Press release: In wake of Orlando shooting, Libertarian Party calls for end to ‘gun-free’ zones

For Immediate Release

Monday, June 13, 2016

In wake of Orlando shooting, Libertarian Party calls for end to ‘gun-free’ zones

rainbow rally pic for orland press release low-resNicholas Sarwark, Chair of the Libertarian National Committee, issued the following statement today:

Despite the horrific loss of life and the dozens more injured by a spiteful, deranged shooter in Orlando yesterday, the forces of hate are losing the battle against the vast majority of peaceful individuals who want social tolerance. But Americans remain at risk of more mass shootings.

Hundreds of individuals from all backgrounds lined up in the Florida heat for hours to give blood to the victims of this tragedy. Millions of Americans nationwide share the grief of this moment and express their sympathy in vigils and social media.  The outpouring of love and support from caring people is what truly makes America great.

Government can neither protect us from people who hate, nor can it provide the love and support of people who, by nature, care for their fellow man. But government can greatly reduce the likelihood of mass shootings by getting out of the way of people who want to defend themselves and others.

Without missing a beat, old party politicians recycled their calls for more failed and deadly policies.

Presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump demonizes Muslims, failing to distinguish hateful and mentally ill individuals from the millions of peaceful Muslims who strongly condemn acts of violence.

Democrat Barack Obama calls for more deadly restrictions and prohibitions on the rights of peaceful, responsible gun owners to stop shooters and minimize their impact.

The Libertarian Party is the only political party calling for sensible, serious policy change that would reduce the frequency of mass shootings as well as minimize thedamage they do.

Virtually all mass shootings happen in “gun-free” zones.  Regardless of the ideology of the shooter or the type of weapons used, the common link is that the event occurs where responsible gun owners are prohibited from carrying arms for self-defense. 

  • The Pulse nightclub was a “gun-free” zone. 
  • The Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino, California was a “gun-free” zone.
  • The Bataclan nightclub in Paris was a “gun-free” zone
  • The schools in Newtown, Connecticut and Columbine, Colorado were “gun-free” zones. 
  • Fort Hood was a “gun-free” zone.

In each of these mass killings, the government prohibited people from exercising their life-saving right to self-defense.

Government-mandated “gun-free” zones disarm those who want to defend themselves and their loved ones.

“Gun-free” zones create killing fields for mass murderers who, by definition, do not care what the law says.

Self-defense is a fundamental human right.  Every person has a right to defend herself and her loved ones against someone who would do them harm.  When government takes away the right of self-defense, it is violating a fundamental human right and endangering its citizens.

The choice of whether and how to defend oneself is a profoundly personal one.  The government should not mandate that every American carry a weapon for personal self-defense, nor should it mandate that every American must rely on police for protection. 

The beauty of the right to self-defense is that it keeps the criminals guessing as to who has a gun and who does not. This deters mass shooters from even trying.

The Libertarian Party supports freedom of choice and calls for the government to stop denying our human rights.

Our thoughts, prayers, and love go out to the friends and families of those slain or harmed in Orlando.  We owe it to them, and to all citizens, to do what we can to stop tragedies like this in the future

How many more mass shootings will occur before we demand that our government stop violating our fundamental human right to self-defense?

No more government-mandated “gun-free” zones.  No more government-created killing fields where madmen can slay innocent people. 

No more!

Source: LP.org

115 thoughts on “Press release: In wake of Orlando shooting, Libertarian Party calls for end to ‘gun-free’ zones

  1. Jill Pyeatt

    My son drove to Orlando in January to attend a 4-month “Disney College”. He didn’t love it, so he drove back to CA when the program ended May 19th. Two of the people killed were friends of his from working at Disney.

    I’m quite shaken up at how close we came to tragedy. He said he knew where the nightclub was.

    Anyway, one of the things I like most about Nick Sarwark is that he issues timely releases on current events. I think this is one reason people in the c country are becoming more familiar to our party.

  2. T Rex

    I became emotional and cried for about 45 minutes yesterday when I heard of this incident, especially when I heard of large numbers of people lined up to donate blood. I can’t believe the FBI (Federal Bureau of Idiots) interviewed this sick bastard twice and decided he was a good guy…this is the most incompetent and laughably stupid government ever.

  3. Jill Pyeatt

    I’m disturbed to hear that cops showed up, and chose not to go in for three hours, undoubtedly allowing many victims to bleed-out.

    There are many disturbing details coming out. I wish the media would SHUT UP until a genuine investigation has been done. It’s clear much disinformation was put out, and it’s probably still happening.

  4. robert capozzi

    ns: The beauty of the right to self-defense is that it keeps the criminals guessing as to who has a gun and who does not. This deters mass shooters from even trying.

    me: I wonder how true this is. This source (http://www.globalresearch.ca/mass-shootings-in-america-a-historical-review/5355990) says that virtually all mass shooters had mental health issues. It also shows that mass shootings are a rather new thing, spiking in the 80s and 90s.

    They are also pretty rare. Horrible, but rare.

    If most of the shooters are severely mentally ill, I’m not sure whether the lack of gun-free zones would make any difference at all. These might be “heroic” suicides, where the shooter takes out a bunch of people in a blaze of (in his mind) “glory.”

    Countering simplistic bromides (ban assault rifles, ban Muslims, etc.) with another simplistic bromide (end gun-free zones) might feel good, but I’m not convinced it’s the optimal approach. It might be a means to lessen the body count, but that’s about it.

  5. Starchild

    Kudos to our chair Nick Sarwark on another excellent press release. A powerful response to those whose reaction to a tragedy like this is to demonize Muslims or try to disarm people and leave them easy targets for killers.

  6. Matt Cholko

    The general quality, and timeliness of our press releases have improved dramatically since Nick became the Chairman. However, I don’t think he’s the one writing them. Is it Carla Howell? I remember he said recently who does most of it, I just can’t remember who he mentioned.

  7. Tony From Long Island

    Yeah! If you are planning an enjoyable night out, always remember to pack your military-grade assault weapons!

  8. Bondurant

    The press release is good but there’s a heavy dose of irony considering a staunch opponent of the second amendment is on our ticket.

  9. Tony From Long Island

    Yup, the smartest thing the LP has done in years. Just as the first amendment is not absolute, neither is the second.

  10. Jon

    This is why the Loonatarians remain a fringe party garnering a handful of votes each presidential election. Does any sane person think that carrying a handgun would have been beneficial in that club? If nothing else the crossfire would have resulted in more deaths. Hand guns are not going to be effective against a shooter with an automatic weapon. But perhaps I’m missing the point. Perhaps what Sarwark is advocating is for every club member to carry their own assault rifle when they go clubbing. That way the odds would be leveled. Right?

  11. Tony From Long Island

    If the LP thinks that they will convince a majority of Americans that the 2nd Amendment is completely absolute and everyone should have access to any weapon they want and openly carry it wherever they please, they are very sadly mistaken. Thankfully, the Constitution allows for the “regulation” of arms. The 2nd Amendment is not absolute and when the LP gets the guts to admit that, they could be very successful. The rest of their platform and philosophy is appealing.

  12. Bondurant

    In the Constitution the militia’s were to be “regulated” as in equipped & drilled. People were granted the rights to own fire arms because they were to make up the militia. There’s no reference to the “regulation” in the context you wish it to mean.

  13. Tony From Long Island

    Although I disagree with your reading of the second amendment, there is also no ABSOLUTE right to free speech implicit in the first amendment either, but rational minds have decreed that we can not scream “fire” in a crowded room. The same rational analysis applies to each amendment, including the second.

    As of today I am still voting for Johnson unless he starts spouting the extreme nonsense espoused normally by Libertarians on this subject.

  14. robert capozzi

    I think the premise is that IF there were no gun-free zones, mass murderers would not EVEN TRY to do what happened in Orlando and other mass-murder kill zones.

    If they followed through and targeted a club where the patrons were packing, perhaps some of them MIGHT subdue the shooter. To me, this is just wild speculation, unless there were some kind of reasonable basis for such a claim.

    What seems more accurate is that many of these mass murderers are failures of pharmaceutical treatments, IIRC, and coupled with access to higher-powered weapons, this witch’s brew is beginning to boil over.

    I worry that one day a mass murderer will use a bazooka. Narrow ideologues might claim that these too are protected by 2A. This view, I submit, hurts the cause of liberty, by undermining common sense in favor of a rigid tautology.

    Sad….

  15. Tony from Long Island

    See? A rational view of the Second Amendment. I am far from the only person who deeply believes in liberty but also wants to restrict the availability of unnecessarily powerful weapons.

  16. T Rex

    As far as this release goes..

    This isn’t a good release from the LP and contains factual inaccuracies. It is incorrect that Columbine high school was a “gun free zone.” There were, in fact, armed security guards at the school at the time the massacre happened. In addition, it is perfectly normal for bars, nightclubs, and other places serving alcohol to not want guns in their establishment.

    In a libertarian society, many (perhaps most) property owners, landlords, housing covenants etc would restrict certain types of weapons. Military artillery, such as mini-guns, bazookas, grenades, nuclear bombs etc cannot possibly be used in a NAP-friendly way IMO.

  17. T Rex

    Jon,

    “Perhaps what Sarwark is advocating is for every club member to carry their own assault rifle when they go clubbing. That way the odds would be leveled. Right?”

    Regardless of what the property owner says, people have a right to bring fully automatic weapons into a dark club that serves alcohol. The Libertarian Party will *force* them to change if they decide their bar is a gun free zone. That is the de facto message of this crappy press release.

  18. robert capozzi

    tfli: …wants to restrict the availability of unnecessarily powerful weapons.

    me: Not quite. I do think that I’d like to hear an adult conversation about what “arms” are covered by 2A, and where they can be carried when off one’s property and on the public’s property.

    My lean is to say that certain weapons are not protected and can be banned. My lean is also to say that states and localities can have restrictions on what can be carried, and that a sparsely populated place like AK may have more liberal rules and a densely populated place like RI might have stricter rules for carrying in public. I believe everyone in the US should have the right to own guns on his or her own property.

    This is a property rights issue, IMO.

    Unfortunately, adult conversations are not possible in the Public Square or in the LM on this subject to date.

  19. Tony From Long Island

    Robert you are right that this is a very passionate topic. I also tend to agree with much of your opinion, though I would probably be a bit more liberal.

    I was not passionate about this topic until I was incarcerated and really saw a side of society and a mentality that is unknown to most regular citizens. Even prior to that when I was learning about the LP, I always had a problem with their interpretation of the 2nd Amendment.

    It also might have something to do with my very passive non-violent nature. I never understood the passion and desire to own super-powerful weapons. I do understand when someone wants to own a handgun for protection, though I would never. I also have no problem with hunting. Who needs an AR-15 for hunting?

    Just getting a “gun person” to admit that there should be SOME SORT of restriction is almost impossible

  20. robert capozzi

    TfLI, “passionate” is not the word I would use. You’ll notice that while ideologue Ls claim that their thought system is based on logic, the claims about gun-free zones shows a lack of logical rigor. Most mass-shootings are in so-called gun-free zones, but there is no response regarding whether there would be no mass shootings were it not for the existence of these zones. In other areas, Ls are quick to (correctly) note that correlation does not necessarily mean causation.

    I sense that a certain gun fervor blocks the ability of so many Ls to engage the issue. Rather, they seem to believe that their position is self-evident, and they cherry-pick a few facts make their case.

    It’s an easily-seen-through deflection for me.

  21. steve m

    “Regardless of what the property owner says, people have a right to bring fully automatic weapons into a dark club that serves alcohol. The Libertarian Party will *force* them to change if they decide their bar is a gun free zone. That is the de facto message of this crappy press release.”

    I don’t read that in the press release. I just read that the government shouldn’t mandate gun free zones. Where does it call for telling property owners that they have to let people into their establishments with guns?

  22. robert capozzi

    I meant:

    In other areas, Ls are quick to (correctly) note that correlation does not necessarily mean causation EXCEPT when concept does not fit into their preconceived notions.

  23. Bondurant

    The problem “gun people” have with the issue is that “common sense” gun control is likely just a foot in the door to more strict laws and/or eventual ban of all firearms. Most of these “common sense” measures would have had no effect on tragic events that are exploited by those calling for gun control. So, these folks are not being genuine as to their aims.

    Most of these folks are ignorant about guns to boot. I’ve actually had a discussion with a guy who thought a Glock could spin around a fire if dropped on the ground as depicted in movies. Of course he was a strict anti-gunner and favored an all out gun ban. Despite being a dumb bastard at least he was one of the few honest anti-gunner.

    Bans do nothing than make otherwise law adiding folks criminals. Bans have done nothing to stop gun violence in Chicago, Philadelphia, Mexico or to prevent terrorists in Belgium and France from getting weapon.

    I say this as someone that does not own a gun.

  24. Andy

    I have to wonder if this is yet another false flag / staged event / hoax, like the Aurora Batman shooting, Sandy Hook, the Charleston Church shooting, the Las Vegas Joker shooting, the Virginia TV news station shooting, the Waco biker shooting, the Isle Vista shooting, the San Bernardino shooting, etc….

    It has already come out that one of the alleged witnesses is an actor. Funny how so many actors seem to pop up as shooting witnesses, supposed family members of supposed victims. What are the odds of so many actors popping up at these events?

    Has any footage of the dead bodies been released? One would think that in this day of cell phone cameras that somebody would have taken video or at least pictures of this.

    Remember how at Sandy Hook there was no footage of the supposed bodies, and there was not even any footage of bodies being taken out of the school, and not emergency helicopters were called to the scene, and they never released footage of the inside of the school, and they tore the building down without allowing a proper investigation of the crime scene (much like how WTC wreckage was carted away before a proper investigation could be done).

    The FBI already knew who this alleged shooter was. I would not be surprised if they put him up to it, or otherwise facilitated him (much like the FBI cooked the bomb and gave it to the alleged terrorists in the 1993 WTC bombing), assuming that there were any real victims, and it also would not surprise me if the entire thing was not a hoax (like Sandy Hook, and the Charleston Church shooting, and the Isle Vista shooting).

    This fits right in with the gun control and national security state agenda.

    If there were any real victims, I think that it is a shame, but given the government’s record of lying, and given some of the information that is already available, I am skeptical that we are being told the real story.

  25. Tony From Long Island

    Are you frickin serious? Staged event??? Are you frickin serious????????????????????????????

    What is wrong with you? ” Supposed bodies?” You want to see bodies of dead children to prove it was real?? You are seriously F’d up, man! the media does have a filter. No one wants to see dead bodies…except maybe you!
    ———————————————
    As for my friend Bondurant : when you said “The problem “gun people” have with the issue is that “common sense” gun control is likely just a foot in the door to more strict laws and/or eventual ban of all firearms. . . .” You showed your paranoid side. The Second Amendment is part of the constitution. No rational politician has advocated abolishing the Second Amendment. Even I, who is very strongly for “gun regulation” has no problem with the amendment’s existence, only it’s interpretation.
    ——————————————–
    Again…. Andy…..you are seriously twisted…………

  26. Andy

    No Tony From Long Island, I am a person who has spent a lot of time researching incidents like this, such as the sinking of the Lusitania, the Reichstag fire, Pearl Harbor, the JFK assassination, the sinking of the USS Liberty, Ruby Riedge, the Waco Branch Dravidian stand off, the OKC bombing, the 1993 WTC bombing, 9/11, the London 7/7 bombing, the Boston bombing, the Aurora Batman shooting, Sandy Hook, the Charleston church shooting, the Las Vegas Joker shooting, the Isle Vista shooting, the Waco biker shooting, the San Bernardino shooting, etc…

    I know how the government operates. I know how they lie. I know how they use the Heglian dialectic of creating a problem/crisis in order to get a desired reaction out of the public, and then offering up solutions to the problem/crisis which they created which happened to increase their power.

    I would not be surprised if this recent Orlando nightclub shooting is another false flag and/or hoax to push the gun control and police state agenda.

  27. William Saturn

    After the Beslan school shooting I remember many photos came out. There were no photos at all from Sandy Hook. I found that very suspicious. And I still haven’t heard a valid rationale for why they torn down the entire school just months later. Too traumatic? Well, Auschwitz still stands.

  28. robert capozzi

    There is merit to the idea “give ’em an inch, they’ll take a mile.” Using counters like NS does, that gun-free zones are the problem, however, undermines the anti-any-gun-regulation side, as it’s such an obviously flawed argument.

  29. Andy

    Yes, I want to see the dead bodies. Why? Because the government lies so much that i am skeptical of anything they say.

    The Charlie Hebdo shooting in France was another false flag / hoax (I neglected to mention that one above).

    The intelligence agencies and the politicians are staging these false flags and hoaxes to further their agenda, which is more power, more money, and more control.

  30. William Saturn

    What about the alleged bin Laden raid? I found that whole thing very suspicious. They assassinated him when it was preferable to take him alive. His body was immediately dumped in the sea. And they did not release any photos of the body.

  31. Andy

    Yeah, the bin Laden death was very suspicious as well, as was the mysterious helicopter crash that resulted in the deaths of SEAL Team 6, who participated in the raid where Osama bin Laden was supposedly killed.

  32. Jill Pyeatt

    I believe Osama bin Laden died in late 2001, as many different news sources, including Fox news, reported. I don’t know who died during the event where Obama’s guys supposedly took him out, but it wasn’t Osama bin Laden.

  33. Jill Pyeatt

    It’s too soon to tell what happened inOrlando last weekend. What happened to the days when a crime was investigated, and then the results announced? I’m disturbed when we’re told within hours who did it and why. For over 100 people being shot, I would hope someone investigates this. I fear they’ll close it up, since the man we’re told did it is dead.

  34. Jill Pyeatt

    Oh, and I don’t care how many tin-foil hat jokes are made now. It would behoove everyone to check some alternate sources before believing everything you’re told.

  35. langa

    When Johnson/Weld supporters keep talking about all the new “libertarians” that they will attract to the party, I guess they are referring to gun-grabbing authoritarians like Jon and Tony.

    And some people need to go back and reread this press release. Where does it say anything about forcing private property owners to allow guns in their business. It specifically criticizes the use of government-mandated gun-free zones.

  36. robert capozzi

    L: When Johnson/Weld supporters keep talking about all the new “libertarians” that they will attract to the party, I guess they are referring to gun-grabbing authoritarians like Jon and Tony.

    Me: These are fertile minds, Langa. You COULD view this as an opportunity to enlighten them on the error of their thinking. Instead, you castigate them for their plumbline violations. Do you really expect newbies to drop in fully able to recite passages from FaNL?

    L: And some people need to go back and reread this press release. Where does it say anything about forcing private property owners to allow guns in their business. It specifically criticizes the use of government-mandated gun-free zones.

    NS: Government-mandated “gun-free” zones disarm those who want to defend themselves and their loved ones. “Gun-free” zones create killing fields for mass murderers who, by definition, do not care what the law says.

    Me: The second sentence drops “government-mandated,” yes? We could rewrite the second sentence to read: “Private “gun-free” zones create killing fields for mass murderers who, by definition, do not care what the law says, which we acknowledge is the private property owner’s right, but we think it’s unwise and reckless.”

    He further asserts:

    NS: The beauty of the right to self-defense is that it keeps the criminals guessing as to who has a gun and who does not. This deters mass shooters from even trying.

    Me: This is QUITE the claim, especially given that most of these mass shooters are severely mentally ill. Do you, Langa, have strong evidence to suggest NS’s is a true statement? Can you and NS read the minds of the criminally insane?

  37. langa

    These are fertile minds…

    Unfortunately, they don’t seem to be open minds. Tony, in particular, has made it quite clear that he has heard the arguments against gun control, and is unpersuaded by them. This suggests to me that “fertilized” would be a better term for his mind.

    The second sentence drops “government-mandated,” yes?

    That’s to avoid being repetitive. It’s clear from the context that it’s not talking about policies established by private businesses, as almost no one uses the term “laws” to refer to such policies.

    Do you, Langa, have strong evidence to suggest NS’s is a true statement?

    I also have no evidence to suggest that punishment deters people from breaking laws, but it seems a reasonable assumption. On the other hand, assuming that people are insane is a waste of time, since, even if true, what does it tell us?

  38. natural born American

    If the Presidential nominee can claim that homosexuals are a protected class to the degree that they can force people to bake for them; it seems only fair the LP itself endorse the idea that arms bearers are a protected class who should not be denied service in public accomodations.

  39. Bondurant

    Gersh Kuntzman on the New York Daily News is a perfect example of the melodramatic gun grabber resorting the shameful propaganda. In the article he also gives his carefully selected gun dealer a gleaming endorsement because he supports intrusive background checks into the family and friends of a potential buyer.

    “The recoil bruised my shoulder. The brass shell casings disoriented me as they flew past my face. The smell of sulfur and destruction made me sick. The explosions — loud like a bomb — gave me a temporary case of PTSD. For at least an hour after firing the gun just a few times, I was anxious and irritable.”

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/firing-ar-15-horrifying-dangerous-loud-article-1.2673201

  40. robert capozzi

    L: Unfortunately, they don’t seem to be open minds. Tony, in particular, has made it quite clear that he has heard the arguments against gun control, and is unpersuaded by them. This suggests to me that “fertilized” would be a better term for his mind.

    Me: But you, Langa, are THE master. Who better than you to put together just the right combination of logic and rhetoric to bring clarity to these confused minds? At minimum, you could point them to some especially trenchant LvMI tract or passage in FaNL to correct their errant thinking.

    BTW, do you consider your mind open? If so, perhaps share the most recent instance in which you changed your mind about something political.

    L: I also have no evidence to suggest that punishment deters people from breaking laws, but it seems a reasonable assumption. On the other hand, assuming that people are insane is a waste of time, since, even if true, what does it tell us?

    Me: Well, it tells me that behavior-modification tactics are far more difficult if not impossible with the criminally insane.

  41. robert capozzi

    nba: If the Presidential nominee can claim that homosexuals are a protected class to the degree that they can force people to bake for them; it seems only the LP itself endorse the idea that arms bearers are a protected class who sahould not be denied service in public accomodations.

    me: Clever. Personally, I think GJ goes a bit too far on the cake-baking thing, although I think his sentiment is about right. I don’t think the LP as an institution has to bend to every one of GJ’s views, either.

    Do you think visitors to the Capitol and White House should have the right to carry there?

    The right to carry should be bounded by property rights, as I see it. If FL allows for public carrying, but they carve out bars and restaurants, that’s an interesting question of federalism. It strikes me as a reasonable exception, given that alcohol tends to lower inhibitions and the ability to aim.

    Why is it not reasonable, in your view?

  42. George Dance

    robert carpozzi: “If FL allows for public carrying, but they carve out bars and restaurants, that’s an interesting question of federalism. It strikes me as a reasonable exception.”

    Indeed. But, if “natural born American” wants the President to be able to strike down state anti-discrimination laws, he probably doesn’t care all that much for federalism, anyway.

  43. Andy

    It turns out that the alleged Orlando nightclub shooter, Omar Mateen, worked for a security company that has ties to the CIA, and his father is a long time is a long time CIA asset.

    Also, Omar had been monitored for several years, and interviewed by the FBI, and he met with FBI confidential informants.

    This whole thing is very fishy. Looks like another false flag.

  44. robert capozzi

    When you put it THAT way, AJ, sure. But he was a security guard, from what I gather.

    Still, that Orlando covers ISIS, homophobia, AND assault rifles seems almost contrived on one level.

  45. natural born American

    If “George Dance” wants to rape puppies, he probably doesn’t care much for federalism anyway.

  46. natural born American

    I wasn’t aware that the Capitol was a business acting as public accomodation. I’m pretty sure Congressmen have to leave the Capitol grounds before selling votes.

  47. Andy

    Robert, why are you acting surprised that the CFR/CiA media is giving more coverage to a fake “Libertarian” CFR ticket?

  48. Andy

    I bet that the Libertarian Party presidential ticket would be getting lots more publicity right now if we nominated the two candidates that Weld endorsed over the last 9 months to be on our ticket, Jeb Bush and John Kasich.

  49. Buzz

    Actually, I’m pretty sure the reason for the shooting was the dude’s latent homophobia and probable self loathing.

  50. Jill Pyeatt

    From what I’ve read, there hasn’t been any connections found between the alleged shooter and any of the extremist groups.

    It appears that his employer was connected with the Department of Homeland Security, though. How did he escape their radar?

  51. robert capozzi

    NAB: I wasn’t aware that the Capitol was a business acting as public accomodation. I’m pretty sure Congressmen have to leave the Capitol grounds before selling votes.

    Me: I use the Capitol and White House as examples of public places where I would think a reasonable person would conclude should be gun-free zones. NS advocates NO gun-free zones, which I don’t buy. But I am open minded.

    AJ: Robert, why are you acting surprised that the CFR/CiA media is giving more coverage to a fake “Libertarian” CFR ticket?

    Me: I’m not surprised.On paper, this is clearly the strongest L ticket ever. My only surprise is the strength of the coverage…better than expected.

    What do you surmise is the CFR’s motivation for this “CFR ticket”? What do you believe “they” are trying to accomplish? Since GJ/WW are tacking left, are they trying to hurt HRC and install DJT? Is is some sort of head fake to make it LOOK like they want Trump when they really want Clinton? Something else?

    Also, I don’t believe that GJ is a CFR member. Is he a willing participant in this Grand Conspiracy or just a tool?

  52. robert capozzi

    Langa, let me get this straight. Omar gunned down 100 people in an Orlando gay nightclub to stop bombing in his parent’s homeland? This makes sense how exactly? Or do you think Omar was mad?

  53. Andy

    The CFR’s motivation is to squash a real libertarian message from getting out, and a real libertarian movement from taking off. Another motivating factor may be that “the powers that be” (which includes the CFR) fears that they cannot control Donald Trump, and even though Trump is not a libertarian, they may fear that he will not do everything they want him to do, as they want Presidents who are puppets that they can control, so by controlling the LP ticket they could help swing the election to Hillary Clinton (they could rig the votes, but they would prefer a situation where they do not have to do that, or where it is not obvious that they rigged the election). It would actually be an added bonus to them if the LP can be scapegoated for costing Trump the election, therefore allowing Hillary to win the White House. If this scenario plays out, expect the LP to be demonized for this for years.

  54. Andy

    Is Gary Johnson in on the plan, or is heck dupe? I do not know, but I do think that Gary Johnson is overrated, and i have thought that since before the 2012 LP National Convention.

    I believe that there were other candidates for the presidential and vice presidential nomination in Orlando that the LP would be better off right now had they been selected instead of the present ticket. Even with Johnson as the candidate for President, we’d be better off if Larry Sharpe had won the VP nod instead of Weld. Johnson and Weld won because they stacked the convention with delegates.

  55. langa

    Omar gunned down 100 people in an Orlando gay nightclub to stop bombing in his parent’s homeland?

    That is apparently what he claimed.

    This makes sense how exactly?

    It doesn’t make “sense” that the shooting would actually cause the bombing to stop. But it makes a lot of sense to assume that bombing the shit out of a country, and killing scores of innocent people, would anger those with connections to that country, and cause them to desire revenge. Surely, that’s obvious.

    Or do you think Omar was mad?

    In a sense, I would say anyone who commits mass murder is insane. However, if we are comparing levels of insanity, I would say he pales in comparison to Weld’s buddy Frank Gaffney — a man who Johnson admits he has taken advice from!

  56. Andy

    This ticket of Johnson/Weld is the least qualified and least credible ticket the LP has ever run, well, with the possible exception of Barr/Root.

    I wish that the LP would start running more credible and more qualified candidates again, like Michael Badnarik and Harry Browne, both of whom were far more qualified and credible candidates than Johnson and Weld. Really, I am more qualified and credible than either of them, as are several other posters here.

  57. Andy

    Weld is especially an unqualified joke of a candidate. I would not hire Weld to be the night manager of a Kentucky Fried Chicken. I would not hire Weld to sweep the floor at the LP national office. The guy has zero credibility and no experience necessary to represent the Libertarian Party, or to hold office as a Libertarian (not that this is going to happen).

    Really, Vermin Supreme would have been a more credible and qualified LP VP candidate than Weld.

  58. Dave

    So Andy, just to understand, are you suggesting no one actually died in this attack?

  59. Andy

    “Dave
    June 16, 2016 at 00:21
    So Andy, just to understand, are you suggesting no one actually died in this attack?”

    I do not know if anyone actually died in this attack or not. What I do know at this time is that we are not being told the real story.

  60. Andy

    Did your son go to the club or the hospital and see the dead bodies? If not, this proves nothing. How well did he really know these people?

    Judging from my time hanging around wannabe actors in Los Angeles, and from my time working on political campaigns all over the country, I’d say that there are lots of people who would participate as crisis actors in false flag events if you offered them money, and some would even fake their own deaths if you paid them enough.

    Whether or not anyone really died at this club in Orlando, I think it is pretty clear that we are being lied to yet again.

  61. robert capozzi

    L: In a sense, I would say anyone who commits mass murder is insane. However, if we are comparing levels of insanity, I would say he pales in comparison to Weld’s buddy Frank Gaffney — a man who Johnson admits he has taken advice from!

    Me: Thanks for sharing this. I know next to nothing about FG, but to me acting on insanity strikes me as more harmful than having hurtful thoughts.

    Why do you feel otherwise? Or has FG committed acts of mass murder that I’m unaware of.

  62. robert capozzi

    aj: Johnson and Weld won because they stacked the convention with delegates.

    me: Evidence?

  63. langa

    Or has FG committed acts of mass murder that I’m unaware of.

    I guess it depends on what definition of “murder” you want to use. Do you consider Charles Manson to be a murderer — even though, to my knowledge, he never pulled the trigger?

  64. Jill Pyeatt

    I know everyone by now likes to make fun of Andy, but you all have to agree the scenario we’ve been painted is awfully hard to believe. We’re supposed to believe that this guy took in enough ammunition to shoot over a hundred people, some of them 10 or twelve times. How many times did he have to re-load, and no one tackled him? Then, the shooter supposedly had time to text his wife seven times, call 911 several times, post to Facebook several times, and also call a television station. Not one person tackled him while he was otherwise occupied?

    I don’t believe it. I don’t know what happened, but I don’t believe what we’ve heard so far.

  65. NewFederalist

    I have to agree with Jill. It is really easy to dismiss Andy because he cries wolf so often but this situation just seems too fantastic to be believable.

  66. Robert Capozzi

    At the risk of being un-PC, many patrons of a gay bar being aspiring actors is unsurprising to me.

  67. Andy

    I never “cry wolf,” I analyze facts and call things as I see them.

    I do not know for sure if anyone really died at the Orlando nightclub shooting or not, but as shown in the links above, there is ample evidence from what information that is already available to indicate that we are not being being told the real story, and we also know that this event is being used by those whose political agenda is to take away more of our freedom.

  68. NewFederalist

    “I never “cry wolf,” I analyze facts and call things as I see them.” – Andy

    Okay. If you say so.

  69. Andy

    Robert, there have been several of these shooting incidents where there have been alleged witnesses and alleged family members who were actors. Look at the Sandy Hook shooting in New Town, CT. Multiple family members of alleged victims, and witnesses of the events that day have been outed as actors. The father of the woman who was supposedly killed in the Virginia TV news station shooting has been outed as an actor.

    If a mass shooting took place in or near some place that is a hotbed for actors, like say the Hollywood section of Los Angeles, then it would not be so far fetched if there were actors involved, but the chances of this happening repeatedly in places where there is a much lower concentration of actors (as in a place like New Town, CT, which is not exactly a hotbed for actors), are extremely slim.

    It is a known fact that government agencies hire crisis actors. There are lots of people who will do anything for money, and even more so if their politics already line up with the agenda that is being push, and there are lots of people who are facing criminal charges (for drugs, or etc…) or who have tax problems, and if government agents offered people like this a way to make their criminal charges or tax problems go away, they would do it. All the government would have to do is some psychological profiling, and then have the applicants sign confidentiality agreements that contain severe penalties for breaking them, and then pay them off with a bunch of money (from both the government, and from charity scams). The families of the alleged Sandy Hook and Charleston church shooting received millions of dollars. You might be surprised to find out how low people will go for money.

  70. Andy

    How is pointing out holes and/or things that are shady in governments stories crying wolf?

  71. natural born American

    Mr Andy and Mr Robert can both be right here. Setting the scene in a gay bar would make it much easier to find crisis actors to put thig thing together. Young people work for less, too. So it’s win-win.

  72. NewFederalist

    “How is pointing out holes and/or things that are shady in governments stories crying wolf?” – Andy

    Well then, how about “The sky is falling!” ? If government was as devious and clever as you seem to believe then all I can say is save the last round in the chamber for yourself because there IS no hope! I don’t believe they are that good.

  73. Andy

    Lots of people in the acting world lean to the left politically, and many of them are already against gun rights. A lot of them are also struggling financially and working low paying jobs, or are out of work, while trying to make their “big break” in the acting world. I’ve known people like this and I’d be willing to bet money that a lot of them would jump at the opportunity to be crisis actors in a false flag/hoax if you offered them enough money.

    Back when I used to associate with some wannabe actors in Los Angeles I would occasionally get into political debates with them, and they acted like I was some kind of barbaric ruffian for supporting the right to keep and bear arms.

  74. Andy

    “NewFederalist

    June 18, 2016 at 11:58

    ‘How is pointing out holes and/or things that are shady in governments stories crying wolf?’ – Andy

    Well then, how about “The sky is falling!” ? If government was as devious and clever as you seem to believe then all I can say is save the last round in the chamber for yourself because there IS no hope! I don’t believe they are that good.”

    The government runs everything and libertarians run nothing. So the people who run government are obviously better organized and pretty damn intelligent when it comes to gaining and maintaining control.

    Even so, libertarians can win, we just have to achieve critical mass, that is if we could rally enough support, maybe around 1/3 or 1/4 or 1/5 of the population, to our side, the house of cards for the government could come crashing down.

  75. NewFederalist

    Have you ever worked within government? I have and at an enterprise level. It is very dysfunctional and agencies systems cannot even talk to each other even within the same department. You make them seem 10 feet tall and very smart. Trust me, that is NOT the case. Our greatest protection is government’s incompetence. Most agencies could not find their ass with both hands and a scoop shovel in a well lit room! Sleep well tonight, Andy. Your government is sleeping, too!

  76. Andy

    Yeah, and as dysfunctional as government is, government still controls everything and libertarians control nothing.

    Sure, there are stupid people in government, but they are mostly at the lower levels. The people who control government are not stupid, they are evil.

  77. Jill Pyeatt

    The ineptness of the government, if indeed they knew about or were involved in Orlando, might be why, 6 days later, their story is already not believed by a great many people. I would suggest there were many unscripted things that happened, and they haven’t had time to get their story straight.

  78. Be Rational

    Andy, NONE of the shootings you have referenced were fake. You have been duped.

    NONE of the conspiracies you allege to be fake or government conspiracies are what you think they are. Again, you have been duped.

    YOU think that people in government are smart, but evil. It’s understandable that they seem that way to you. There are a lot of bright Ds and Rs and bureaucrats using the govenment for power, pelf and privilege and some are pure evil …

    BUT, a high percentage of high level D and R leaders, top office holders, and government bureaucrats are dumber than stones; they aren’t bright enough to be evil.

  79. Andy

    How do you know this? I have spent lots of time studying all of them, and I think that the evidence points to every one of them having been a false flag. Did anyone die in any of them? I do not know, but I think that at least some of the casualties were fake.

  80. Andy

    If every person in the government was stupid, libertarians would have outsmarted them a long time ago, and we’d have a libertarian society right now.

  81. Be Rational

    A few suggest changes, beginning here:

    “The beauty of the right to self-defense is that it keeps the criminals guessing as to who has a gun and who does not. This … [WILL DETER SOME] … mass shooters from even trying.”

    [ADD}

    In those situations that do arise, armed citizens can and will use their weapons to defend themselves and others, to save lives and stop these attacks before police have the time to arrive. Citizens trained in the use of weapons will be able to defend themselves, even when they are not armed, because they won’t be afraid to jump an attacker who has paused to re-load or when opportunity presents itself. But in places and times where everyone is unarmed and trained to be afraid of firearms, as in the United States today, ever increasing violence and tragically high numbers of dead and injured from mass shootings are inevitable.

  82. Be Rational

    People who believe in crazy conspiracy theories, or looney schemes like the land tax, or waste time trying to change the voting system or end the Electoral College, or who work hard to prevent their state LP organization from growing, winning ballot status, enrolling voters and electing candidates, deter and demoralize those who actually have the organizational ability and intelligence to eventually build the LP into a new winning majority party and discredit the LP in the eyes of the general public whose support we ultimately need.

  83. natural born citizen

    This work isn’t all necessarily done by “government agents” per se. You could have a privately-held “security firm” like say maybe G4S putting most of it together on an operational level.

  84. Andy

    Be Rational, you must mean like the crazy conspiracy theories put out by the government as official stories. Yeah, people have got to be kooks to believe that stuff.

  85. langa

    People who believe in crazy conspiracy theories … discredit the LP in the eyes of the general public whose support we ultimately need.

    You mean like Weld’s old buddy Frank Gaffney, who until very recently, was Johnson’s foreign policy adviser?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Gaffney#Conspiracy_theories

    I agree that fielding a ticket with such close connections to such an obvious nutcase (and a deranged warmonger, to boot) definitely hurts the LP’s credibility.

  86. Andy

    The payoff money to the crisis actors is rolling in now. I bet they’ll get a lot more before this fades away. The Sandy Hook and Charleston church shooting hoax crisis actors have all received millions of dollars, from the tax payers and from charity scams set up to benefit them.

    Orlando Shooting HOAX : Crisis Actors $7 Million in Hush Money EXPOSED (Redsilverj)

  87. Andy

    Orlando Shooting Conspiracy FACT Fox News Intern is a Crisis Actor EXPOSED (Redsilverj)

  88. Andy

    Interesting video.

    Simulated Reality: THIS is How They Fake Shootings & Terror Events Like Orlando

  89. Andy

    MUST SEE VIDEO!

    Orlando Pulse Shooting Gets Busted (Illuminati False Flag Attack Exposed)

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