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Nicholas Sarwark was feeling sad.
August 12 at 8:05pm · Phoenix, AZ
I have dedicated my life to defending individual freedom. Freedom to make good choices or bad choices. Freedom to say kind things or hurtful things. Freedom to pursue happiness anyway you choose as long as you don’t hurt other people and don’t take their stuff.
America was built on the principle that Dr. Cornel West and Richard Spencer both have a right to say what they believe and advocate their views without any prohibition from government. Muslims and anti-Shariah protesters in Dearborn share the same sacred right to speak, even if their speech is hateful.
What nobody has the right to do is engage in violence when their ideas fail. Nobody has a right to drive a Dodge Challenger into a crowd of protesters, injuring many and killing one. Nobody has a right to run into a crowd of protesters and beat them with sticks and clubs. Nobody has a right to, as the saying on Twitter goes, “punch a Nazi” who hasn’t thrown the first punch.
Nationalism and racism is a sickness that flows from weakness and lack of anything other than the privilege of birth to be proud of. It’s pathetic and it’s anti-Libertarian. I want nothing to do with it or its advocates.
Violence will not end violence. In the marketplace of ideas, the stronger ideas win.
All freedoms, for all people, all of the time. That’s what I believe in. That’s what the Libertarian Party stands for.
We extend our deepest condolences to the friends and family of the woman killed in Charlottesville and all those impacted by the violence in Virginia.
Yours in liberty,
Nicholas Sarwark
Chairman, Libertarian National Committee
Another excellent report from Luke Rudkowski of We Are Change. Must see.
The Governments Manufactured Hate Crisis CONFIRMED & EXPOSED
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q79mWbGZ2Gs&t=1s
“Chuck Moulton
August 23, 2017 at 12:26
Paulie, your mistake is assuming Andy ever reads anything you write or link to. He just scans the Internet for anyone crazy enough to agree with him, then repeats it as if it were fact.”
I read plenty of posts here, too many if anything.
I don’t post anything that is “crazy,” nor do I ever troll. and I read plenty of posts, too many if anything. I post facts, and if you can’t understand this, Chuck Moulton, all this means is that you’ve got your head shoved up your ass, and I will be happy to debate you in person, and have it put on video and posted to YouTube, the next time I see you at an LP convention or meeting.
So if you think that I’m wrong about something, you will have a chance to prove me wrong in public the next time I see you.
Paulie, your mistake is assuming Andy ever reads anything you write or link to. He just scans the Internet for anyone crazy enough to agree with him, then repeats it as if it were fact.
I have come to the conclusion that when he is not gathering signatures, Andy has perfected the art of Trolling. Part of him doesn’t mean to. He thinks he is enlightening us. Instead he is trolling us and dulling his deluded mind with every possible conspiracy link. But I also think that part of him knows exactly what he’s doing.
I don’t throw out the title of “troll” easily. I hate when others do it. You have to truly be a troll master for me to reach that point.
And how is this relevant to anything? The fascist riot wasn’t even really about the statue – if you listen to their slogans or look at their posters, that was not even a leading issue for them. And the issue with the statue isn’t even that Lee was a bigot, it’s that he led an army rebelling against the US to preserve slavery and that the statue was put up during segregation to send a message of white supremacy which was heard loud and clear.
False. The Jason Kessler who worked for CNN was not the same Jason Kessler. If you read the snopes link I put up earlier you would not be spreading this nonsense. If you don’t believe snopes, write to CNN yourself.
Wow, check this out. It turns out that the black Vice Mayor of Charlottesville, who has been a leader in the crusade to tear down the Robert E. Lee statue, has a history of bigotry himself.
Unbelievable! Look at the “Reformed Bigot” Behind the Removal of the Robert E. Lee Statue
http://www.independentsentinel.com/unbelievable-look-at-the-reformed-bigot-behind-the-removal-of-the-robert-e-lee-statue/
From the article: “Dr. Bellamy appears to have quite a history as a bigot
As the vice mayor and Albemarle public school teacher, Bellamy is one of the leaders in the fight against the Confederate memorials. But as of December 2016, he resigned from teaching and stepped down from his seat on the Virginia Board of Education because of the criticism he’s been facing for offensive tweets. Bellamy’s comments have ranged from writing, ‘I DON’T LIK WHIT PEOPLE,’ to criticizing female teachers as ‘fkn a sure fire way to fk our lil boys up,’ and he made vulgar gay slurs though now he’s a big LGBT supporter – allegedly.”
More evidence has surfaced that raises questions about Unite The Right rally organizer, Jason Kessler.
BUSTED: Unite The Right’s, Jason Kessler, Was Paid By CNN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NciV3aDq9MM
Excellent breakdown on what happened in Charlottesville, by Jason Bermas, who is now working with We Are Change. Must see.
Manufactured Outrage and Charlottesville
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9kwB7UtDhg
Fake news. No such thing.
Except that it didn’t. Nazis threatened violence and they carried it out. It’s as simple as that.
35-0 hospitalizations … zero fascists hurt and zero property damage to fascists… and they were threatening violence *before* the march. Those are the facts.
What does his race have to do with anything? Why did you have to describe him as “a black guy?”
There Antifa Alt-Left groups have been creating violence all over the country. They were smashing windows and throwing rocks and engaging in other acts of vandalism during the Donald Trump inauguration. Don’t like Trump? That’s fine, I don’t like him either, but this was no excuse to go out and vandalize property and assault people (like smashing the windows of a Starbucks, and etc…). Trump had not even done anything yet as an elected official, and regardless of what Trump had done, it still would not make it OK to attack the person or property of innocent people.
Another example is what happened during that Milo Yiannopoulos speech in Berkely. Milo had been invited to speak, but these Antifa goons showed up, and engaged in so much violence and mayhem that the speech got shut down. Don’t like Milo? Fine, don’t go to the speech, or challenge him to a public debate. Not liking somebody is not a reason to engage in violence to prevent somebody from speaking.
So it is really surprising that the same thing happened in Charlottesville with these Marxist agitators? I am not surprised.
ANTIFA Inciting Violence At Charlottesville Rally In Virginia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s8R_cGgvFY
This is from the video description on YouTube: “Published on Aug 13, 2017
ANTIFA is a Liberal domestic terror group funded by George Soros, and here we see them inciting violence at yesterday’s rally in Charlottesville. You will notice in this video that it is ANTIFA throwing the first punch.”
Then why the 35-0 disparity in hospitalizations?
This video below was posted by a black guy by the name of Jamarl Thomas.
Far Right Marchers Assailed By Leftist in Charlottesville, Va
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqM-hTZyMHs
All except the next-to-last sentence are factually true. That thing about the “agenda” is far less supported by any sort of factual evidence. I’m not saying it’s impossible, but there are any number of other explanations for the known facts which seem much more plausible. See above.
If the police in Charlottesville had actually done their jobs, there may not have been any violence in Charlottesville. or certainly much less of it. There were plenty of cops there. They allowed the violence to take place because that was part of the agenda. The cops were just following orders.
Well duh. Is someone denying that?
Yes, their strategy to stand down was bad, but that doesn’t prove that it was part of some larger government plot. You are conflating two very different lines of argument.
No one is denying it. What does it prove in your mind? I think the most likely explanation is that there are white supremacists all up and down the police chain of command but it could be that it was just some kind of stupid idea that there would be less violence if they did not intervene too much. Or maybe they had intel that violence was likely – there are any number of public predictions of that – and ordered police to stand down because they wanted to protect their own asses rather than the public. Some kind of sinister plan to intentionally cause violence as some kind of false flag for (what exactly?) could also be a possible explanation but it seems like a relatively less likely one than all of these others.
Here is something that should appeal to all of the cosmotarians out there. Reason Magazine’s blog has reported that the ACLU said that the police in Charlotteville were ordered to stand down.
So now are the cosmotarians out there going to cancel their subscriptions to Reason Magazine?
ACLU Blames Cops for Charlottesville Violence
“Law enforcement was standing passively by, seeming to be waiting for violence to take place, so that they would have grounds to declare an emergency, declare an ‘unlawful assembly’ and clear the area.”
http://reason.com/blog/2017/08/17/de-policing-the-neo-nazi-rally-in-charlo
Thanks for clearing that up.
I’ve already posted the snopes links about Kessler’s ideological evolution. Not sure if it was this thread or not. Nothing that strange about it. As for Fields, your source on that is just wrong. It traces back to someone mixing up Kessler and Fields. There is zero evidence that Fields supported either Obama or Hillary. Kessler did support Obama but not Hillary. He became a racist during the Obama years.
Stop the presses, they went to the same university! LOL
Which must be why the number of people in the hospital was 35, all of them from the anti-fascist side. No fascist hurt and no property damage to any fascists. BTW almost half the people in the hospital were NOT from the vehicular assault.
Gee, those “crazy conspiracy theorists” at the ACLU are saying that the police were ordered to stand down in Charlottesville.
ACLU Blames McAuliffe, Police for Charlottevsille
http://www.wnd.com/2017/08/police-stand-down-behind-violence-in-charlottesville/
Andy
Well! That solves that! Two dudes went to the same university! I went to the same university as Bob Beckel, so I guess every Wagner College Alum is a leftist (even though it’s pretty much run by conservatives).
Do you realize how ridiculous you sound? . . . well, obviously you don’t . . . However, we all do.
Andy:
No. He sides with sanity.
You call me a “democrat” as though it’s some sort of insult.
You know that The Affordable Care Act covers mental health screenings, right?
Just to be clear, I am not suggesting that the protest in Charlottesville did not happen, nor am I saying that all of the protesters were fake. I am sure that there were real protesters on both sides. What I am saying is that we know that there were in fact paid protesters on the leftist side, and that at least two people on the other side, pro-statue rally organizer Jsaon Kessler, and the alleged driver of the car that went into the crowd (I believe his name is Alex Fields), were both recently Democrts who supported Obama and Hillary. Richard Spencer also has some question marks surrounding his background, and it turns out that he attended the same university as one of the leftist organizers that was there. It has come out as a fact that the Charlottesville police were ordered to stand down, and the leftist agitators were in fact throwing things and initiating violence. It has now come out that members of the State Department and CIA were on the ground.
If somebody online wants to sit back and call me names for looking deeper into facts beyond what the mainstream media says, fine, go for it. You can ignore the fact that there are intelligence agencies that have multi-billion dollar budgets, and that they have been caught manipulating events in the past. You can ignore the fact that the mainstream media routinely lies, and that they have been caught reporting fake news (remember the fake news story back in the 1990’s where a Kuwati girl lied about the Iraqi military ripping Kuwait babies out of incubators and leaving them on the floor to die?).
If anyone cares to debate me in person, on this, or any other topic connected to politics, I am not hard to find. I am in Ohio right now, and you will probably see me popping up at various Libertarian Party, and/or other libertarian meetings/conventions/events around the country. I will probably be in New Orleans next year for the Libertarian National Convention.
It is pretty sad that people like Chuck side with idiot Democrats like Tony From Long Island rather than engaging in any critical thought.
Hey Chuck, the next time I see you at an LP function how about we debate any issues you have with me in person? I will be sure to bring a video camera.
It’s pretty sad that Andy barfs his mental illness all over IPR every time there is a tragedy. I’m a little surprised that someone that gullible hasn’t gone completely broke by now buying the Brooklyn bridge over and over again.
Breaking: every time there’s a tragedy Andy thinks CIA orchestrated it. If there was a pile-up on the freeway Andy would probably say that it was a false flag.
“Tony From Long Island
August 21, 2017 at 13:35
You prove once again, that you are a truly sick man. What type of synapse problem would lead someone to be as twisted as this individual is? The delusional venom just never stops.”
You prove once again that you are incapable of analyzing data and engaging in critical thought.
You prove once again, that you are a truly sick man. What type of synapse problem would lead someone to be as twisted as this individual is? The delusional venom just never stops.
You people are being played with this Charlottesville nonsense.
Breaking: State Department/CIA Orchestrated Charlottesville Tragedy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52C5-GplKxg
Let me know when you think one of these incidents is not staged with paid actors by the Democrats, Soros and the US Government.
Busted!
Breathtaking: Democrats Caught Hiring Paid Actors To Trigger Riots In Charlottesville
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCfOsXPOCjM
Of course. You are like a broken clock, every single event like this is “staged” according to the crap you rely on. Every single one. It’s completely predictable by now, every time something like this happens there will be some idiot on youtube or a website somewhere claiming it is staged and you will post it as if it has some validity. You can set your watch to it.
That one is bullshit. He had a long history of racist social media posts and his mother became a racist as well thanks to him. You take a lot of sources that spout total crap at face value.
Breaking: Charlottesville Confirmed Agitprop Staged Event
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhPG3SXOMco
Wow, this Charlottesville story is really getting weird.
Charlottesville Killer Was Hillary Supporter, Funded By Soros
http://yournewswire.com/charlottesville-hillary-soros/
From the article: “The man accused of being a neo-Nazi and murdering a woman by deliberately driving into her during protests in Charlottesville is in reality a supporter of Hillary Clinton and member of Antifa in receipt of funding by George Soros, according to reports.”
I am still researching this, but this is looking more and more suspicious.
George Phillies said: “That is not a reasonable criticism. The apparent perpetrator seems unlikely to have been identified in advance, by anyone, and once he started his attack, well, there is a fast way to stop an automobile, but no one was carrying the needed antitank rocket. Standard firearms, unless you manage to penetrate the engine block and jam the engine, are unlikely to help. Even killing the perp is a likely fail; his weight is still on the accelerator.”
If the police had been doing their job, either the car would not have been there (they would have cops directing cars away from where all of those people were standing around), or the police would have moved the people off the street.
The police stood down. This has been confirmed.
Yes it is. Their violence is escalating. Unfortunately, I predict more murders.
I watched some of the Alex Jones video that Andy linked to. The journalist – Stranahan – talks about a movement in Ukraine he refers to as “svodoba” – and he shows photos of a rally. The photos show people holding flags with the word in kyrillic that transliterates as “Svoboda” – which means “freedom” in Russian and Ukrainian. Also Stranahan makes reference to black & red flags, saying they stand for “Blood & Soil” which he refers to as a Nazi slogan.
Look for Alex Jones to expose Jeff Deist as an agent of the fourth reich. Hope Andy can send us the link.
“…allowed them to escalate all the way to murder….”
That is not a reasonable criticism. The apparent perpetrator seems unlikely to have been identified in advance, by anyone, and once he started his attack, well, there is a fast way to stop an automobile, but no one was carrying the needed antitank rocket. Standard firearms, unless you manage to penetrate the engine block and jam the engine, are unlikely to help. Even killing the perp is a likely fail; his weight is still on the accelerator.
Breaking! Breaking!
Indisputable pictorial evidence this was all staged by Hollywood actors!
No it’s not. Every time there’s a leftist protest or a terrorist attack Andy thinks the CIA and Soros are involved. It’s like a broken clock, except that I don’t think he’s even right once or twice a day.
Oh here we go . . . now it’s Soros . . . Using the right-wing boogie man is even below your low standards of decency Andy.
Interesting interview.
Bombshell Connection Between Charlottesville, Soros, CIA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L58T2dl997A
From what I can tell, it’s not unusual for police to take the posture “OK, there are two gangs of goons getting ready to go at each other. Instead of risking our officers’ safety trying to stop that, we’ll just hang back and make sure nobody e.g. sets buildings on fire.”
The nationalists came to town looking for a fight, and they were counting on the police to break up that fight so that they:
1) Wouldn’t get their asses whipped; and
2) Could complain that the police intervened and pretend that boyo, they would have whipped Antifa ass if the mean old cops hadn’t stepped in.
One of the best ways to deal with these fuckers is to give them what they claim to want but actually fear.
Why is it fishy? People have political changes of view all the time, some more rapidly and/or frequently than others.
You say this every single time. What it actually boils down to is that people with money and political viewpoints donate some of their money to organizations that espouse those viewpoints and those organizations help facilitate their supporters in showing up in public places in support of those viewpoints. So what? That happens all over the political map and there’s nothing illegitimate about it. Some people, primarily on the right wing, have seized on this as a way to deligitimize their opposition, as if it is somehow less genuine because some people help others in getting to places on behalf of a political view. That’s a bullshit argument, aside from its bizarre overuse and exaggeration in some quarters. It’s like the people who claim you or I can’t believe what we believe because we get money to collect signatures, for example for the LP. That’s horseshit and so is most of this “paid protester” crap.
As for police ordered to stand down…funny how that does not happen at police accountability rallies. My best guess is that this has to do with the racists and fascists all up and down the police chain of command.
“Tony From Long Island
August 15, 2017 at 11:11
Why am I actually surprised when Andy say more goofy shit? I shouldn’t be.
Here you go LP members – here is one of your more vocal Spokesperson – Andy!!!”
Why am I not surprised to see another anti-critical thinking post from Tony The Democrat From Long Island, attacking me for investigating the facts?
Here you go LP members, more stupid comments from a Democrat from Long Island. Why a Democrat spends so much time at a website for minor party and independent candidates is anyone’s guess.
Why am I actually surprised when Andy say more goofy shit? I shouldn’t be.
Here you go LP members – here is one of your more vocal Spokesperson – Andy!!!
Police Ordered to STAND-DOWN In Charlottesville, Paid Protesters Exposed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0O6GuTGucak
I don’t know if this guy really had an ideological transformation or not, but this is rather fishy. The guy who organized the Unite the Right rally was a former Barack Obama supporter and a participant in Occupy Wallstreet. It is a documented fact that Occupy Wallstreet was infiltrated by the feds, just as a bunch of other groups, from racist or nationalist groups, to militias, to peace groups, etc…, have been infiltrated by the feds.
Did this guy just do some ideology hopping, or is there more to this? I don’t know, but it is certainly a reasonable thing to question.
Report: White Supremacist Leader in Charlottesville Jason Kessler Was Obama Supporter – Occupy Protester
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/08/report-white-supremacist-unite-right-leader-jason-kessler-obama-occupy-supporter/
From the article: “White supremacist and ‘Unite the Right’ leader, Jason Kessler, was once reportedly a supporter a former President Obama and the Occupy movement.
According to the Southern Poverty Law Center (an organization that is certainly no friend to Conservatives), Kessler revealed his political transformation around November 2016, the same month then candidate Donald Trump won the presidential election.”
Sure, they were given a stand down order. Lots of police are nazi sympathizers including many of the top brass. Maybe that’s why they treated the violent nazi demonstrators with kid gloves and allowed them to escalate all the way to murder in a heavily policed environment. You certainly don’t see them treating, for example, anti-police violence/abuse/corruption marches in that same way at all.
ACLU Confirms Charlottesville Police Were Given a Stand Down Order
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayxa_6upSbE
Police Say They Were Ordered To Stand Down, Charlottesville Mayor Criminally Responsible For Deaths
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqVKbM-VXMQ
This was staged chaos.
Confirmed: Police Told to Stand Down in Charlottesville—Did Nothing as Chaos Broke Out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt4McidczTE
Invictus and the rest of the Altreich constantly fantasize about murdering their political opponents and starting wars. Then one of them actually commits a politically motivated murder and injures dozens of people for political motives and it has to be a false flag? Sad indeed.
Looks like a bunch of ignorant jackasses making excuses for murderous nazis and fascists. Oh, and look, they have a token black guy so they must be objective! LOL.
Leave it to Andy to side with the xenophobes. It’s like clockwork. Let me guess . . . it was a false flag too, right? #sad!
This is one of the best videos I’ve seen on Charlottesville so far. This is from a group of constitutionalist type people who showed up at the event who supported both sides right to free speech. They said that most of the violence was initiated by the leftists. Note that this group had at least one black guy in their mix (who was among those who got pepper sprayed by the leftists), and they were not there to promote racism.
These seem like good folks. Check out what they have to say (don’t comment unless you watch the entire video, thanks).
Charlottesville: The truth. Most important video you will watch!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLA4lEtmH2A
Bondurant
I do not know what statement you are citing from Gov. McAuliffe, but the statement he gave on Saturday after the disaster by Trump mentioned nothing about the 2nd Amendment or the ACLU.
I hate posting “should be” corrections, but obviously I means that you can NOT convince a neo-Nazi with logic and reason.
Other than equating Dr. West with an ultra scum bag like Richard Spencer, I am more than fine with this statement.
However, you can convince a neo-Nazi with logic and reason.
Gov. Terry McAuliffe needs to take a lesson from Sarwark. One can take a stand for the rights all should have and condemn violent acts. McAuliffe, on the other hand, is blaming the ACLU and the Second Amendment for the events in Charlottesville.
Moar Sarwark plz!