Steven Nekhaila running for Libertarian Party of Florida chair

Last week I reported that Jon-luc Tesky is running for LPF chair. There is at least one other candidate, current LPF treasurer and LNC region rep Steven Nekhaila (via FB):

A question I get asked often is, Steven, if you are elected Chairman who will serve as Treasurer? At first, I was extremely concerned at the prospect of finding the right successor for Treasurer as it is not something we should take lightly. This position is one that is held in extremely high regard and requires a professional and thorough touch, someone who is used to working within structure and understands rules and attention to detail. There were several candidates who were sought out, and while they all would have made excellent successors I picked one who stood out to me the most. David Salisbury II, while new to the State Party, has been highly involved and professional, he even represented us at the FEC hearing in Tallahassee in a mission to protect the Party’s assets, all that’s exactly what we did. An attorney by trade and someone who is used to working creatively and efficiently within structure, he has agreed to take on the goliathon task of becoming the next Treasurer of the LPF and I trust him to do so. Furthermore, training, memos, and my phone number will all be available to make the transition as seamless as possible and to continue to safe keep the finances and reputation of our Party.

Sincerely,

Steven Nekhaila
Treasurer
Candidate for Chair
Libertarian Party of Florida

Impotenes defender liberatum non possunt
Those without power cannot defend freedom

See also:
Lighting up lawns, burning up liberty: Libertarian Party of Florida convention 2019

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79 thoughts on “Steven Nekhaila running for Libertarian Party of Florida chair

  1. Joe Wendt

    I am rolling my eyes. He missed spelled goliathan, first of all. He embarrassingly asked for an extension of a required state audit, which if he ever read any of the required readings the state provides to ALL Treasurers for free, he should have know was not possible. Additionally, why is he talking about a replacement when the election hasn’t been held yet. Arrogant dumbasses like him make me happy to no longer be involved in the Libertarian Party

  2. paulie Post author

    Steven Nekhaila – Libertarian
    March 24 at 12:57 PM ·

    Dear Brothers & Sisters in Liberty,

    My name is Steven Nekhaila and I am running for Chairman of the Libertarian Party of Florida. For those who don’t know me, I have been heavily involved in the Libertarian Party since 2014. In Summer of 2014 I became a founding member of the Libertarian Party of the Florida Keys, currently serving my 5th term as Treasurer. That year I also became the Region 14 Representative of the Libertarian Party of Florida, representing Miami-Dade and Monroe County, which I served for 4 consecutive terms. In 2016 I served as the Libertarian National Committee’s Region 2 Representative Alternate, and in 2018 was elected as the Region 2 Representative, representing Florida, Georgia, and Tennessee. In 2018 I served as the At Large 1 Director until I switched seats to serve as the LPF’s Treasurer in order to use my experience to safeguard the Party’s assets and reconcile our case with the FEC. During this time, I have served on a plethora of committee’s including Affiliate Support, Platform, Blockchain, and several others.

    Professionally, I am a career restaurateur catering to my family’s expanding restaurant portfolio of high-volume sea food and quick service restaurants plus a movie theatre. Recently I became a franchisee for Dairy Queen and reopened a DQ in my hometown that was destroyed during hurricane Irma. I oversee more than 100 employees amongst our 7-unit Wendy’s franchise spanning across the FL Keys and North Carolina. With a results-oriented mindset, strict time management discipline, and keen interpersonal and conflict resolution skills, I have increased our FL Keys company sales over 25% since I began in 2014 while maintaining A level operations, A level customer feedback, and single digit employee turnover in an industry that average over 150%, despite the hurricane.

    When elected, I plan to focus on putting systems in place for the Executive Committee and ad-hoc Committees in order to create consistency across the board and to set expectations as to what is to be accomplished in each position, institutionalizing the knowledge of the LPF. I will renew our focus on affiliate support by giving our committees the tools they need to be successful such as CRM support and budget meetings and ensuring all committees are communicating and working together as one, instead of separate bodies. I shall build on the success of Operation First Step by developing the candidate pipeline to higher level offices, while simultaneously focusing on big ticket offices such as State House & Senate and Governor, thereby creating a clear “brand” for the Party and giving our next wave of First Step candidates important down ticket support. I especially want to focus on uniting the Party and putting our Ace’s to work advancing the cause of liberty by being the leaders the Party needs.

    I am passionate about the Libertarian Party and I will continue to do everything in my power to move our cause forward. All eyes are on us as the LPF continues to be one of the most controversial and successful Libertarian State affiliates in recent memory. Let’s be the pioneers and the teachers that will bring the rest of the Nation forward by building on our success. Allow me to be the Party’s servant by lending me your support for Chair at the LPF State Convention on May 3rd-5th in Tampa, FL.

    Sincerely,

    Steven Nekhaila

    Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
    Those without power cannot defend freedom

  3. paulie Post author

    Does anyone know how FB selects its “related pages”? For Steven Nekhaila – Libertarian FB recommend Trump Fans, something about Tulsi Gabbard, and the Communist Party of Massachusetts. Seems like an eclectic mix.

  4. Gina

    I feel like establishing residence in Florida just so I can vote for Tesky, Is it too late? We need to get the kind of thinking exhibited in that screenshot out of our party leadership, along with the likes of Ryan Ramsey and anyone making excuses for him and for Augustus Invictus when he was in the LP. Also, anyone involved with the choice of speakers they are promoting as the headliners of their convention does not belong anywhere near the power to make any such decisions.

  5. Bill Forrest

    I’m not sure about Florida. In most states the rule seems to be that you have to be a party member 30 days to be automatically allowed to vote in state conventions or otherwise the convention votes to suspend that rule. Usually the rule does get suspended unless there’s an organized takeover attempt which is typically obvious.

  6. Bill Forrest

    “That appears to be Steven Nekhalia calling Steven Nekhalia a nazi. Is that a parody?”

    Probably sarcasm. I don’t think he is a nazi but he does seem to make way too many excuses for “former” white nationalists who are not really former at all.

  7. paulie Post author

    I’ve seen the odd comments about immigrants before and discussed them with him briefly before I decided it was unproductive or had something else to do (I don’t remember). What’s the basis for the antisemitism charge other than his tolerance for “former” white nationalists in the LP? I know he is part Egyptian.

  8. paulie Post author

    LPF bylaws:

    A. Any person who is both an LPF registered voter and an LPF member at least sixty (60) days before the start of the Annual Business Meeting and who maintains that membership and registration through the Annual Business Meeting shall be eligible to be a delegate to that meeting. Delegate status may be denied or revoked by a 2/3 majority vote of the Executive Committee if a potential delegate has been found to have violated the non-aggression pledge

  9. FLAN

    Nekhalia has adopted the style and associations of Augustus Sol Invictus. He’s allies with known white nationalist figure Ryan Ramsey. He supports the movement to instill cultural conservativism in the LP. He hides behind his ethnicity, and has never rebuked the white nationalist infiltration

  10. dL

    Probably sarcasm.

    Well, I can certainly see how nazi self-parody would obviate any need for a party treasurer. Onward and upward!

  11. Wes Benedict

    Steven Nekhaila serves on the LNC, is a fantastic, ethical, principled, hard-working, friendly activist, apparently a great businessman, and would probably make an excellent chair for the LP Florida. I’m also a big fan of current chair, Marcos Miralles. It’s very disappointing to read comments by people falsely calling either of them racists or white supremacists or white supremacist sympathizers. People who are doing that sound just as bad as the portion of Republicans who accuse everyone who isn’t pro-war of being pro terrorism and anti-American. I’m very proud of Steven Nehaila and Marcos Miralles, and very disappointed by the false accusers.

  12. George Phillies

    @ top post “the Communist Party of Massachusetts.”
    As a resident of the Commonwealth, I am surprised to read that there is currently a Communist Party of Massachusetts. I hadn’t heard about them. I mean, it’s perfectly plausiblethat there is such a grop, but I have only met Revolutionary Socialists, the pro-Second Amendment sorts.

  13. paulie Post author

    It may just exist on facebook. I have no idea whether they have bothered to file whatever paperwork the Commonwealth requires much less whether or not you would be likely to run into them in the meatspace world anywhere. I have heard and perhaps seen a communist presence around Cambridge and Amherst but don’t remember what political party associations they have, if any.

  14. Jared

    dL: “That appears to be Steven Nekhalia calling Steven Nekhalia a nazi. Is that a parody?”

    A tasteless attempt at sewing confusion? What goes on in the LPF that an ethnically Egyptian candidate for state chair posts anarcho-nativist garbage about denying legal immigrants their political rights and then calls himself out on it? Is he mentally unstable or just another attention-seeking asstroll?

  15. dL

    and very disappointed by the false accusers.

    Steven Nekhaila falsely accused Steven Nekhaila. Foolproof victimhood!

  16. Florida Man Larry

    Hey Wes Benedict, since we are on the topic of people who defend white supremacy in the LP, remember when you said you thought Augustus Sol Invictus was mistreated, even after he helped organize Charlottesville as a headliner, campaigned against the federal government “for ending eugenics,” and called for a race war, among other things?

    It’s no surprise to see you defending other folks in the same leaky boat.

  17. wolfefan

    Hello Wes –
    Why are you proud of a guy who argues that some legal citizens should be deprived of the privilege of voting based on where they were born? To what extent does this reflect libertarianism (either small or big L) and how does it ethically advance a libertarian vision of what a society should look like? Is a man who holds this position likely to be an effective spokesperson for the party in a state like Florida where many citizens were born elsewhere and should therefore in his view be denied the franchise?

  18. Jim

    I don’t know anything about this guy, but that tie clip does not appear to be the same skull and cross bones formation as the adl link. It’s difficult to see, but the bones on the tie clip appear to be at an angle to each other and beneath the skull, where in the adl link they are parallel to each other and behind the skull. The adl link says “It is this particular image of a skull and crossbones that is considered a hate symbol, not any image of a skull and crossbones.”

  19. Jim

    Oh, never mind. The comment disappeared when I clicked off the page and then back on it after the 5 minutes was up.

  20. Florida Man Larry

    I was trying to be tongue-in-cheek about the tie clip. I don’t actually think Stephen is a Nazi. He just likes to hold their water. So that puts him somewhere between no brains and no principles, not uncommon.

    Though there’s still something humorous about adult men wearing pirate symbols. He’s clearly an edgy pirate.

  21. William T. Forrest

    FML,

    Arrrggghhh! So does Tesky have much support among actual likely delegates? I get the feeling Nekhaila has the inside track there despite comments on iPR.

    WTF

  22. Steven Nekhaila

    “They sell our kids into debt and slavery” was a comment by Jared Howe, a known anti-immigrant Western chauvinist, and likely a white supremacist as well. He has either blocked me or was taken down since then. I was debating him on immigration, I am pro pre-1886 style immigration. My girlfriend is Bosnian and is here on a green card, she shouldn’t need one. The conversation revolved around immigrants voting and how immigrants tend to vote left. I agree that immigrants should not be able to vote until they have time to assimilate to American culture and understand the political system so they do not bring their old politics with them. I do not believe suffrage is a right, I think it is a weapon and that Democracy is a failure. I believe we should end the welfare system for everyone, but it can start with immigrants so that 1) immigrants wont be used as a tool of the left and 2) welfare is legalized plunder and European countries are receiving immigrants from places like Iraq who claim to be Syrian just to receive welfare which is wrong and finally 3) we are more likely to open the boarders if welfare is ended for immigrants. End of story.

  23. paulie Post author

    Thanks for participating here, Steven. Will you be checking back in and answering additional questions, if any?

  24. Jared

    SN: “I agree that immigrants should not be able to vote until they have time to assimilate to American culture and understand the political system so they do not bring their old politics with them.”

    One of the two required tests an immigrant applying for U.S. citizenship (and voting rights) must take is a civics exam. Many naturalized immigrants are better informed than native citizens about government and the political process because they actually care enough to learn. If by “old politics” you mean beliefs and values that contradict the Hoppean anarcho-feudalist sociopolitical vision, sorry, but there is not and should never be an ideological litmus test barring certain groups of people from becoming full members of American society.

    “I do not believe suffrage is a right, I think it is a weapon and that Democracy is a failure. I believe we should end the welfare system for everyone, but it can start with immigrants. . .”

    Typical hard-right, Neo-Austrian talking points.

  25. Joe Wendt

    Nekhalia-1) immigrants wont be used as a tool of the left and 2) welfare is legalized plunder and European countries are receiving immigrants from places like Iraq who claim to be Syrian just to receive welfare which is wrong and finally 3) we are more likely to open the boarders if welfare is ended for immigrants. End of story.

    1) immigrants aren’t a tool of the left. Many immigrants vote Republican. Nekhalia’s assumption is factually wrong.

    2) there were Iraqi refugees in Syria at the time of the civil war. Syria actually received alot of Iraqi refugees. They’re not falsely claiming anything, they are fleeing another war zone.

    3) no, open borders never existed in this country, and Trumps election confirms no one wants open borders.

    On a personal note, Nekhalia is dumbass. This country was built on the belief that we have a right to vote, and anyone willing to go through the process to be a citizen has the right to part of the political process. Nekhalia doesn’t think sufferage is a right and democracy is a failure, fine; let’s start a gofundme to deport and send his dumbass to Saudi Arabia, where his mentality is the norm. He is a hate filled idiot to have that opinion.

  26. Steven Nekhaila

    Thank you for the discussion. These are my thoughts. If you have a problem feel free to call me, my phone is always on. 305-393-6412. If not I will see you at convention.

  27. Florida Man Larry

    WTF,

    I don’t think Tesky has much of a chance, but stranger things have happened. Too many of his likely allies have already left in disgust or been brown-shirted out.

    FML

  28. Steven Nekhaila

    Bottom line, immigrants should be allowed to freely come to this country with Ellis Island levels of interference, I could care less if they are able to vote or not. However, I do care about people, and there is a xenophobia that a lot of people who also have suffrage would say that immigrants are a threat to their freedom. If it means putting an assimilation time on immigrants until they get suffrage thats fine. I want to see immigration reform within my lifetime as most of my friends are immigrants (legal and illegal).

    Also, the European immigration problem could be solved overnight by revoking welfare. That, and stopping wars.

  29. Joe Wendt

    Laughing my ass off. LNC member openly preaches against LP Platform. Just a reminder, from that platform:

    Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders.

    The fact the LP gives Nekhalia credibility is hilarious. I look forward to sharing Nekhalia’s comments to take as many LPF voters as possible

  30. dL

    However, I do care about people, and there is a xenophobia that a lot of people who also have suffrage would say that immigrants are a threat to their freedom. If it means putting an assimilation time on immigrants until they get suffrage thats fine. I want to see immigration reform within my lifetime as most of my friends are immigrants (legal and illegal).

    Well, there is an assimilation process: It’s called naturalization. And anyone who passes that test guarantees themselves to be at roughly two standards from the mean in terms of understanding how the US government functions(at least according to the textbooks) relative to a random sample of the population. If the US were to put a poll test requirement for voter eligibility, naturalized citizens would be the only reliably eligible voting block. Additionally, Clinton’s 1996 Welfare Act put a 5 year residence requirement on any welfare eligibility. So, the things you claim are needed to placate the xenophobes have long been in place. And these things haven’t appeased anyone; they’ve only served to encourage them.

    Also, the European immigration problem could be solved overnight by revoking welfare. That, and stopping wars.

    Europe has a war refugee problem, not an immigration one. Given Nato’s role in destabilizing Northern Africa and Western Asia, Europe is hardly blameless in the matter. Accepting refugees would be a form of restitution as a complicit actor in causing the war refugees flows in the first place.

    I do not believe suffrage is a right, I think it is a weapon and that Democracy is a failure.

    The amusing thing about this Hoppe Dictatorship of the Taxpayer business is that everyone is a taxpayer. If you buy a stick of gum, you’re taxpayer. Hence, “taxpayer” is not a group delineation of any sort, unless course, it’s “all taxpayers are equal but some are more equal than others.” In that event, Lew Rockwell’s enemies list–the Koch Brothers, Wall Street Bankers, Tech platform billionaires et al–get to decide immigration policy. The only other alternative would be a simple 50.001% majority decide. If that’s the case, Hoppe’s book should have been entitled, “Democracy: The God that will save us from the immigrant hordes.”

  31. Steven Nekhaila

    @DL hey you know you are probably right. Given the fact that there is timing for assimilating and a 5yr min for welfare it would be reasonable to believe that anti-immigrant legislators will never be appeased and I could be wrong. My opinions are subject to change. As long as we get libertarians elected who can change things thats all that counts. However, I support ending welfare for all.

    I’ve never read Hobbes but suffrage is tyranny by the majority. I can understand the devils advocate position that voting is self defense. But Democracy is what has destroyed this country and I am sticking to my guns, the US was meant to be a Republic under a rule of law.

  32. paulie Post author

    But Democracy is what has destroyed this country and I am sticking to my guns, the US was meant to be a Republic under a rule of law.

    I used to repeat this Bircher talking point too, but it’s not exactly true. A republic is actually any form of government which is not ruled by a hereditary monarch. South American military juntas are Republics. I was born in the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. There are Republics all over the world which are authoritarian or totalitarian. On the other hand there are some representative democracies which have a limited monarchy, such as the UK. It’s true however that democracy does not guarantee freedom either, whether direct democracy or representative democracy.

    I’m glad you have an open mind on immigration issues. I hope you’ll consider the evidence that Ramsey is not actually a “former” white nationalist, but in reality is still one now. I’ll post links if you want them; they have been posted and discussed here many times before.

  33. Jared

    “I’ve never read Hobbes but suffrage is tyranny by the majority.”

    Hans-Hermann Hoppe. Although Hoppe seems to have more in common with Hobbes than he does with Locke. The Declaration’s “consent of the governed” principle implies a commitment to universal suffrage.

    “I can understand the devils advocate position that voting is self defense. But Democracy is what has destroyed this country and I am sticking to my guns, the US was meant to be a Republic under a rule of law.”

    It isn’t devil’s advocacy. Defensive voting serves to justify the Libertarian Party’s very existence, and our American electoral system is hardly the gold standard of democracy.

    The U.S. is a democratic republic. Liberal democracy upholds both equal natural rights and equal legal-political rights. The popular idea among right-libertarians and Austro-ancaps that “democracy” is shorthand for totalitarian mob rule is utter nonsense. Democracy is simply the equal distribution of political power. As long as political power exists, it will be distributed one way or another.

  34. paulie Post author

    Hans-Hermann Hoppe.

    Hoppe writes long volumes of long, turgid sentences. His ideas have permeated many more people than have actually read him themselves. Many are not even aware of his extensive ties to racist and fascist networks or that they are repeating ideas he originated.

  35. paulie Post author

    Then you can take Augustus Invictus (please). He was literally a card carrying member of the National Socialist Movement when he lived in Chicago. He continued to speak at their rallies as an LP member, LPF officer and candidate. His campaign website republished his law school paper calling for eugenics among many other offensive things. He talked about a white supremacist militia member not just as a legal client but as a close friend and brother. In November 2013 he wrote “my fellow American fascist” and displayed numerous fascist symbols all throughout his time in the LP. Afterwards he was one of the headliners of the Charlottesville racist rally and chief author of its alt right political platform. Some people also claimed he was a “former” fascist. Later it became that he has turned into a racist after he left the LP. In reality, he was a nazi before, during and after his LP stint.

    Ryan Ramsey was a close friend and collaborator of Invictus during his time in the LP. He has now dissociated from Invictus because Invictus is just too openly fascist, yet Ramsey continues to display all kinds of racist symbols even though he is supposedly a “former” white nationalist, says neo-nazi band Skrewdriver is his favorite band and covers them and other hate rock bands with his band, circulates recycled nazi propaganda, is an officer in an anti-immigrant militia which disseminates white nationalist materials on its website and proudly associates itself with a serial murdering anti-immigrant gang leader from the 1800s, glorifies the confederacy, and so on. I have had friends who are actual former white nationalists, who made a clean break from this crap and don’t do any of that. It’s like the difference between someone who actually is a recovering addict and someone who just pretends to be.

    Both Invictus and Ramsey have personally threatened me along with many others. They have driven a lot of former members out of LPF. They offered to take down articles full of half truths and outright lies about me down if I tool down truthful articles about Invictus (we don’t do that here). Why are fascists and white nationalists being allowed to be county chairs and state officers in LPF? Why do their convention headliners consist of the Libertarians for Trump guy, the co-founder of the neo-secessionist League of the South who just said white supremacism doesn’t even exist at the same tome yet another white supremacist killed another 50 people in New Zealand, and the “blood and soil” guy from the “Mises” (more like Rockwell/Hoppe) Institute? And that’s just the tip of the iceberg.

  36. dL

    I used to repeat this Bircher talking point too, but it’s not exactly true.

    “The United States is a republic not a democracy” is one of those inane doublethink conservative talking points that essentially boils down to the fact the term Republican Party contains the word Republic whereas the Democratic Party starts with the first 7 letters of the word, democracy.

  37. dL

    Hans-Hermann Hoppe. Although Hoppe seems to have more in common with Hobbes than he does with Locke. The Declaration’s “consent of the governed” principle implies a commitment to universal suffrage.

    Hoppe has nothing in common with either. Hobbes was the state of nature has an intractable compliance problem, a problem that extends to the legislature, too…hence Leviathan(single ruler). Locke held the state of nature compliance problem to only be suboptimal(the opportunity cost of protecting your property instead of using it). Hoppe is more Frank O. McCord, which is the tyranny of the mongrel races and the sexually deviant against white Christian patriarchy

  38. Thomas Knapp

    “Hoppe is more Frank O. McCord, which is the tyranny of the mongrel races and the sexually deviant against white Christian patriarchy”

    He’s a publicly self-proclaimed Marxist, too, educated at the historical home base of, and promulgating a supposedly “libertarian” version of, the “cultural Marxism” that so many of his followers love to complain about.

    To the extent that some of his followers affiliate with the LP, they’re the equivalent of the Democratic Party’s long-time Lyndon LaRouche problem. But the LP being a smaller party means that a cult like that can be more effective within it.

  39. Florida Man Larry

    When the ACLU issues a travel advisory for immigrants and people of color in Florida over proposed anti-immigration laws, where is the Libertarian Party of Florida loudly condemning those laws? I guess they’re with the Republicans complaining about immigrants.

    It doesn’t look like there’s an explicit immigration plank for the state that’s 1/5 immigrants, either.

  40. paulie Post author

    Hoppe has nothing in common with either. Hobbes was the state of nature has an intractable compliance problem, a problem that extends to the legislature, too…hence Leviathan(single ruler).

    While he’s in theory an anarcho-racist-patriarcho-theocrat, as an interim measure Hoppe justifies absolute monarchy on propertarian grounds. Gary North adds the theocratic element complete with stoning gay folks and loose women (Hoppe just says “physically remove” them but as far as I know doesn’t specify the preferred means of removal – his followers seem to be most fond of dropping people who belong to groups they don’t like or hold different political views out of helicopters), and Lew Rockwell adds summary beatings by police officers and bans on video cameras to the toxic stew. Prop up Ron Paul in front of a confederate flag and bring back the ghost of Murray Rothbard to gush about Strom Thurmond and David Duke for extra seasoning.

  41. Florida Man Larry

    Stephen’s troubling views on democracy and suffrage asside, one interesting thing to note here is how we have someone who seems to have no problem working with anti-immigrant extremists and self-styled “libertarian nationalists,” but thinks that truly believing a more moderate position in his head, for the moment, makes him completely different and better. Libertarians seem to have trouble understanding the unimportance of “what you really believe” when compared with who you support and what you have done.

    Another fun tidbit is how a white undocumented immigrant, Pierre-Alexandre Crevaux, seemed to be acceptable to the “libertarian [white] nationalist” “anti-immigration” crew. Pierre-Alexandre Cravaux was supposedly an associate of Florida libertarian Roger Stone. Though Cravaux has a fun history of his own. He is now working for Salome Zourabichvili, the President of Georgia. Zourabichvili has advocated for a return to monarchy in Georgia. Georgia started trying to normalize relations with Russia fairly recently as well.

  42. Root's Teeth Are Awesome

    dl: Europe has a war refugee problem, not an immigration one. Given Nato’s role in destabilizing Northern Africa and Western Asia, Europe is hardly blameless in the matter. Accepting refugees would be a form of restitution as a complicit actor in causing the war refugees flows in the first place.

    Europe is “hardly blameless”? Europe owes “restitution”?

    Israel is the biggest destabalizer in the Mideast. A week rarely goes by that Israel doesn’t bomb Syria. Israel also funds the ISIS groups fighting Assad.

    Destabalizing the Arab/Muslim world has been a decades long policy of Israel’s. Israel funded Hamas in the 1980s, so it would act as a counterweight to the PLO, and thus create a split among Palestinians.

    Israel funds guerilla groups fighting Assad to keep Syria weak, and thus ensure Israel’s hold on the Golan Heights.

    Israel also pressures the U.S. (which in turn pressures NATO), to further destabilize the Mideast and North Africa.

    Israel, more than any other Western nation, is responsible for any flow of war refugees. Of course, Israel is off the hook in taking them in. As Netanyahu said, Israel lacks the “demographic depth” and geographic depth to absorb refugees: https://www.ibtimes.com/israel-lacks-demographic-geographic-depth-absorb-syrian-refugees-netanyahu-2085168

    Israel is also constructing a border fence:

    Also on Sunday, Netanyahu announced the start of the construction of a fence along Israel’s border with Jordan. The proposed fence will connect existing ones along the Egyptian and Golan Heights borders.

    “To the extent that it is possible, we will encompass Israel’s borders with a security fence and barriers that will allow us to control our borders,” Netanyahu said. “We will not allow Israel to be flooded with illegal migrants and terrorists.”

    You can’t expect Israel to take the problem it created. So Israel passed the buck (yet again) to the West, which has been subsidizing Israel in so many ways, for so long.

    And while the media and political establishments demonize attempts by the U.S. or Europe to control their borders, Israel receives only praise from the establishment, all critics being demonized as “extreme.”

  43. dL

    Europe is “hardly blameless”? Europe owes “restitution”?

    Israel is the biggest destabalizer in the Mideast.

    I didn’t write Europe bore the sole responsibility. The United States bears the lion’s share. Rest assured, I’m no fan of the Israeli apartheid regime, but Israel does not run the world.

    And while the media and political establishments demonize attempts by the U.S. or Europe to control their borders, Israel receives only praise from the establishment, all critics being demonized as “extreme.”

    I’m not aware of the any media or political establishment demonization of border control. I wish. What I am aware of is the media coverage of Trump’s family separation into concentration camps and his abridgment of international law and custom regarding asylum seeking. But that’s Trump’s fault. If he would keep his rhetoric moderate and his actions extreme–which is how his predecessors operated–then he could be doing what he is doing probably without much scrutiny. Instead, he is the one who is making this stuff a major political issue. So, of course, it’s going to get intense media coverage. That’s exactly what he wants.

  44. dL

    as an interim measure Hoppe justifies absolute monarchy on propertarian grounds.

    He actually justified it along the lines of Austrian Time preferences. The argument is that monarchy would be governed by a more future-oriented, low-time discounting whereas democracy is driven more by present-oriented discounting. This creates a major difference in the incentive structure of the governing systems, particularly with respect to the rate of “plunder.” Since hereditary monarchy would have a vested interest in the long-term preservation of rule(future-oriented outlook), there would be more constraints on bad policies compared to liberal democracy’s present-oriented discounting incentive, which offers little or no constraints.

    There are two major problems with that thesis. One is the assumption that a hereditary monarchy would be future oriented. Maybe. Maybe not. A monarch could be motivated by future preservation. But he could also be motivated by immediate glory. Of course, the hereditary line of succession was always governed by intrigue. God may have decreed a divine right of rule for the bloodline, but the bloodline’s progeny often had different ideas on whom God had chosen to wear the crown.

    But the biggest flaw is the ex-ante efficieny claim regarding the “path” of Monarchy. Sure, you may know it now. But no one knew that in the 17th century. And with the enlightenment and all, and with the proliferation of the common man being able to read and write, few were going to continue to accept the legitimacy of hereditary rule by divine right. Hence, any hereditary monarchy could only retain legitimacy by means of a security state and would waste considerable resources to enforce/maintain recognition of its legitimacy. The hereditary monarch would end up only being a figure head office for the real power: the permanent security/intelligence apparatus.

    Of course, in the alternative history timeline of hereditary monarchy, an obscure German praxeologist named Franz Floppy would eventually write an underground political tract, “Hereditary Monarchy: The God that Failed,” using an Austrian Time Preference approach to argue that governments not rooted in democratic legitimacy exhibit extreme present-oriented discounting fixated on manufacturing legitimacy. Forget 5 years down the road, much less a 100. The major concern is quashing the dissent 5 minutes from now that mocks the divine right of King William The Combover to rule.

  45. dL

    To the extent that some of his followers affiliate with the LP, they’re the equivalent of the Democratic Party’s long-time Lyndon LaRouche problem. But the LP being a smaller party means that a cult like that can be more effective within it.

    It’s not a small, isolated problem.
    [large numbers of libertarians do not support fully open borders…John Phillips]
    http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business/2019/016205.html

    I think 50 years of conservative fusionism served as a gradual immunoglobulin depressor which has allowed a rapid metastasis of this bordertarian(i.e, commie) cancer. 10 years ago, the association I had with the term anarcho-capitalist was Nozick, Anarchy ,State & Utopia, David Friedman, The Machinery Of Freedom, or even Karl Hess, but now it’s the Klan. I might call myself an anti-capitalist for no other reason than to reject white identity politics.

  46. Jim

    I have long assumed that a majority of libertarians did not fully support open borders. But the non-open borders libertarians were largely “screen out the murderers and terrorists, but anyone else who wants to come to the US is welcome”, and not “there are too many taco stands and Spanish radio stations and they’re takin r jobs.”

    In other words, they were Modern Liberals, not nationalists.

  47. dL

    I have long assumed that a majority of libertarians did not fully support open borders.

    I long assumed they did, otherwise they wouldn’t be libertarian. If you think the state has the authority to control the liberty of movement across political/jurisdictional boundaries, you can’t call yourself a libertarian.

  48. paulie Post author

    non-open borders libertarians were largely “screen out the murderers and terrorists, but anyone else who wants to come to the US is welcome”, and not “there are too many taco stands and Spanish radio stations and they’re takin r jobs.”

    Given the status quo I would count that as functionally open borders. The CA border with other US states has those stupid guard stations where they ask you if you are bringing in fruits or vegetables but I’d still consider it an open border.

  49. paulie Post author

    I am a libertarian.

    I think of you as more alt right than libertarian.

    I am not an anarchist.

    Anarchy is not the issue. States, cities and counties have open borders, but they still very much do exist as coercive territorial monopoly governments.

  50. paulie Post author

    He actually justified it along the lines of Austrian Time preferences.

    I know. I was using shorthand. Unlike many people who spout second hand Hoppeanism, I actually have read several of his books, talked to him personally, etc.

  51. George Phillies

    Congratulations to all on fixing and improving the comment software. It seems to be posting properly now.

  52. Florida Man Larry

    Alt-right stopped being alt-right when they mainstreamed. They are now the mainstream right, possibly the far right, or hard right. Alt-right is no longer a useful or accurate descriptor.

  53. Jared

    I consider myself open borders relative to the current immigration regime, and certainly a libertarian, but I also think aliens can be turned away in cases when such persons pose a reasonable threat to public health. Yes to screening for contagious diseases of a foreign provenance to which Americans would be especially susceptible; no to immigration quotas, merit or skills-based assessments, and ideological litmus tests.

  54. NewFederalist

    Paulie- since you have shared with us your characterization of William Saturn as “alt right” how do you characterize yourself?

  55. dL

    but I also think aliens can be turned away in cases when such persons pose a reasonable threat to public health.

    Turned away where? At a checkpoint? How many checkpoints are you going to have? The contiguous border length is roughly 6000 miles(and for water, there are ~ 360 commercial ports). Are you going to hunt down the ones who didn’t go through the sanctioned checkpoints. “pose a reasonable threat to public health” is a soundbite talking point. It’s unenforceable. And the degree one actually tries to enforce it is the degree one no longer has an open border.

  56. paulie Post author

    Alt-right is no longer a useful or accurate descriptor.

    I would say it still is. Like libertarian, conservative, socialist, or any other political term, there’s some disagreement on exactly what is or isn’t included yet it’s still fairly well defined: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right

    Of course, I’ve also found it accurate to describe that set of beliefs as “alt reich.”

  57. paulie Post author

    I consider myself open borders relative to the current immigration regime, and certainly a libertarian, but I also think aliens can be turned away in cases when such persons pose a reasonable threat to public health. Yes to screening for contagious diseases of a foreign provenance to which Americans would be especially susceptible; no to immigration quotas, merit or skills-based assessments, and ideological litmus tests.

    I understand your concern, but it’s not practical to screen everyone for diseases at the border. Everyone coming in whether by land or airport would have to be held at the border for weeks to be fully tested. If you wanted to be really thorough all cargo would have to be similarly detained and screened as well. Tourism and commerce would grind to a halt. Anything short of that would be more security theater than actual border security.

  58. paulie Post author

    Paulie- since you have shared with us your characterization of William Saturn as “alt right” how do you characterize yourself?

    Libertarian.

  59. dL

    Alt-right stopped being alt-right when they mainstreamed. They are now the mainstream right,

    No, not quite. Christian zionism is a bedrock of the “mainstream right.” Not so much when it comes to the alt-right. Capitalism is still a clean word with the mainstream right. That may not be the case with the alt-right.

  60. dL

    but it’s not practical to screen everyone for diseases at the border.

    If the specter of communicable disease vectors was really the worry, it would seem that worry would be more focused on the anti-vaxxers. And screening for childhood immunization in the public school system is quite practical.

  61. paulie Post author

    Yes, but that was not the question. In reality it’s just another of several things that people who oppose immigration for racial/ethnic reasons scare other people who have no such hangup into opposing immigration with, and I understand why people fall for it.

  62. Jared

    paulie,

    You make good points. I had Typhoid Mary in mind, but also smallpox blankets, although I suppose that should be filed under the category of biological warfare.

    dL,

    Who isn’t concerned about the impact of anti-vaxxers on public health? I thought we were talking about immigration and border policy.

  63. dL

    Who isn’t concerned about the impact of anti-vaxxers on public health?

    I’m not that particularly concerned about it

    I thought we were talking about immigration and border policy.

    It wasn’t a thread hijack, It was simply an observation that the “communicable disease” objection to the liberty of movement is usually not the real objection.

  64. Jared

    dL,

    I wasn’t suggesting you were trying to hijack the thread. You said,

    “If the specter of communicable disease vectors was really the worry, it would seem that worry would be more focused on the anti-vaxxers.”

    I took your statement to mean that people who would raise any such concerns about a policy of radically open borders are disingenuous, covering for their racial-ethnic nationalism, because if they really cared about public health, their sights would be set on the anti-vaxxer threat to herd immunity and not on immigrants as potential asymptomatic carriers. Perhaps I misinterpreted.

  65. William T. Forrest

    Anti-immigrant arguments usually originate with racists, but they get adopted by many people who are not. Some are adopted by people who are pull up the ladder immigrants themselves. Once they are in they want to shut the door behind them, and they are often among the most vigorous parrots of anti-immigrant arguments created by racists.

    Many anti-immigrant arguments are cleverly designed to appeal to various people who may be concerned about crime, public health, environmental issues, job security, taxes/welfare dependency, and so on. Most of the people who adopt these arguments are not racists themselves and in most cases don’t know that the arguments they are echoing were disingenuously put forward by bigots. If bigots only made arguments which appealed to other bigots they would not have much political clout. Unfortunately, many of them are smart enough to broaden their appeal.

  66. dL

    I took your statement to mean that people who would raise any such concerns about a policy of radically open borders are disingenuous, covering for their racial-ethnic nationalism for something other than the professed concern

    fixed…

  67. Jared

    “for something other than the professed concern”

    How charitable of you to assume bad faith but leave the “why” an open question. I wonder what ulterior motive you could possibly have in mind.

  68. dL

    How charitable of you to assume bad faith but leave the “why” an open question.

    no charity involved. I billed myself two cents…

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