November 2013 Open Thread

We had one last month, we had one the month before, we’ll have one next month, and they’re all a little different from each other–but this one is for NOW! Here is our open thread for November! If you have something you want to share regarding third parties or independents, or something you think might be of general interest for IPR readers, list it here! Share it! Don’t keep it to yourself! You know you’re dying to tell everyone!

And, let’s not forget one of the favorite themes for us here at IPR: our own FREE WILL.

298 thoughts on “November 2013 Open Thread

  1. William Saturn

    I have a philosophical question to pose.

    One arguing against free markets suggests that in a completely pure free market economy, with demand for organizations to inflict harm on adversaries, nuclear weapons can be privately developed and sold for use with catastrophic results. How can such an argument be countered?

  2. John Lewis Mealer

    I am a third party INDEPENDENT gubernatorial candidate in Arizona this next election 2014.
    It appears that I have a very good chance at this, but can use some backing and a few more volunteers in Arizona.
    Anyone who is interested, please contact me!
    http://jlmealer.com

    JL Mealer

  3. Bondurant

    Mr. Mealer,

    Clean Elections is a scam. Funds are collecting by adding a 10% fee on top of civil and criminal fines (including the non-violent). I would urge you to re-think being a Clean Elections candidates. I know a lot of people out there that would not support your campaign on that fact alone.

  4. John Lewis Mealer

    Thanks for the news Bondurant.
    It was explained to me that the funds come only from voluntary contributions when people and companies file and pay their taxes.

    So far, every candidate has applied for Clean Election Funds, but I will without a doubt ask the CCEC directly where these funds come from and bring up what you just told me. There are so many laws that a Governor can declare defunct simply by a broad ‘pardoning’ of anyone charged and convicted of the crime. I have a list already.

    There is a lot of clean up I would do with the courts and CPS as it is. I hope this may give me some room to use funding since the corrupt D’s, R’s, L’s and G’s have their entire national party bank accounts backing them.

    As I said, I will check into this and actually post the facts on my campaign website.

    Thanks again.
    JL Mealer

  5. John Lewis Mealer

    Bondurant…
    Just checked http://law.justia.com/codes/arizona/2011/title16/section16-954 and you are right. Although a large portion of the funds come from voluntary sources, the 10% does apply and I will remedy that for all of us. It is simply unfair UNLESS those who have been fined and as such have had funds skimmed off the top (myself included in civil penalties) should have the funds returned to them.

    With the state revenue I can bring in, we can do away with that 10%. Oddly, without knowing about the 10% until you mentioned it and I checked it, I had already made note of the reputation Arizona had with the rest of the country as being a ‘speed trap’ and crime spree and ambulance chasing state… AND I plan to do away with the corrupt lawmaker bullshit. (Yes, I just called it bullshit). This type of fine padding is part of what makes Arizona look like a tough state to do business with.

    I address all of this in Mealer Initiative 2014 (November version) and plan on addressing it publicly as I campaign. Sometimes, even the good-guys need to use the weapons of the evil scum to then turn the game around.

    I sincerely thank you.
    JL Mealer

  6. Bondurant

    Libertarians are far from corrupt and we conduct our campaigns with little or no support from national. Libertarians with ties to the Arizona Libertarian Party do not accept Clean Elections money. The AZLP does not endorse candidates that do so.

    The funding source for Clean Elections is stated directly on their website:

    http://www.azcleanelections.gov/about-us/funding.aspx

  7. Bondurant

    I cannot currently access the Mealer Initiative 2014. “Page Not Found” is the message I get. I will check back at a later time and attempt to access it again. Good luck on the campaign trail.

  8. John Lewis Mealer

    Last not, Bondurant and I would like your opinion on how I address this issue both on the website and in my game plan. First- I should never have accepted CCEC at their word and because you mentioned it, I now know that this is an issue which I have fought against all of my life (and I am on county recorder record stating exactly that as far back as the 1990’s).
    This is what I have added because the CCEC funds are critical if I am to have a chance at this:

    “One special note regarding the Clean Election funding and the Az Rev Stat § 16-954 C. “Beginning January 1, 1999, an additional surcharge of ten percent shall be imposed on all civil and criminal fines and penalties collected pursuant to section 12-116.01 and shall be deposited into the fund.” This padding of the fines is what makes Arizona appear like a bloodsucking state and I will do away with this version of Clean Election funding. Sometimes,people like me need to utilize this type of activity in order to fix the problem. I am at such a financial disadvantage that I must take CCEC funds.”

    “Once elected and my ready-to-go plans are put into play, these additional skimmed funds will not be required to make sure the Clean Election Laws work, because our increase in the quantity of available taxes (even with a lowered tax rate) will more than handle the CCEC funds. Further, every individual who has had these funds skimmed from their fine or civil and criminal suits will have the additional 10% repaid IF, in fact, they have paid it”

  9. Bondurant

    I understand the financial predicament of running for office but still favor not accepting Clean Elections money as a matter of principle. From my perspective to program is built upon force, deceit and theft and I cannot justify it’s use. That said, I understand your point of view and prefer the scenario you have laid out as opposed to what we currently have.

    What are your plans for Clean Elections money? Signs? Mailings? I am very curious as some people I know that have run for office do not thing spending money on traditional campaign wares adds anything to the campaign. One person said that he received just as many votes in a campaign where he did nothing as he did in another where he knocked on doors, posted signs and sent mailers.

    I hope you will expand your website to include more of a platform. Your initiative is ambitious but I fear too verbose for the average voter to digest (not to mention hypothetical as it would require the support of the state legislature). I think you would be best served stating your opinions on the core issues and expanding into others.

    Just my two cents.

  10. John Lewis Mealer

    I appreciate the ideas Bondurant,
    With things the way they are today, I truly feel that bending the principles to win a race is critical. As I state on my website and in the revised Mealer Initiative, the 10% above the fines, etc… Will be repaid to those who were forced to pay it.
    With my huge economic plan and the industry coming into to office provided I am elected and cut the red tape, Arizona will have the funds from even the reduced taxes to cover it.

    As far as the legislature goes… We both know they have worked in office and violated both our God given Rights and those ‘rights’ people claim under the 14th amendment, by allowing only one infringement on the second amendment and one violation against any other amendment (esp the fourth these days under NSA spyware) and many many more. This amounts to fraud (with no statute of limitations), breach of oath of office, breach of contract and quite a few serious felonies.

    Technically, as Governor with the power to pardon and to have these people charged with various crimes where their assets would be seized, they will be given an option of confessing and agreeing to work for the people of Arizona and be pardoned or face the consequences. I have no doubt that they will work within the Law.

    The Insurance package is a done deal, as are the industries… Who would argue against that other than the Greenies? However, I have a serious connection in the federal government (civilians) who are already working on the answer to that issue where the greenie folks come out with what appears to be a triumph and we have a HUGE new industry and the world’s largest racetrack in our state.

    I all but refuse to talk social issues because we need to speak Constitutional Law and the violations against it through statutes and various codes. So my platform will lack that and unless I am asked directly about my opinion on a certain social issue, I will keep that out of my platform.

    With the Libertarians working with me in the state, I know we are all on the same page and the one who protested the Clean Election petitioning does understand the reason why I am doing it. The 10% over pay “repayment” is something I take very seriously and when I ask the Libertarian candidate to back out of the race and support me, mainly because I have this industry behind me and we agree on everything except having cops and school bus drivers using black tar heroin.. That’s kind of a rolling jab about the Libertarian drug policy.

    One social I will make public is the sale of Marijuana, but once it’s turned into a fiscal item, it loses the stigma of being evil into something healthier than hard liquor and highly taxable.

    Campaign money? I will hire a decent manger who will set up TV / radio talk shows, meetings, speeches, a few TV ads because I am an unknown and strategic Internet (and billboard) ads for the youth and for the millions that waste s much time on Facebook. A phone room person to run the volunteers, and a skilled administrator who can handle things when I am on the road. Security will be a costly ticket and I have already received a few innuendo styled threats against my family when I am on the road.

    I appreciate the advice and will update the website as this progresses.

  11. Dave Terry

    William Saturn November 1, 2013 at 2:15 am

    “I have a philosophical question to pose.”

    “One arguing against free markets suggests that in a completely pure free market economy, with demand for organizations to inflict harm on adversaries, nuclear weapons can be privately developed and sold for use with catastrophic results. How can such an argument be countered?”

    Presuming that you are positing a “pure free market economy”, with the total absence of any government whatsoever, the argument CANNOT be countered. Anarchy ALWAYS results in a civil war. Isn’t it time that we “Libertarians” gave the gate to wild-eyed anarchists?

  12. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    DT says:”Anarchy ALWAYS results in a civil war”

    What??? Can you give me even a couple examples of anarchy leading to civil war?

  13. DSZ

    From an anthropological perspective, anarchy doesn’t mean civil war – there isnt enough concentrated power to raise and pay armies to launch what we’d call a war. Instead if you look at a place like interior parts of New Guinea where even chiefs have little to no power (except by what is volunteered to them), people live in suspicion of outsiders and always try to find a connection to family they’re familiar with when they meet you. So absent a justice system, people live in cycles of vengeance killings and thefts.

  14. Andy

    “So absent a justice system, people live in cycles of vengeance killings and thefts.”

    And this differs from having a coercive government where people live in cycles of vengeance and theft how?

  15. John Lewis Mealer

    Hello Dave,
    Technically we are living in an Anarchy right now, because we are not living under the rule of law and the US Government has violated our Bill of Rights (the Law). While they have crossed over to statutory regulations and police power while doing the bidding of global conglomerates such as Walmart and the like and defense contractors such as Rayheon (aka General Motors)… We have nothing that is close to free enterprise. It’s all pay-yo-play.

    Free enterprise does not include stolen goods such as missiles and nukes and America doe shave safety requirements for the good of the nation as well as of fellow Americans that would prevent either of us from somehow manufacturing nukes and missiles for retail/wholesale to who ever wants them. That is not a protected right and in fact, would be a violation of the right for everyone else to live in peace.

    I believe that even the Ninth Amendment omits the ability to reserve the right to build weapons of mass destruction.

    To me- Free Enterprise is giving everyone a level playing field without larger corporations/businesses from having laws created to lean in their favor while the little guy with the dream, the plans and the ability to gather funding to compete with the conglomerates is crushed under regulations and rules. (Hence anarchy because the rule of law has been dismissed in favor of fraud and special interest groups).

    Those are my views…

  16. Dave Terry

    (JP); “What??? Can you give me even a couple examples of anarchy leading to civil war?

    The “Reign of Terror” – 1793-1794 following the fall of the French Monarchy comes to mind immediately. The English Civil War and the reign of Oliver Cromwell and the period of flux
    and instability during the Russian Revolution would also qualify.

  17. Dave Terry

    (DSZ): “From an anthropological perspective, anarchy doesn’t mean civil war – there isnt enough concentrated power to raise and pay armies to launch what we’d call a war.

    Non sequitur! It IS the lack of concentrated power (organized armies) that lends support and
    prolongs periods of anarchy. THAT doesn’t mean that people aren’t at “WAR”. It simply means
    that no single power has arisen to take (authoritarian?) control.

    The OTHER half of the equation anarchy = warfare is anarchy/warfare = authoritarianism (strong man)

    “So absent a justice system, people live in cycles of vengeance killings and thefts.”

    Exactly, “absent a justice system” MEANS “absent a governing body”

  18. Dave Terry

    (ANDY): ”

    “So absent a justice system, people live in cycles of vengeance killings and thefts.”

    “And this differs from having a coercive government where people live in cycles of vengeance and theft how?”

    THIS is a false dichotomy and you are being disingenuous.

    !. It ISN’T a question of either/or. You are inferring that we small government advocates are, in someway also advocating “coercive” (properly defined) government. NOT SO!

    2. As JLM correctly pointed out, “we are living in a (SEMI) Anarchy right now, because we are not living under the rule of law and the US Government has violated our Bill of Rights.
    Clearly, the answer is to repair the republic and expand our civil liberties, NOT cut our noses off to spite our face.

  19. Steven Wilson

    Anyone running in the state of California and interested in the US Senate might grab this one. It gets better every time I see it. Someone had this posted to me on facebook.

    CBRE was awarded the contract to sell off the US Postal service properties to cover their current debt load.
    CBRE is not only selling the properties but they are also performing the assessment to ascertain market value of each property.
    Richard Blum is the Chairman of CBRE.
    Diane Feinstein is the wife of Richard Blum.
    Diane Feinstein is the US Senator for California since 1992.
    Blum Capital, a private equity firm founded by Richard Blum, is one of CBRE’s larger institutional stockholders.

    Too good to pass up. Happy Monday California!!

  20. John Lewis Mealer

    Good work Steven.
    Another thing to note is the Reid railway to nowhere and the Pelosi and her developer husband’s connection to the dried up Simi Valley (and most agricultural areas in California) and the open corridor they are vying to purchase once the railway is set to deliver passengers and goods from LV to San Diego to LA to SF through a newly developed stretch of old farmland which may become a mecca of retail and whatnot. Essentially a corridor of high priced homes, shops and other businesses.

    We should urge someone in California to run under the Americans Elect ballot access and/or one of the IAP positions. To spell out the truth if nothing else.

    Anyone in California want to spend some time trying to kill corruption??

  21. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    I’m in CA, and Feinstein is not only a disgrace, she’s a criminal. The railway mentioned above will be an enormous waste of taxpayers money, but apparently our near-bankrupt state insists on going through with it.

  22. Andy

    “Jill Pyeatt Post authorNovember 4, 2013 at 12:05 pm
    I’m in CA, and Feinstein is not only a disgrace, she’s a criminal.”

    There ought to be a recall petition drive launched against Diane Feinstein, but of course getting it on the ballot and actually getting her removed from office is easier said than done given the special interest groups that would line up behind her, but she is certainly one of the politicians who deserves to be recalled the most.

  23. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    What’s with politicians who won’t retire? She’s ancient and filthy rich, retire already!!

    The citizens won’t do anything to get rid of her.

  24. Andy

    “Jill Pyeatt Post authorNovember 4, 2013 at 1:01 pm
    What’s with politicians who won’t retire? She’s ancient and filthy rich, retire already!!”

    I just looked up Diane Feinstein’s age. I did not realize that she was 80, I thought she was younger than that. That’s old, but she is still relatively young compared to the ages that Robert Byrd and Strom Thurmond reached while still in the US Senate.

    Diane Feinstein is a case study of a politician who got filthy, stinking rich while “serving” in government.

  25. Jill Pyeatt

    https://www.facebook.com/jill.pyeatt#!/groups/DebPendleton/permalink/572142672857496/?comment_id=572868522784911&offset=0&total_comments=15&notif_t=group_activity

    Here’s a good Facebook page that could use our support. Here’s a good example of what we’re up against in a thread today:

    Timeline Photos

    Americans age 18-24 are far more likely to be Independent than Democrat or Repub…See More

    By: Independent Voter.

    Unlike · · Stop Notifications · Yesterday at 12:33pm.

    Seen by 14

    You and Nadia Sindi like this…

    Patt Reid Cause both parties suck? I like the bird/eagle as the icon for independents, or the ‘free birds’ as it were.

    15 hours ago · Unlike · 1..

    Martha Deacon Ok, so let’s imagine Congress moving in that direction. Who has the speakership is far more potent than a few seats here or there. Where are the independent representatives going to caucus? and won’t that just make them dems and repubs with other labels? Though more Bernie Sanderses and Barney Frankses is a delightful idea, yet they were, for all serious purposes, the leftmost Democrats.

    5 hours ago · Like..

    Deb Rios Pendleton the republican party is self destructing into two segments. the goal is to do the same to the democratic party–destroy it

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    Martha Deacon whose goal? and if it is won, what then?

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    Deb Rios Pendleton the goal of people like me. to fracture both parties so that a third party can win. essentially what happened when Bill Clinton won the first time. no mandate.

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    Deb Rios Pendleton it will tie the hands of whatever party wins because they will barely win and won’t have the mandate to push their agenda. render them a lame duck

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    Deb Rios Pendleton the real key though is in destroying their power to make war. I think that’s what happened to Obama when he tried to make a war on Syria. it was really third party power that stopped him.–a coalition of libertarian and progressives.

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    Martha Deacon clinton had a mandate. what I am saying is that winning is an opening; then you have to govern. and to govern, you need to caucus, and that, unless you hold 51% of the seats, means negotiation. If you are the ones set to ‘destroy’ your needed allies, b…See More

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    Deb Rios Pendleton WAR is the key; it’s the machine that drives the two party system. both mainstream republicans and democrats always agree on WAR. it’s the third party that can throw a wrench in it.

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    Deb Rios Pendleton my major issue in politics is anti-war. everything else is secondary to me. I will go with whatever party most guarantees no war.

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    Martha Deacon well, if sabotage is the horizon of your political view, perhaps you can get there. I have higher hopes for positive governance, which requires positive goals, including peace and control of military adventures. But that means real-world attention to t…See More

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    Deb Rios Pendleton it will take sheer sabotage for the war machine to end. and I’m all for that

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    Deb Rios Pendleton and yes, view the independents as the major spoiler for both the democratic and republican party agendas. gridlock is preferable.

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    Jill Pyeatt Yes, Deb!!! You said it, Sister! Nothing is as important as STOPPING THESE WARS!!!

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    Deb Rios Pendleton please invite your likeminded friends to the group Jill Pyeatt because I fear we’re outnumbered on here

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  26. Bondurant

    People often overlook too that Feinstein was in bed with The People’s Temple (as was Harvey Milk). Politics can sink to the lowest of levels. Her relationship with Jones and Co. was detailed in the excellent book Season of the Witch.

  27. paulie

    Press Release
    For Immediate Release
    Wednesday, November 6, 2013
    Virginia Libertarian for governor vote total shows LP rising

    Robert Sarvis won 6.5 percent of the vote in a hotly contested three-way race for governor of Virginia, easily surpassing the previous high won by a Libertarian for governor (0.7 percent in 1990) in the state.

    It was the third-highest vote total for a Libertarian in a governor’s race in the party’s history, in any state.

    In 1982, Libertarian state representative Dick Randolph won 15 percent of the vote for governor in Alaska. In 2010, Ed Thompson, brother of former George W. Bush cabinet member and Wisconsin governor Tommy Thompson, won 11 percent of the vote in the state.

    Robert Sarvis campaigned full-time across Virginia for months, with the support of a dedicated campaign team, volunteers, and his wife Astrid Sarvis.

    The Sarvis campaign was especially attractive to young voters. An exit poll conducted by Edison Research shows that Sarvis won 15 percent of voters age 18–29.

    Sarvis’s success was aided by Cuccinelli’s social conservative agenda, unpopular among most Virginia voters, which stood in stark contrast to Sarvis’s advocacy for personal freedoms.

    Purple PAC, a super PAC which spent more than $300,000 for TV ads supporting Sarvis, also boosted the campaign, which raised and spent more than $200,000 on its own.

    Chuck Moulton, chairman for the Libertarian Party of Virginia said, “A record-breaking number of Virginia voters have sent a message that they prefer the open-minded and open-for-business libertarianism of Robert Sarvis to the crazy social agenda of the Republicans and the crony capitalism of the Democrats. The Libertarian Party of Virginia is excited to build on this success by expanding its membership and running ever more highly qualified candidates in 2014 and beyond.”

  28. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    It’s being reported on Facebook that Adam Kokesh is out of jail, after pleading guilty to a couple weapons charges and drug possession. This is a highly surprising result. I’m sure there’s a whole lot more to the story, which we’ll probably never get to know, but I believe this will almost certainly lead to prison time for him.

  29. Dave Terry

    (Jill) “This is a highly surprising result. I’m sure there’s a whole lot more to the story, which we’ll probably never get to know, but I believe this will almost certainly lead to prison time for him.”

    “Those who go to the Archipelago to administer it get there via the training schools of the (Homeland Security Administration)”..

    “Those who go there to be guards are conscripted via the military conscription centers.”

    “And those who, like you and me, dear reader, go there to die, must get there solely and compulsorily via arrest.”

    ? Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago

  30. Deran

    Kshama Sawant, the woman running as a socialist for Seattle City Council has pulled to with in 2.5% of the well-funded, Big Business-lap dog incumbent, Richard Conlin. And as the Seattle Times analysis says, if the votes keep going her way over the next few days she will win. I’ve never been a Trotskyist, and I don’t play one on TV, but you have to give Sawant and Socialist Alternative serious credit for the strength of her campaign.

    http://blogs.seattletimes.com/politicsnorthwest/2013/11/07/sawant-could-still-beat-conlin-in-city-council-race/

    And the Socialist Alternative city council candidate in Minneapolis is also in a close second, and Minneapolis uses ranked choice voting, so the final vote won’t be known for a few days.

  31. Deran

    The socialist, Kshama Sawant is now at 49.49% and the Democrat, Conlin is down to 50.31% in the Seattle city council race. The votes are continuing to break for Sawant. There won’t be any more vote totals until next Tuesday.

    Yesterday the incumbent Democrat, Richard Conlin, announced he wil not seek reelection in four years. As if that will cause the mailed in votes to increase in his direction.

    On the other hand, the initiative in the city south of Seattle, SeaTac, where the airport is, the Yes vote on a $15 an hour minimum wage (which would include people working at the airport) is starting to lose it’s large Yes majority. Big Business has spent a great deal of money to try and keep the working people from earning a living wage.

  32. Ventura Watch 2016

    Gov. Ventura joined hundreds of other protesters outside the Redkins-Vikings game Monday night picketing against the word “Redskins.”

  33. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    I see on Facebook that today is Thomas Knapp’s birthday. Happy birthday to Thomas!

  34. Andy

    ” Ventura Watch 2016 November 10, 2013 at 2:57 am
    Gov. Ventura joined hundreds of other protesters outside the Redkins-Vikings game Monday night picketing against the word ‘Redskins.'”

    Since I think that they are using public pressure rather than running to use the law, I don’t have a problem with them expressing their opinion, but I can’t say that I agree with them. If they are going to protest the Redskins or other teams with Native American mascots, then why not protest the Norte Dame Fighting Irish, or the Boston Celtics, or the Minnesota Vikings? Is the name Dallas Cowboys offensive to cowboys? Is the name Pittsburgh Steelers offensive to steel workers? If anything, having a sports team named after you should be a badge of honor. It seems to me that they are being overly sensitive cry babies.

  35. paulie

    Why didn’t he protest the Vikings use of that name? Isn’t it offensive to Scandinavians? LOL.

    I know that the name “Redskins” is offensive to a number of people, but on the list of things to get outraged about I think a sports team’s use of a name that is offensive to some people is pretty minor, relatively speaking.

    Honestly, I think the Washington whiteskins are causing a lot more problems for our country and for the world than the Washington Redskins.

    Here’s an article I posted before…I still think it makes a lot of good points:

    http://libertycrier.com/obama-pushes-redskins-name-change-uses-tomahawk-missiles-apache-helicopters/

    Say what you want about President Obama, his sense of taste and sensitivity is matched by few in public office. Earlier this month in an interview with the Associated Press, President Obama said that if he were the owner of the Washington Redskins and he knew the name was “offending a sizable group of people,” then he would “think about changing it.”

    Joining the president’s sentiments is NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, who had previously shown support for the team’s mascot but has lately changed his tune a bit. During halftime of Sunday night’s broadcast of the Redskins-Cowboys game, sportscaster Bob Costas also weighed in, calling our capital’s team name “an insult, a slur, no matter how benign the present-day intent.”

    I have been very critical of President Obama these last few years, but thankfully there is finally something that I can agree with him on! And due to the president’s progressive credentials, I hope that he will lead stubborn Redskins owner Dan Snyder by example.

    For example, it was barely a month ago that President Obama and his cabinet could not wait to get the U.S. into yet another war, this time in Syria. The warships were deployed to the Mediterranean. On Obama’s orders, they would have fired Tomahawk missiles into Syria.

    A Tomahawk axe, derived from Powhatan tamahaac, was a hatchet used by Native Americans all over the continent. In popular culture, it is generally used to portray the supposed savagery of Indians, as a caricature, and to rally Braves at Turner Field in Atlanta (now talk about offensive!).

    For the rest of the world, the American government’s version is an incredibly expensive representation of empire and hegemony, a hatchet from the sky that vaporizes towns on the president’s whim. Where is the outrage over this name?

    If this were the only one, it might be easy to understand. But the list goes on. The U.S. military has named helicopters after Apache, Blackhawk, Chinook, Chamanche, Iroquois, and Kiowa tribes. The “Collateral Murder” video leaked by Chelsea Manning starred the Apache versions, giving a slight glimpse into what these helicopters are used for. And all of these weapons systems are at the president’s disposal.

    If Robert Griffin III’s aerial attack needs a new name, then so does the president’s.

    Why there is such silence over the use of Native American names for tools of death, destruction, and conquest when compared to a silly sports team? Since Native Americans themselves seem to be fairly disinterested in the matter, part of it undoubtedly stems from a culture of politically correct hysteria, where mostly white, guilt-ridden liberals pine over how racist and intolerant everyone else is. Bob Costas may shed crocodile tears over the use of the name Redskins, but I am sure he won’t think twice about cashing his check for covering their games.

    But it runs much deeper than that. A society so acquiescent to militarism is not only destructive but also leads to a dangerous ignorance of history. Calling our sports teams Redskins and Indians may spark outrage today, but there is a reason much of our offensive military weaponry is named after Native American tribes: to the victor goes the spoils.

    After the Civil War, the Union Army immediately looked west and began a military campaign that only can be described as deliberate genocide and ethnic cleansing of the Plains Indians. General Sherman, who boasted about employing “total war” against Southern cities, used the same tactics in his proposed “final solution to the Indian problem.” Decades later, it nearly was final, and the rest were gathered into concentration camps.

    It is also interesting to contrast the violent and genocidal relationship the U.S. government had with Native Americans to the mostly peaceful cooperation regular Americans had with them. The Great Northern Railway, a private railway system running from Minnesota to Seattle, was built without government subsidies by negotiating and purchasing land, not by razing and stealing it. Early Americans, especially Quakers, regarded Native Americans as human beings deserving of respect and traded with them voluntarily in the free market.

    Native Americans were the first people to be conquered by the U.S. government, and their names that now grace military hardware serve as a type of sick ode to this launching pad for further military adventurism, domination, and empire. A century later, nearly every single country in the world has experienced the wrath of an Apache helicopter or Tomahawk missile to the cheers and patriotic flag-waving of Americans on the home front.

    But don’t you dare call a sports team the Redskins! Can’t you see how offensive it is!?

    Yes, it is outdated and arcane. But so is the mindset behind militarism and an aggressive foreign policy. These are relics from the days of monarchs, not hallmarks of a supposed constitutional republic dedicated to liberty.

    And if you ask me, given the U.S. government’s record of war, debt, and authoritarian laws, the Redskins should be ashamed of Washington, not the other way around.

  36. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    I’m really surprised that people don’t see the difference here. The term “Redskins” is NOT along the lines of “Vikings” or “cowboys” or “Fighting Irish”. It’s more along the lines of “Nigger”, “Nip”, “Spick”, or “Kike”, So, who wants to change their name to “Washington Niggers”?

  37. Andy

    “Jill Pyeatt Post authorNovember 10, 2013 at 4:05 pm
    I’m really surprised that people don’t see the difference here. The term ‘Redskins’ is NOT along the lines of ‘Vikings’ or ‘cowboys’ or “Fighting Irish'”

    The Fighting Irish is negative stereotyping of Irish people getting drunk and getting into fights.

    The outrage over sports teams with Native American names are not limited to the Redskins, I’ve heard it about every team with a Native American name. There was a big controversy over it when I was in North Dakota in 2012 as the mascot for the University of North Dakota is the Fighting Sioux.

  38. Dave Terry

    “It’s more along the lines of “Nigger”, “Nip”, “Spick”, or “Kike”,

    Insult is more often in the mind of the hearer than the speaker

    Jill, you are the one who is making mountains out of sand.

    I am 1/4 Cherokee AND 3/16 Chickasaw, (i.e. 43.75 % redskin, Indian, Native American,
    Aboriginal American. I find nothing insulting or condescending in any of those terms.

    Actually as a vet who spend 27 months in Japan, I find “Jap” offensive, but not Nip.

    Incidentally, the term “Kike came about completely innocently. When the wave of Jewish immigration began, the forms that the Immigration Department required that immigrants
    fill in blanks or “check” the correct box with an “X”. Most of the Jewish immigrants identified
    the “X” with the cross, a Christian symbol, so they chose to make them with an “O”, which
    in Yiddish is pronounced “kikel”; thus the term Kike was born.

  39. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    “Making mountains out of sand”? I commented on something. On a scale of 1 to 10 of what’s important to me, then name of a football team isn’t even on my list.

  40. Matt Cholko

    As a Washingtonian who spends a fair amount of time listening to sports talk radio, I hear about this stuff all the time. It has become clear that the name is offense to some people. However, it appears to be a very, very small number of people. Most people who fit the definition of Redskin do not seem to be offended. Therefore, I just don’t give s**t about the issue. Frankly, I think the issue is being pushed primarily by one tribe that is hungry for publicity. That doesn’t mean they’re wrong, but the sincerity of their concern is in question, at least in my mind.

    With that said, I’m betting the name is changed within the next decade. And, I’m betting the world will keep turning afterwards.

  41. paulie

    With that said, I’m betting the name is changed within the next decade.

    I wonder to what? The Washington Lobbyists? Maybe the Washington Spymasters?

  42. Andy

    Matt Cholko said: “With that said, I’m betting the name is changed within the next decade.”

    If they want to change it to a name that strikes fear into the heart of their opponents, and has something to do with the area where the team is located, how about they change the name to the Washington Bureaucrats or the Washington Politicians?

  43. Dave Terry

    Jill; ““Making mountains out of sand”? I commented on something. On a scale of 1 to 10 of what’s important to me, then name of a football team isn’t even on my list”

    Well, you DID comment on it and you DON’T comment on everything, so I HAVE to assume that it was AT LEAST 1 or 2 on your list. So you are making “hills” or “dunes” out of sand?

    Since you EQUATED “redskin” with nigger”, I’d HOPE that, at least in your mind, that warranted
    a 4. :>)

  44. Liberty for AMerica November Issue

    The November 2013 Liberty for America is out!
    http://libertyforamerica.com/201311.pdf

    Editorials
    NSA State Secret Police are Watching You
    De-Elect Di-Fi
    Reject Congressman Paul
    States’ Wrongs

    Libertarians Across America
    Sarvis, Kaplan Finish Third; Others Win
    Much Other News

    Where Your Money Went
    2012 NatCon Made Money
    2012 NatCon Lost Money
    Audit Committee Report — Potential Firestorm
    Johnson 2012 June 2012
    LNC September 2013

    LNC In Action

    Technology

    Libertarians Around the World—South Africa

  45. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    Dave: I confess to you that I don’t get the football thing AT ALL. I don’t understand anything involving chasing a ball. Therefore, I have no appreciation of tradition or why someone just doesn’t change their mascot name if it becomes a problem. We’re a Cherokee family, and, frankly, yeah, I think it’s offensive, but I don’t lose sleep over it.

    For these few years, I do have an interest in UCLA football because my son is in their band and gets us free tickets when they play in the Rose Bowl. I guess there’s not much offensive in “Bruins”–or is there?

    Of course, they’ve only lost 2 games this season, one to Oregon–grumble, grumble–

  46. Dave Terry

    The day of that game, I wore my UCLA hat to work and made some remarks at the half,
    that I had to EAT after the 4th quarter.

    Did I mention, I work about 40 miles south of Portland, Oregon.

    Anyway, GO Bruins – BEAT the “Indians”. Sorry, but Stanford is STILL the Indians, no matter
    WHAT their politically correct name is nowadays!

    So, I’m an almost half Native American rooting for wild animals against other Indians – go figure!

  47. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    Wayne’s got a new gig:

    http://www.swissamerica.com/press.php

    Looks like he wrote his press release:

    11.12.13 – In these troubling times of spiraling taxes, runaway debt and deficits fueled by corrupt politicians, Swiss America has declared W.A.R. on the progressive “murder” of the middle class.

    W.A.R stands for Wayne Allyn Root, who is a blue collar SOB (son of a butcher), President Obama’s college classmate at Columbia, turned Vice Presidential nominee, national bestselling author, conservative political commentator, serial entrepreneur, small business champion, private equity guru and true blue American patriot.

    Wayne Allyn Root joins the legendary Pat Boone as spokesman and media personality for Swiss America. Wayne’s role is to reach a new generation of younger Americans, from recent college graduates to small business owners, entrepreneurs, and independent contractors- the groups most effected by Obamacare and Obama’s destruction of jobs.

    Wayne is one of the most dynamic, passionate, colorful and fiery political and economic commentators in the world today. He is a former anchorman and host (for the network now known as CNBC), superstar media personality, and a regular guest on Fox News Channel, as well as columnist for many of the top conservative web sites in the country, including FoxNews.com and Glenn Beck’s TheBlaze.com. The national media has dubbed Wayne “The CAPITALIST EVANGELIST.”

    Swiss America CEO Dean Heskin says, “We decided to unleash W.A.R. to help the American public understand the ‘ROOT’ issue of America’s rapid social and economic decline. The U.S. must abruptly change direction by 2014 – away from failed Progressive policies and toward the small government and free markets our Founding Fathers fought to preserve in the U.S. Constitution.”

  48. Jed Ziggler (@JedZiggler)

    The Justice Party tweeted this interesting article from Ken Goldstein: Myths and Lies of the Two-Party System

    “If you have ever suggested to somebody that you might be voting for a “third party” candidate, you have probably experienced the rolling of eyes, and some rude comment meant to impugn your intelligence.
    Most of us allow ourselves to be bullied into choosing “the lesser of two evils” – the Democrat or the Republican. The truth is, most of the arguments against third parties are based on popular myths or outright lies.
    A few of the major myths and lies of the two party system are:

    1. Myth One: The Wasted Vote

    2. Myth Two: The Chances of Winning

    3. Myth Three: It’s The American Way

    4. Myth Four: A Vote for X is a Vote for Y

    5. Myth Five: Voters are Apathetic”

    Read the full article here: http://thegic.org/profiles/blogs/myths-and-lies-of-the-two-party-system

  49. Dave Terry

    J. Ziggler; “These candidates campaigned on issues that are critical to European-Americans without being stigmatized as “racists” for nationalist principles of the American Freedom Party.

    Mr. Ziggler, could you inform us as to what you mean by “issues that are critical to European-
    Americans” AND why those issues might be ‘stigmatized’ as “racist”.

  50. Dave Terry

    Sorry for the confusion, Mr. Ziggler. I thought you and Paulie were going AT each other, not singing a duet! :>)

    Actually, however, I DON’T believe that these loonies ARE a legitimate political “PARTY”; since they have never been on a ballot anywhere under this name.

  51. Jed Ziggler (@JedZiggler)

    @Dave Terry

    Well they were on the ballot as the American Third Position Party, the name change is recent. And me posting a link to third party news does not equal an endorsement. I’m a leftward-leaning Libertarian so the AFP doesn’t appeal to me at all.

  52. Dave Terry

    Sorry Paulie. You can save your compliments, I’m straight and happily married.
    But you do have good taste. :>)

  53. Deran

    As of 4pm Pacific, Tuesday November 12, Kshama Sawant, the “out” socialist candidate for Seattle City Council has taken the lead, albeit by only 41 votes. There are abt 20+k votes left to tally for the race, but Sawants percent of each day’s tally has been increasing (to 57% today), and the math would favor her winning the Seattle City Council seat. A socialist elected to a major city municipal legislature. When was the last time an avowed Trotskyist was elected to a major office of any kind in the US?

    http://your.kingcounty.gov/elections/2013nov-general/results/12nov/results.pdf

    http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2013/11/12/kshama-sawant-the-eyes-of-the-left-nationally-and-internationally-are-on-seattle

  54. Deran

    socialist candidate Kshama Sawant has increased her lead against Democratic Party incumbent Seattle City Councilman Richard Conlin to 402 votes. Sawant’s lead was 41 votes yesterday.

  55. johnO

    Sorry, Socialist Alternative, not Socialist Action. Ms. Sawant I believe is her name. Very close count per Ballot Action News.

  56. paulie

    Jill,

    Too much to reply to in that one. I’d have to write a book 🙂

    We can start with the “privileged background” BS. I grew up as, first, a member of a traditionally discriminated against minority in a housing project in a “provincial” region of a second world country, and later in some of the highest crime inner city urban neighborhoods in the US.

    The rest of the rant is equally off base.

    Jed,

    “To quote Greenwald himself, “Any Twitter or Facebook accounts purporting to be Edward Snowden are fake.” Period.”

    Perhaps, but I had a friend request on Facebook from Snowden before he became famous. He’s a young techie, so it would seem rather strange for him not to have any social media accounts; perhaps he shut them all down?

    I’d be interested to know if there is a verifiable way to get a hold of him. I read that he has been offered a job at vkontakte (in contact), the Russian equivalent of facebook. However, even more recently I read that he is running out of money, so maybe that didn’t work out. If possible, I’d like to interview him; he has mentioned that he voted alt party, so that could make it on topic for IPR.

  57. Jed Ziggler (@JedZiggler)

    I track a number of national minor parties’ Twitter feeds. Here are some interesting article links tweeted by the parties in the last couple days:

    Libertarian Party (@LPNational)

    The Libertarian Party tweeted this article about a recent court ruling that put Jim Tomasik on the ballot in a Tennessee state house special election. “Libertarians win historic court case putting partisan LP Tennessee candidates on ballot” http://www.lp.org/blogs/staff/libertarians-win-historic-court-case-putting-partisan-lp-tennessee-candidates-on-ballot

    Green Party (@GPUS)

    2012 Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein & Green Shadow Cabinet member Margaret Flowers will be featured on Moyers & Company on PBS this Sunday. The Green Party tweeted the show preview here: “Preview: The Path of Positive Resistance” http://billmoyers.com/segment/preview-the-path-of-positive-resistance/

    Constitution Party (@cnstitutionprty)

    The Constitution Party of Alabama is outlining its ballot access strategy for 2014. “News Release 11/12/2013” http://www.cpalabama.org/press-release-11122013/

    Peace and Freedom Party (@peaceandfreedom)

    2014 California gubernatorial candidate Cindy Sheehan will be featured on PRN radio show Political Analysis. “Political Analysis – Cindy Sheehan Runs for California Governor, Rocks the Corporate- Owned Boat, and Challenges Big Oil and Gas’ Best Friend Jerry Brown (And the Status Quo) — All at the Same Time” http://prn.fm/2013/11/political-analysis-cindy-sheehan-111213/

  58. paulie

    Thanks, those are good. I sent the first one to the IPR writers email lists earlier. The rest are news to me and I’ll pass them on to the email lists now. Hopefully someone will write them up. I can also ask Warren to sign you up if you’d like to give posting them yourself a try.

  59. Deran

    Kshama Sawant, the socialist candidate for Seattle City Council is inow 1148 votes in the lead and local media are declaring her the winner. The incumbent has not conceded, and there will no doubt be a recount. First socialist elected to a major city’s municipal legislature since Milwaukie in the 1950s. And the first time a Trotskyist has been elected to anything that I’m aware of. Even though the city elections are nonpartisan, Sawant was very outspoken abt being a socialist. Legal weed, marriage equality and now a socialist in the city hall. WhatWhat’s next, Ralph Nader finally gets elected president?

    I think Socialist Alternative is now the leading socialist electoral force in the US. It will be interesting if they can keep their Leninism from running amok and alienating everyone, and whether a broader socialist political party emerge from the coalition that elected her and helped Ty Moore in Minneapolis.

    I think Sawant’s success is in many ways an out growth of Occupy Wall Street. I think that after the failure of OWS people are looking for more practical organizational forms and real achievements.

    Now let’s see if she can be as innovative and successful in office as she was campaigning.

  60. paulie

    I’m generally against socialism, but I’m happy a minor party candidate won. More evidence that people are tired of the status quo. Great news for all.

    Agreed.

  61. George Phillies

    While the price of gold was running up and up and up, there were all these people claiming that we had massive inflation, hidden from the people who were buying things, caused by the Federal Reserve system, etc, martian silver merchants, etc etc. Now that the price of gold is crashing, these people seem to have faded from sight. Alas, their belief in their crock economic theory appears to be intact.

  62. paulie

    http://www.lp.org/blogs/staff/need-your-help :

    Dear Friend of Liberty,

    I need your help for some upcoming ballot access battles.

    I want you to help me raise $45,000 for this online in 45 days.

    Please donate today.

    The Libertarian Party is considering petition drives for 2014 in Illinois and New York, and possibly will help in other places. The Libertarian National Committee will be meeting in Dallas in early December to adopt a budget.

    Please help me show our board members that you are standing firm with the Libertarian Party.

    Robert Sarvis and his campaign team recently showed how much media and attention our party can get when we get on a statewide ballot. They helped turn the race for governor in Virginia from a meaningless bickering match between two Republicrats to a debate about Libertarian issues and solutions, and what it means to be Libertarian.

    The Republican governor of Ohio just signed a bill that kicks the Libertarian Party off the Ohio ballot. It’s an outrage. The Libertarian Party of Ohio filed a lawsuit right away. They may need our help at some point.

    Please donate today on this special ballot access fund page. The donation page shows how much we’ve raised, and I’ll keep you posted on our progress as well.

    We’ll need to raise well over $45,000 for this, but I want you to help me raise $45,000 online in 45 days.

    Please donate today.

    Yours in liberty,

    Wes Benedict
    Executive Director
    Libertarian National Committee

  63. Andy

    “Patrick Duke November 15, 2013 at 8:56 pm”

    Hey, it looks like IPR’s own government plant is back. Which agency do you work for, CIA, FBI, NSA, DOD, DHS?

    I would not be surprised if this person posts here as a regular LP member under their real name as well. It also would not surprise me if this person attends LP meetings, and may even be a sitting member of a state committee or the national committee. Yes, I think things are really this F’d up that it is a real possibility.

  64. Andy

    Really weird coincidence to see John Slevin and Eric Dondero popping up here at the same time attacking Paul. I didn’t think that there was any connection between the two, although it is possible that they could have worked together back in the 1990’s or 1980’s. As far as I know, Slevin is a pretty hardcore Libertarian, so I can’t imagine him being on the same page as Republican lap dog Dondero, unless of course both of them are government plants that are playing different roles. This also assumes that it is really them posting, which it may not be. Can anyone check their IP addresses?

  65. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    Yes, all those people had the same IP, and it is the same IP as the nasty Nazi troll that gave us so much trouble in the spring.

    I really didn’t appreciate having to log in to the dashboard at the UCLA football game to delete his 10 or 12 obnoxious and offensive posts. I can’t imagine that this is fun when we delete them as soon as someone who has access to the dashboard checks in. It seems like a strange way to get your jollies.

    Whatever.

  66. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    Hopefully, we can get you signed up soon, Jed. I don’t know if Paulie has had a chance to talk to Warren about it. He hasn’t been around for a week or two, so maybe he’s out of town, or maybe he’s just been busy. Anyway, yes, that would be a great article.

  67. Bondurant

    What will the socialists in Seattle do if they get their $15 per hour and then places stop hiring, cutting jobs or leave and small mom and pop places go out of business? It will be too late to elect sane people at that point. I hope common sense prevails.

  68. paulie

    What will the socialists in Seattle do if they get their $15 per hour and then places stop hiring, cutting jobs or leave and small mom and pop places go out of business?

    Sign up for welfare?

  69. paulie

    Hopefully, we can get you signed up soon, Jed. I don’t know if Paulie has had a chance to talk to Warren about it.

    I did, several days ago. Unfortunately I can’t add people myself anymore.

    Yes, all those people had the same IP, and it is the same IP as the nasty Nazi troll that gave us so much trouble in the spring.

    I take it we had another nazi troll attack? He uses multiple IP anonymizers….

  70. paulie

    There needs to be a write-up on this.

    I agree. I was hoping someone else would do it but I may start posting articles again today, it seems I can’t get other people to post nearly as much as I can myself 🙁

  71. paulie

    LP supporters will eventually find very interesting the amazing audit committee report on LP Transactions.

    Yes, I expect it to be released probably next month I would guess. Unfortunately I am not allowed to talk about what’s in it right now.

  72. paulie

    I doubt that. We already have a lot of unemployment (much more than the statistics indicate, since many people are no longer counted as part of the labor force numbers because they have been unemployed for so long, or never get an on the books job in the first place, whereas they may have if the economy had been better). For some businesses for which moving overseas is not an option, moving to a nearby suburb or a different metro area may well be. For others, a move overseas may start to look more attractive. It’s likely that some marginally profitable businesses will go under and not be replaced. So, it will certainly cause a rise in unemployment and/or consumer prices. Most likely both.

  73. Andy

    “Jill Pyeatt Post authorNovember 16, 2013 at 4:04 am
    Yes, all those people had the same IP, and it is the same IP as the nasty Nazi troll that gave us so much trouble in the spring.”

    I’m not so sure that the person(s) in question is really a Nazi. The racist and “Jew baiting” comments may actually be part of the act, in fact, I would not be surprised if the person posting those comments was actually Jewish. It could be a way of throwing people off of their trail. Regardless of whether they are really a Nazi or a racist, or if it is part of an act, or just a person with a sick sense of humor, I find some of the comments, and the fact that whoever it is that posted those comments used the names John Slevin and Eric Dondero, to be quite strange.

    Why come here and do this? Maybe it is because this is a forum where a lot of Libertarians and other minor party and independent activists come for news and to network. Why keep attacking Paul? Maybe it is because he is being too effective.

    I would not be a bit surprised if this is a part of a government surveillance and sabotage operation.

  74. paulie

    The changes in inflation-adjusted minimum wage over the years have not been as dramatic as some people suppose. It’s never been $15 in today’s dollars, for example.

  75. George Phillies

    For people interested in the audit, Liberty for America has been presented with what is identified as the document. We will be discussing it in our next issue, or perhaps in a special issue to be released sooner. A few interesting quotations from the document we have received:


    Referring to the LNC paying LNC member Michael Cloud for writing things “…Using this amount of time as the best available reasonable gauge of the amount of work done, results in a rate of pay of approximately $400 per hour….”

    “The Policy Manual was violated in that there was never a written contract between the LNC and Mr. Cloud that was approved by the Chair and reviewed by General Counsel.
     Ms. Howell approved the payment of $38,800 to Mr. Cloud based on invoices that lacked supporting details explaining how the amount due was calculated.
     Staff assisted with constructing for the Audit Committee a detailed invoice and claimed that it was created around the time of the final payment in December 2012, while the information in the document could not have been known until July 2013. Chairman Neale agreed with our suspicion that staff constructed documents after the fact.”

    The document goes on for many pages. We will have to reconstruct if the numbers match numbers in the FEC reports, because if they do not the LNC may have legal problems as well as comments from the membership.

  76. paulie

    Well, I’m not sure if I am allowed to confirm or deny whether that is the actual audit report, so I better not say anything for now 🙂

  77. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    Whoever the troll is knew exactly what was going on. He posted a comment from “Concerned Libertarian Citizen”, who we recently had some trouble with. He also went to Robert Milnes’ website and lifted his very recent comments about the conversation we had with William Saturn last weekend.

    Also, I put the comments in trash, and then someone went in shortly after that and deleted the comments permanently from the trash.

    I agree with Andy that this may be a deliberate sabotage operation. I also continue to have a good clue who it is.

  78. George Phillies

    As reported by Liberty for America quite some time ago, according to FEC filings and the audit the LNC paid LNC Member Michael Cloud a large sum of money for writing work. There was apparently no contract approved by the chair and party attorney. However, the Audit Committee seems not to have the agreement between Cloud and the LNC.

  79. Andy

    Jill Pyeatt said: “I agree with Andy that this may be a deliberate sabotage operation. I also continue to have a good clue who it is.”

    Jill, do you still think that it is the same person who was your top suspect when we talked about this a few months ago, or do you have a different suspect in mind now?

  80. Andy

    “Jill Pyeatt Post authorNovember 16, 2013 at 1:40 pm
    Whoever the troll is knew exactly what was going on. He posted a comment from “Concerned Libertarian Citizen”, who we recently had some trouble with.:”

    Whoever it is has been monitoring the comments here for a long time.

    “Also, I put the comments in trash, and then someone went in shortly after that and deleted the comments permanently from the trash.”

    Would a person have to be signed up as a writer here to take comments out of the trash, or is this something that could be done by a hacker who is not signed up as a writer here?

    The fact that they went to the trouble to take the comments out of the trash and deleted them tells me that they wanted to destroy the evidence.

  81. Jim Duensing

    @ Jill – re the NV convention, dues were reduced to $25 from $50. My motion to make it zero failed. Organizing conventions will be held in January in any county with 5 members willing to serve as officers. The Excomm was extended to 9 members. Brett Pojunis became chair. I was elected to an at-large position.

    In Liberty, with Eternal Vigilance,

    Jim Duensing

  82. paulie

    Region1rep

    7:30 PM (15 minutes ago)

    to lnc-discuss
    Nevada LP convention concluded. No surprises; about the same as anyother of the many LP conventions I have attended. The Pojunis slate was elected. Everyone agrees a very fair and open convention.

    Norm

    Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G Touch

    Norman T Olsen
    Regional Representative, Region 1
    Libertarian National Committee
    7931 S Broadway PMB 102
    Littleton, CO 80122
    303_277_9967

  83. Jim Duensing

    Most of Brett’s officer slate was elected by acclimation with no opposition. The only real contested vote was for the at-large race. David Colborne got (I think) 28. I got 27. Jimmie Johnson (not the NASCAR champ) was in third with 16 or 17. I think I was the only one not on Brett’s team to get elected. 9 reps -but no Central rep. There is a designtaed Clark rep; a designated North (Washoe, Douglas, Story, and Carson) but no one representing the central counties (the other 12 rural counties) That’s a pretty big defect in my opinion, but one we can work on in Feb.

  84. George Phillies

    Jim,

    Thanks for your prompt response. Didn’t Sylvestri or his friends even run for chair or whatever?

    In the end, I hope you can all live up to the expectations that you have raised.

    Best,

    George

  85. Jim Duensing

    Silvestri resigned at the beginning of the convention to lots of applause and let Chris Roberts (who had been Vice Chair) run the meeting. Afterwards he didn’t even speak. I’m not even sure he voted.

    I’m hopeful this excomm can live up to those expectations as well.

  86. George Phillies

    Well, good for him for making a graceful exit rather than trying to cause trouble. I have seen the opposite, and you had a much more positive outcome than I saw here in Massachusetts a decade ago. It is a shame that it took this long, but look forward to the future.

  87. George Phillies

    Libertarian Association of Massachusetts Sets 2014 Campaign Goal

    The LAMA State Committee today voted a stretch goal for 2014: We will try to run more candidates for State Representative than the Republicans currently have State Reps. There are currently 33 State Reps in office, so we will target running at least 34 State Reps. We discussed running more candidates for State Representative than the Republicans are running, but that objective is hard to make work…we do not know how many candidates they will have.

    The Massachusetts State House has 160 representatives. Approximately 125 of them are Democrats. There is at least one vacancy.

  88. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    Andy, regarding your questions about the troll a few comments up: The person I think is the troll was one of my suspects in the spring, although not the prime suspect. As far as whether a hacker can get into the dashboard to delete the comments in the trash, I don’t know. I imagine that the trashed comments could have been deleted to eliminate the evidence. Again, it sure does seem like a dumb way to spend one’s time.

  89. Jim Duensing

    Elected Chairman: Brett H. Pojunis
    Elected Vice Chair: Jason Smith
    Elected Secretary: Lou Pombo
    Elected Treasurer: Tim Hagan
    Elected Northern Region Rep: Jim Keith
    Elected Southern Region Rep: Ronald Johnson
    Elected At Large Rep: Jimmy Johnson
    Elected At Large Rep: David Colborne
    Elected At Large Rep: Jim Duensing

  90. Antirevolutionary

    Congratulations to Kshama. Deran and I have not gotten along well, but I appreciate his coverage of this. Socialists should run for more local offices. I would support a run for President by Bernie Sanders in the Democratic primary. He should have pro-life Democrat Dan Lipinski as his running mate.

    On another topic, Roger Stone is on Coast to Coast AM tonight, discussing the JFK assassination. I’m no fan but it should be an interesting show, with John Wells (weekend host), much better than George Noory.

    Finally, I’m glad everything is going better for the LP of Nevada. As a follower of the drama over the past years, I am glad Silvestri finally realized it was time to step down, although it took way too long.

  91. Andy

    “Jill Pyeatt Post authorNovember 16, 2013 at 11:07 pm
    Andy, regarding your questions about the troll a few comments up: The person I think is the troll was one of my suspects in the spring, although not the prime suspect. As far as whether a hacker can get into the dashboard to delete the comments in the trash, I don’t know.”

    Does anyone out there know whether or not a person who is not signed up as a writer at IPR could have gone into the IPR dashboard and deleted comments that were in the trash? This is a very important question, because if the answer is no, it would mean that the troll would have to be somebody who is signed up as an IPR writer. This would mean that the top suspects are IPR writers, and it would make IPR’s Libertarian writers the very top suspects.

    “I imagine that the trashed comments could have been deleted to eliminate the evidence. Again, it sure does seem like a dumb way to spend one’s time.”

    It is not necessarily a “dumb” way to spend one’s time if one’s goal is to sabotage the Libertarian Party, especially if one is getting paid to sabotage the Libertarian Party.

  92. Andy

    This was posted by long time Libertarian Party member Ted Brown in the Libertarian Radical Caucus group. It was posted in response to my having posted some comments about government infiltration of political parties and movements, and then questioning if there are any government plants in the Libertarian Party.

    “That’s true about infiltration — right from the beginning. Ed Clark, the LP’s 1980 presidential candidate and now a senior party statesman, told us that he made an FOIA request for himself. The result showed that there was a government plant at the organizing meeting of the LP of California in Ed’s living room in 1972 or 1973. The name was redacted, of course. Ed told this story over 20 years ago. He said that he knew everyone at that meeting and kept contact with all of them for years afterwards. So that means a long-time pioneer LP activist was working for the FBI or some other agency.

    Of course there have been other activists over the years whom people suspected of being plants, just because of how toxic they were to the organization. I think that these people were too strange to work for the government. It’s the ones you don’t suspect who can be the most dangerous.

    Ted Brown
    California LP”

    I’d like to get a list of everyone who was at that Libertarian Party of California organizing meeting back in 1972 or 1973. Perhaps some further investigation could be done and the plant could be “outted” through a process of elimination. I don’t know how many people who would have been at that meeting are still active in the LP (if any), but it would still be good to know who the “rat” was.

    When is the last time anyone did a Freedom Of Information Act request on the Libertarian Party? I think that it is past time for a new one. I suspect that there are infiltrators in the Libertarian Party right now, and probably in other pro-liberty organizations as well. We may have a rat infestation that needs to be removed.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDTRyjMnDOk

  93. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    I wonder if Gene Berkman was around then. I’ll have to ask either Gene or Ted next time I see either one.

  94. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    Andy, there could have been another writer who checked in around then and simply was helping “clean house”, so to speak. I often check in and clear the spam folder if it’s too full. It’s hard to say what happened, it’s just something that I noticed.

  95. William Saturn

    @jill

    I did not delete the comments, but I did see them in the dashboard before they were deleted. I also believe that whoever posted the comments had access to the dashboard because the e-mail addresses listed for at least some of the individuals impersonated (that I know of) were the same e-mail addresses those individuals listed when they made comments here.

  96. Andy

    “Jill Pyeatt Post authorNovember 17, 2013 at 2:35 pm
    Andy, there could have been another writer who checked in around then and simply was helping ‘clean house’, so to speak. I often check in and clear the spam folder if it’s too full. It’s hard to say what happened, it’s just something that I noticed.”

    How about asking all of the IPR writers if any of them deleted the comments that were in the trash that are in question?

  97. Andy

    “William Saturn November 17, 2013 at 3:15 pm
    @jill

    I did not delete the comments, but I did see them in the dashboard before they were deleted. I also believe that whoever posted the comments had access to the dashboard because the e-mail addresses listed for at least some of the individuals impersonated (that I know of) were the same e-mail addresses those individuals listed when they made comments here.”

    Interesting. Again I ask, is this something that would have had to have been done by somebody who is signed up as an IPR writer, or could this have been the work of an outside hacker?

  98. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    Well, we really do have a mystery on our hands. There are quite a few people who have the ability to enter the dashboard who never contribute anymore, and it could any of those people. The problem is that, not only are the troll’s comments obnoxious and non-productive, but he uses other people’s names for some of the posts. I imagine that opens Warren to some legal issues. In the meantime, I’ll just keep deleting them when I see them. .

  99. Andy

    ” but he uses other people’s names for some of the posts>

    He assumes that the troll is male. It could be a female. I do think that it is most likely a male though. It could also be multiple people, but I’d say that the most likely suspect is a male, probably a member of the LP, and it is probably somebody that we know. I think that it is quite possible that it is somebody that Paul and/or I have met or at least seen in person at LP functions. It could eve be a person who has acted friendly to our faces.

  100. Antirevolutionary

    I have to say Roger Stone did great on Coast to Coast AM last night. You should all listen to it on YouTube when it gets posted likely soon.

  101. William Saturn

    @AR

    Perhaps it would be something interesting to post here. Did he make any mention of the LP?

  102. Antirevolutionary

    William, I don’t believe he mentioned the LP. The show was entirely about his JFK assassination research; of course the assassination was before the LP. He did repeatedly mention someone named Ed Clark, one of LBJ’s aids, but I’m pretty sure this is a different person than Libertarian Ed Clark. He did tell a few personal stories about his relationships with Nixon. He criticized Presidents of both parties; LBJ and GHW Bush, accusing them both of involvement in the assassination. I would say that a post on this would probably fit better on Saturn’s Repository.

  103. Jose C

    I would say that a post on this would probably fit better on Saturn’s Repository. Maybe not. If as many Americans including those in the third party movement believe his assassination was the result of a conspiracy we should get all the facts. Let us not hide from the truth.

    There is a documentary (docudrama) titled Virtual JFK that explains why JFK would not have let us to war in Vietnam. Point by point they discuss six times JFK could have let us to war but did not. The Soviet Union building the Berlin Wall, The Bay of Pigs fiasco, The Cuban Missile Crisis, The Communist invasion of Vietnam, The Communist invasion of Laos, and The Berlin Airlift are incidents where there were drumbeats for war yet JFK resisted the calls for war. JFK resisted those calls for war even though those six times advisors urged Kennedy to act militarily. Even with that advice JFK refused to lead us into war. The docudrama makes it clear JFK was not going to involve us in Vietnam and in fact was going to withdraw all Americans from Vietnam. As soon as he died President Johnson reversed course and let us into war. And of course the rest is history. Vietnam and the profits of war meant JFK had to die.

  104. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    I don’t know anyone who believes the one bullet story. I think we all know it’s nonsense.
    Why those same believe every word of the 9/11 fairy tale is a mystery to me.

  105. Andy

    “Jill Pyeatt Post authorNovember 17, 2013 at 9:14 pm
    I don’t know anyone who believes the one bullet story. I think we all know it’s nonsense.
    Why those same believe every word of the 9/11 fairy tale is a mystery to me.”

    There are millions of people who do not believe the official government story about 9/11. Maybe not as many people as who question the JFK assassination story, but still a lot.

    I think that the passage of time has a lot to do with it. The JFK assassination happened 50 years ago. That means that people have had a lot longer to look into it and reflect upon it. 9/11 happened 12 years ago. I was one of the “early adopters” of the 9/11 Truth Movement, as I started questioning the official government story shortly after the event happened. I remember the 9/11 Truth Movement was very small back then, but it has grown tremendously since those days. I bet that the 9/11 Truth Movement will continue to grow as more time passes.

  106. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    Well, but I don’t really know Brian. I mean, no one that I interact with often believes the single-bullet theory.

  107. Andy

    “paulie November 17, 2013 at 11:10 pm

    ‘I don’t know anyone who believes the one bullet story.’

    Some people do. Brian Holtz, for example.”

    LOL! Figures.

  108. Dave Terry

    JP> “I don’t know anyone who believes the one bullet story. I think we all know it’s nonsense.

    No one is more skeptical of government reports than I, but claiming that you KNOW it’s nonsense is little over the top. If you KNOW it, then you can prove it. Most of us simply see no reason to make an issue of it, since it doesn’t make whole lot of difference in the overall, day to day scheme of things. It’s OLD NEWS and the overwhelming majority of “NORMAL” people haven’t given it much thought in 20-30 years

    Anyone privy to information that proves that someone else did it or was an accessory, is duty bound to make that information public. Is there documented proof that of these facts?

  109. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    That’s a cool Fun Fact about Brian, Paulie.

    Okay, Dave, you’re right: Most people I know, including me, have serious doubts about the Lone Bullet theory.

  110. Jim Duensing

    @ Jose – another good documentary about the coup in Dallas is called ‘Dark Legacy’ You can find it on netflix or online for free with a google search. or here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYmombA4WwE

    It basically makes the case that the secret government did it and that the point man on the operation was George Herbert Walker Bush. It’s fairly relevant today given that the criminal conspirators still hold power and that their progeny is responsible for the OKC bombing, 9/11, fraudulent wars of empire and occupation, Benghazi, Sandy Hook, the Boston Bombing, and the Aurora Batman shooting amongst other things.

    @ Dave Terry – if you know the official theory is non-sensical, and the magic bullet theory is nothing if not non-sensical – and the powers that investigated the murder of the President went to great leaps of logic and ignored significant evidence to produce a report which argued the impossible, those people are either very stupid (which I don’t believe) or very evil (which I do believe). Those are the only two options. No one could have caused all of the President’s and Connally’s wounds from the Book Depository. The Warren Commission was as controlled by the guilty parties as the 9/11 Commission was. If you can’t defend the magic bullet theory, there was either a large conspiracy of people empowered by our system who took advantage of that trust for their own ends – or those Supreme Court Justices, prosecutors, senators, and future presidents were all just grossly incompetent when tasked with solving one of the most important murders in American history. To say you can’t know what happened because lots of people have different ideas, is the height of foolishness. Reality is real – even if most people believe in the mirage of official lies.

  111. Dave Terry

    First of all, I don’t KNOW that the official theory is any more “nonsensical” the Machiavellian conspiracy theories promoted by revisionists. I DO KNOW that the single most important element of this controversy has been completely ignored by all parties……….WHY?

    Why was it necessary or prudent to assassinate JFK? Wasn’t he a party to all the machinations of the so-called hidden or secret government conspirators? Was LBJ a party to the framing of Lee Harvey Oswald, just as Peter and Paul were co-conspirators in framing Judas Iscariot for the betrayal of Jesus bar Joseph bin Nazareth.

    Am I the only one to see the ominous parallels to the veneration of JFK and the OTHER Messiah?

  112. William Saturn

    I will be conducting an interview with Robert Bucholz, the Modern Whig Party’s first elected official. Any suggestions on questions to ask?

  113. paulie

    LP Monday Message: Rise of Libertarians? Overby
    Posted on Nov 18, 2013 at LP.org

    Dear Friend of Liberty,

    Lucas Overby
    Lucas Overby,
    LP Florida
    Candidate for U.S. Congress

    I’m encouraged by the enthusiasm I’m seeing around the country.

    John Stossel recently did a show titled “The Rise of Libertarians.” Here’s a link to part of it on YouTube and at Fox Business News. It’s not 100 percent positive about the Libertarian Party, but don’t let that bother you. Those guests have written very positive things about Libertarian Party candidates recently.

    Speaking of candidates, a potential congressional candidate in Florida, Lucas Overby, got knocked down, then got up again. Apparently, he’s not going to be kept down. The only question at this point is, will he be a Libertarian Party candidate?

    The chair of the Florida Libertarians, Dana Moxley-Cummings, tells me that Overby had been planning to run in the November 2014 general election for U.S. Congress with the full support of the Libertarian Party of Florida. Then, suddenly, the incumbent congressman died, resulting in a special election for the seat this coming March 11. With very short notice, Overby collected 1,589 signatures to get on the ballot, but fell a heartbreakingly 19 signatures short!

    #$!%

    They still have the option of paying a $10,440 filing fee tomorrow. Overby’s campaign called me Friday at 6:45 p.m. begging for my help. I hate being the bearer of bad news and having to tell enthusiastic candidates that it’s unlikely you’ll raise $10,440 over a weekend. LP national headquarters gets requests for help, money, and more, several times daily and we just don’t have the resources to help everybody in the world. Besides, I report to a chairman and board, so all those spending and support decisions aren’t mine to make on the spot anyway.

    As of a few minutes ago, Overby had already raised $7,580, which is $2,860 short, but enough to file if he runs without a party affiliation. So Overby will be running for Congress in the special election. The only question is: Will he be on the ballot as a Libertarian?

    He wants to be on the ballot as a Libertarian Party candidate. If Overby reaches $10,440 today, he will be able to file as a Libertarian. I told Overby to call his doctor and his dentist to ask them each for $1,000. (Big help I am, eh?)

    Sometimes in special elections we get a lot of publicity. This could be one of those races.

    Do you want to see Overby be part of the rise of the Libertarians?

    You can see his progress here.

    And now my phone and email are about to get filled by more requests for help. Please respond to my fundraising pleas later this week so that our party will be in a better position to help more candidates and state parties with ballot access.

    Yours in liberty,

    Wes Benedict
    Executive Director
    Libertarian National Committee

  114. Jed Ziggler (@JedZiggler)

    “I don’t know anyone who believes the one bullet story”

    The single bullet theory is actually correct. Connally wasn’t right in front of JFK, he was slightly more inward & further down (the car had jump seats). The trajectory of the single bullet theory adds up perfectly. Oswald did fire the first two shots, but the final shot, the head shot? No way. There’s a theory that says that shot was accidentally fired by Secret Service agent George Hickey, and that the Service instituted a coverup to avoid embarrassment. This seems the most logical conclusion.

    As far as 9/11, I have questions about building 7, but that’s it. The official story seems pretty sound to me.

  115. Jed Ziggler (@JedZiggler)

    “I will be conducting an interview with Robert Bucholz, the Modern Whig Party’s first elected official. Any suggestions on questions to ask?”

    I might ask how he found the MWP, and what was attractive about them to him. Also possibly what he did in his campaign that other local third party & independent candidates could learn from.

  116. Andy

    “paulie November 18, 2013 at 12:31 am
    Brian has said that prior to the LP, debunking JFK conspiracy theories was his #1 hobby on the internet.”

    This is part of what I’d call a strange pattern of behavior for somebody who claims to be a Libertarian. It makes me wonder if he’s a disinfo agent.

  117. Dave Terry

    Andy, WHAT in heaven’s name does this hobby, as unusual as it might be, have to do with being a Libertarian. One might as logically say that being a Vegan is strange behavior for somebody claiming to be Libertarian.

    If a “theory” CAN be debunked, isn’t that a desirable activity?

  118. Andy

    “Dave Terry November 18, 2013 at 9:56 pm
    Andy, WHAT in heaven’s name does this hobby, as unusual as it might be, have to do with being a Libertarian.”

    One trait of a Libertarian is one who questions official government stories. I’m skeptical of those who are critical of those among us who question official government stories, particularly official government stories with obvious gaping holes in them, such as the official government stories about the JFK assassination and 9/11.

  119. Dave Terry

    WHAT “obvious gaping holes”?

    BTW; would ONE of you conspiracy fan PLEASE tell me WHY JFK was assassinated?

  120. Bondurant

    JFK wanted to withdraw from Vietnam. The CIA did not. LBJ was their guy. He’d swear up and down that American boys would not die in a fight Asian boys ought to fight for themselves. He railed against Barry Goldwater claiming he would lead us to war in Vietnam despite having plans in place to start bombing Vietnam shortly after the election.

    There’s also Bay of Pigs and his refusal to goad the Soviets into war. Hell, the people around JFK wanted to implement Operation Northwoods.

    No president has strayed from the plan since.

  121. Andy

    This was posted by long time Libertarian Party member Ted Brown in the Libertarian Radical Caucus group. It was posted in response to my having posted some comments about government infiltration of political parties and movements, and then questioning if there are any government plants in the Libertarian Party.

    “That’s true about infiltration — right from the beginning. Ed Clark, the LP’s 1980 presidential candidate and now a senior party statesman, told us that he made an FOIA request for himself. The result showed that there was a government plant at the organizing meeting of the LP of California in Ed’s living room in 1972 or 1973. The name was redacted, of course. Ed told this story over 20 years ago. He said that he knew everyone at that meeting and kept contact with all of them for years afterwards. So that means a long-time pioneer LP activist was working for the FBI or some other agency.

    Of course there have been other activists over the years whom people suspected of being plants, just because of how toxic they were to the organization. I think that these people were too strange to work for the government. It’s the ones you don’t suspect who can be the most dangerous.

    Ted Brown
    California LP”

    I’d like to get a list of everyone who was at that Libertarian Party of California organizing meeting back in 1972 or 1973. Perhaps some further investigation could be done and the plant could be “outted” through a process of elimination. I don’t know how many people who would have been at that meeting are still active in the LP (if any), but it would still be good to know who the “rat” was.

    When is the last time anyone did a Freedom Of Information Act request on the Libertarian Party? I think that it is past time for a new one. I suspect that there are infiltrators in the Libertarian Party right now, and probably in other pro-liberty organizations as well. We may have a rat infestation that needs to be removed.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDTRyjMnDOk

  122. Jed Ziggler (@JedZiggler)

    Big fan of Kane, both as a wrestler and as a libertarian. I hope he does run for Senate in 2014 as some have speculated. If anything I want to see him make fire shoot out of the podium during the debate.

  123. Bondurant

    Back in ’98 I went to a WWF taping (RAW and two episodes of Sunday Night Heat at one taping). Kane’s entrance was amazing. It never dawned on me the heatwave that pyrotechnics can cause. I would love to see the eyebrows of his opponents singed off. Is there speculation as to whether he would run as a Libertarian or Ron Paul Republican?

  124. Dave Terry

    >”JFK wanted to withdraw from Vietnam. The CIA did not.

    NON-SENSE! It was JFK who accelerated the American presence in Vietnam from the token military presence of the Eisenhower era. The U.S. government viewed American involvement
    in the war as a way to prevent a communist takeover of South Vietnam. This was part of their wider strategy of containment, which aimed to stop the spread of communism.

    > There’s also Bay of Pigs and his refusal to goad the Soviets into war.

    The Bay of Pigs had nothing to do with goading the Soviets into war and EVERYTHING to do with the attempted counter coup/devolution in Cuba. Kennedy was ambivalent: because a successful invasion would topple Castro’s anti-American government, a failed mission could be disastrous for Kennedy’s image, both at home and abroad.

    The Bay of Pigs disaster was an embarrassment for the new president, and arguably, the lowest point in Jack’s political career. Jackie noted that on 19 April, Jack was “upset all day and had practically been in tears”—never before had she seen him so depressed.
    (Robert Dallek; An Unfinished Life (New York: Back Bay Books, 2003)
    See ALSO: (Seymour Hersh, The Dark Side of Camelot, (Boston: Little, Brown and Company),

    Kennedy took a BIG public relations hit with that fiasco and believed a strong stand in Vietnam would recoup his standing among hardline anti-communists.

    I happen to KNOW this because I was one of those hundreds of American soldiers sent by JFK to Vietnam 2 years BEFORE the so-called Gulf of Tonkin Incident to prepare the infrastructure for the coming debaucle.

  125. Dave Terry

    PS: One other fact which I failed to mention was that the nuclear missiles in Turkey, on the very doorsteps of the Soviet Union, which provoked the Soviets to put missiles in Cuba as a counter measure were placed there on the orders of John F. Kennedy.

    So, again I ask, WHY was JFK assassinated?

  126. Jed Ziggler (@JedZiggler)

    I believe Kane is a Libertarian, but there’s been speculation both ways.

    In Green Party news, here’s the transcript of the Moyers & Company interview with Jill Stein & Margaret Flowers from this Sunday, in case you missed it. http://billmoyers.com/segment/fighting-the-good-fight/ Thanks to the Coffee Party (@coffeepartyusa) for the link!

    Ursula Rozum wrote this piece: “From a Green perspective, another disappointing election” http://www.greenpapers.net/?p=748

    Also this interesting article: “The Wave Begins? Left Third Parties in 2013” by John Halle http://www.greenpapers.net/?p=733

    Both of those links were tweeted by the Green Party (@GPUS)

  127. paulie

    That’s why I liked being able to do it myself better, which I could do from 2009 until a few months ago. I sent him another email and copied you.

  128. paulie

    http://www.lp.org/blogs/staff/ballot-fund-update-lucas-overby

    Dear Friend of Liberty,

    Last Friday I asked for your help in raising $45,000 in 45 days.

    We’re off to a slow start, but I’d like to thank the 46 donors who contributed a total of $2,821.

    Please contribute today. $100 would make a big difference, but you can donate as little as $5. Every bit helps.

    Separately, I’m pleased to announce that, with some help from us, Lucas Overby raised enough to pay the filing fee to run in the special election for U.S. Congress in Florida.

    Congratulations to Mr. Overby, and thanks for throwing your hat into the ring as a Libertarian!

    Now I’m asking you to help me again with our ballot access fund, so that we can help many more candidates run for office in 2014.

    Click here, and please donate today.

    Yours in liberty,

    Wes Benedict
    Executive Director
    Libertarian National Committee

  129. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    I just saw Lee’s article about immigration and made a mental note to post it, but I don’t know when I’ll get to it. I’d love to have Web Master come aboard!

  130. Dave Terry

    So Jill, how LONG does it take to post a piece that someone else has already written.

    Considerably longer than it took to tell us that you don’t have time to do it???????????

  131. Web Master

    I would love to have Brian Irving back on my staff but his plate is overflowing. I will ask him if he will post on Lee’s behalf since he posts here anyway. Thanks, Jill and Paulie!

    Thomas Hill

  132. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    Oh my gawd!! I just received Judge Gray’s article for tomorrow. It’s about that great patriot, Theodore Roosevelt. I can’t wait to get it posted.

  133. paulie

    Oh my gawd!! I just received Judge Gray’s article for tomorrow. It’s about that great patriot, Theodore Roosevelt. I can’t wait to get it posted.

    I think Milnes would be proud. Perhaps Judge Gray could team up with Kshama Sawant in 2016. I know Milnes believes the Progressive should be the male and the Libertarian should be the female on the ticket, but maybe it would work the other way around too. ROFL

  134. Jed Ziggler

    Like I said at BAN, I can’t use the 1787 Party website. It seems to not like people with slower internet connections. Not good if they want to reach out to rural voters. They need to simplify their website.

  135. Andy

    Just found a cool video where Andrew Napolitano exposes the Pledge of Allegiance as being socialist. This is why I stopped reciting the Pledge of Allegiance years ago. I usually walk out of the room if people are reciting the Pledge of Allegiance. I’ve long advocated that people stop reciting the Pledge of Allegiance and start reciting the Bill of Rights instead. The Pledge of Allegiance is nothing more than socialist propaganda. Andrew Napolitano for President in 2016!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bsm6NEhvlIU

  136. Andy

    “paulie November 23, 2013 at 10:49 pm
    Rex Curry is the long time voice in the wilderness on that one”

    Ron Paul has gotten it right on secession and the socialist Pledge of Allegiance for a long time as well. Ron Paul correctly points out that the part of the Pledge of Allegiance that says that this nation is indivisible actually flies in the face of what the Founding Fathers – who seceded from England – believed, and is anti-liberty.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOUdwyag1vI

  137. Andy

    “Dave Terry November 24, 2013 at 12:43 am
    WTF? Why is pig fucker (PF) posting 70% of all the comments?? Maybe shut up and let some other people get a word in edgewise?”

    This is a ridiculous statement. Paul posting comments does not prevent anyone else from posting comments. Also, if you don’t like the comments that he posts, you are free to scroll past them.

  138. Steve M

    unless you meant paulie in which case 65 out of 262 is less then 25%

    and i just in these 2 are still well under 1% 🙁

  139. paulie

    BTW, I must have gotten better at not reading comments from Dave Terry. This time I’m not even seeing a comment with his name on it, only other people quoting it.

  140. paulie

    David

    As far as I know only IPR writers can post images, and also as far as I know this has never been otherwise. It used to be that only IPR writers could post videos as well but that has finally been fixed, I think about a year ago. We could ask the Redlichs to fix this for images also. I don’t know if or when that will happen.

  141. paulie

    I could also ask Warren to sign you up as an IPR writer, which does not mean you have to post with any frequency – some of them have not posted in years. I used to be able to just sign you up myself, but as of a couple of months ago I no longer can do that.

  142. Dave Terry

    Andy November 24, 2013 at 12:53 am

    “Dave Terry November 24, 2013 at 12:43 am
    WTF? Why is pig fucker (PF) posting 70% of all the comments?? Maybe shut up and let some other people get a word in edgewise?”

    Andy, I NEVER wrote any such thing. I referred to him as a “fat ass” once, but the above quote is NOT ME!

  143. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    Dave, maybe that was the troll, and no one caught it. We try to delete him when we see it.
    What thread?

  144. Dave Terry

    My local newspaper, here in McMinnville, editorially came out
    in support of the League of Oregon Cities’ challenge to the state
    to allow individual cities to ban medical marijuana dispensaries
    in it’s jurisdiction.

    The following letter will be published in Fridays issue contesting
    that position;

    Editor;

    It would appear that the News-Register is one of the
    last bastions of Marijuana Paranoia. It was particularly
    ironic as well as sad to read your editorial on marijuana
    dispensaries on the back side of the same page that Jeb
    Bladine writes so eloquently on the moral “advantage” of
    supporting local merchants who support the local ‘needy’.

    I can think of no needier group of people than those who
    suffer from the painful effects of cancer, multiple sclerosis,
    AIDS, glaucoma, epilepsy and other diseases. Why throw
    roadblocks in their way and force them to travel to other
    cities to obtain their very much needed and perfectly legal
    medication.

    To paraphrase Mr. Bladine’s well chosen words; “Don’t forget
    that Christmas is supposed to be a time of joy and goodwill;
    don’t get caught up in the”…paranoia of drug legalization.

    “Remember that these local” “owned and
    operated by our friends, neighbors and fellow citizens are”
    very much deserving of your support this season and beyond.

    David Terry
    1636 NW 8th St.
    McMinnville, OR 97128
    (503) 474-3866

  145. paulie

    http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-6-216004-An-admiral,-an-IGP-arrested-in-Pakistan

    ….

    Apart from the Lockheed scam, the United States has also witnessed various defence procurement rip-offs like the 2005 Cunningham scandal, in which defence contractors Mitchel Wade and Brent Wilkes had paid bribes to members of Congress and officials in the US Defense Department, in return for political favours in the form of Pentagon contracts. The contractors were blamed for illegally winning $ 80 million contracts in a just a decade’s time.

    Most notable amongst the recipients of the bribes was the California Congressman Duke Cunningham, who had pled guilty to receiving over $ 2.3 million. Legislators Virgil Goode and Katherine Harris were also found guilty of pocketing $ 90,000 and $ 32,000 graft respectively.

  146. Thane Eichenauer

    http://www.opencongress.org/wiki/Virgil_Goode#Cunningham_and_MZM
    If this wiki article is to be relied upon then I would characterize that Congressman Virgil Goode’s press secretary Linwood Duncan admitted to receiving $88,000 of campaign contributions. Plenty of people might look at such contributions to be ethically sticky. Near graft, perhaps. The only person that admitted criminal guilt was Duke Cunningham, not Virgil Goode nor Katherine Harris. Footnote: Neither Goode nor Harris are found in the Wikipedia article “List of United States federal officials convicted of corruption offenses”.

  147. paulie

    From a conversation on facebook:

    Matt Hasty

    My wife, working for a large hospital system, has brought home pretty kick-ass health insurance for years. We can go to any doctor we want (as long as he’s associated [even loosely] with her hospital), there is a low deductible/co-pay, no referral needed to go to a specialist, and ALWAYS diagnostic procedures are free. One NO-COPAY visit per year to the doctor for a physical exam.

    I spent 12 days in the hospital a last year with a Pulmonary Embolism (clot in leg that went to my lungs) and the bill was over $45,000 and it cost us out-of-pocket $600 (and they did it as a payroll deduction over 10 paychecks)

    Now I’m on blood thinners, and because I’m rural and was not regular about doing the testing, they sent us a $2500 testing machine, which we had to pay $500, and the test strips cost $130 for a box of 12 (a year’s supply) are sent to us at no cost.

    The total cost of this insurance is about $200/month deducted from her paycheck.

    –THE BAD NEWS:
    We found out today that will change as of Jan 1st. Now there is only one program for insurance for all employees, and you only have the choice to opt in or opt out. And it’s WAY WORSE insurance.

    The rate about doubles ($400/month will come out of her paycheck) and there is a $75 co-pay and high deductible ($50 more per visit). We will be stuck to ‘in-network’ doctors.

    I hope my current doc is IN network! The lengths and agony I had to go thru to find my current doctor is a story that is too personal to share, but to me, that price was high. And if I lose him because he’s out-of-network I’ll be devastated.

    –THE *REALLY* BAD NEWS:
    If a republican told me that he’d fix it, and put things back to how they are NOW (in 2013) – I have to admit that I’d seriously consider voting for him. That scares the crap out of me, because I know there are millions of LP supporters who feel the same way.

    Mark Wilder Agreed. Considering that they should have their chance to fix it after the 2014 election, it won’t happen in 2016, either. The GOP will have one shot, if they can gain the Senate, while keeping the house.

    Matt Hasty But there’s still more: My wife is nearly done with her Master’s degree and will soon be a nurse practitioner. Laws in our state are being changed so that nurse practitioners can write non-narcotic prescriptions without M.D. oversight.

    So I won’t need the overpriced health insurance if my wife can just go against her ethical standards and prescribe me the blood thinners that keep me alive. (I’ve been tested positive for “Factor 5 Leiden” – a genetically propagated disease that increases chances for clots. My dad has it too, and probably his dad)

    But by law, I’ll still have to buy the insurance that I don’t even need.

    ObamaCare just screwed the hell out of me.

    Paulie Cannoli Matt – really sorry to hear all that. Obamacare is truly screwed up. Keep in mind that it was originally a Republian idea pushed by conservative think tanks and first translated into policy Romney, who pushed it as a model for all the other states.

    Paulie Cannoli Of course they are against it now…just like they railed against the New Deal for decades, all the way up until they got in a position to actually do something about it, when they were all of a sudden no longer concerned. Or the Great Society etc. Look at Medcare Part D. Over the last few decades spending has actually gone up FASTER when Republicans are in office than when Democrats are. True story.

    Paulie Cannoli In other words watch what they do, not what thy say. Republicans may very well PROMISE to scrap this massive Obamacare screw job but they will be lying. You can read their lips and their lips are full of it.

    Paulie Cannoli All the Republican elephants and all the Republican men won’t put pre-Obamacare insurance back together again. Sorry, but it’s gone. And not only that…here are some other huge ways the have screwed what used to be an even better health care system that that many years ago: http://www.ruwart.com/Healing/chap5.html

    Paulie Cannoli http://www.ruwart.com/Healing/chap6.html
    Protecting Ourselves…

    Paulie Cannoli See “Poison as Food, Poison as Medicine” here http://praxeology.net/aotp.htm
    Art of the Possible Essays

    Paulie Cannoli On a personal level..I hope you can keep your doctor. But Republicans will never fix this. And it should not be considered unethical for you wife to write you a prescription. You should not have to have a prescription to begin with, and she is competent to observe you and knows that the treatment works.

    Paulie Cannoli It is true that “you still have to buy” insurance under Obamacare even if you don’t need it but millions of us will flout the law and remain uninsured. They can fine me if they want. There’s not enough room in the jails for all the people who won’t pay. I ain’t doing it…forget about it. No way, no how!

    Matt Hasty Paulie, this is why I know it’s dangerous: The fact I want to vote for them ::because of a single issue:: is most logical they created the issue. AND THAT is why I’ll vote Libertarian – but as I listen to myself, I sound like a tinfoil hatter. So…. it’s why we’re here in this group.

    I know it was the republicans who did this because look how it benefits them now. How many people are saying: “I’m ready to vote for them if they promise what I want to hear.” …and how can we keep their vote?

    Paulie Cannoli Keep drilling every part of what I jut said into their heads over and over, 36 different ways. When I look at all the rising incidence of police brutality/militarization and think about how it all goes back to Nixon and Reagan’s drug war and Bush and Shrub’s wars I get tempted to vote for Democrats but the I remember how they have aided and abetted all of that too. There’s no easy answer…we just have to keep doing what we are doing and more of it..

    Paulie Cannoli The larger point you brig up is that as the duopoly takes away more of our rights the temptation to back one side or the other to fend the other on off becomes greater and greater. BUT it also makes it more and more important to do what we do and oppose both of them…because they are two hands controlled by the same evil brain and when you empower one you empower both!

  148. paulie

    The Republicans are still mad that the Democrats cheat better than they do.

    Dunno about that. Diebold seems to be lean pretty heavily Republican. As a neutral yet interested observer of Democrats and Republicans, it’s sort of fun to watch them play dirty and splash all kinds of mud on each other.

    And then there’s this:

  149. paulie

    No real angle for reposting this as an article here that I can see, but I think this is interesting, especially when combined with Obama having the lowest approval ratings in the history of his presidency, the largest ever percentage expressing dissatisfaction with both of the two establishment parties, the highest ever level of support for legalizing marijuana nationwide, and 60% saying government is overall too big:

    Economist/You Gov Poll on Attitude Toward Congress
    Published on November 30, 2013,http://www.ballot-access.org/2013/11/economistyou-gov-poll-on-attitude-toward-congress/

    On November 27, an Economist/YouGov Poll released, revealing what respondents think about Congress. Only 6% approve. That includes 10% of the Democrats, 7% of the Republicans, and 3% of the independents. That is the lowest approval rating for Congress since the poll has been conducted. Here is the link. Thanks to PoliticalWire for the link. http://today.yougov.com/news/2013/11/27/partisanship-and-filibuster-congressional-approval/

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