On Sunday, June 21st I will be interviewing Cindy Sheehan, the famous woman who became an anti-war leader and independent candidate for Congress after her son was killed in Iraq. If you have any questions you would like me to ask, just leave a comment.
The interview will not be on Independent Political Report Radio, it will be in person. Sheehan is coming to the Philadelphia area for a few days. Her schedule will be:
5. Sat. June 20, 11:30-2 PM – “WAR, PEACE AND YOUR MONEY: A Workshop for Change” featuring Cindy Sheehan, author, peace activist at Penn Wynne Presbyterian Church, 130 Haverford Road, Wynnewood. Sponsored by MainLine Peace Action, DelMont Progressive Democrats of America, Brandywine Peace Community, DelCo Wage Peace and Justice.
11:30 – HealthCare Rally (Haverford Rd. and City Line Ave), 12 noon – lunch at church. For info call Main Line Peace Action at 610 527 4170 or email tjdugdale @ verizon.net.
6b. Sun. June 21, 2-4 PM – An Afternoon with Cindy Sheehan at the Unitarian Universalist Congregation of Princeton, 50 Cherry Hill Road (just up the hill from the light at the intersection with Route 206). Go to http://www.peacecoalition.org for more info.6c. Sun, June 21, 6:30 PM – Cindy Sheehan’s Revitalizing the Peace Movement Tour at St. Luke’s United Church of Christ, 11080 Knights Road, Phila. For more info go to http://www.cfpabuxmont.org/
7a. Mon, June 22, 7:00 PM – Cindy Sheehan’s Revitalizing the Peace Movement Tour at the BuxMont Unitarian Universalist Fellowship, 2040 Street Road, Warrington in Bucks County. For more info go to http://www.cfpabuxmont.org/
8. Tues. June 23, 7 PM – An Evening with Cindy Sheehan at the Unitarian Universalist Church of the Lehigh Valley, 424 Center St. Bethlehem, Pa. Co-sponsored by Lehigh Valley Veterans For Peace and the Social Action Committee of the UUs. Admission is free, donations to Cindy’s peace work are appreciated. Direct questions to Louise Legun or Judy Woodruff at 610-437-5314.
Yeah. I’m trying to tape record it, then put it on my computer, then get it onto IPR. If that doesn’t work out, I’ll take some rough notes and type those up.
Jill: Cindy also promoted her campaign in a manner in which she was guaranteed to fail!
Will you post the interview on IPR?
I think if you had all candidate tell their views with a bag over their head and their voices disguised. Maybe we would have a chance people would actually listen to the candidate. This way, we would be eliminated colors, pretty faces, etc. Maybe if people would be force to actually just listen. HOW then would the votes be affected. This would be an interesting thought. Maybe people would actually hear socialism more clearly.
I have Cindy as a Facebook friend and I believe her to be sincere in her political activities. We should encourage those who are not entirely trained in the Dems’ and Reps’ talking points that she actually says some things right sometimes. Let’s all remember she tried to replace the treasonous Nancy Pelosi.
Ross,
“Jack is an asshole. You do not have to be polite.”
Robert is a raving asshole. He CAN’T be polite.
Thanks for spotting that opensecrets resource, but If you look at her campaign, there was no way she spent more than $300,000.00
For example, she raised $30K for last minute TV commercials that never ran. The rent on her campaign headquarters (a former porn shop on Mission street) could not possibly have been more that $2,500 per month.
Where did all the money go?
How convenient that her headquarters was broken into 5 days before the election. The ONLY thing missing was the laptop containing her campaign records, which had been left within arm’s reach of the windows.
Google “cindy sheehan computer stolen”
First result on the page.
i.e. political science is not physics.
Tom, Show me a once a mellineum genius and a cabal of well educated credible supporters and centuries of accumulated scientific information concerning said grabbable vote coalition contention. & I’m not even from Missouri!
Bob,
“Tom, According to this logic we must passively wait until such situation happens to find out?”
No. But if you want a particular situation, you should work to create it … not just pretend that the situation already exists when there’s no reason to believe it does.
“Did FDR wait on the Manhattan Project?”
Show me as much evidence for your contention that there’s a grabbable plurality presidential vote for a libertarian/progressive coalition ticket now as there was in 1942 for the theory that atomic energy could be explosively unleashed. If you can do that, then your point is sound. I’ve been asking you do that for several years now, and what I get in response is usually along the lines of:
“All we have to do is vote coordinate & we can have a New Age of consecutive progressive governments.”
… in other words, a repetition of the claim, with never a crumb of the evidence to support it that I’ve asked you for.
Tom, According to this logic we must passively wait until such situation happens to find out? Did FDR wait on the Manhattan Project? This is much more important than that. All we have to do is vote coordinate & we can have a New Age of consecutive progressive governments. Or we can continue to elect reactionary governments. Worth a try?
Ross, ok, glad you asked. 40%. How about if we start with the last 3 elections. I think it was Obama 51, McC. 49. Bush Kerry very close 50-50, bush gore 50-50. In 92 Ind. Perot got 19%. In 1012 Progressive Party Teddy Roosevelt got 27%. To be cont.
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Bob,
Yes, I was a Marine.
If you want to challenge someone to a shooting contest, I can teach you to shoot (my secondary MOS was as a shooting coach, and I was an honor graduate in my school on that at Quantico).
If you prefer bayonets or close combat (no rules, just try to tear their nuts off), I might be able to give you some tips.
Boxing, no. Never boxed, in the Marine Corps or out of it. I always thought of the whole Marine thing as being more about killing people than about dancing around a ring in shorts and gloves.
You write:
“Tom, well I can immediately refer to The Libertarian Vote which describes the maximum vote polling (20%) at the beginning of the election cycle. Then it rapidly drops to the usual near zero as the reality of inevitible loss sets in.”
“The Libertarian Vote” is a title, so capitalization is used. It does not, however, purport to cover anything resembling “the Libertarian Party vote,” but rather “the libertarian vote,” i.e. the votes of people who conform in some way to one particular standard of what a libertarian might be (scoring x+ on an issues laundry list, as opposed to some ideological criterion).
To put it a different way, there never has been, nor does the study claim there ever has been, a situation in which 20% of the electorate had some intention or desire to vote for the Libertarian Party’s presidential nominee, an intention which then tailed off due to “wasted vote” concerns.
The LP has never TAPPED that “libertarian vote,” either prospectively or at the ballot box.
I’ve yet to see any evidence that that 20% “libertarian vote” would magically become accessible to a “combined slate” with an unknown, poorly-funded, non-libertarian candidate on top of the ticket and an unknown, poorly-funded libertarian candidate in the veep slot.
I’ve asked you many times for such evidence. Fortunately, I haven’t held my breath waiting for it.
“Michael H. Wilson // Jun 13, 2009 at 8:18 am
@ # 2 Joey writes: “She’s an overrated hyped-up media attention whore. I agree with her views on the right-vs-left stuff, but she’s ultimately just a media created overhyped blah.”
So how do you determine that she is an “overrated hyped-up media attention whore”? Can’t we say that about any number of people?”
Time after time, self sabotage to the max. Kinda like Bob Barr 2008 not showing up for the media event……
For president, that is.
Robert, I’m still not sure how the third party vote adds up to 40%, when they barely got over 1% in the last election.
Before I forget, for all you dinosaur lovers. Ron Paul’s name came up the other day on MSNBC coverage of Von Brunn shooting at the Holocaust Museum. I forget the exact connection. I think it had something to do with a publisher or publication they had in common.
Tom, I’m not a boxer either. So? You were a Marine, weren’t you?
Ross, Jack is an asshole. You do not have to be polite.
Tom, well I can immediately refer to The Libertarian Vote which describes the maximum vote polling (20%) at the beginning of the election cycle. Then it rapidly drops to the usual near zero as the reality of inevitible loss sets in. Wasted vote phenomenon. Most of those votes wind up going to the republican/reactionary.
Bob,
You frequently make claims about probability … but those claims never come with persuasive supporting evidence to support your vision of a synergistic effect which magically vaults two low-single-digit-percentage parties to plurality percentages when they “coordinate candidacies” into one ticket.
Sorry, I’m neither a boxer nor a boxing coach.
Jack – on opensecrets.org it says that she only has about $5,000 on hand. What website were you talking about?
Progressives out of power begging reactionaries in power. What’s wrong with this picture?
Cindy begging Bush. What’s wrong with this picture?
Jack, go crawl back under the rock. I for one don’t care. Any way you look at it, it wasn’t enough.
Gravel has always been impressive. But when he gets angry, he scares some voters away.
I have a question for Cindy; where did all the money left over from her election run against Pelosi go? It seems to me there was about $300,000 missing.
I did a google search on “cindy sheehan money” and the site I found left me wondering about the answer.
Ross Levin, when one applies the usual factors, right, just about anyone would have done about as well as Barr. But that is precisely the difference that a fusion ticket should make. Gradually as more left progressives say Gravel is a viable alternative to the democrat & libs say, ok, I’ll vote for Mary even though she is second to Gravel, the combined vote begins to stand out in polling & continues to gain. Same should have applied to Nader if he had selected a f.lib vp instead of Gonzales, who only appeals to the same voting bloc as Nader. & this is why liberal-not progressive- Obama could get away with selecting fellow liberal Biden vp. Obama ALREADY had his needed blocs: liberals & progressives & blacks to win the nomination. Once having won the nomination, the rest of the dems, Reagan/Clinton democrats, who would never vote initially for a black candidate, were stuck with him & voted for him out of party loyalty. & Biden was part of the package. & Biden is the insurance for the liberals. If anything goes awry with Obama, they still have a liberal President. & going back further, that is the reason for the whole Kerry/Kennedy/Massachusetts/ Obama/Deval Patrick program: to get a liberal into the White House after JFK.
He was, is, unique. That’s for sure.
I liked Gravel alot. what a temper he has though:)
Plus, it always seemed like Gravel had other things to do than campaign. It never appeared like he ever wanted too.
Robert, I’m saying this as a Gravel supporter – he probably wouldn’t have gotten any more of the vote than Bob Barr. I think he’s a great man, but he’s a lousy campaigner.
Good luck prying any of the black vote from Obama.
Gravel, by running for the LP nomination almost did a very revolutionary thing. But I don’t think he understood that. I think he tried to glom onto the Ron Paul doomed movement. Had he won the nomination & Mary selected vp, a possibly winning fusion ticket would have been created (mostly by accident). But it probably would not have gotten far unless it was pursued as a fusion ticket. Gravel would have had to deliberately have sought to take the liberal/left progressive vote from Obama & McKinney & Nader.
The highest probability winning combination is: left progressive (including anarchist) male p., left libertarian (including anarchist) female vp. Yes, an all anarchist ticket could very well win the presidency. This is why I supported a possible Gravel/Ruwart ticket. But they didn’t seem to click (i.e. get it) so it never happened.
TR was quite the boxer. It never did much for me.
Tom, I am considering challenging the President to a supervised boxing match. Marine, do you think you could coach me?
Tom, agreed, but different rationale than yours. Mary would not bolt because she is basically not a genuinely revolutionary leader. Second, same as first. Third, agreed, because BTP members have not integrated what they actually are doing. They think they are playing on a level fair field & they are not. The deck is stacked. Reminds me of when the FBI dragged me into Court. I thought, well, justice will prevail. WRONG! I now can see how the deck was stacked & they knew the outcome before they even made the arrest. This is why they won’t arrest me again. I have learned THAT venue as I have learned the election venue & can beat them at that now too. Fourth, sure they could have her without me. But that would defeat the winning combination. Fifth, ah, yes, the volunteers & donors. Sure, as long as naysayers like you discourage them, they will balk, But as soon as they realize I’m right, they will do what is needed.
Bob,
The questions are all wrapped up in each other.
First, it’s highly unlikely that Dr. Ruwart would have bolted the LP to run herself.
Secondly, it’s highly unlikely that had she done so, she would have consented to appear on a ticket with you, let alone in second place.
Thirdly, it’s highly unlikely that the BTP’s members would have endorsed a ticket with you on the top of it regardless of whom you might have in tow as a prospective running mate.
Fourthly, if it was a nomination, as opposed to an endorsement, then the BTP would in any case nominate its presidential and vice-presidential candidates separately, meaning that they would be able to have her without you.
Fifthly, if the BTP had endorsed or nominated a Milnes-[any running mate] ticket, it’s highly unlikely that the volunteers and donors would have stepped forward or written the checks to put that ticket even on the three ballots it did appear on, let alone more than that.
Tom, which is highly unlikely-both? Mary bolting. Agreed. Mary is a loser. But if she had & joined me, do you really think BTP would’ve gone a separate route from her?
“Mary could’ve bolted the LP executive ticket & joined me independent. BTP would’ve endorsed us instead of conducting that fool online election between Jay & I.”
Highly unlikely.
I’ve asked KK, AK & ENM. &SH &BW. I don’t think I asked CS, but I am getting desperate enough to! But I’m fairly certain she would say no, being the Ivory Snow purist. Speaking of which MC is recently deceased so that possibility is gone. Long ago I asked JJ & NLJ. Are there any others possible? Come forward. Draft her!
With Mary vp, btp would’ve supported us & we could have gotten on a LOT of ballots-even at that late date.
I’m STILL looking for a F, Lib. vp to complement the Progressive Libertarian Alliance Independent ticket for 2012. 100 wasted years could end then. Anybody want to WIN for a change?
Mary could’ve bolted the LP executive ticket & joined me independent. BTP would’ve endorsed us instead of conducting that fool online election between Jay & I. Of course Jay won that. Then the Alliance mixes & matches the ballots. If there is only one Green or libertarian on the ballot, academic. Vote for that one. Also if no green or libertarian is on a ballot, academic- forfeit to the reactionary dem or rep. Difficult if a Green AND a lib on a ballot. However first come-on the ballot-first served, seems best. But no. Mary is a loser. Choosing party loyalty over rejecting a clearly bad choice- Barr/Root. So, the Alliance lost, Lp & GP & BTP lost. Independent Nader lost and so on. The Good Losers lose again. History repeats. The blip in 1912 was a glitch-a fluke. TR almost put it together but almost doesn’t count. Losers don’t learn from history.
sweet & sour mary.
@ # 2 Joey writes: “She’s an overrated hyped-up media attention whore. I agree with her views on the right-vs-left stuff, but she’s ultimately just a media created overhyped blah.”
So how do you determine that she is an “overrated hyped-up media attention whore”? Can’t we say that about any number of people?
ross levin, i’m actually much closer to downtown philly than princeton. but it is academic; i’m too messed up to go anywhere. i have to retract the invitation to feel free to come visit my house. byob meant don’t expect lavish hospitality here. ///the know it alls have elected -pun intended- to support dinosaur fossil rp/rp & bann bob barr & W.A.R. & not me. & Sweet Mary has banned my emails. I think it is possible to have tried & maybe even won after the 2008 LP convention with a Milnes/Ruwart fusion independent ticket. -I had previously endorsed a Gravel/Ruwart fusion ticket. To me it was obvious that Gravel was a left progressive democrat. We saw how quickly btp got on several ballots after the lp convention. So, lose, Good Losers. You are so good at it. Practice makes perfect.
mdh, paulie, my mistake. i did not realize ross levin is a teenager. the link goes to ni4d. so, taking your word for it, i’ll retract that invitation. the idea was to be open to activists/journalists coming to my home in addition to me going to activities which i seem to be so bad at, being so broke & depressed. since you know it all bloggers are so good at gotcha, i’ll be more careful. too bad when i write about how to win an election you don’t say gotcha. takes a lowly trailer trash theorist to win. whoda thunk. so resume your predictable losing. you got me.
Now Milnes is inviting teenaged boys to bring their own beer to his trailer park? Creeper.
bring your own trailer chrome hitch (b.y.o.t.c.h.)
Now Milnes is inviting teenaged boys to bring their own beer to his trailer park? Creeper.
Robert, she’s going to Princeton, too. You could probably go there.
My phone is wireless voip. So if my computer is acting up, my phone is worthless. PS. Speed limit is 5 mph fyi.
Ross Levin, logically, you live near Philly? Stop by my trailer sometime. If my 2 old Econoline vans are there, I’m probably home. If I don’t answer, I’m probably in the back room & didn’t hear the knock. So go around back & knock on the wall. byob.
Ross Levin, Would you be so kind as to ask Cindy if she would like to win? She can do that by declaring support for The Progressive Libertarian Alliance Strategy. & mention that I live near Philly. If she comes to my trailer park & knocks on my door, I will answer it even if I am forewarned it is her.
Rich: via personal experience on the Left Coast, I can agree with so much that you had to say. [Don’t hold back, tell us how you really feel!] How ever, in California [Hey Ralph Nader 2004, Hey Cindy Sheehan 2008] at least the Greens are ballot accessed!
The State of Misery, the same folks that consider Libs, Constitution Party, and other right wing groups are kinda sorta terrorists.
Having grown up in this duopoly strangle hold, I can tell you that pretty much all non Dems and non GOP types are targeted for neglect or abuse……..
anti-Bush letter settles lawsuit
* COLUMBIA, A man who claims he lost his job with a vendor for the Missouri Department of Corrections because of an anti-Bush letter has settled his federal lawsuit with the state for $150,000.
The Columbia Daily Tribune reported on its Web site Friday that Tim Kniest said the settlement equals three years of back pay.
Department of Corrections spokeswoman Jacqueline Lapine referred questions to Attorney General Chris Koster’s office.
Nanci Gonder, a spokeswoman for Koster, declined to comment.
Kniest, a retired Department of Corrections spokesman, began work in November 2005 with G4S Justice Services Inc., a company that had a contract with the state to administer electronic monitoring devices for people on probation or parole.
The suit said G4S hired Kniest because of his Missouri experience and to work specifically on the state contract. A provision in the contract allowed the department to choose which G4S employees could work on the project.
In early December 2005, newspapers in Jefferson City and St. Louis published a letter from Kniest in which he said President Bush should be impeached because his decision to monitor Americans’ phone calls violated the U.S. Constitution and criminal law.
The suit claims Kniest received nothing but favorable evaluations before the letter was published.
But it says that a day after the letter was published, then-Corrections Director Larry Crawford called the company’s vice president regarding a “personnel matter” in Missouri. Kniest said he then received a voice mail message from the G4S vice president saying that he “had angered” Crawford, a former Republican state representative.
On March 14, 2006, Thompson sent G4S a letter asking that Kniest be removed from the Missouri contract, providing no explanation. The decision essentially cost Kniest his job because the company had no other positions.
Crawford declined to comment when the AP reached him on his cell phone Friday night.
Judge Scott Wright ruled earlier this year that although there was no question Kniest was fired for writing the letter, the law was unclear on whether the state was liable because the vendor did the firing. A federal appeals court was reviewing the issue when the settlement was reached last month.
Kniest said the settlement shows, “I should not have been required to leave in the first place.”
“I think it demonstrates that when you make decisions based on politics rather than the policy of a state agency, it generally does more harm than good,” Kniest said.
Posted on Fri, Jun. 12, 2009 06:11 PM
As honest as her pain came about, and as tortuous as her path may have been, could you please ask Cindy Poo if she has an going fear of success and self sabotage mentality. As true and faithful as her mission has been, she seems to be able to mess up a two car parade!
Citizens For A Better Veterans Home [and 99% of candidates LOVE a veterans endorsement] a 2008 UNLISTED endorser.
She has met the enemy, and the foe is she!
I love seeing people identify themselves as being with the “Green Party”. What a joke. The whole party. Couldn’t find its own asshole with 2 hands and a flashlight. Wake up, people. The party’s irrelevant and always has been. Get with the real struggle and stop fooling yourselves. You’re all nice people – why are you so deluded?
Cindy we hope to see you at the national Green Party meeting in Durham, North Carolina in late July…
Will you attend?
There are many of us in the Green Party who invite and urge Cindy to run for office as a Green.
Cindy would make a great Green Party Chairwoman in California for example.
Would she please accept the warm, and kind invitation?
Also, we Green Party members encourage Cindy to run for office every year, whether for local, state, or federal office.
She will grow her political skills, draw people to her, and recruit still more candidates.
Will she please consider these respectfull suggestions?
Thank you, Cindy.
Cindy Sheehan is pretty cool, in my view. She’s been a true anti-war activist even after the so-called left gave it up when it became Obama’s wars. Not a lot of those around!
She’s also fairly bright and a real firebrand, based on what I see in her facebook postings.
Does she have any plans to run for President, ever?
Why did she choose to run as an Independent in her run for Congress, which required thousands of dollars in petition gathering, rather than as a member of the Greens or Peace and Freedom Party–both of which were already ballot qualified?
Ross
Already have. In fact I have Cindy’s personal e mail account. I just want to remind her of coming out to Minnesota.
We are working, planning and organizing out here.
As an aside, IRV just passed it’s last legal challenge in Minneapolis. It will happen for this election.
It is also on the ballot in St Paul.
Michael, you could just try to contact her yourself about that. Just go to the contact information on her soapbox website.
Joey
Why that sounds just like the Democratic Party apologists in the so called peace movement have been saying about her.
Yes, i have a question.
When is Cindy coming back to Minnesota.
We want to talk to her, soon.
Serious question.
While waiting outside Bush’s ranch in Texas, did you ever think you would actually have a chance to converse with him?
-JAK
Famous? She’s an overrated hyped-up media attention whore. I agree with her views on the right-vs-left stuff, but she’s ultimately just a media created overhyped blah.
Pics of her in Dallas, along with another local:
http://www.elliscountyobserver.com/?p=7386
Maybe you already know and don’t need to ask her, but I wonder if she still lives in San Francisco and if she intends to continue living in San Francisco through 2010.