Constitution Party Presidential Vote Totals: 2012 vs. 2016

Here is a link comparing the vote totals for Darrell Castle this cycle vs. Virgil Goode in 2012. Some write-ins votes are yet to be reported, but so far Castle has 194,685 compared to 122,207 for Goode in 2012. The link is from a letter from Constitution Party Chairman Frank Fluckiger which I will post separately.

18 thoughts on “Constitution Party Presidential Vote Totals: 2012 vs. 2016

  1. RedPhillips Post author

    Castle improved on Goode’s vote total significantly. The question could be whether Castle underperformed given the unique circumstances of this election. My hunch is that Castle did about as well as he could have. The “unique circumstances” of this election potentially cut both for and against the CP with their potential audience. I am currently writing up an assessment of how the CP did, which I’ll have someone post when I’m done.

  2. Andy

    Darrell Castle did pretty well considering that he ran such a low budget campaign and even though he only qualified for the ballot in 24 states. He did much better than Rocky de la Fuente who was on almost as many ballots, and who spent a hell of a lot more money on the race.

    Just imagine how many more votes Castle would have gotten had he been on more ballots.

  3. RedPhillips Post author

    Rocky did much better than recent Reform Party nominees. What I wonder is how he did compared to the expectations that the RP Committee had for him and that he set for himself since some of us here had an interest in the outcome of their nomination contest.

  4. Bob Haran

    Just imagine how well the Constitution Party would have done if the media would have given them some coverage and let the people know there was a conservative alternative to Trump. The media elected Trump by keeping him before the public every single day.

  5. Andy

    “Bob Haran
    November 30, 2016 at 12:23
    Just imagine how well the Constitution Party would have done if the media would have given them some coverage and let the people know there was a conservative alternative to Trump. The media elected Trump by keeping him before the public every single day.”

    This is true, however, keep in mind that minor party and independent candidates are never likely to get a fair shake in the mainstream media.

    It would be more productive to keep the “imagining” to things that you have a greater control over, such as obtaining ballot access in more states, and doing whatever else you can to get your message out with the knowledge that you won’t be given a fair shot by the mainstream media.

    Imagine what Castle could have done had he been on the ballot in all 50 states plus DC, or imagine if he had gotten on as many ballot as Jill Stein, who was on the ballot in 44 states plus DC. Imagine what Castle could have done if he had a campaign budget as large as say Jill Stein’s, or Gary Johnson’s.

    Even with the resources that Castle and the Constitution Party had, they could have easily gotten on the ballot in a few more states. There is really no legitimate excuse for having failed to get on the ballot in Castle’s home state of Tennessee, as an independent presidential candidate only needs 275 valid petition signatures to get on the ballot in that state. Castle also could have easily gotten on the ballot in Rhode Island and Nebraska, The Constitution Party wasted about $25,000 on a last minute attempt to get Castle on the ballot in Ohio, and I thought that was a suicide mission, and I turned out to be right, as they did not make it. They attempted another last minute petition drive in Virginia, but fortunately they realized they were not going to make it and they pulled the plug on it before they wasted too much money on it.

    The lessons that the Constitution Party should learn from this is to a) get started earlier, and b) make better use of the resources that they have available.

  6. Richard Winger

    Also the Constitution Party could be back on in Delaware if it could get 653 registered members. It has about half that. It is difficult to increase party registration in Delaware during most months of an election year, because the state won’t let voters switch parties for several months before a primary, and Delaware has two primaries in presidential years, a presidential primary followed a few months later by a primary for other office.

    So the obvious solution is to get the needed registrations in an odd year. The party ought to be working on that right now.

  7. Thane Eichenauer

    Bob Haran> Just imagine how well the Constitution Party would have done if the…

    Me> Just imagine how well the Constitution Party would have done if the voters ignored “the media”.

    “10 Reasons Not To Go See the New Star Wars Movie” by Miles McInnes via Rebel.Media
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  8. Cody Quirk

    Numbers-wise, Castle did very well and could possibly surpass Baldwin’s 2008 vote total, or he might already have done so.

    Percentage-wise however, Castle did worse then most CP presidential candidates in previous elections, and it looks like the CP retained ballot access in only 11 or 12 states after November 8.

    I say possibly 11 because in Wisconsin (which Fluckiger is counting), they had to have reached or surpassed 1% of the vote for any partisan race, and Castle only got 0.41%
    …Unless ‘KA-POW!’ ran a candidate for another partisan office that got over 1%?

  9. James McLaughlin

    Cody Quirk: “Numbers-wise, Castle did very well and could possibly surpass Baldwin’s 2008 vote total, or he might already have done so.

    Percentage-wise however, Castle did worse then most CP presidential candidates in previous elections……….”

    If we include the vote for Scott Copeland as part of Castle’s total, then at the present Castle is ahead of Baldwin by 10 votes. Castle also actually has done better than every CP nominee except Baldwin and Howard Phillips in ’96, so potentially the Party’s most successful campaign in terms of votes, and third best in terms of vote share. I do agree though that this did not translate into ballot access.

  10. Andy

    Lack of ballot access is the main reason Castle did not do much better.

    Castle spent far less money than presidential candidate Rocky de la Fuente, yet de la Fuente received far less votes.

  11. Matt

    De La Fuente had practically zero media even by third party standards, and a party name that did not have any past history or communicate anything to any appreciable amount of voters. At least some people have heard of the Constitution Party due to its past campaigns or, if they haven’t, may have some idea of its general political leanings based on its name, as generally it is more the conservative elements in US politics that claim to be constitutionalist. How many people had any clue what “American Delta Party” was supposed to mean? I’ve read here that it means “change” but that’s not exactly obvious. It sounds more like two airlines than anything else. Or maybe a steamboat trip south from New Orleans through the swamps?

  12. Andy

    Rocky de la Fuente is wealthier than Darrell Castle, and he spent a lot more money on his presidential campaigns (primaries and general election) this year than the Constitution Party has ever spent on a presidential campaign, but Rocky has little to no political following, whereas Darrell Castle and the Constitution Party have at least a small political following.

    Money is important in politics. “Money is the lifeblood of politics” is an often repeated, and generally accurate phrase. However, money is not everything, and this is an example of that. Darrell Castle is a long time political activist, and I assume that he makes an above average living as an attorney, but he is nowhere near as wealthy as Rocky de la Fuente. This just goes to show how sometimes being an activist with a small following, and running under a party label which has at least some name recognition, can yield a more successful result than being a candidate with lots of money, but lacking in the other departments. Money is important, but it is not everything.

  13. Matt

    Spending money is important, yes. But spending it on ballot access doesn’t help his name brand. Did he spend anything at all on advertising? As far as I know…de la Fuente spent nothing on ads, and gave exceedingly few interviews to anyone of any kind. Getting ballot access may have meant something if the party name meant something to voters other than maybe “frequent flyer miles.” But really, you have to advertise and seek out coverage and interviews. De La Fuente could have easily had more coverage than he got if he had put any effort into it.

  14. Andy

    “Matt
    December 2, 2016 at 12:58
    Spending money is important, yes. But spending it on ballot access doesn’t help his name brand. ”

    Spending money on ballot access can help promote your brand/cause IF you hire people who are activists for your campaign/cause to work as petition circulators, and if you provide them with campaign literature to hand out, but since Rocky did not really have a political following prior to his run for office, and since he did not really build a political following, he did not really have any activists working in the field, whether paid or volunteer.

  15. RedPhillips Post author

    In states where there was no Reform Party ballot access, why did he chose to go with the American Delta Party banner instead of the Reform Party? Are there technical details I’m missing here, or was this just a personal choice?

    I admit I was invested in Darcy getting the nomination, so I’m not objective, but I don’t get what Rocky was up to.

    I would like to hear from some Reform Party people on what they think of his campaign overall.

  16. Andy

    “RedPhillips Post author
    December 6, 2016 at 11:18
    In states where there was no Reform Party ballot access, why did he chose to go with the American Delta Party banner instead of the Reform Party? Are there technical details I’m missing here, or was this just a personal choice?”

    Petition drives started BEFORE Rocky even decided to go for the Reform Party nomination. He had the option of putting a party name on the petition in some states, so he put the name of the party he started. Also, Rocky said that he preferred the American Delta Party because he controlled it, whereas with the Reform Party it is controlled by a committee that is outside of his control.

    Note that Rocky was on the ballot in some states as an independent.

  17. Andy Craig

    “I say possibly 11 because in Wisconsin (which Fluckiger is counting), they had to have reached or surpassed 1% of the vote for any partisan race, and Castle only got 0.41%”

    In Wisconsin, only the presidential race qualifies in presidential election years. However, the structure of how long it lasts is odd. If you qualify with 1%+ for any statewide state office (Gov, SecState, etc.) in a mid-term year, then ballot status last for four years, until the next mid-term. In a presidential year, if you qualify with 1%+ for President, it only lasts for two years, also until the next mid-term.

    The Libertarian, Green, and Constitution parties all had ballot status already from the 2014 elections, when they all put up at least one candidate for lower statewide executive offices who got 1%+. That ballot status runs 2014-2018. Stein & Johnson both hit the 1% for President this year; but it’s redundant. That only gets their parties 2018 which they already had. Castle did not hit the 1%; but likewise they already had ballot status through 2018 regardless.

    Wisconsin is not a pick-up on ballot access for any party this year. And neither the Constitution Party nor the Green Party had any candidates on the ballot in WI this year other than for President.

  18. NewFederalist

    Castle has now surpassed Baldwin’s 2008 vote totals. Given all the negatives (low fundraising, poor ballot access etc.) a very good showing overall. Best showing ever for a CP nominee.

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