Darryl Perry Loses Mayoral Bid

This past Tuesday, former Boston Tea Party chairman and 2016 Libertarian Party presidential hopeful Darryl Perry lost his bid to unseat incumbent Mayor Kendall W. Lane of Keene, New Hampshire. Lane received 1,683 votes to Perry’s 168.

The Keene Sentinel covered the election and results, including interviews with voters.

Resident Cecilia R. Fairchild, who said she supported “freedom-oriented candidates,” appreciated Perry’s tax plan, but did not expect him to win. Rather, she hoped Perry’s campaign as well as that of other candidates affiliated with the new libertarian group Free Keene, would “get the conversation started” on limiting local government.

Another resident, James G. Johnston, said he opposed Free Keene candidates like Perry because, “I just don’t agree with them, and I don’t want to see them making any rules and regulations.”

Only 12 percent of the town’s 16,598 registered voters took part in the election.

Perry can now shift his focus back to his 2016 presidential candidacy.

52 thoughts on “Darryl Perry Loses Mayoral Bid

  1. Jill Pyeatt

    Gee, there are so so many articles that I’ve wanted to post since the election Tuesday. The last thing I would want to do is post an article to humiliate one of our commenters here. I don’t know why you’ve posted this article, William. Darryl is a good guy. What are you accomplishing with this?

  2. William Saturn Post author

    What am I trying to accomplish?

    I am trying to inform people of something they may not have known (I certainly did not know about this until looking it up). If you’d like to avoid reality, perhaps you should consider joining US Parliament.

  3. Jill Pyeatt

    No, I prefer to make third parties look attractive. You seem hell-bent to make us look bad. Why else would continue to send people to Milnes’ website? You know people go there just to laugh at him.

    Whatever, William. That’s been my opinion of you for a while. You go ahead and post what you want, but, in my opinion, a high percent of what you post makes third parties look bad.

  4. William Saturn Post author

    I have no interest in using this website as a propaganda machine. I have no obligation to put lipstick on a pig. I enjoy covering elections, and this is an election of interest to the readers of this site.

  5. William Saturn Post author

    You seem to enjoy copying/pasting articles from other sources. That’s your prerogative. I enjoy posting original material and original interviews with third party people like Robert Sarvis. That’s my prerogative.

  6. Jill Pyeatt

    Yes, that’s your perogative. You’re going to do what you want. In my opinion, much of it makes third parties look bad. That’s my observation, I’ve shared it, and now I’m onto something else.

  7. Jed Ziggler (@JedZiggler)

    I have no problem with this article, it’s factual & accurate. If there were 5 or 6 different negative articles on this, that’s when I see a problem.

    I am surprised there hasn’t been an article on the Modern Whig Party winning its first partisan election. I know it’s being talked about in another LP thread, but that’s a pretty big deal for the Whigs.

  8. Jill Pyeatt

    Jed I saw the article on the Whig party, but, oddly, my computer won’t scroll all the way on the Huffington Post site, so I can’t copy it. I guess my computer is making an editorial statement of some sort!

  9. William Saturn Post author

    That sounds interesting. I’d like to do a full-scale article on that. May take a few days. Perhaps someone will post something on here about it before I finish, in that case I could post it on Saturn’s Repository.

  10. Jill Pyeatt

    Darryl is quite young, and I certainly hope this didn’t damper his enthusiasm. He’s also fairly new to New Hampshire, if I recall, which may have been part of his problem and getting votes.

  11. Krzysztof Lesiak

    Darryl’s result is certainly disappointing. I’m disheartened that he’d poll at 9% (168 votes) in a city that supposedly is the crown jewel of the Free State movement. Libertarians by nature won’t be “herded” or easily mobilized to organize in unison for the purpose of achieving a certain goal (such as electing a candidate), but I would have hoped that at least a few hundred would have turned out and voted for Darryl. With such an incredibly low turnout, a near-victory could have been plausible.

    Hopefully the libertarian/voluntaryist community in Keene is greater in numbers than what the election results show. Maybe a large segment of Free Staters consider voting an inconsolable evil? Since FSP’ers have been elected to the state legislature hopefully more will win on the local level, too.

    As a side note, I don’t think William is trying to disparage third parties; that’s something I’m guilty of doing extensively on IPR. Sure, the title could be worded more positively along the lines of “Darryl Perry receives 9% of the vote in mayoral bid” or “Libertarian candidate falls short in New Hampshire mayoral election” but ultimately that is not really important as it is factually accurate. The article itself is neutral in tone and I’m not sure why it could be perceived as “humiliating.” Anyway, I appreciate that William submits original content to this site, and hopefully they’ll be more of it in the future.

  12. Deran

    I think the real question is whether “William Saturn” and comrade Hobo/CLC/Watch are in fact the same poster? IP addresses can easily be hidden/anonymized. Syntax and terms used are similar.

    It is interesting that if you look at Mr Saturn’s posts, Cindy Sheehan and this one in particular, they all do tend toward a negative spin on third parties.

  13. Krzysztof Lesiak

    I haven’t noticed any negativity towards third parties in William’s articles/comments. That’s something I’m guilty of, big time.

    It would be interesting to find out CLC’s identity, though. Of course it highly likely this person is someone we’ve never heard of.

  14. Jill Pyeatt

    Thanks, Deran. Hopefully, now that I’ve pointed it out, I won’t fume about it like I have been.

    I appreciate William’s original material. I contribute original material when I can, which is usually several times a month. In between, I do copy and paste a lot of articles because there’s so much information to get out there. I’ve got a list of about 8 articles still that I’ve found since Tuesday that I think readers here would like. Some of them are actually very positive. I’ll get as many posted as I can.

  15. Darryl W. Perry

    Kris, Keene is not “supposedly the crown jewel of the Free State movement.” Keene is to many who fancy themselves “politico” the red-headed stepchild in the state, a city that has “poisoned the well” for many due to the civil disobedience that has been done here in the past. Keene is a very liberal area, and the local media is not kind to “Free Staters.”
    Every chance they had, the newspaper & local talk show would remind people which candidates were part of the evil “Free Keene movement” that wanted to destroy their beloved government.
    While my goal was to break 20%, I would say that the 9% I did receive is actually quite an accomplishment considering how often I was demonized by the media.

  16. paulie

    Can you provide some examples?

    Many of your articles – a high proportion, in fact – are about the most embarrassing nutballs on the fringe of the fringe, e.g. Milnes, US parliament, Grundmann, Kip Lee, Merlin Miller and so on.

    You are the most consistent and persistent defender of having these kinds of folks have unfettered access to IPR comments, even when they have the effect of driving away more rational and valuable participants here, including some of the most prolific article posters.

    I am also wondering about your odd obsession with oddball Republican Phil Davison. I’ve seen no independent verification that he holds libertarian views or that he has expressed any interest in a LP or BTP candidacy. The only thing I have seen is a widely circulated and ridiculed video where he goes over the top emotional about his dedication and loyalty to the Republican Party. Is there any publicly verifiable contact information for Mr. Davison whereby we can check that he has expressed such interest? If he has, did you perhaps put him up to it?

  17. paulie

    Here’s an example of what I mean by put up to it. This was forwarded to me, I won’t say by whom:

    —– Forwarded Message —–
    From: William Saturn
    To: Robert Milnes
    Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 11:40 PM
    Subject: Possible campaign stunt

    Do you have a way of recording phone calls? If you do, I’d suggest you call xaulie, ask him where he’s been the past few months, confront him about being “anonymous” and debate PLAS with him.

    The call could then be posted on both ThePLASPlace and IPR. This will give your campaign and PLAS some attention.

  18. paulie

    I don’t appreciate William Saturn, or whatever his real name is, inciting a psycho who has done prison time for harassing people to harass me (he did in fact leave me a bunch of harassing voice mails). I have Milnes blocked on my email and I certainly don’t want to talk to him on the phone.

    Where I have been is my business, but if you must know, most of the time I was in Arkansas working to put the Libertarian and Green parties on the ballot, which we did. I did not have internet access and it was a distraction from work so I went cold turkey from the internet for a while.

    I’m not going to debate PLAS with anyone (been there, done that), and as for being anonymous, or not – that is my business and my business alone. If I am anonymous at some point, I have good reason for it and those reasons are none of anyone’s business but mine.

    I don’t believe IPR should cover PLAS/Milnes, except perhaps on April 1st of every year.

    I also don’t think we should have writers signed up for IPR that want to encourage convicted harassers to harass me on the phone as a “campaign” stunt. Milnes needs mental health intervention, not encouragement of his delusion that he is a political candidate.

  19. paulie

    I’m not sure if it’s OK to quote your email in response to this, but you apologized for any inconvenience it caused me, said you didn’t realize how crazy Milnes is, and said you discussed it with me on August 9.

    You couldn’t have discussed it with me on August 9, since I was not online during the month of August at all I did not talk to you on the phone (unless you are an alternate identity for one of the very few online friends that I talked to on the phone that month). At most, it may have been that you emailed me about it, but then I wouldn’t have seen that email until October.

    A very cursory look at Milnes “campaign site” shows at a moment’s glance how crazy he is. Among other things, he famously talks about how he masturbates in front of his TV to TV news anchor women (the woman he went to prison for harassing was a TV news anchor woman), believes they are watching him through his TV and showing reactions to what he is doing to himself. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg.

    I have long since said that I would stop commenting on IPR if Milnes would be allowed back here. Does that sound like I wanted him to call me on the phone, “confront me” or debate PLAS to you?

  20. paulie

    In addition to trying repeatedly to bring back Milnes and Ogle, you also kept defending keeping Grundmann around even if it would drive Jill away. Somehow I think Jill brings a lot more to IPR than Grundmann does, but that doesn’t seem to matter to you. Nor do I think you care if I and many others would go away if Milnes and Ogle turned IPR into their playground again. You seem to relish the freak show aspect of alt party politics.

    Also, you “outed” Jill based on IP evidence when a comment was made under another name from her IP. For one thing, we are not supposed to reveal any evidence about who someone is based on IP addresses. For another, Jill’s husband has commented many times at IPR. I know she has a son also, I don’t know if he still lives with her or not. She also owns a business, so it may be that one of her employees or customers used one of the computers there to leave a comment. Or maybe someone was a guest at her house and used one of her computers or her home internet connection using their own computer or device. There are all kinds of reasons why her IP may have shown up with a different name. Even if it was her, that is none of anyone’s business – if she wanted to comment under a different name, there was probably a reason for it and it should not have been up to anyone else to out her without her permission. People who do that should have their access to see who is posting from what IP address taken away.

  21. paulie

    While I don’t have evidence per se, I share Deran’s suspicion that you may also be CC/CLC aka …Watch, Fillmore, etc. That person drove away New Federalist and was working pretty hard to drive away Jill and myself. And would not stop when asked politely.

    And bringing it back to this article, why would you find it headline-worthy that Darryl lost? Is that somehow unusual or unexpected for an alt party candidate?

    On the other hand, you are correct that you post original articles and interviews, which I do appreciate. But then there’s also all this other stuff.

  22. William Saturn Post author

    Like I said in the e-mail to you:

    At the time of this e-mail, I had been trying to convince Milnes to do something with his campaign. He constantly discussed having a debate with you (Paulie) and so I figured this was a way to do it. I believe I also sent you an e-mail around this same time about the matter. I was not aware of the extent of Milnes’ mental illness until he started discussing time travel and saying some woman who died of cancer was not really dead…

    I apologize for any inconvenience I may have caused. I did not know he was harassing you. The suggestion was a misguided attempt to provide a compelling story for IPR. Looking back, I see that I did discuss this matter with you on August 9.

    On that date (August 9) I wrote to you:

    Hope all is well. I wanted to send you this e-mail to let you know what’s been going on during your sabbatical from IPR. There’s been a few changes:

    The whole issue with Milnes on IPR has been resolved. He accepts his ban, and so started his own blog (ThePLASPlace). On it, he challenges you to a debate. I think a good way to settle the PLAS issue would be a telephone debate between you and Milnes. Of course, you’d have to record it. Then it could be posted on IPR or ThePLASPlace, or at Saturn’s Repository (my new blog). It would be fun.

    I communicate with Phil Davison via Facebook. Darryl has actually talked to him on the phone and can verify his interest in the 2012 BTP presidential nomination.

    Anyone can click on my name under the post above to see what articles I have posted. Like I said many times, I post about things that interest me and inform readers.

  23. paulie

    At the time of this e-mail, I had been trying to convince Milnes to do something with his campaign. He constantly discussed having a debate with you (Paulie) and so I figured this was a way to do it. I believe I also sent you an e-mail around this same time about the matter. I was not aware of the extent of Milnes’ mental illness until he started discussing time travel and saying some woman who died of cancer was not really dead…

    I apologize for any inconvenience I may have caused. I did not know he was harassing you. The suggestion was a misguided attempt to provide a compelling story for IPR. Looking back, I see that I did discuss this matter with you on August 9.

    Thanks for quoting the email. I responded to it above.

    As I said, I would not have received the email until October, since I quite simply did not get on email between July and October. When I received it, did I send you a reply? If so, I don’t believe it was that I was agreeing to any phone debate with Milnes. But in the meantime he did start calling me.

    As I also said, it’s hard for me to believe that anyone who paid attention would not have realized that Milnes is severely disturbed.

    I did previously say on IPR many times that I have no interest in debating anything with Milnes and that I would leave IPR altogether if he was brought back here.

    I communicate with Phil Davison via Facebook. Darryl has actually talked to him on the phone and can verify his interest in the 2012 BTP presidential nomination.

    Accepting Darryl talked to him on the phone, was it at a publicly verifiable number? It’s not impossible that Darryl was actually talking to you or someone who was in on the joke with you. But let’s say he did talk to Davison on the phone. That doesn’t mean you couldn’t have put Davison up to it, as you did Milnes in the email copied above.

    Anyone can click on my name under the post above to see what articles I have posted. Like I said many times, I post about things that interest me and inform readers.

    Which, a large percentage of the time, just so happen to be the embarrassing freak show/off the meds nutjob aspects of alt party politics.

  24. William Saturn Post author

    Darryl called him. I believe the number is publicly listed.

    Back in 2010, I was so thrilled by the speech that I sought out Davison. It took a while, but I finally got in contact with him through the help of a journalist for the Canton Repository.

    In 2013, I have posted one article about Robert Milnes. Two about a poll of all candidates or possible candidates for the 2016 LP nomination. One interview with Robert Sarvis. One interview with Cindy Sheehan. One article about RJ Harris. One about Terry Jones. Two about Merlin Miller. Two about Robby Wells. One about Jesse Ventura. One about Rhett Smith. One about Ralph Beach. One about a debate hosted by Ken Krawchuk. One about candidates who filed with the FEC. And a Green Party press release.

  25. William Saturn Post author

    I wrote that but didn’t post it. The reason I wrote it was to find common ground with Grundmann. I believe it was successful. Has there been any contentious discussion with Grundmann since? I don’t believe so.

  26. Jill Pyeatt

    I stand corrected. There have been a few articles written by you that were posted by somone else.

    Thankfully, Dr. Grundmann hasn’t been visiting us lately. Hopefully it’s becuase we’ve stopped “baiting” him here on IPR. Many people enjoyed arguing with him, but when he started with physical threats, many of us felt it had gone far enough.

  27. William Saturn Post author

    In all honesty Jill, I wrote that article to end the drama over the issue. I knew it was affecting you especially. I had to be as diplomatic as possible, and I truly believe it was successful. I feel it helped Grundmann understand that despite the libertarian disagreement over the premise of his arguments, there was some overlap on policy.

  28. paulie

    Darryl called him. I believe the number is publicly listed.

    I’d be interested to know where. But again, supposing that in fact Darryl did talk to the real Phil Davison, where is the evidence that Davison holds libertarian views? And, supposing he did in fact express an interest in the LP nomination, did you put him up to it as you put Milnes up to calling me?

    Back in 2010, I was so thrilled by the speech that I sought out Davison.

    Seems kind of odd. During the speech Davison freaks out about how much he loves the Republican Party. What about that made you think he would make a good Libertarian candidate?

    In 2013, I have posted one article about Robert Milnes. Two about a poll of all candidates or possible candidates for the 2016 LP nomination. One interview with Robert Sarvis. One interview with Cindy Sheehan. One article about RJ Harris. One about Terry Jones. Two about Merlin Miller. Two about Robby Wells. One about Jesse Ventura. One about Rhett Smith. One about Ralph Beach. One about a debate hosted by Ken Krawchuk. One about candidates who filed with the FEC. And a Green Party press release.

    So, as I said, a large percentage were about joke/nutball candidates, even by alt party standards. Miller was the nominee of the racist AFP (aka A3P), Terry Jones is the infamous Koran-burning minister, Robby Wells is the party-hopping ultra-self promoting fired football coach who at one point falsely claimed he had the support of 700 Republican national convention delegates for president, Milnes we don’t have to belabor any further, etc. Granted, not all your articles were in that category. For example, I’m glad you interviewed Sarvis.

  29. paulie

    I feel it helped Grundmann understand that despite the libertarian disagreement over the premise of his arguments, there was some overlap on policy.

    I think you were way too conciliatory to Grundmann’s position.

  30. Jill Pyeatt

    I also didn’t mean to start a big problem for you here, William. I just thought it odd that, out of all the things that happened in the third party world last week, the only thing you posted was a negative article about a valuable participant to IPR. You asked for an example, and I think that’s a perfect example of the problems I’ve had with you.

    I do appreciate your original material;. Perhaps you’ve missed that I also provide original material because I do so many copy and paste articles. For example, the article from last week about Libertarians who won office is original. Shockingly, to date it seems I’m the only one compiling this info for the Libertarian party I say this because I’ve communicated with a couple people on the LNC as to whether there is a list, and no one has responded that there is. The list I’ve seen them circulate is mine.

    Also, the article “A Couple Articles” is several similar-themed articles put together into one, which is what I know Warren prefers. I hope to do a similar one later today with personal stories of some of last week’s successes. However, I readily admit that I’m not a trained journalist and I’m simply trying to get information out to the third party world.

    Anyway, I’m over this topic and hope to get back to work on getting info out there.

  31. paulie

    Shockingly, to date it seems I’m the only one compiling this info for the Libertarian party

    Richard Winger has posted a similar article at BAN. We have had a few posts about it on the LNC list.

  32. Jill Pyeatt

    I saw a list on an LNC discuss list, excitedly clicked on it–and realized it was the list posted here! 🙂

    Also, William, I often contact people and ask them to write something up for IPR about their experience in running for office, etc. When I post it, that’s not my oribginal material, but it is original to IPR.

  33. paulie

    I saw a list on an LNC discuss list, excitedly clicked on it–and realized it was the list posted here!

    I think I posted it, and Richard Winger’s article. It did get some responses. One was the addition of the Michigan candidates from Sam Goldstein. There was also a note from Starchild about Josh Katz, which may have led to the LP blog post. Then there was some discussion of Katz having been on the ballot as a Republican despite being an LP member and his reasons for doing so. That’s all I can remember right now.

    I take it though since you already saw it that must mean the public reflector has been brought up to date (or close to it). Glad to hear that. Last I asked (I haven’t looked at it myself in a while) it was way out of date.

  34. Jill Pyeatt

    I added the Michigan name yesterday, and an Iowa name yesterday. That brings us to an even dozen. I would be delighted to add more.

  35. paulie

    Let Richard know also when you add names. I know he updates his article with the Michigan news. You may also want to email LPHQ in case they may not be aware of some of the names you are adding. And if you CC me I’ll make sure it gets posted to the LNC list at a minimum.

  36. Thane Eichenauer (@ilovegrover)

    Quoting JP above “In my opinion, much of it makes third parties look bad.”

    I am a supporter of Darryl Perry. I have no problem with the title or content of this post. The title is true and the content appears accurate and without biased statements. Choosing a title that either hides or softens the essential fact that Perry lost the election. Perseverance and a willingness to face truth (even painful truth) are both required. Sugar coating truth IMO is a bad idea.

  37. paulie

    It’s not exactly shocking news when alt party candidates lose; the headline has a “dog bites man” feel to it, if not quite a “sun appeared to have risen today” one. If we were to report every result where an alt party or independent candidate does not get elected that way, the headlines would seem very repetitive here, would they not? Thus, it is a legitimate question why this was a headline-worthy fact in this case.

    The fact that it is true is not enough. “Man with bile and bacteria in his stomach and feces in his bowel loses election” would also be true, for example, but would seem like a rather odd headline, wouldn’t you say?

  38. Jill Pyeatt

    Thane, my complaint to William is that most of what he posts is the negative side of third parties. I’ve been so busy trying to get information posted since last Tuesday, some of it being very interesting and exciting, that I was dismayed that the one article he chose to post was an article that could embarrass one of our own. It was something I felt I wanted to point out, we discussed it, and we’ll both continue to do things as we wish. I know is Darryl a big boy and can handle it. Thanks for your input.

  39. Jed Ziggler (@JedZiggler)

    The fact is that third parties are often rife with loons, and to ignore this does the third party movement a disservice. Better to put it out there than hide it and look disingenuous.

    Robert Milnes: Nuts. If he makes any serious bid to run for political office, then he would warrant coverage.

    James Ogle: Pretty much the same thing, though I occasionally find him at least a bit entertaining.

    Don Grundmann: Sad as it may be, he does have at least some influence in the Constitution Party. One of many problems I have with the CP.

    Riley J. Hood: See Grundmann

    Merlin Miller: Was the nominee of the AFP (formerly A3P) and was on the ballot in 2012. They’re racists, but they are a third party movement in America & they do deserve some coverage.

    If we ignore everyone but the Ls, Gs, & Cs, then we’re no better than the major media ignoring everyone but the Ds & Rs.

  40. Jill Pyeatt

    How much attention would these people get if they weren’t mentioned here? Milnes would most likely get zero. Riley Hood most likely not much. The rest would get some, agreed.

  41. paulie

    If we ignore everyone but the Ls, Gs, & Cs, then we’re no better than the major media ignoring everyone but the Ds & R

    I’m not suggesting ignoring other parties completely. I have posted plenty of articles about them myself. However, it’s a matter of proportion; most of my articles have been about the big three, a fair sprinkling have been about the next tier (the various marxist and centrist parties, prohibitionists and anti-prohibitionists, conservative parties, etc). Only a very few about the absolute fringe of the fringe. Not any kind of rigid formula, but roughly speaking the coverage is proportional to the degree these parties have earned it, as has been IPR’s overall.

    The same applies within those parties. I, and we, don’t completely ignore the most colorful fringe characters in them, but we don’t make them the focus of our coverage of those parties either.

    What has Milnes ever done as a candidate? Attended a couple of debates with a fairly large panel in the Philly area, and rant and rave online a lot. As far as I know that is it. Ogle has done very, very little by way of any kind of campaign as well. Grundmann has been more or less renounced by the CP; they have a different state chair listed now, and their bid to take the AIP ballot line back looks to be dead in the water. The only reason to give him any attention at this point is freak show factor, nothing else.

    Hood is a state chairman, true; however Wisconsin is far from being one of the CP’s stronger states, and there are any number of states where they have no organization at all. He is most likely state chair because no one else wanted to do it. His claim to fame politically is once earning a few dozen write in votes. That might have merited an article or two at some point here, but not dozens of articles covering each of his wacky opinion columns. His sole reason for being covered as much as he has been is that he intentionally makes his columns as outrageous and provocative as he can and his published photo is goofy looking. Again, freak show factor.

    Miller was on the ballot in a tiny handful of states and did get some votes and coverage as a presidential candidate. However, he came in something like 10th or 12th. Other parties came in ahead of him including the Twelve Visions Party and several of the marxist parties. So why would he merit a lot of articles? The only reason I can think of is that racism is a big political taboo, even more so than marxism, theocracy, etc. Once again, freak show factor.

    The beef here isn’t that these folks get some level of coverage, it’s more the degree.

  42. Jed Ziggler (@JedZiggler)

    That’s fair, thank you for your response, Paulie. I agree with you.

    I probably sound like I’m bitching, actually I really love this site & don’t have many problems with it. The only time I got pissed was the 50,000 articles on the Florida LP debacle. Worth covering, but the sheer number of negative articles was overwhelming.

  43. Jill Pyeatt

    I’m with you on the Florida thing, Jed. After Oregon, Nevada, and Pennsylvania, I want Florida to go through its growing pains quietly. 🙂

    And I get your point about covering everything, also. I had a issue with William that’s been aired, and it had to do with the proportion of negative items posted. I’m over it already.

    I still have a list of nine articles I want to post from last week, a couple of them being original material which will take a while. There was a lot of attention on third parties last week, especially the LP, and I hope to make the most of it!

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