Resignation of Kurt Brackob as Treasurer of Libertarian Party of Nevada

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I am hereby resigning my position as Treasurer of the Libertarian Party of Nevada due to what I consider to be the unethical behavior of Joseph Silvestri and his cronies who, fearing their imminent removal from office at the upcoming party convention, have devised a plan to bankrupt the Party treasury before relinquishing office. Silvestri has called a number of secret executive committee meetings in recent weeks, in violation of Party by laws, of which I, as a member of the executive committee, was not even notified, nor was the party membership informed. He then demanded that I write a check to finance a postcard mailing campaign for an amount that would overdraw the Party’s bank account and leave it unable to meet its financial obligations. No sane person can justify spending $3900 on a postcard mailing campaign in a non-election year for a convention with a party membership of less than 100 members. In my opinion, Silvestri’s irresponsible behavior and his lack of leadership have done irreparable damage to the Libertarian Party in Nevada and nationally. I refused to issue such a check because I consider it is irresponsible and unethical to leave the party bankrupt regardless of who will take control. As a result, Silvestri has illegally tried to remove me from my position in one of his secret, emergency meetings which have become all too common in the Libertarian Party of Nevada under his leadership. What Silvestri fails to understand is that I do not care about the position and will happily resign before becoming part of a scheme to bankrupt the Party merely because he fears losing power. Unfortunately, I have witnessed the irresponsible and unprofessional behavior of the leadership of this party both now and in the past and refuse to take part any longer. As a result, my resignation will be effective at midnight on September 25.

68 thoughts on “Resignation of Kurt Brackob as Treasurer of Libertarian Party of Nevada

  1. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    Kudos to Kurt for making what was probably a tough decision to go public with this.

  2. David Colborne

    What I find interesting is how Kurt’s accusations pretty thoroughly mirror Brett’s, among countless others’ over the past few years. It’s almost as if we were telling the truth about Silvestri or something.

  3. Wes Wagner

    Once the LP has gone through the hard process of cutting out all the cancer, the recovery can begin.

  4. Daddyfatsax

    Good thing the LNC gave this crook all the rope in the world to hang himself. Perhaps National thinks we should just wait this out…and not file charges with the state. Good thing National didn’t handle this before it got to the level of fraud and embarrassment for the party. Thanks National…preventing this clearly wasn’t your first duty.

  5. Wes Wagner

    Daddyfatsax @6

    For one, national has no real authority to handle things like this outside disaffiliation.

    Further, as shown in some other state debacles (cough) sometimes national does not understand the situation on the ground and actually backs a republican-party-backed attempt to place a proxy regime in power.

  6. Daddyfatsax

    we begged for disaffiliation because we knew Joe was crooked. National had a DUTY to send an auditor in and take a look at the trail of fodder from Joes tirades. This type of activity is what kills the party and makes us start over. THANK GODS that Brett has been working for the party this whole time, so maybe we won’t be behind the eight ball, but I’d like the LNC to look into filing charges.

  7. Libertariangirl

    well , well , so another team mrember of joes does exactly what the rest of us have done , get tired of his tyrannical bullshit. Its ridiculous how the accusations are nearly axactly whatBrett was saying , or if you want to go back further , what myself and David and Duensing have been saying for years.

    Why didnt Silvestri want to do any mailing for advertising previously , hey thn only a cursory notification on the website was necessary.

    Make no mistake , Joe will do whatever damage he can muster before he is shown the door as Chairman of LPN. and you know what,money or no money , when we get ourparty back we WILL rebound , we WILL be successful AND WE WILL GROW.

    and maybe thn , just maybe joe silvestri will have no way out of the crushing clarity that he’s been the problem all along.

  8. Daddyfatsax

    I hope the last three friends of Joe realize…as members of the Excom, you have a fiduciary duty to the members of this party…you will be held responsible for all activity.

  9. Wes Wagner

    Daddyfatsax @8

    You need to win this fight on your own rather than running to national to win it for you. If you do not build up that strength, the next time a corrupt leadership is elected to the LNC, you will not be able to resist their placing a different proxy regime into your state.

    There are few shortcuts in life.

    I am glad to see that the people of Nevada are beginning to win this battle on their own — it means victory can be sustained.

  10. Daddyfatsax

    Wes, I get what you are saying…but months ago we knew what was happening, and petitioned for a shortcut..which was to disaffiliate…not a proxy regime. We had the votes…and now it is confirmed that Joe was cancelling the convention, not for the reason he used…but rather the truth, which was he was outvoted and wanted to scuttle the party.

  11. Oregon Libertarian

    Daddyfatsax @ 8

    There is no authority that any body or member of the LNC has that allows them to audit or otherwise interfere with a State Party Affiliate. All the LNC can do is bring up a disaffiliation vote to the entire LNC board.

    The LNC has no power of authority in regards to:
    – State Party Bylaws;
    – State Party Officers;
    – State Party Members;
    – State Party Membership requirements;
    – State Party Ballot access

    As for disaffiliation, it has to be “for cause” as per the LNC bylaws, and those cause are very narrow and defined. The LNC board cannot just disaffiliate a State Party just because the don’t like the chair or how they conduct business.

    LPN needs to fix this on their own, and Libertarians need to attend the Suncoast convention and put the people they want to lead the party in office. There is no otherway to do this.

  12. David Colborne

    LPN needs to fix this on their own, and Libertarians need to attend the Suncoast convention and put the people they want to lead the party in office. There is no otherway to do this.

    Agreed, which is what we were prepared to do in April. Then the LPN postponed the convention “until further notice”, which was finally defined as November 16th a week or two back.

    Realistically, if the LPN postpones the convention again, I think National will have enough of a case against the LPN to disaffiliate “with cause”, and we’ll have enough of a case with the SoS to confirm that the LPN is no longer an active political party and should no longer be recognized by the State of Nevada. Hopefully it doesn’t come to that – ballot access is a pain to get back once lost – but if that’s what it takes, then that’s what it takes.

  13. Daddyfatsax

    Oregon, I remember a certain document signed by 40 people (I forget exact number, but give or take…it was a majority if it were at convention) that detailed exactly all the reasons for disaffiliation…and not one of those reasons were “we don’t like joe”…they were detailed and if not criminal…then at least unethical and against the principles of libertarianism.

  14. Oregon Libertarian

    @ 16
    It does not matter how many people sign a petition, or what charges are on the petition, and if they are true or not.

    Here is the LNC bylaws that talk about the Cause for disaffiliation –

    ARTICLE 6, section 4:
    No affiliate party shall endorse any candidate who is a member of another party for public
    office in any partisan election. No affiliate party shall take any action inconsistent with the
    Statement of Principles or these Bylaws.

    Here is the section that says the LNC cannot do anything even if your State Leadership are poopy heads and don’t follow or change their byalws –

    Section 5:
    The autonomy of the affiliate and sub-affiliate parties shall not be abridged by the
    National Committee or any other committee of the Party, except as provided by these
    Bylaws.

    Even so, there is a rather lengthy trial process and then judicial committee review

    Section 6:
    The National Committee shall have the power to revoke the status of any affiliate party,
    for cause, by a vote of 3/4 of the entire National Committee. A motion to revoke the
    status of an affiliate party for cause must specify the nature of the cause for revocation.
    The affiliate party may challenge the revocation of its status by written appeal to the
    Judicial Committee within 30 days of receipt of notice of such revocation. Failure to
    appeal within 30 days shall confirm the revocation and bar any later challenge or appeal.
    The National Committee shall not revoke the status of any affiliate party within six months
    prior to a Regular Convention. The Judicial Committee shall set a date for hearing the
    appeal within 20 to 40 days of receipt of the appeal and shall notify all interested persons,
    which persons shall have the right to appear and submit evidence and argument. At the
    hearing the burden of persuasion shall rest upon the appellant. The Judicial Committee
    shall either affirm the National Committee’s revocation of affiliate party status or order
    reinstatement of the affiliate party. The Judicial Committee shall issue its ruling within 30
    days of the hearing and in no case later than 90 days prior to a Regular Convention.
    Failure of the Judicial Committee to rule within 30 days shall constitute an affirmation of the National Committee’s revocation of affiliate party status except when the last day of
    the 30 day period falls within 90 days prior to a Regular Convention, in which case the
    Judicial Committee’s non-action shall result in reinstatement of affiliate party status.

    Now the LNC could withhold any ballot access funding or any other ‘welfare’ they are doling out if they are contractually allowed to do that. I don’t think Nevada has anything like that going on, so the LNC has no leverage in this issue.

    The best course of action for the people of the LPN is to attend the convention and elect people who have a real plan and path to move the party beyond its current place.

  15. Rev fatsax

    One quick problem, what if the excom delays or cancels conventions, how do we overcome that? We arent fighting a rogue member, we are literally letting the party fall into a dictatorship. But dont let the requests of a majority of delegates begging for justice sway you from your perch…we, in fact, are handling this…just know that the lnc is now just a toothless body of gas, i have no desire to work with any group that is willing to stand by when its own members needed justice and fairness against a chair clearly abusing authority and initiating force on its members. If ineffectual is what the lnc was aiming for…bullseye.

  16. S Rowan Wilson MBA

    So, SSDD in SoNev.

    Yep.

    Nothing to see here…. move along. (So says LNC)

    Oh, I did. Best of luck to those in the midst of yet another LNC debacle.

    Sigh….

  17. S Rowan Wilson MBA

    Come build the party here in Washington as so many are around the nation; Pickens et al who also fled Kahlifornistan.

  18. George Phillies - Good News

    @18 Use of fraud for political purposes is a violation of the statement of principles, hence cause. Saying you have bylaws, taking money on the basis of those bylaws and the promise that donors are joining an organization following your bylaws, and lying about it, is fraud and hence grounds for disaffiliation.

    The current LNC is too busy buying the David F Nolan Memorial 2% of a Building to be concerned with this.

  19. David Colborne

    We have the LNC we deserve, not the LNC we need.

    The LP wanted a near-toothless LNC, one that was structurally and procedurally incapable of doing anything, and that’s what we got. I get the logic and I don’t mind too much, but if the barrier for action is so high that it can’t even act when a small group of people (the LP Nevada Executive Committee had a grand total of four people in it once Kurt resigned) take the rest of the Party hostage, well… that’s a problem. I’m not sure how to solve it in a way that wouldn’t lead to the national LP sticking its nose into other people’s business at inopportune times, but I’m certainly open to suggestion.

  20. Wes Wagner

    GP @21

    Even if they were not too busy, the LNC as a body has not shown that they have the deliberative acumen to separate friend from foe and the last time they tried to interfere in a state organization, they ended up paying money to a republican lawyer who was the son of the current republican vice chair to help the Oregon Republican Party attempt to place a proxy government into control of one of their affiliates.

    We can only count ourselves fortunate that they are also regularly incompetent.

  21. LibertarianGirl

    I must be the only Nevada person who thinks the LNC gave us a fair shake I guess. I attended the meetig where they listened for quite some time , asked a ton of questions and set down a time line for action. But , most importantly , THEY GOT IT , they all agreed with us , they all wished we would win , they’re all on our side and genuinely concerned , BUT…. their hands are tied in what they can do because of the bylaws and I respect that…….trust me , Lee Wrights and others dont approve of or like what Joes doing , but how do we say we want bottom up autonomy and then want National to step in and over -ride whenit’s not going our way. Discussion was started on perhaps having a national judicial commitee that can hear cases like this , and I think that would be an ideal outcome as to provide an avenue for fixing things like ours. LASTLY , its gonna be way , WAY more satisfying to … , on their terms , at a time of their choosing , on their court ,TO swiftly HAND THEM THEIR ASSES. way better than having daddy fix it for us.

  22. Steve M

    The Nevada Libertarian Party is required (by its bylaws) to hold a convention some time in odd number years to among other things elect party leaders and amend the bylaws. With the end of the year coming I would suspect that a threat of a law suite to force a convention and where the excon by not holding one might end up paying legal fees would tip their hand into losing an election. Now if the excon can convince a non-associated company to do a mailing for payment after the fact and go into dept of a couple of thousand dollars. Not likely….

    If some one on the excon writes a check for more then is in the reserves of the party then criminal charges are likely to follow.

    I think Wess is right… Organize Organize Organize and turn out as large a mob of Nevada Libertarian Party Members as you can and win the party.

    So….. I trust….. people are registered to vote as Libertarians? that they have payed there $50 dollars in dues at least 30 days before the convention and no earlier then 365 days before. That they have submitted a written statement that they oppose the initiation of force pledge?

  23. David Colborne

    So….. I trust….. people are registered to vote as Libertarians? that they have payed there $50 dollars in dues at least 30 days before the convention and no earlier then 365 days before. That they have submitted a written statement that they oppose the initiation of force pledge?

    Many people completed these steps before the last announced convention date, which was less than 365 days ago. We just have to remind them that they’re still members and that, this time, they should show up and vote.

  24. Dave Blue

    I seem to remember that Steve M was in Silvestri and Kurt’s. side when all the Nevada stuff started. What changed?

  25. Kris McKinster

    @2 & 9 Why is it interesting that Kurt’s accusations are similar to others, when he almost certainly read the other accusations online before formulating his own?

    “… fearing the removal of office…?” That’s speculation.

    “…. have devised a plan to bankrupt the Party treasury before relinquishing office. ” How would he know that if he wasn’t a part of those discussions? Also, this wouldn’t be the first time Silvestri spent a lot of money on postcards, right before a convention, and right to the point of overdrawing LPN accounts. I’m surprised you don’t remember that, LG.

    “… has called a number of secret executive committee meetings in recent weeks, in violation of Party by laws…” It sounds like those were not official LPN Excomm meetings (no announcement, no minutes, etc.), and so they are informal and not under the jurisdiction of LPN bylaws. Excomm members can meet with whomever they please, including eachother, and it’s none of anyone else’s business.

    What I find interesting is that Kurt turned against the very same “cronies” who defended him against the same lynch mob he is now parroting.

  26. Kris McKinster

    @18

    “One quick problem, what if the excom delays or cancels conventions, how do we overcome that?”

    Pass bylaws that don’t enable them to do that.

  27. Kris McKinster

    @22

    “… when a small group of people (the LP Nevada Executive Committee had a grand total of four people in it once Kurt resigned) take the rest of the Party hostage, well… that’s a problem. I’m not sure how to solve it in a way that wouldn’t lead to the national LP sticking its nose into other people’s business at inopportune times, but I’m certainly open to suggestion.”

    Well David, it’s fairly easy to overthrow “four people” at a convention and pass bylaws to prevent it from happening again. The current Excomm has given NO indication that it won’t be having a convention.

    So in this case it is a short-term problem that will be solved locally, albeit later than you’d like. Isn’t that the best outcome? Why should the LNC step in even if it had the power to?

    If the current Excomm didn’t have a convention by the end of the year, you would have a huge mess no matter what the LNC could do, unless it could somehow override LPN bylaws, remove Excomm members and replace them with others. Deaffiliation would not be enough, because the state of Nevada also recognizes the Nevada LP.

  28. David Colborne

    @28:

    @2 & 9 Why is it interesting that Kurt’s accusations are similar to others, when he almost certainly read the other accusations online before formulating his own?

    […]

    What I find interesting is that Kurt turned against the very same “cronies” who defended him against the same lynch mob he is now parroting.

    That was partially my point as well. Of all the people for Kurt to “copy in class” from, why would he copy from the “lynch mob”?

    Unless, of course, the lynch mob was actually right about Joe…

    @29:

    Pass bylaws that don’t enable them to do that.

    We’d love to. We were about to in April. That would require someone to hold a convention first, though.

    @30:

    Well David, it’s fairly easy to overthrow “four people” at a convention and pass bylaws to prevent it from happening again. The current Excomm has given NO indication that it won’t be having a convention.

    They gave “NO indication” they would postpone the last convention in April. Then they did, which was, as far as I know, unprecedented. Bear in mind that I checked with Jim Burns, who’s basically our unofficial historian at this point – he couldn’t think of anything like it from the ’70s, either, so I think calling the postponement “unprecedented” isn’t completely beyond the pale.

    So in this case it is a short-term problem that will be solved locally, albeit later than you’d like. Isn’t that the best outcome? Why should the LNC step in even if it had the power to?

    I actually generally agree with you here, though it’s still rather frustrating that we’re basically at the mercy of Joe and his moods. Thankfully, he’s feeling nihilistic enough at the moment to hold a convention – but what if he wasn’t? Short of either calling in the LNC or the SoS (I’d rather call the LNC, personally, if I had to choose between the two), he could just postpone the convention indefinitely, at least as long as he has support from the rest of the Executive Committee.

    If the current Excomm didn’t have a convention by the end of the year, you would have a huge mess no matter what the LNC could do, unless it could somehow override LPN bylaws, remove Excomm members and replace them with others. Deaffiliation would not be enough, because the state of Nevada also recognizes the Nevada LP.

    Quite true. As I’ve stated elsewhere here, any disaffiliation against the LPN would require us to call upon both the LNC and the SoS.

    **********

    Realistically, bylaws are only as good as the people called upon to live up to them. Even if we passed bylaws that forbade postponement, that would require both an Executive Committee willing to follow the bylaws and an enforcement mechanism with the power to ensure that compliance was carried out. Truthfully, even if we had a Judicial Committee, a “rogue” Executive Committee could still postpone a convention indefinitely if it chose to – it’s not like a Judicial Committee would have signing rights on the LPN bank account. I also don’t want to “manage by exception”, where we pass broad bylaws amendments to deal with a unique corner case that, hopefully, will never present itself again. However, I don’t think it’s terribly unreasonable to say that, yes, we have a problem – the Executive Committee shouldn’t be able to postpone a convention because they think they’re going to lose reelection – and, if there’s a solution to be found to resolve that, we should consider it.

  29. S Rowan Wilson MBA

    (Observation)
    Wow, so THAT’s where Kris McKinster has been hiding? Somebody inform his ex-wife and kids so she can get back involved if only to find WHERE to garnish his wages for all the back child support having never recd a penny.

    As it has been well established, the higher grade individuals have been RUN OFF by this group; we gave up and do other things w/ our lives.

    Sad sad sad all around…

  30. Steve M

    @27 David Blum,

    I am not on anybody’s side. I stand apposed to mudslinging politics. I stand apposed purging people from the party. I stand for the registered libertarian party members deciding who their party officers are. I stand for an open clean and transparent party!

    Nothing has changed. Instead of trying to force people out of the party I have been encouraging people to participate in the party. Win control of the party by clean means and turning out as many supporters as you can for the state conventions.

  31. Dave Blue

    Transparency would have required Silvestri and Kurt to admit to and discuss the pedophilia charges which were pointed out in the spring, steve. I’m just pointing out you’re inconsistencies.the registered members of the LP Nevada deserved answers from there elected officers which they still haven’t received.

  32. Steve M

    Dave,

    What you are pointing out is your lack of understanding. At the time I pointed out that just publishing a hit piece without bothering to talk to the target was poor journalism and bad politics.

    We here in the US have an expectation of trial by juries, to face ones accusers, examine the evidence and not be tortured to extract a confession. Romanian law at that time didn’t support any of those at the time.

    US law has also been modified since then so that a US citizen can be prosecuted here in the US as long as the country where the crime was committed allow the US access to the witnesses and evidence.

    We also here in the US do not support guilt by association…. Just because one person does something doesn’t mean their associates had anything to do with it or should be tainted by it.

    What happened back in the Spring was an attempt to pervert justice and then to make another person suffer for that justice.

    Nobody on this forum really cared about Kurt’s issue other then to use his case to attack Silvestri.

    That is what I objected to back then and still object to now. Back then I said get your supporters together and go to the convention and try to win by having greater support but don’t try and tear down the others through mudslinging and innuendo. I am still saying the same thing.

  33. Dave Blue

    Steve, guilt by association had nothing to do with the situation in the spring. There were serious, prove able allegations that a convicyedpedophile sat on the executive committee, which was considered inappropriate ny many of the state party’s members. They’re leaders who were elected by them utterly ignored they’re calls for transparency. That was in no way the right thing for Silvestri or brackob to do. You are twisting the situation TI be something different then it was.

  34. Daddyfatsax

    Steve: “What you are pointing out is your lack of understanding. At the time I pointed out that just publishing a hit piece without bothering to talk to the target was poor journalism and bad politics.

    We here in the US have an expectation of trial by juries, to face ones accusers, examine the evidence and not be tortured to extract a confession. Romanian law at that time didn’t support any of those at the time. ”

    1) we reached out to Joe, the excom, and Kurt for comment…did not get a reply.
    2) He was tried by a jury…there was no evidence in the UN Human Rights investigation of any torture.

    Also, we don’t support guilt by association, but we do have brains and can tell when something stinks and ask for answers…which we did…and did not get an answer until Fil responded with a generic letter saying the excom supports kurt with no other explanation.
    I still care about the issue…and would object to Kurt being involved in children’s charities as a rep of the LP Nevada. Did you say anything accurate in the last post?

  35. Daddyfatsax

    mea culpa…not sure if the Romanian trial went to jury…I think there was a plea…but regardless, it was not done in the dark…the media was ALL OVER this in Romania.

  36. Steve M

    Daddyfatsax…. back then 2004 or so Romania was and still is a major violator of human rights in their judicial system its well documented by Amnesty International. I will take their analysis over yours, any day, any time and any place.

    Now trial by media…. is that what you are suggesting…. the truth came out because of the Romanian Media? You sir, need to take a basic civics class and return your Citizenship in the Nation merit badge.

    Oh right Reverend Daddy you were all over exposing this and tying this to Silvestri because you were afraid Kurt would get involved in childrens charities.

    I believe you want to attack Silvestri using any method possible and damn the morals of doing so. Your comments came much much much earlier then the first mention of charities. Your motives are plainly visible.

  37. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    The fact remained that Silvestri had a duty to respond to his constituents and chose not to. That was wrong.

  38. Daddyfatsax

    Is that what I suggested Steve…please use quotes…because saying the media covered it is not a trial by media…I was saying how this was not an in-the-dark trial nobody knew was happening. but thanks for the assumption.

  39. Daddyfatsax

    The reverend fatsax did it all for the kids…I can go for hours on Joe’s misdeeds and not mention Kurt…but when he actively protected and went into hiding with this subject…it was concerning. So…do some research…get with the NSA if you have to, and see what I said, when I said it and in what order it was said. I think you will owe me an apology, but I won’t hold my breathe.

  40. Daddyfatsax

    I also, Steve, don’t think you can see a motive with where you store your head during your computer time.

  41. Oregon Libertarian

    @ 25
    There have now been two cases brought before a court that accused the officers of not following the bylaws. In both cases the courts dismissed it citing the First Amendment clause. In short the courts are saying, “do not bring your factional fights before us.”

    Now if the convention is yet again postponed, then do what the Oregon crew did way back then and send out letters and DVD’s to all the members in the state that explained what sort of hanky business that the State Party was in to. The result of that was to dry up all funding, and it worked…the rascals left.

    Don’t go to the courts, take your fight to the people..that is where it all is decided at.

  42. Libertariangirl

    lets be clear on one fact , Kurt Brackob isnt just a convicted child molester , he actually didit.Ive seen the pics , I WILL NOT TRANSMIT THEM , as that would be a crime , suffice to say I am 1,000 % sure he did it Kris and you would be to if you care enough to ever examine the evidence.

  43. Libertariangirl

    also Kris is correct joe had advocated spending that kind of money on postcards previously , we all did , because we had the money , we even sent out newsletters and stuff….:) nearly every if not every time we had a convention.

    KRIS , do you care to guess why Joe didnt advocate advertising the 1st scheduled LPN convention at all?

    Ill take a guess , he didnt want any rogue voters messing with his grand visions , idiots he’d call them…..and now , when he knows Brett has the numbers he wants to send a postcard………why? it’s his wing and a prayer and I’m cool with that if it does happen . I advocated for the advertising Brett did and as long as its done per an excom vote , I’m happy with any and all advertising… getting as many registered libertarians to this convention as possible should always be the goal

  44. Mark Axinn

    I am confused about the facts here.

    There is an allegation of wanting to spend $3900 for postcards and another statement that LPN only has 100 members.

    Something’s amiss.

    I just signed and mailed 340 renewal letters for LPNY for a total cost of under $200. If eight people renew their membership, we break even.
    If 200 people renew, we net plus $4800.

    Why would Nevada spend $3900 when it only has 100 members?

  45. Kris McKinster

    @31 That was partially my point as well. Of all the people for Kurt to “copy in class” from, why would he copy from the “lynch mob”?

    Perhaps because he thought it would do the most damage?

    “any disaffiliation against the LPN would require us to call upon both the LNC and the SoS.”

    I’m no election attorney, but I’ve read Nevada Law as it pertains to minor parties, and calling the SoS wouldn’t accomplish anything. I think you’d have to file a lawsuit.

    “… it’s not like a Judicial Committee would have signing rights on the LPN bank account.”

    For that matter, (and this is all hypothetical, I’m not saying this will happen) even if you have your convention and vote them out, the new Excomm wouldn’t necessarily immediately have signing rights on the LPN bank account either…

  46. Kris McKinster

    @32

    “(Observation)
    Wow, so THAT’s where Kris McKinster has been hiding? Somebody inform his ex-wife and kids so she can get back involved if only to find WHERE to garnish his wages for all the back child support having never recd a penny.

    As it has been well established, the higher grade individuals have been RUN OFF by this group; we gave up and do other things w/ our lives.

    Sad sad sad all around…”

    (Response to “observation”)
    If you have any proof, I implore you to present it.

    Otherwise, Ms.” higher grade individual” shall be labeled as just another member of the lynch mob, going after anyone who might try to clear up misconceptions about Silvestri.

    One should be more careful checking their sources before discrediting themselves.

    Yes indeed it is sad sad sad all around…

  47. Kris McKinster

    @47

    “KRIS , do you care to guess why Joe didnt advocate advertising the 1st scheduled LPN convention at all?

    Ill take a guess , he didnt want any rogue voters messing with his grand visions , idiots he’d call them…..and now , when he knows Brett has the numbers he wants to send a postcard………why?”

    LG, no, I don’t care to guess why. It could have been any number of reasons. Time, money, etc.

    Your argument doesn’t work. If he was worried about postcards resulting in rogue voters, then why did he ever send them, and why did he send them now? To prevent the money (money he and his raised) from falling into the hands of a new excomm? Well, perhaps the potential new excomm should be happy he is spending the funds on outreach, which is more than two of the affiliates did upon deaffiliation…

  48. Kris McKinster

    @53 You know what, just strike my last post #49. Rereading things, I tell LG that her argument doesn’t work, and then I proceed to make the same argument, ask the same question she did, and then suggest what she already said she did.

    *shakes head* All this stuff is making my head spin 😉

    Anyway, LG,

  49. Kris McKinster

    Anyway, LG @ 46, no I don’t care enough to examine evidence against Kurt, especially if he only damning evidence would be illegal for me to view.

    I will say this however. This infighting has caused far more damage to the LPN than Kurt’s past could.

  50. Libertariangirl

    Kris , dont go supposinf I believe all or any of Kurts claims against Joe or anyone, I dont trust that fucker about anything. I dont think he’s trying to spend mney to keep it from falling into someones hands , you forget I worked with him , he is likely just advocating spending all the money , in his usual poor decision making process which was to never quite think about the future or having savings
    many , MANY times did he want to spend large amounts and myself and
    others did not, ( ex: the $3500 phone dialer that was a total bust)

    …..after further consideration I can say I fully support sending postcards to all registered Libs in the state. Its been way way to long since they received any sort of snail mail communication from the party. I still would say a vote would be necessary in my view but i forgot you all changed the bylaws to allow the chair the power to spend at will , that is the business meeting where tim hagan and myself withdrew our monthly donations….

  51. David Colborne

    An e-mail just received from Kurt to lpnevada-announce:

    **********

    As my resignation, for the reasons stated in my previous message, took effect at midnight on September 25, I thought it important to update everyone on the financial status of the Libertarian Party of Nevada.

    The funds are currently in an account in the name of the Libertarian Party of Nevada to which Joe Silvestri has sole access. I am no longer on these accounts or in any way associated with them. When I relinquished them, the total balance in the Party treasury was $3,424.32.

    I would encourage everyone to pressure the remaining Excom members to oppose Silvestr’s scheme to deplete the Party treasury. The problem is that he has been ruling the Party through secret Excom meetings, not announced in accordance with Party bylaws, and to which only those members of the Excom who are willing to rubber stamp his dictates are invited to participate. These meetings are usually conducted at his residence late in the evening. I am aware of at least three such meetings within the past month. Even if public pressure fails to stop him from carrying out his reckless scheme, at the very least, if he moves forward with it, everyone is aware of where the responsibility for depleting the Party treasury lies.

    All FEC reports through September 2013 have been filed. With that my responsibilities as Treasurer of the Libertarian Party of Nevada have come to an end. I do not intend to cooperate in any way further with the current leadership of LP Nevada and await a duly elected leadership to take control of the Party.

  52. Libertariangirl

    “The problem is that he has been ruling the Party through secret Excom meetings, not announced in accordance with Party bylaws, and to which only those members of the Excom who are willing to rubber stamp his dictates are invited to participate.”

    me_ well duh , thts what we’ve been saying , i sure would like an aopology with this that says oy yeah whn i was rubberstamping and part of the problem I WAS WRONG TOO.

    I find it interesting that he has never spoken to any of us ,never defended the onslaught over his molester status with even 1 word but chooses this to finally stand up. it reeks of being personal but that dont make it a lie either. do we really care if ,for once , LPN sends out a communicado with its voters?

  53. Wes Wagner

    LG @60

    Actually there is a common faction and/or ideology.

    It always starts with people saying that “we should run the party like a business” … and “our primary purpose is to win elections!!!” and “if only we got rid of _those_ people… we could accomplish X”

    Strangely a large number of the characters involved are often shown to be direct proxies of Starr… but a good handful of them are not.

    The people with this type of logical irrationality and personality disorders often seem to team up with Starr, but they don’t always.

    But in the end the pattern is the same and shared in common.

    Once they get into power, the results always seem to end up the same too.

  54. Wes Wagner

    LG @62

    The entire premise of the old reform faction led by Starr and crew was ludicrous.

    You do not run the party like a business… you run it like you are fighting a war… because politics is war. If you have not figured that out yet, you have some catching up to do.

    The party should not try to win elections … we can’t. The plurality if not majority likes statism. To win you must first change a plurality of the public’s mind on issues of policy and morality. Winning an election is a side effect of success, not the target. We are not going to trick them into voting for us by misleading them.

    And if you just get rid of X people because they are holding us back stuff … also doesn’t work. If your ideas can’t overcome theirs in this tiny marketplace, that is because you are wrong… purging them doesn’t make you right, it just makes you lonely.

  55. George Phillies

    @61 I must humbly suggest: getting rid of people who run expensive scampaigns whose main function is to move money from our donors to their pockets is likely to be a good decision.

  56. Kris McKinster

    @60 “…year after year of infighting and there is only 1 common denominator……….geuss who?”

    To pin this all on one person is an oversimplification. There was infighting that resulted in a party melt down just before he got involved, then a period of building, (or so I’m told) and then infighting crept up again.

    I hope we break that cycle.

    @WW 61 & 63 Interesting…

  57. paulie

    He no longer has connection with Libertarian Party and the people that associated with him have been replaced.

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