Irregular Times: Libertarian Candidate Wants To Convert Schools Into Military Boot Camps

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By J Clifford:

As much as Libertarians like to say that they’re against centralized government decisions, Jon Roland would like to get the federal government involved in a radical, top-down reorganization of education in the United States. He wants the U.S. Senate to pass legislation to change education to “repurpose toward militia training for defense, law enforcement, and disaster response.”

Instead of learning history, science, mathematics, art, writing, reading, and all the other traditional school subjects, under Jon Roland’s Libertarian plan for education American children would, be assembled into armed militias.

What kind of future would these children have, with that sort of education? Not a very prosperous one, if Jon Roland’s Libertarian plan for military reform is enacted. Roland proposes the accelerated replacement of soldiers with military “technology”.

Read the full article here.

22 thoughts on “Irregular Times: Libertarian Candidate Wants To Convert Schools Into Military Boot Camps

  1. Steven Wilson

    When did the Libertarian party begin issuing arm bands and uniforms to people?

    The word libertarian means whatever you want it to be. Whoa!

  2. Jed Ziggler Post author

    While this is meant to be a hit piece against Libertarians, Texas LPers may want to take heed & nominate someone else for Senate, assuming this article is accurate. I’ve heard rumors of John Jay Myers & even Kane seeking the nomination, so Mr. Roland is not a lock.

  3. J. Clifford

    The point is, Jed, not to “hit” Libertarians, but to encourage you to think about the two ways Libertarians present your party, and the mismatch between them:

    1st way: Libertarians are a rational group of people who just want to reduce government intrusion on Americans’ civil liberties. How can liberals disagree with that? We ought to work together!

    2nd way: Let’s use the power of the federal government to replace schools with militias, and create a national army of robots! (Or choose any number of bizarre Libertarian candidates’ policies as an alternative.)

    The Libertarian Party isn’t the only smaller political party to deal with this problem. The Green Party encounters it as well, with a sizable minority of members who pipe up with weird, disconcerting conspiracy theories or neo-communist agendas.

    If Libertarians are going to become a grown-up, respected political party, they have to figure out a way to deal with this problem.

  4. Andy

    “November 26, 2013 at 11:06 am
    While this is meant to be a hit piece against Libertarians, Texas LPers may want to take heed & nominate someone else for Senate, assuming this article is accurate. I’ve heard rumors of John Jay Myers & even Kane seeking the nomination, so Mr. Roland is not a lock.”

    I’ve got to wonder if the article is somehow misrepresenting Mr. Roland’s views, and/or taking something that he said out of context.

    If by Kane, you mean the Libertarian pro wrestler, Glenn Jacobs, he lives in Tennessee, so unless he moved to Texas and I don’t know about it, I assume that if he were to run for US Senate that he’d run in Tennessee.

  5. Dave Terry

    WHO WRITES THIS CRAP?
    It is 100% fiction!

    Who reads it? More importantly,
    WHO and WHY would anyone post
    this shit on this list????????????

  6. paulie

    The point is, Jed, not to “hit” Libertarians, but to encourage you to think about the two ways Libertarians present your party, and the mismatch between them:

    1st way: Libertarians are a rational group of people who just want to reduce government intrusion on Americans’ civil liberties. How can liberals disagree with that? We ought to work together!

    2nd way: Let’s use the power of the federal government to replace schools with militias, and create a national army of robots! (Or choose any number of bizarre Libertarian candidates’ policies as an alternative.)

    We don’t have any centralized authority that polices every Libertarian candidate’s every issue stance. Nor do I see such a process running very well if we did.

    As far as I know this particular view is unique to Mr. Roland – at least I have not heard anyone else express it before. Most Libertarians support either separation of school and state, or greater school choice and/or more local control over education. On your larger point, yes, we Libertarians are a mixed bowl of nuts, with lots of fairly ordinary folk and a few oddballs of many different stripes.

    I only know of one attempt to exert central authority control over the messaging of Libertarians in one state to make sure we all have a “unified message.” It was an abject failure. I think it goes against our nature as libertarians. Who would do this policing and who would police them?

    The silver lining is that Libertarians in control of government isn’t something you need to be overly concerned with right now. At best we may get a few more Liberarians in there to help fight against many of the serious problems which we actually do have, with Mr. Roland’s bizarre position on education being far down the list of actual threats in the real world…some of the ones in this graphic seem much more real and present:

    As such, perhaps it would be better for liberals and libertarians to work together on the ones we agree on, and disagree with more mutual understanding where we don’t, rather than trying to find examples of bizarre stances taken by one or the other.

  7. paulie

    I’ve got to wonder if the article is somehow misrepresenting Mr. Roland’s views, and/or taking something that he said out of context.

    I clicked through the link to his website and it says what J Clifford says it says. There’s a little more context there but not much more.

    If by Kane, you mean the Libertarian pro wrestler, Glenn Jacobs, he lives in Tennessee, so unless he moved to Texas and I don’t know about it, I assume that if he were to run for US Senate that he’d run in Tennessee.

    Well, people do move but last I heard he was still in Tennessee, and I think it was this year.

  8. paulie

    If you follow the link to IRT Roland’s website is linked in the other part of the article not reproduced here.

    http://jonroland.net/issues

    His full plank on education as seen on that site is

    Education. Repurpose toward militia training for defense, law enforcement, and disaster response. Encourage use of Lancasterian methods and military boarding schools for at-risk youth.

    I haven’t looked up what Lancasterian methods are. I’d also have to ask him whether by adding militia training he means to no longer teach the other subjects J Clifford mentions; I suspect he means teach militia training in addition to those other subjects, in which case it’s not that bizarre of a view, but if so, “repurpose” is not a good word to use there.

  9. paulie

    The point is, Jed, not to “hit” Libertarians, but to encourage you to think about the two ways Libertarians present your party, and the mismatch between them:

    I’d like to take you at your word, although there seems to be a pattern with the recent articles at IRT by Peregrin Wood and FG Fitzer that try to play gotcha with Libertarians. I’m going to write an article here as a response to Peregrin Wood’s. Our rules are that I can’t post it myself. Would one of our other writers post it for me when I have it finished?

  10. paulie

    The word libertarian means whatever you want it to be. Whoa!

    No, but surprisingly enough, in many states anyone can run for the Libertarian nommination. Or the Republican or Democratic nominations for that matter. They may or may not receive those nominations.

  11. paulie

    While we are on the subject of education, some may find these to be educational. Bad segue, I know, but here you go anyway:

    http://reason.com/blog/2013/11/25/members-of-congress-beg-us-attorney-to-s
    Members of Congress Beg US Attorney to Stop Calif. Medical Marijuana Raids

    http://reason.com/archives/2013/11/25/taxpayer-ballparks-hot-stove-or-cold
    Taxpayer-Subsidized Projects for the Elite

    http://reason.com/24-7/2013/11/25/texas-man-remains-in-prison-for-years-af
    Texas Man Remains in Prison for Years after Conviction Overturned

    http://libertycrier.com/texas-cop-arrested-handcuffing-raping-19-year-old-traffic-stop/
    Texas Cop Arrested For Handcuffing And Raping 19-year-old At Traffic Stop

    http://libertycrier.com/since-phone-calls-private-goverment-lawyer-asks
    Since When Are Your Phone Calls Private, Goverment Lawyer Asks

    http://benswann.com/corporate-welfare-is-almost-double-social-welfare/

    Does any of this sound eerily familiar to anyone here? Like maybe a lot like man recent stories about the news about things happening in the USA?

    But by all means…let’s worry about what will happen if Libertarians succeed in making government too small, because that’s really what are our problems are about right now, right?

  12. Andy

    Paul said: “I haven’t looked up what Lancasterian methods are”

    The Lancasterian Monitorial System of Education

    http://www.constitution.org/lanc/monitorial.htm

    Exert: “Joseph Lancaster (1778-1838) led a movement to establish schools that used what he called the Monitorial System, sometimes called the ‘Lancasterian’ or ‘Lancastrian’ System, in which more advanced students taught less advanced ones, enabling a small number of adult masters to educate large numbers of students at low cost in basic and often advanced skills. From about 1798 to 1830 it was highly influential, but was displaced by the “modern” system of grouping students into age groups taught using the lecture method, led by such educators as Horace Mann, and later inspired by the assembly-line methods of Frederick Taylor, although Lancaster’s methods continue to be used and rediscovered today. Problems with the “modern” methods and the effects of the use of them are encouraging concerned persons to re-examine such earlier methods as those of Lancaster and adapt them to the current educational environment.”

  13. paulie

    Ah! I’ve heard of that then, just forgot the name. I went to a school like that once, when I first came over to the US. It was run for Russian Jewish immigrant kids by Hassidic Jews in Brooklyn. They taught English half the day and Jewish customs and religion (neither of which we had any familiarity with in the USSR) the other half. I think it worked better than separating kids by grade.

  14. Dave Terry

    J. Clifford> “The point is, Jed, not to “hit” Libertarians, but to encourage you to think about the > two ways Libertarians present your party, and the mismatch between them:” “1st way: Libertarians are a rational group of people who just want to reduce government > intrusion on Americans’ civil liberties. How can liberals disagree with that?” “We ought to work together!” “2nd way: Let’s use the power of the federal government to replace schools with militias, and create a national army of robots!”<

    It is irrelevant WHAT our children are "brainwashed" to believe, but THAT the state has the right to brainwash them at all. Clearly a genuine Libertarian would KNOW that!

  15. Gene

    I posted this in response to the article @ Irregular Times:
    The Libertarian Party has the problem any political party has – anybody can join and anybody can run for office. Mr Roland is less representative of Libertarians than Lyndon LaRouche is of Democrats. Member of the Nazi Party have run as Republicans, and Klansmen have run as Democrats, but we know that most Republicans are not Nazis, and most Democrats are not Klansmen.

    As a Libertarian, I would urge voters to reject Mr Roland and his ideas. There will be many candidates promoting limited government, free enterprise and social freedoms, and they will deserve your support, so look for those candidates, and let’s all reject the militarists and the crazies, regardless of party.

  16. Dave Terry

    The above is NOT what I wrote, in fact, Nothing I wrote is not there, except for the last paragraph. What happened?

  17. Jill Pyeatt

    I don’t understand, Dave. Much of your comment didn’t get posted, or you didn’t post the comment under your name above?

  18. George Phillies

    Put gang members in military boarding schools, where they will learn how to be coherently organized, not to mention how to hit what they are shooting at. Ayup. Lancastrian organization is what you do if you are a ninth world country and too broke to do anything else.

    However, our time machine reports “April 1, 2014: TheOnion Sues IPR for “unfair competition”. “It’s completely unreasonable,” said one TheOnion editor, “our staff must struggle to complete feats of creative genius to write funny material, which we do every day, and these people just have even funnier things handed to them.”

  19. Thomas Knapp

    I’ve always thought of Jon Roland as more a “constitutionalist” than a “libertarian,” ideologically speaking. But the LP has all kinds of people and always has.

    “Lancasterian” methods sound a lot like both common sense and educational history. The “one-room” schoolhouse seems to be regarded by most people as having produced a more educated product than modern public education, and a major reason for that was probably that the kids in the higher grades were helping teach the younger kids, and the younger kids were trying to stand out by measuring up to the older kids. These days, the emphasis is on reducing class size and isolating kids into their own immediate age groups, which seems to be pretty much the opposite of what works.

  20. paulie

    The Libertarian Party has the problem any political party has – anybody can join and anybody can run for office. Mr Roland is less representative of Libertarians than Lyndon LaRouche is of Democrats. Member of the Nazi Party have run as Republicans, and Klansmen have run as Democrats, but we know that most Republicans are not Nazis, and most Democrats are not Klansmen.

    As a Libertarian, I would urge voters to reject Mr Roland and his ideas. There will be many candidates promoting limited government, free enterprise and social freedoms, and they will deserve your support, so look for those candidates, and let’s all reject the militarists and the crazies, regardless of party.

    Good comment. That sums it up well.

    I don’t understand, Dave. Much of your comment didn’t get posted, or you didn’t post the comment under your name above?

    Is the impersonator posting comments as Dave Terry now? We have had a problem with an impersonator (I think it is the same person as the nazi troll) posting comments under the names of other real people who actually post here, including me.

    Put gang members in military boarding schools, where they will learn how to be coherently organized, not to mention how to hit what they are shooting at. Ayup.

    You are taking it as a given that they would continue to be gang members in a libertarian world where prohibitions on victimless crimes that create balck markets end, law abiding citizens can protect themselves readily, and legitimate jobs are plentiful due to cutting all the red tape holding back the economy? Gang culture festers due to a lack of legitimate work opportunities for young people in many areas, the lure of quick money made possible by prohibition, and a relatively disarmed citizenry, along with social pathologies that are secondary effects of these things, such as broken families, parents in prison, and a crappy education system, etc.

    I’ve always thought of Jon Roland as more a “constitutionalist” than a “libertarian,” ideologically speaking. But the LP has all kinds of people and always has.

    True.

    “Lancasterian” methods sound a lot like both common sense and educational history. The “one-room” schoolhouse seems to be regarded by most people as having produced a more educated product than modern public education, and a major reason for that was probably that the kids in the higher grades were helping teach the younger kids, and the younger kids were trying to stand out by measuring up to the older kids. These days, the emphasis is on reducing class size and isolating kids into their own immediate age groups, which seems to be pretty much the opposite of what works.
    “Lancasterian” methods sound a lot like both common sense and educational history. The “one-room” schoolhouse seems to be regarded by most people as having produced a more educated product than modern public education, and a major reason for that was probably that the kids in the higher grades were helping teach the younger kids, and the younger kids were trying to stand out by measuring up to the older kids. These days, the emphasis is on reducing class size and isolating kids into their own immediate age groups, which seems to be pretty much the opposite of what works.

    Based on my short experience with it (several months) I agree.

    I don’t know what’s up, Dave.

    That’s OK, neither does he 🙂

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