Alexander Snitker of Libertarian Party of Florida Responds to IPR’s Conversation of September 14

This was sent to me by Mr. Snitker for the purpose of posting here on IPR

Regarding the Conversation between myself, John Wayne Smith, Vicki Kirkland and David Hester on September 14th 2013.

My name is Alexander Snitker and I am the Vice Chairman of the Libertarian Party of Florida. This letter is being written to fully explain a conversation that took place on September 14th 2013. Before that I would like to inform the readers with a little history so that you will have a better understanding of this unfortunate situation.

I first met John Wayne Smith during my campaign for the US Senate in 2010. At that time I was running as a No Party Affiliation candidate. He was running as the Libertarian Candidate for Governor. JWS, Sean Concannon, Mike Barr and others talked to me about running as a Libertarian candidate instead of a No Party Affiliated candidate. Their arguments for this were enough to convince me to switch over to Libertarian and I believe still that this was the best decision that I made.

While me and JWS maintained a good relationship and did many events together there were others who were involved in my campaign that did not get along with JWS and JWS did not get along with them. At this time it was not really a distraction for the campaign as we were all focused on the campaign.

I understood that these people did not always get along and considering that human relationships are like this I did not give it any more attention that just bickering amongst members of a group. This happens in any organization.

The reason that I wanted to tell you about this part is that you understand that at some point I got along with JWS and that you understood why I approached him yesterday to talk and to see if we could come to some kind of understanding.

I arrived at the Volusia county organizational meeting and saw that JWS and Vicki Kirkland were in attendance. The meeting was smooth and from my understanding JWS was positive in the meeting and was adding positively to its formation. It was at that time that I thought it would be a good idea to talk about all the issues going on to try to calm the disruptive situation going on with the Libertarian. I thought at this point putting out one last olive branch could help this situation.

I am fully aware that the environment within the LPF right now is not conducive to growth and before we complain about the other parties we must get our own house in order. As one of the leaders in this organization it is up to us to solve this no matter who we think is in the wrong and I was hoping that a calm conversation where we listened to each other instead of yelling would help.

We stepped outside and talked. I explained that we all understood that we were all in this party and in order for us to move forward, while we may not like each other, we need to start acting in a civil matter for the betterment of the party.

I asked JWS what his concerns were and at that time he brought up three main topics. He indicated that many people in the EC were, in his words, breaking the law. He brought up Danielle Alexandre, James Tall, Adrian Wyllie, Lynn House, Dana Moxley Cummings Jared Grifoni, Bill Wohlsifer and Jeremy Hale. I attempted to explain that the issue regarding reporting was addressed by the Florida election commission and the results of this case were that the LPF was in the right and the state of Florida was in the wrong. This was not a sufficient answer for him and at that time I indicated if he still had concerns that we should all start using specifics in a clinical way to avoid a heated exchange and to try to come up with a positive solution.

The second issue that he indicated was the Franklin Perez filing fee issue. I reminded him that, even though I did not personally like Franklin, I did speak on his behalf that the EC should return the money. Adrian Wyllie, who was the Chair of the Libertarian Party, did not agree with the decision either but because of his fiduciary duties as the chair was forced to defend this decision that the EC made and defended the LPF in the court case that Franklin made. JWS and Vicki Kirkland, who was a member of the EC at this time, stood by Franklin and against the EC in support of this lawsuit. This part is only mentioned to ensure that everyone has a complete understanding of the facts.

I then explained to JWS these facts and that at the last convention this issue was addressed and now the by-laws are clear and that any candidate who runs as a Libertarian will receive their portion of the filing fee back.

JWS third issue that he is not happy with is the vetting process currently in place. I informed him that this decision was made by the delegates at the last convention and no matter how we feel about this we must respect the wishes of the delegates. He did not accept this answer and still refused to be vetted by the LPF even though I assured him that anyone who is actively supporting another candidate on the EC would abstain from voting.

Overall I believed that this was a productive conversation and he indicated at that time he would think about calming down the situation. I see that this is not going to be the case, however I will remain calm and will not allow others to distract me from my duties of growing the party and suggest that others do the same. We must not let these distractions waste our time. At this point I am going to include A Libertarian’s New Year’s Resolutions written by Harry Browne, the 1996 & 2000 Libertarian Party Nominee for President. It is my suggestion that we all read this and work toward becoming the kind of people that he describes in it.

A Libertarian’s New Year’s Resolutions

I resolve to sell liberty by appealing to the self-interest of each prospect, rather than preaching to people and expecting them to suddenly adopt my ideas of right and wrong.

I resolve to keep from being drawn into arguments or debates. My purpose is to inspire people to want liberty — not to prove that they’re wrong.

I resolve to listen when people tell me of their wants and needs, so I can help them see how a free society will satisfy those needs.

I resolve to identify myself, when appropriate, with the social goals someone may seek — a cleaner environment, more help for the poor, a less divisive society — and try to show him that those goals can never be achieved by government, but will be well served in a free society.

I resolve to be compassionate and respectful of the beliefs and needs that lead people to seek government help. I don’t have to approve of their subsidies or policies — but if I don’t acknowledge their needs, I have no hope of helping them find a better way to solve their problems.

No matter what the issue, I resolve to keep returning to the central point: how much better off the individual will be in a free society.

I resolve to acknowledge my good fortune in having been born an American. Any plan for improvement must begin with recognition of the good things we have. To speak only of America’s defects will make me a tiresome crank.

I resolve to focus on the ways America could be so much better with a very small government — not to dwell on all the wrongs that exist today.

I resolve to cleanse myself of hate, resentment, and bitterness. Such things steal time and attention from the work that must be done.

I resolve to speak, dress, and act in a respectable manner. I may be the first Libertarian someone has encountered, and it’s important that he get a good first impression. No one will hear the message if the messenger is unattractive.
I resolve to remind myself that someone’s “stupid” opinion may be an opinion I once held. If I can grow, why can’t I help him grow?

I resolve not to raise my voice in any discussion. In a shouting match, no one wins, no one changes his mind, and no one will be inspired to join our quest for a free society.

I resolve not to adopt the tactics of Republicans and Democrats. They use character assassination, evasions, and intimidation because they have no real benefits to offer Americans. We, on the other hand, are offering to set people free — and so we can win simply by focusing on the better life our proposals will bring.

I resolve to be civil to my opponents, and treat them with respect. However anyone chooses to treat me, it’s important that I be a better person than my enemies.

34 thoughts on “Alexander Snitker of Libertarian Party of Florida Responds to IPR’s Conversation of September 14

  1. Steve M

    This 28 Paragraph statement still fails to address the question of the questionnaire?

    Was the questionnaire presented to the State Convention? or was it added to the vetting process after the state convention.

    If it was added during the state convention show us the minutes of that convention.

    If it was added after the convention show us the minutes of the executive committee that added it.

    If it was added by the “Electoral Victory Committee” which under the Florida Libertarian Party Standing Rules is the only committee that the executive committee can delegate the authority to vet candidates for political office too.

  2. Dana Cummings

    Libertarian Party of Florida
    Candidate Questionnaire

    Please check off each yes or no (agree or disagree) and write short synopsis why.

    ?STATEMENT OF PRINCIPLE: ??The Libertarian Party of Florida does not believe in or advocate the initiation of force to achieve social or political goals.
    Yes [ ] N [ ]
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    ??PREAMBLE: ??Libertarians seek a society based on personal liberty and responsibility—a society in which all individuals are sovereign over their own lives. This most desirable method of organizing society is the natural order that arises when the unalienable rights of individuals to life, liberty and property ownership are respected and protected.
    ?People have the right to engage in any activity that is peaceful and honest, and pursue happiness in whatever manner they choose so long as they do not forcibly or fraudulently interfere with the equal rights of others. Libertarians welcome the peace, prosperity, and diversity that freedom brings.
    Yes [ ] N [ ]
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    ?I. STATE GOVERNMENT ???1. In the absence of a declaration of war by the United States Congress, for any purpose other than natural disaster relief, we oppose any use of Florida troops by the federal government without the approval of both the Florida Legislature and Governor.
    Yes [ ] N [ ]
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    2. Individuals have the right to defend themselves and others. We oppose any law that dilutes the right of any citizen to own a firearm or other means of self defense. We support any laws that further the rights of both concealed weapon permit holders and all Citizens of Florida to openly carry arms.
    Yes [ ] N [ ]
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    ?

    3. We endorse the Tenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which reserves to our state and its people all powers not expressly delegated to the federal government by the U.S. Constitution, or prohibited from the states or the people by the U.S. Constitution.
    Yes [ ] N [ ]
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    ?4. We support Equality under the Law, and condemn any law that either rewards or punishes any individual based on race, ethnicity, religion, gender, or any other group identification. Each person has the same inalienable rights. It is the States duty to protect those rights for each individual equally.
    Yes [ ] N [ ]
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    ?5. State government should be removed entirely from the licensing process, including occupational licensing. It has produced no better results than private licensing and amounts to another tax. For example, marriage licenses are contracts between individuals and should be left to the individuals, their attorneys and religious officials, without the need to pay the state for a stamp of approval.
    Yes [ ] N [ ]
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    ?6. We advocate a sunset law requiring an automatic end to most government offices, agencies, departments, laws, regulations, taxes, and expenditures within ten years if not reauthorized.
    Yes [ ] N [ ]
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    ?7. We oppose immunities for any public officials or employees for illegal acts or omissions. Like any citizen, they should be subject to criminal prosecution and held liable for any injuries caused by their actions.
    Yes [ ] N [ ]
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    8. Sunshine laws should apply to all public employees working in any public place. With modern technology virtually every person has the ability to record and report on the actions of our public officials and workers. There should be no laws prohibiting or limiting the electronic recording and reporting using any means of any public official, including law enforcement officers, while performing their duties. Yes [ ] N [ ]
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    9. The Libertarian party of Florida opposes the participation by the state of Florida in the Real ID Act or similar federal identification database mandates. Yes [ ] N [ ]
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    ??II. ELECTIONS ???1. The only electoral duty of the State government should be providing for fair and efficient conduct of elections. Political parties, like any private voluntary group, should be free from government control and allowed to establish their own rules for nomination procedures and conventions. All taxpayer-funded subsidies to candidates for public office and political parties, including primaries and conventions, should be eliminated.
    Yes [ ] N [ ]
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    ?2. We support the addition of the alternative “None of the above is acceptable” to all ballots. We further propose that in the event that “None of the above is acceptable” receives a plurality of votes in any election, a new election shall be held for which none of the losing candidates shall be eligible. Other forms of voting should also be considered, such as instant runoff voting or proportional representation.
    Yes [ ] N [ ]
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    ?3. Campaign finance laws are unwarranted restrictions of free speech or association and should be repealed. Keeping in accordance with the tradition of all government being run in the Sunshine, we support making all political contributions public records.
    Yes [ ] N [ ]
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    ??III. COURTS ???1. The common law authority of a trial by jury preceded our constitution and is the foundation of our legal system. If a jury of peers deems a law unjust, oppressive or inappropriately applied, it has the right and duty to acquit the defendant. We support the right of defendants to a fully informed jury, which would require judges to instruct jurors of their authority to judge not only the facts, but also the justice of the law according to their own good consciences.
    Yes [ ] N [ ]
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    ?2. We support restitution for victims of crimes or civil infractions at the expense of the perpetrator. The victim should have the right to pardon the perpetrator, provided the victim is not threatened or coerced.
    Yes [ ] N [ ]
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    ?3. Private adjudication of disputes by mutually acceptable judges or mediators should be encouraged.
    Yes [ ] N [ ]
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    ?4. No-fault laws should be repealed because they deprive the victim of the right to recover damages from those responsible for causing harm.
    Yes [ ] N [ ]
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    ?5. The right of trial by jury should be allowed in all civil or criminal cases where the value exceeds one oz of gold.
    Yes [ ] N [ ]
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    ?6. The use of civil asset forfeiture to enforce laws circumvents constitutional protections and should be ended.
    Yes [ ] N [ ]
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    ?7. Random police roadblocks and other searches without probable cause bypass constitutional protections and should be prohibited.
    Yes [ ] N [ ]
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    ?9. We support equal treatment and oppose sexual discrimination in any judicial proceeding adjudicating a parental right, privilege or obligation concerning his or her child.
    Yes [ ] N [ ]
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    ??IV. PUBLIC SAFETY ???1. Law enforcement cannot guarantee individual safety. Self protection is a personal responsibility. All individuals have the right to defend themselves and to possess the means to do so, as guaranteed by both the federal and state Constitutions.
    Yes [ ] N [ ]
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    ?2. State prison facilities should be used only for the incarceration of individuals who have proven themselves a threat to others.
    Yes [ ] N [ ]
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    ??V. VICE LAWS
    ?1. Government should confine itself to protecting individuals from aggression, coercion and deceit. We oppose all laws and regulations that attempt to protect individuals from the consequences of their own behavior. While not necessarily condoning such activities, we advocate the repeal of all laws criminalizing gambling, possession and sale of drugs, and sexual relations between consenting adults. All those presently incarcerated or ever convicted solely for the commission of these victimless crimes should be pardoned and their records expunged.
    Yes [ ] N [ ]
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    ?2. Voluntary communities may enforce rules that prohibit certain activities to which all members subscribe, such as substance-free dorms.
    Yes [ ] N [ ]
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    ??VI. TAXES
    ?1. The legislature should find more voluntary means of supporting state services, such as lotteries and user fees.
    Yes [ ] N [ ]
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    ?2. Taxation of privately owned real property should be eliminated. In effect, it makes the state the owner of all lands by forcing individuals to pay rent to the state or forfeit their title.
    Yes [ ] N [ ]
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    ?3. The personal property tax on Florida businesses should be repealed. Yes [ ] N [ ]
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    ?4. Tax favoritism should be illegal. Abatements, subsidies, credits, or other incentives to businesses based on geographical area, job creation, or any other criteria deny equal protection under the law.
    Yes [ ] N [ ]
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    ?5. Sales tax on used merchandise that is resold results in double taxation and should be eliminated.
    Yes [ ] N [ ]
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    ?6. Adding sales tax to products already subject to specific state taxes, such as gasoline and cigarettes, should be ended. This practice results in double taxation, as consumers are paying a tax on a tax.
    Yes [ ] N [ ]
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    ?7. We oppose any sales or use tax on the Internet.
    Yes [ ] N [ ]
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    ?
    ?VII. ECONOMY
    ?1. We believe in the free market, thus the complete separation of the economy and the state.
    Yes [ ] N [ ]
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    ?2. No commercial enterprises should be granted legal monopoly status, including the so-called natural monopolies of electricity, natural gas, water supplies, telephones, and cable television. The Florida Public Service Commission should be abolished and all rate regulation in these industries ended. The right to offer such services in the marketplace should not be curtailed.
    Yes [ ] N [ ]
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    ?3. State regulation of industries such as insurance and communications, and professions such as medicine and law, should be ended. They should be regulated by trade or consumer groups.
    Yes [ ] N [ ]
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    ?4. The condemnation of private property for public use should only be allowed when necessary for the protection of the rights of the citizens.
    Yes [ ] N [ ]
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    ??VIII. WELFARE and CHARITY
    ?Providing for the needy by forcibly taxing others is contrary to the legitimate function of government, which is to protect the rights of everyone. Disbursing charity from a welfare system costs society more than it gains. It is inefficient, open to fraud and abuse, and creates resentment. Traditional, voluntary sources of emergency support from families, churches, and private charities have always been more humane, more effective, and willingly borne by the givers. Therefore, until the income tax is repealed, we advocate dollar-for-dollar tax credits for all charitable contributions to encourage a transition from public welfare to private support.
    Yes [ ] N [ ]
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    ??IX. EDUCATION
    ?1. Education is a parental responsibility and best handled at the most local level.
    Yes [ ] N [ ]
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    ?2. Because parents are best situated to decide what is in their own children’s best interests, we support all measures that enhance the educational choices available, such as charter schools, vouchers or tax credits for private school tuition, and home schooling.
    Yes [ ] N [ ]
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    ?3. Compulsory attendance and truancy laws should be repealed. Students cannot be forced to learn, and teachers should not be forced to act as juvenile delinquency officers.
    Yes [ ] N [ ]
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    ?4. All individuals, regardless of age, are entitled to the protections of the constitutions of the United States and Florida. Random drug tests, locker searches without probable cause, censorship of student publications, or any similar actions violate those rights.
    Yes [ ] N [ ]
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    ??X. ENVIRONMENT
    ?1. Aside from public safety, there is no greater concern for the people of Florida than having a safe, healthy environment. We look forward to the day when all property not required for police and court functions are returned to private ownership and control.
    Yes [ ] N [ ]
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    ?2. We call for the restoration of every individual’s ancient, common law standing to sue for trespass any individual, business, government or other group that pollutes his or her property.
    Yes [ ] N [ ]
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    ?3. We oppose creation of new government parks or wilderness and recreation areas. Such parks and areas that already exist should be transferred to non-government ownership. Pending such transfer, their operating costs should be borne by their users rather than by taxpayers.
    Yes [ ] N [ ]
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    ?4. We support efforts to hold all individuals, businesses and governments accountable for the pollution they cause.
    Yes [ ] N [ ]
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    ??XI. HEALTH CARE
    ?1. The most fundamental property right is an individual’s right to own and control his or her own body. All individuals have the right to determine their own health care needs and treatment. Government has no constitutional authority to interfere with the practitioner/patient relationship.
    Yes [ ] N [ ]
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    ?2. The right of people to extend or end their lives with dignity should not be infringed. We support the freedom to use living wills and durable medical powers of attorney.
    Yes [ ] N [ ]
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    ??XII. SECESSION
    ?We recognize the right to political secession. Exercise of this right, like the exercise of all other rights, does not remove legal and moral obligations not to violate the rights of others.
    Yes [ ] N [ ]
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    ??XIII. INCLUSION

    ?The Libertarian Party of Florida ratifies and hereby includes in this document the platform of the national Libertarian Party.
    ?XIV. OMISSIONS
    ?Our silence about any other particular government law, regulation, ordinance, directive, edict, control, restriction, regulatory agency, activity, or objections should not be construed to imply approval.

    Office use only
    Yes ____
    No ____
    Passed _____
    Scored by _________
    Date ___\___\____
    Comments

  3. George Whitfield

    Thank you Alex for all your hard work and focused effort on growing the Libertarian Party in Florida. And thank you for reaching out to John Wayne Smith for reconciliation. I am glad you joined the Libertarian Party and appreciate your participation.

  4. Mike Kane

    Funny Alex should bring all this up. He has blocked many members on Facebook and email.

    He is not transparent and this is the truth.

    He really is great at talking a big game and then doing the complete opposite (Much like any typical politician)

  5. John Wayne Smith

    Mr. Snitker acquitted himself well. He has came a long way in the last 4 years.
    (Sidenote: David Hester also has acquitted himself well in this, but I still have a few problems with him, he should strengthen his backbone and quit trying to be a part of the in crowd).
    There are issues I still have and I will always distrust Mr. Snitker as long as he is a part of the current in crowd.

    And as another side part to this issue. The current controlling gang of the LPF will literally cut your throat if one dares disagree with them.
    Well, I disagree with them and do not trust them any further than I could throw any one of them. I never will an will not stop disagreeing with them.

    This group contains many bullies including Dana Moxley Cummings, James Ray, Lynn House, Jermany Hale and Jared Grifoni. They can rot in hell for all I care.
    While there were a few people who acquitted themselves well for the most part the people on this facebook page are cyber bullies.

    You will hear more about this as time goes on.

  6. Dana Cummings

    “This group contains many bullies including Dana Moxley Cummings, James Ray, Lynn House, Jermany Hale and Jared Grifoni. They can rot in hell for all I care.”…..says the man accusing people of cyber-bullying….

    I can’t wait to hear more about it.

  7. Alex Snitker

    @ Mike Kane, It is true that I have blocked you on Facebook.

    Your abusive attitude and personal attacks toward me was the reason. I have decided to only communicate with you via the official LPF channels. I clearly explained this to you using your official EC email. The part above where you mentioned “He has blocked many members on Facebook and email.” is not accurate. I fully explained to you that email is available to you. You have freedom of speech but your words have consequences.

    This was of course before Saturday and if you read what I wrote, and what JWS can back up, is that I understand that people are not going to like each other but we should find ways to get along. If you would simply agree to this and start showing a little effort to be positive things would change for you. We need civility and it is time that you started to act in a civil manner.

    Mike, People are leaving the party and specifically blaming you. You really need to reevaluate your actions and find ways to be a positive and productive person.

    Continuing the insults to me with false statements will only get you where you are now.

    I am looking for something good and positive and looking for you to offer an olive branch. I have already offered it to you on several occasions. Now it is your turn.

  8. Alex Snitker

    I wanted the readers of IPR to see what is going on in Florida. I am happy that they posted this letter and will be sending more so that people can read them and come to their own decisions.

    We all know that there will always be personality conflicts. What I want the people to see is that there are those here who are trying to keep this civil.

    I have not always been civil but I reevaluated my actions and am making an effort to ensure that no matter what is thrown at me that I maintain a calm and professional demeanor.

  9. Steven Wilson

    Why does IPR enable this kind of bullshit?

    We go from one state craptown situation right into another one. And IPR tells every detail it can. Is gossip or opinion passing for news?

    Nevada, Oregon, Pennsylvania, and now Florida.

    IPR is becoming a bathroom stall. Just lame.

  10. George Whitfield

    Steven, I agree with you. This website is degenerating into a bad drama. Perhaps that is its intent: to promote third party dysfunction and provide a microphone for disgruntled people. I feel sorry for Alex Snitker, Adrian Wyllie and 99% of other hard working Libertarians in Florida who have to contend with this constant sniping while they are trying to be a beacon for liberty to the public.

  11. Alex Snitker

    Steve,

    This site has posted many emails that are not telling the whole story about the LPF in Florida.

    I felt it necessary to counter with another side of this. I would agree with you that this site should be focusing on great candidates, activism and other exciting news from all over the country.

  12. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    I posted this article as a request from Mr. Snitker. It appeared to me that what he had to say here was of value. I’m also concerned, however, about the direction this site has gone, and certainly admit that I have been part of the problem. What do our readers think? Should we put a limit on the number of inter-state articles and posts that we make? I honestly don’t know who the “good guys” are in Florida (not that it’s up to me to decide), and the requests I’ve received to post articles have been polite and seem to have value in what people have said.

    On the other hand, I think exposing problems within states have helped some states to get past their troubles. For example, I think the initial article about Dr. Tom Stevens last February was helpful in getting him to step down.

    Please post here or message us at IPR if you have an opinion on this topic.

  13. Jed Siple

    There’s been how many different posts about what’s happening in Florida? These don’t need to be separate articles. Post things like this letter in the comments section of the original article. There’s no need to clutter the site with drama. Such things should be reported on, but the main focus should be on promoting third parties & independents of all stripes.

    Cheers.

  14. Krzysztof Lesiak

    @12

    Then go the fuck away. No one is forcing you to be here.

    Like it or not, third parties are RIFE with infighting. It’s just what they do. That’s why it’s being covered.

  15. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    You know, Krzysztof, you’re a very smart young man, but grown-ups who wish to accomplish something in their lives usually discuss things a little better than “go the fuck away”. I know I’ve been rude here in the past, but I think we could all benefit by being more respectful to each other. I’ve been doing my best since I came back to IPR in August.

  16. Krzysztof Lesiak

    @19

    I’m sorry, but I’m annoyed by these comments. Yes, it is an immature thing for me to say. But IPR has covered the Nevada and Oregon fiasco in detail and now the same is the case with Florida. IPR exists to cover things like this. There’s plenty of other “positive” news out there.

    I do want to accomplish things in my life. That’s why I persuaded David Earl Williams III to run for Congress. We are going to win the GOP nomination. That is at least one Ron Paul Republican that is going to be on the general election ballot in Illinois. David is a libertarian who voted for Gary Johnson in 2012.

    Here is his website:

    http://www.dewforcongress.com

    His Facebook page (Please LIKE it):

    https://www.facebook.com/DEWforCongress

    DONATE here:

    https://secure.piryx.com/donate/MuuWhBVM/David-Earl-Williams-III-for-Congress/

    Actually, I have to confess that I’ve been skipping on reading the comments lately. It takes too much time and frankly there’s a lot of comments that I never even want to lay my eyes on.

  17. Jake Porter

    Jill,

    That is a difficult decision. On one hand, we want to promote the good things like Sarvis for Governor, and the important but sad things such as Admiral Colley passing away, and I think that as negative and hurtful as these stories about Oregon, Florida, Nevada, and Pennsylvania have been it is important to learn from and it gives us all a better idea of who we want or do not want in leadership positions.

    As for Florida, I don’t know. I think the lawsuit is a terrible idea, the vetting process creates unnecessary work and bad feelings, I think that a state chair insulting members on here is not productive no matter how bad of people she thinks they are, and I think Adrian is probably a good candidate. As far as who the good guys and bad guys are I think it is probably more complicated than good vs evil.

  18. Jake Porter

    Krzysztof,

    You are a great writer and will accomplish great things. Just remember that the world is really a very small place and you end up working with some people on different projects years later. I learned that lesson along with many other lessons the hard way. One time, a libertarian insulted something I worked on and I told him to “Run himself or find someone else to run”. He later on became a supporter of ours and I regretted saying that knowing that most people would hold a grudge and wouldn’t ever have joined us. He wasn’t right it attacking me, but my response to it only made things worse.

  19. Krzysztof Lesiak

    @22

    Thank you, Jake. I really appreciate that. I think you made a fantastic point. In fact, I’m going to save your comment. What you said applies not just to politics, but to pretty much everything in life as well.

    This isn’t important, but I went back to log on to Facebook and like your campaign page. I really want to see you do well in that race. Although I must bring to your attention that you accidentally added Bob Barr’s page to your favorites 😉

  20. Jake Porter

    Krzysztof,

    It does. Unfortunately, it took me years to learn it and many other things. For years, I drank too much, worked too much, and worried too much. I was always angry and it cost me in my career, personal relationships, and I was very difficult to be around much of the time.

    Many thanks for pointing that out. Didn’t realize that. For some reason it isn’t allowing us to unlike it though.

  21. Matt Cholko

    Judging by the number of comments that many of these FL infighting threads get, I’d say this is exactly what IPR readers want to read.

    That does not mean its the ONLY thing that they want though.

  22. Matt Cholko

    My comment, reposted from another thread, as this one seems more appropriate:

    I’ve gotta say, its pretty sad that the LPF leadership sees fit to air their dirty laundry on IPR and Facebook.

    LPF leaders keep saying that things are great in FL, membership is growing, and that the unrest is insignificant. However, based on what I read on here, it looks like the party is totally divided, the EC is a mess, and the party is run by a bunch of people that act like teenage girls.

    I’m sure that it isn’t nearly as bad as it looks on IPR. We just see that drama here, as the good stuff that happens within the party doesn’t make for interesting reading. So, I strongly suggest to all of you in FL that you consider what this looks like to others in the liberty movement. Think about this – if you read stuff like this about the LP in another state, would you send them a check?

    The same goes for candidates. Thankfully, in the case of LPF, Mr. Wyllie seems to have backed away from the drama in the last couple of weeks. I suggest that all candidates think even more seriously about playing in to the drama in public. If I spend my time on IPR soap operas today, and ask you for a check tomorrow, will you send me one? I seriously doubt it.

  23. Stephen

    Libertarians, a house divided cannot stand. Get along and fighting each other. No wonder the media doesn’t cover the LP.

  24. Dana Cummings

    Jill, The way I view the IPR is like the way I view OK Magazine or TMZ. I imagine that is probably not what you originally intended for this site to be, but it is essentially a tabloid site filled with gossip columns.

    I don’t necessarily think that it’s such a bad thing. People LIKE drama and gossip. Just look at all of the successful reality shows out there that do nothing but exploit willing participants. Thats what’s going on here, and there certainly seems to be a market for it. Anything that gets people involved and active is a good thing.

    I’d also like to say in response to @Jake Porter that becoming State Chair does not exempt me of my 1st Amendment rights. NOT ONCE have I initiated any ill words toward any member of the LPF. I have had my character, intelligence, and intentions unfoundedly attacked since the day I declared my candidacy for Chair. I am not a pacifist and I do believe in defending myself. If someone was insulted by me speaking in defense of myself, well, maybe they should add “feeling insulted” to their list of possible consequences detailing what may happen is they begin attacking people with unfounded rumors. I am a Libertarian first, the chair of the party second. I hope it stays that way.

  25. George Phillies

    @28 Your first amendment rights refer strictly and entirely to what various governments are allowed to do, not to what you should or allowed to say under your bylaws as state chair.

  26. John Wayne Smith

    Mr. Snitker is a good salesman. He had me sold on his wanting peace in the LPF while his gang of misfit bullies were trashing anyone who did not agree with them on Facebook. He was also encourageing people to block communications from a duly elected officer of the LPF.

    He sold me a bill of goods but he will not do it again. I think I have learned my lesson.

  27. George Whitfield

    I was so happy when I opened up Facebook after several days of reading this LPF infighting saga on IPR. On Facebook I read where Adrian Wyllie was campaigning around Florida meeting real voters and signing up new Libertarian Party members. How positive and encouraging. I feel better now. This IPR drama can be a real drag on you both mentally and emotionally. I need to keep perspective. IPR is good for some seasoning but you surely don’t want it to be your main menu item. If I just read the IPR posts I would have a very narrow and sickening view of the Libertarian Party. I am going to start supporting positive websites more.

  28. Warren Redlich

    As mentioned on another recent post, we would be happy to have more positive articles about third parties.

    Please send us your news. We don’t have paid staff or an investigative reporting team. Send it to us and it will usually go up as a story.

    @Chris – I’m not much of a role model, but please try to play nice in the sandbox. 🙂

  29. paulie

    I don’t always succeed, but I strive to be civil and encourage others to do the same.

    As for our mix of stories, there are plenty of positive stories and there could be more if people sent them to us and/or signed up as writers. Yes there is some of the infighting drama, but that is because it draws readership and discussion and because people are quick to alert us to it. Same as in the big league news…”if it bleeds, it leads.”

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