chicago. Luckily we did not get challenged in NY or IL because neither one is a swing state or we could have been screwed for ballot access in those large states as well.
Granted the Republicans are giant bastards for bringing these challenges against equal voting rights.
But the Libertarians acted stupidly and against their own interests in hiring middlemen who pocketed half or more of the money and hired people off the street at extremely low rates who are not professional petitioners or libertarians and who did a terrible job.
The LP did not save money by doing this, they just made some petition middlemen a lot of money. And as a result they had to get another 15,000 or so signatures on top of the 35,000 originally contracted and paid for just so they could sit in court for ten weeks and now hopefully make the ballot by the skin of their teeth.
OBTW, when the giant gaping validity problem in Philly was discovered, the “solution” was to hire that very same crew to get even more signature. Does that sound like smart decision making to you? In any business…if someone screws up a job for you…do you pay them more money to fix it, or do you insist that they fix it at their own expense or get someone else to do it?
“We do know that Republicans across the country have tried to challenge ballot access for The Libertarian Party and The Constitution Party, because they are afraid their candidate is going to lose. And in fact everything points to Mitt Romney losing in November.
When Mitt Romney loses, it will not be because Gary Johnson “stole” votes from him. Mitt will lose because people don’t want to vote for him.”
That’s all 100% true, but it no way contradicts anything I said.
Wobbly Rails – we do not know if the validity rate is bad enough to criticize the people who organized the LP petition drive.
We do know that Republicans across the country have tried to challenge ballot access for The Libertarian Party and The Constitution Party, because they are afraid their candidate is going to lose. And in fact everything points to Mitt Romney losing in November.
When Mitt Romney loses, it will not be because Gary Johnson “stole” votes from him. Mitt will lose because people don’t want to vote for him.
Aren’t the Libertarians having all these problems in Pennsylvania because they hired the same low validity crew out of Philly?
Granted it looks like they will be on the ballot now, but it cost a tremendous amount of money and time to get another 15,000 or so extra signatures and then have ten weeks of legal challenges and line by line petition checking in court involving dozens if not hundreds of volunteers.
All that time and money that could have been put to better use if they had only hired petitioners who do the job right.
And as for the Constitution party it looks like they will have wasted 100% of all their time and effort because they dealt with this crew.
Gary Odom said: “Finally, Jim Clymer didn’t ‘cave.’ He actually wanted to go forward, but because there was a very good chance that we were not going to resurrect enough challenged petiton signatures from the Philadelphia portion of the drive to meet our needed goal, the great majority of the other state party leaders (and many of them were present at the challenge those two days in Philly) as well the counsel representing us, felt that the wisest course was to give us.”
This would not have been necessary if the petition drive had been handled better. There’s simply no excuse for validity that bad out of Philadelphia. I’ve looked up the voter registration statistics for the entire state of Pennsylvania on a county by county basis, and Philadelphia is actually not bad as around 66% of the people there are registered voters. The fact of the matter is that the petitioners there were not doing a good job of screening people who signed, and that nobody was checking to see if they did a good job at this. This is in-line with the average in Pennsylvania which is around 65-67% of the population being registered voters. This is a lot higher than say California where only around 47% of the people are registered voters, or Wyoming where only around 37% of the people are registered voters.
The Constitution Party of Pennsylvania turned in 35,000 signatures to meet a requirement of approximately 20,600 valid signatures. This should have been plenty, and it would have been with a decent validity rate. Heck, the validity could have gone all the way down to 59% and the Constitution Party still could have made the ballot in Pennsylvania. Note that the industry standard for what is considered to be a good validity rate usually cuts off at 70-75%.
Bottom line: if a better job had been done with the petitioning, the Constitution Party would have easily made the PA ballot this year with 35,000 raw signatures.
Don Grundmann has not been on the AIP State
Central Committee since, September 2, 2008.
Therefore, he could not vote at a State Central
Committee meeting on anything. All AIP Central
Committees had quroms and the meeting can be
on line. There are no telephone meetings of the
AIP.
It is good to hear that the Constitution Party of
California with its 252 Electors “will change the
death of the 3rd Party Conservative Party Movement in California”. Will that be before
or after the Constitution Party of California get
ballot qualified with it 103,004 electors registerd in that party?
While Grundmann works to get his party with
1003,004 ellectors from his present 252 for the
whole State of California, The American Independent Party of California is the POTUS
and VPOTUS ticket of Hoefling/Ornelas will
be on the ballot this November. 2012.
The bottom line is Don Grundmann can not tell
the truth. His claims are false. The American
Independent Party of California is growing and
we are far better off since Dr. Grundmann was
saked by Ed Noonan as an AIP Area director
in early 2008.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party of California
Mark – You did not file the false documents. You simply had your stooge Ed Noonan do it for you so that you could claim ” plausible deniability.” Yet you can’t even claim that since you were part of the fake central committee phone meeting of 5 people ( out of 17 total members ) who ” voted,” while deliberately keeping all of the other members ” out of the loop,” to disaffiliate the AIP from the CP. Hence you, as part of the minority conspiracy, are directly involved in the crime since the filing of the fake documents with the Secretary of State office was based upon the supposed ” vote.”
Your criminality, which has been documented at TheCorruptionOfAlanKeyes.blogspot.com., has resulted in the death of the 3rd party conservative movement in our state; a condition which has allowed great tragedies to occur and be in development because of the total corruption of you and fellow criminal Mark Robinson. These are tragedies which your SPLC, ADL, and Republican ” moderate ” friends fully endorse in their, and your, treason toward the nation.
The Constitution Party will change that as we expose the now corrupted AIP as the criminal enterprise which it has become.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman Constitution Party of California
I think perhaps you meant to address that to Dr. Grundmann, not to me?
That would be quite a trick.
Paulie,
I am not know nor ever have been an agent or mole of either the Anti-Defamation League or the
Southern Poverty Law Center.
I do recall that before I worked for the United
States Government in the mid or late 1970’s, I
was employed for a short time by the Los Angeles County Republican Party. At one event,
I was the representative of my employer, J. William Orozco, then the Chairman of the Los
Angeles County Republican Party. However,
I ended those ties many years ago. I am a recovering Republican!
I have never committed fraud nor filed false documents with anyone.
Ed Noonan is a good man and he is not a friend
with any demons!
Grundmann needs proof that Noonan befriended
demons. I know the demons will be coming out on HALLOWEEN with their Trick or Treat Bags.
My advise is these demons stayaway from Grundmann because he might think that the
demons would want to marry with humans.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party of California.
P.S. With Grundmann as Chairman of the Constitution Party of California with its 252
electors, do you think the party will be growing
very much by the Novemeber, 2012 election or
that it will be able to get the 103,004 electors needed to quilify for the California ballot any time soon, like Halloween, 2012?
Dearn said this investigator — who either implied or gave the express-impression that he was an FBI agent — offered $2,000 to Johnson’s campaign volunteers to testify that they had falsified signatures.
I have heard the same allegation from professional petitioners who worked on the PA campaign.
John Schmitz who at the time was Richard Nixon’s Representive in Congress, was just upset
that Nixon was coming back from China.
Well, that’s one thing Schmitz was right about.
Paulie
On May 14, 2012, Robert Walters made an article in the Orange County Register’s Total
Buzz for an article entitled “George Wallace Mailer For Pauly Draws Complaint” by Andrew Galvan at a posting of 4:49 p.m.
What Gary Odom thinks and what the true was
are far apart. Early in 1972, I was a member of
John Ashbrook delegation for POTUS. John Schmitz was head of the Ashbrook Delegation.
After Ashbrook lost in California, the AIP picked
Congressman Schmitz of Orange County California. At the time I was living in Seal Beach
on Ocean Avenue and if I recall correctly John
Schmitz was my Congressman. At the time many
on RINO’s were upset with Richard Nixon going
to Red China, John Schmitz was not upset at all
that Richard Nixon was going off to Red China.
John Schmitz who at the time was Richard Nixon’s Representive in Congress, was just upset
that Nixon was coming back from China.
In 1972, I was backing John Schmitz for POTUS.
Now I am backing Tom Hoefling in 2012 for POTUS.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party of California
The ” GOP inspired operation ” that attacked the AIP and which Gary refers to has Mark Seidenberg as the central figure who brings together the Republican Party, Southern Poverty Law Center, and the Anti-Defamation League of which he is an agent/mole of all 3. Of course the key was to commit the crime of fraud and file fake documents with the Secreatary of State office; a criminal act in which he partnered with his fellow mole/agent/criminal Mark Robinson and stupid fool coward liar Ed Noonan.
Noonan, who idiotically accused the Constitution Party of being anti-Mormon, recently got a reward from his demon friends for his Benedict Arnold treachery against the AIP as they chose their own preferred lair/criminal/traitor Tom Hoefling as their candidate over the now washed up and flushed down the toilet Noonan who had served his purpose of being the useful idiot which they needed to commit their criminal act.
So Mark Seidenberg knows all about the GOP ” old tricks ” as he is the current leader of their ” new tricks ” division – the one that commits criminal acts, like filing fake documents with the state, to achieve their treasonous ends. It is a ” division ” with a tremendous amount of money ( any amount needed ) behind its criminal acts and which is the ” tip of the iceberg ” of a criminal enterprise which is at the core of the attack against our Republic and all that it stands for.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman Constitution Party of California, the true and only conservative party within the state
What Mark is talking about is true, though I think he was working, at that point, for the same Republicans (as he was an ardent Nixon supporter) then who were trying to knock the AIP off the ballot.
What he references was a completely ludicrous plan that involved CREEP giving $10,000 to an operative named Robert Walters who had been involved in the AIP in the 68-70 period. Some of that money was given by Walters to Nazi Joe Tomasi to try to get people to re-register out of the AIP and back to the GOP. They got nowhere with this idiotic scheme. Eventually Walters and Tomasi ended up suing each other in small claims court. The AIP registration in California actually went up during the period in question AND reducing the registration would not have had any impact on the 72 election anyway (which CREEP, Walters and the Nazis apparently did not understand) because the AIP had one candidate, Tom Goodloe, an El Dorado County Supervisor, who received over 2% of the vote for Secretary of State against Jerry Brown and James Flournoy in the 1970 General Election, sufficient to keep the party on the ballot through 1974.
Actually the GOP inspired operation that succeeded in stripping the AIP from its actual historical leadership and longtime faithful party workers in 2008 was much more clever than the goofy plot by CREEP and the Nazis.
Finally, Jim Clymer didn’t “cave.” He actually wanted to go forward, but because there was a very good chance that we were not going to resurrect enough challenged petiton signatures from the Philadelphia portion of the drive to meet our needed goal, the great majority of the other state party leaders (and many of them were present at the challenge those two days in Philly) as well the counsel representing us, felt that the wisest course was to give up the challenge fight and not risk the imposition of attorney fees. I know. I was there.
No one was happy about this, but the CP or PA leaders have re-doubled our commitment to change the ballot laws in PA and to increase the size, strength and outreach of our party in the state as a result of this painful and frustrating experience, so there is some silver lining.
More details please.
Yep, paying that $100,000 plus fine is enough to scare people off.
This is not to the level of Watergate-style. If the GOP was up to their old tricks they would be
funding the Nazi’s like they did in 1971-1972
in California to remove the American Independent Party of California off the ballot.
They however got Clymer to cave in for the PA
Constitution Party and giving up a ballot spot for
Virgil Goode.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, American Independent Party of California
Will be filed by the DA under “Don’t care”.