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Oops. I meant, I have no sympathy …
I have sympathy with the would be freikorps and their beer hall putsch.
If they were seeking to return the treaty designated lands to the Northern Paiutes I’d be all for that.
Andy Craig: “they fully deserve the felony murder charge they now have coming their way.”
And what felony is alleged that could trigger a felony murder charge here?
I originally took the side of the Oathkeepers and most of the three-percenter crowd that the occupation was the wrong way to go about the Hammond matter and the possibility that some of the occupiers were government agents making the cause look bad.
Yet now that someone has died, and possibly in cold, innocent blood… This is only going to fuel the fire now.
We are experiencing too much way too much government oppression in our life time. LaVoy was someone whon I had personal contact with as a few of the Bundy-s. These are law abiding, constituon loving individuals.LaVoy was silenced by the government because he had a voice of reason on a country whete politicians seek wealth builft on oppression of others.
Donna asked: “what about the land being used in the US for radical Islamist training camps?”
Has anyone verified these really exist?
The Hammond Ranch has uranium on it and who knows what else!!!!
The Feds wanted it so as usual if your in my way I will remove you!
At least some patriots stepped up to do something, do I agree with taking over the Wildlife refuge No but
The government has no problem labeling and treating these guys like Terrorists but what about the land being used in the US for radical Islamist training camps they aren’t even legal in the US so whos land is it?
The POS in the Whitehouse won’t label them or kill them but an innocent man gets shot down in cold blood because a crooked Governor of Oregon put the word out to shoot She has blood on her hands as well as Obama and the sleeze in the FBI that shot Lavoy!
Rest in peace dear Patriot!
“If NO, then maybe we can all draw the conclusion that something nefarious on the part of government armed men did go down.”
We don’t know that the answer is no, but even if so that doesn’t automatically lead to that conclusion. Body-cams and the like are still new, and have mostly been for local police. So far as I know no federal agency has adopted them. That alone doesn’t prove anything.
“My local paper’s editorial says Finicum charged the cops with guns drawn.”
When somebody brags about how they won’t be taken alive, it’s not that surprising when they aren’t. If this is what happened, he went out exactly like he said he said he was planning to: suicide by cop.
My local paper’s editorial says Finicum charged the cops with guns drawn. They go on to deplore the conspiracy theories that will be spun out of this tragedy. With all the “incidents” of alleged and actual excessive use of force by the cops in the last few years, surely the FBI or Oregon State Police had cameras rolling during this confrontation? If NO, then maybe we can all draw the conclusion that something nefarious on the part of government armed men did go down.
I sympathize— a lot— with the point that the federal government needs to divest itself of the absurd amount of land they own in the West, that undermines local self-governance and treats a big chunk of the country like second-class states, who can’t govern their local land use without being told what to do by politicians and voters who’ve never been west of Kansas City. I also am extremely sympathetic to how unjust the mandatory minimums were in this “arson” case (though neither are the Hammonds as purely innocent as some have made them out to be.)
However, I do not sympathize with Bundy et al and their actions, at all, and I do not regard them as in the least bit heroic or admirable. That this would end in bloodshed was sadly, entirely, predictable, and they fully deserve the felony murder charge they now have coming their way. What did this accomplish? At the end of the day, to the degree they brought attention to the issue at all instead of just themselves, they made it that much more difficult for politicians on the fence to support some kind of legislative reform. After all, what incumbent wants to gift their opponent the attack ad of “siding with the Bundy terrorists” now? They might have had some support, but they were viewed negatively by most Americans on Day 1, and that certainly isn’t going to improve now.
I’m sure we’ll found out more in time about what, if anything, the FBI did wrong here. Maybe it was, in the moment, a justified self-defense shot, and maybe it wasn’t. We might never know for sure. Whether it was or not, that they weren’t able to end this without bloodshed is a failure on their part, no doubt about that. But even still, if the FBI just shot him in cold blood like will inevitably be claimed, that makes this tragedy all the more predictable and avoidable. This wasn’t heroism, it was suicide by cop.
I’ve read several people on Facebook insisting that the occupiers are “welfare whores” (as if there’s something wrong with being a whore, but that’s another topic). If someone is of the belief that the federal government rightfully owned the land, and the ranchers have been using it without the proper permission, I get that, although I truly can’t decide what’s right here. I have wondered many times, though, how the occupiers could just hang out there for weeks. Don’t they have families to take care of, and bills to pay?
I wondered about Mr. Finicum, and how he could afford to be there, probably without all those 11 kids. It is a shame, though, that someone had to die. Is anyone surprised? I’m certainly not.
I am inclined to sympathize with the ranchers. In some articles I’ve read local ranchers don’t care for the circus but support the cause as BLM encroaches on their rights. It’s also ironic that two men were sentenced to lengthy terms in prison for accidentally setting government owned land ablaze. When the feds attempting a controlled burn accidentally burn private land do agents go to jail?
Also, consider Oglala, Waco and Ruby Ridge. The Feds instigate, kill and cover-up. I hope this isn’t the case here but I wouldn’t be shocked one bit.
Supporters of big government (especially the progressives) are loving this.
I admit that I’ve had trouble knowing whether the occupiers in Oregon have been the good guys and, at the very least, I think they made unwise choices about how to get their point across. However, it’s a shame when anyone dies, especially when it’s possible he wasn’t posing a threat to the shooters. Plus, now 11 children don’t have a daddy.