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Another veteran petition circulator fired and ‘blackballed’ by Sean Haugh

Veteran petition circulator and Libertarian Party activist “Paulie Cannoli” — who also writes for IPR — has reportedly been fired by Sean Haugh and will be denied future work with the LP. This turn of events is based, at least in part, on Paulie’s comments in defense of Gary Fincher, another victim of the Haugh purge, here at IPR.

Andy J., yet another Haugh-blacklisted petitioner, reports that Paulie was fired by Haugh at Angela Keaton’s request. [NOTE: Paulie says “there is no evidence at this time that” that Ms. Keaton made such a request.]

Ms. Keaton has notified IPR that she can make no further comment on this situation as Mr. Fincher has stated his intent to sue her for the allegedly slanderous accusations she made against him in an e-mail to libertarian bloggers that was posted, with Keaton’s permission, here at IPR.

Paulie has confirmed that Ms. Keaton stated her intention to block him, Andy, and Fincher from future work with the LP.

48 Comments

  1. libertycrusader libertycrusader July 7, 2008

    “This strikes me as very petty on the face of it.

    I suspect Mr Haugh’s motivation is to prevent a scandal like that reported in NM years ago, but this seems over the top.”

    The scandal in NM was not caused by me. The so-called “controversy” centered around two issues: that my wife and I tricked voters into registering Libertarian, and that there was bad placement of SSNs in the optional space on the VR forms.

    The tricking allegations (the *larger* part of the controversy) were wholly false, thus removing me from any responsbility in the scandal.

    The SSN issue was true, but with extenuating circumstances, namely state chair Knight illegally tried to convert an “optional” field ont the forms into a “mandatory” field, in an attempt to screw me over on pay ($4-6 per registration) on the bona fide registrations I’d collected. I was thus forced to choose a bad option from a bad array of options, with no good option in the mix. I chose an option that ended up making thiings worse, and quickly admitted it and tried my best to fix it and cooperate with the national party to engage in damage control.

    That incident made me learn my lesson in choosing bad options from an array of bad options (that the default option should always be to evacuate a drive in such scenarios). All major principals involved (Richard Winger, Steve Dasbach and Bill Redpath) understand this lesson and agree that it’s behind us, so there is zero chance that this is about Haugh’s trying to prevent such a scandal, as this unique set of circumstances could never combine to repeat another manifestation.

    And, if I never tricked voters, how could Haugh fear that I would trick them “again”?

  2. libertycrusader libertycrusader July 7, 2008

    I’m one of the suckers that donates regularly to ballot petition projects.

    Can someone trustworthy (e.g. Richard Winger or George Phillies) post some “links to worthy LP ballot access projects one could donate to that don’t involve any of the following: Haugh, Fincher, Jacobs. I’m sure they’ve all done a lot of commendable work, but right now I’d rather donate to ballot access than to infighting.”

    I’d ask that you take me off that list. I’m not “infighting”; I’m setting the record straight about myself in an attempt to not “smear the messenger”.

  3. TheOriginalAndy TheOriginalAndy July 7, 2008

    George Donnelly // Jul 7, 2008 at 9:30 am

    This strikes me as very petty on the face of it.

    I suspect Mr Haugh’s motivation is to prevent a scandal like that reported in NM years ago, but this seems over the top.

    Obviously I don’t have all the information, but still.”

    How in the HELL is this preventing a scandal? The REAL scandals are Sean Haugh ordering petition signatures to be burned and Sean’s gross mismanagement.

    Also, the REAL scandal in New Mexico was not caused by petitioners, but rather by the New Mexico government not likely the fact that more people were registering Libertarian so they ran a smear campaign about it in the media.

    To say that Haugh’s actions are preventing scandals is ABSURD, Haugh’s actions ARE the scandals.

  4. George Donnelly George Donnelly July 7, 2008

    This strikes me as very petty on the face of it.

    I suspect Mr Haugh’s motivation is to prevent a scandal like that reported in NM years ago, but this seems over the top.

    Obviously I don’t have all the information, but still.

  5. TheOriginalAndy TheOriginalAndy July 7, 2008

    “G.E. // Jul 7, 2008 at 3:19 am

    Andy – Yes, I know I briefly met Gary and he seemed like a nice guy. No one has been able to come forward with evidence to suggest otherwise. I said ‘MAYBE’ in all caps because I think it is unlikely. However, Sean Haugh should be able to have some discretion over who he works with. Nobody is owed a job. But he also deserves to have his motives scrutinized when he’s being punitive without reason and then going above and beyond, trying to blacklist people, etc.”

    Sean Haugh is not really “working” with anybody. It is not like he is out their in the field gathering signatures with people. In fact, he has got little to no contact with most of the petitioners. In fact, Sean Haugh doesn’t even know who all of the petitioners are.

    As I have said on here before, the money that Sean Haugh has for ballot access is NOT his money, it is the DONORS’ money. Since I am a current dues pay member of the Libertarian Party part of my membership dues goes to pay his salary.

    Just because Sean Haugh is the Political Director – a paid EMPLOYEE of the party – it does not give him the right to make decisions which screw over party members (and these decisions don’t just screw over somebody like me, they screw over the entire party), and waste party money.

    Case in point: Paul is a Life Member of the Libertarian Party. Paul has been active in the Libertarian Party for 14 years. Paul has been a petitioner for 10 years. Paul was recently in Massachustetts and he worked on LP ballot access there, he could have gone on to the bordering state of Rhode Island to work on LP ballot access there (and note that if Paul, Carol McMahon, and Gary had all be given the chance to work Rhode Island the could have knocked it out in a few days, a week at most), but he was denied that so he travelled down to Alabama with the intent of working on LP ballot access there. Paul has done a lot of petitioning in Alabama and there aren’t that many people who’ve done as much petitioning in Alabama as Paul has. Paul is sitting in Alabama ready, willing, and able to work on LP ballot access, however, Sean is now saying that Paul is blackballed from petitioning for the LP based on some flimsy pretext. This is harmful to the LP because they’ve already got a proven, expierence, Libertarian petitioner in Alabama who is ready to work, but now he is prohibited from working for no legitimate reason, so the LP will have to spend more money to bring somebody else in to do work that he could have done (thus WASTING more donors’ money), and in all likelyhood the person whom they send in will not be as good of a petitioner and will not have as much expierence petitioning in Alabama.

    Shouldn’t a Political Director be more concerned about getting enough valid petition signatures to obtain ballot status than he is about playing personality games?

  6. G.E. G.E. Post author | July 7, 2008

    Andy – Yes, I know I briefly met Gary and he seemed like a nice guy. No one has been able to come forward with evidence to suggest otherwise. I said “MAYBE” in all caps because I think it is unlikely. However, Sean Haugh should be able to have some discretion over who he works with. Nobody is owed a job. But he also deserves to have his motives scrutinized when he’s being punitive without reason and then going above and beyond, trying to blacklist people, etc.

  7. TheOriginalAndy TheOriginalAndy July 7, 2008

    “paulie cannoli // Jul 6, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    Basically, because Sean does not like Gary and Andy, and because I have allegedly defended them. ”

    The funny thing is that Sean barely knows Gary and I. I spoke to Sean on the phone maybe around 10 times back in late 2000-early 2001. I had no contact with Sean Haugh again until 2008. Until the National Convention in Denver I had never even seen Sean Haugh.

    Gary met Sean Haugh back in 1996 while in North Carolina for like 2 1/2-3 weeks. He had not seen or spoken to Sean Haugh again until the National Convention in Denver (12 years later!).

    Gary and I had never done a damn thing to Sean Haugh. Gary and I also have a history of gathering large numbers of signatures with good validity, and both of us are also long time Libertarian Party activists.

    Don’t you actually have to know people before you have a reason to dislike them? Sean Haugh doesn’t even know us.

    My dislike of Sean Haugh stems from the fact that he instigated problems with us, not the other way around.

  8. TheOriginalAndy TheOriginalAndy July 7, 2008

    “G.E. // Jul 6, 2008 at 4:52 pm

    Let me clarify my position one more time:

    1. I consider Andy a friend. I do not know Gary. MAYBE Sean Haugh has good reason to not want to work with Andy and Gary. But he does NOT have a good reason to order petitions to demand that other vendors not hire them.”

    GE, you met Gary at the National Convention in Denver. I don’t know how long you spoke to him but you definitely met him. You also spoke to him on a phone a little bit during a conference call.

    There is absolutely no legitimate reason that Gary should be barred from working on any petition drive. Barring Gary from working on petition drives is actually HARMING ballot access efforts.

  9. TheOriginalAndy TheOriginalAndy July 7, 2008

    “hdf // Jul 7, 2008 at 12:34 am

    I’m one of the suckers that donates regularly to ballot petition projects.

    Can someone trustworthy (e.g. Richard Winger or George Phillies) post some links to worthy LP ballot access projects one could donate to that don’t involve any of the following: Haugh, Fincher, Jacobs. I’m sure they’ve all done a lot of commendable work, but right now I’d rather donate to ballot access than to infighting.”

    Haugh is the one who is responsible for the infighting. Defending oneself against attacks is not the same things as initiating infighting.

  10. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli July 7, 2008

    Thanks hdf. Email sent.

  11. hdf hdf July 7, 2008

    Richard-

    I’m already in COFOE w/ BAN but I’ll send a “booster” tomorrow.

    Paulie-

    Point me to a web site and/or e-mail an address+info to eeyn524@sbcglobal.net and I’ll give it serious consideration. Your posts here have been remarkably reasonable.

  12. Mike Theodore Mike Theodore July 7, 2008

    I hate cartoons. All of that author’s works were in a book at Barnes and Nobles. Including that one with the walrus and the clams.
    I just got paid today…so…maybe…

  13. richardwinger richardwinger July 7, 2008

    The Coalition for Free & Open Elections (COFOE) has been spending money on attorneys to attack the worst ballot access laws in court. With any luck, there will be lawsuits filed in July against the US House requirements for independents in North Carolina (never used in 107 years!), Georgia (not used since 1964), Alabama, and Illinois. If anyone wants to donate to COFOE, we will use that money on these lawsuits (except I hope the Georgia one will be done by the ACLU). Make out any check to COFOE and postally mail it to Ballot Access News, Bx 470296, San Francisco Ca 94147. If the check is for as much as $25 you get a free sub to the printed Ballot Access News.

  14. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli July 7, 2008

    It’s also available as a movie as well.

  15. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli July 7, 2008

    Read the book, then.

  16. Mike Theodore Mike Theodore July 7, 2008

    Damnit, it isn’t.

    *shaking rapidly in chair*
    *pets dog harder than normally*
    *accidentally swallows cherry pit*

    GAAA! What torture is this?!

  17. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli July 7, 2008

    It is a shame, because I have an inkling to read the comment…

    It gives away the end of the book. If that is acceptable, go ahead and read the comment.

  18. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli July 7, 2008

    hdf

    If you would like to send money directly to me, I promise to continue circulating LP petitions (as long as they do not get burned) at least as long as the money keeps flowing. Although I have gotten the LP thousands of volunteer signatures as well, most recently about a thousand in Arkansas last year, I’m not feeling quite as generous right now.
    But I’ll do it for cash. I won’t charge any fund raising or other transaction fees, either; 100% of everything you donate will go directly to getting signatures.

    It will have the added benefit of keeping me off the computer and away from any temptation to engage in infighting.

  19. hdf hdf July 7, 2008

    GE, Jeff:

    Thanks.

    GE:

    I was hoping for maybe some efforts run directly by state parties.

  20. Mike Theodore Mike Theodore July 7, 2008

    No I have not.
    It is a shame, because I have an inkling to read the comment…

    *muffled murmur*

  21. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli July 7, 2008

    Mike, have you read Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland? If not, please skip this comment.

    Chapter 8: The Queen’s Croquet Ground

    Now in the beautiful garden, she comes upon 3 cards painting the roses on a rose tree red, for they accidentally planted a white-rose tree which the Queen of Hearts hates. A procession of more cards, kings and queens and even the White Rabbit comes into the garden. She meets the violent Queen of Hearts and the less violent King of Hearts. The Queen tells the executioner to chop off the three card gardeners’ heads.

    A game of croquet begins, with flamingos as the mallets and hedgehogs as the balls. The Queen condemns more people to death, and Alice once again meets the Cheshire Cat, who asks her how the queen is. The Queen of Hearts then tries to find out how they can chop off the Cheshire Cat’s head, even though he is only a floating head. Alice asks her about the Duchess, so the Queen asks the executioner to get the Duchess out of prison.

    Chapter 12: Alice’s Evidence

    Alice eats part of the mushroom, causing her to grow and accidentally knocks over the jury box. The Queen of Hearts is about to sentence them to death, but Alice calls them all just a pack of cards, causing them to swirl around her and turn into dead leaves. Alice’s sister wakes her up, since it was all a dream. Alice tells her sister all about the strange dream she had just awoken from.

  22. G.E. G.E. Post author | July 7, 2008

    Yes, but George is not adverse to hiring Gary Fincher, which disqualifies him from HDF’s criteria.

  23. Mike Theodore Mike Theodore July 7, 2008

    Robert, it all just seems so senseless.
    I get the how and the who, but why?

  24. G.E. G.E. Post author | July 7, 2008

    HDF – My understanding is that all ballot access drives involve Haugh, as Political Director, and none involve Fincher and Jacobs, who have been blacklisted by Haugh. I don’t think you can find any LP ballot access drives in which none of the above are involved.

  25. hdf hdf July 7, 2008

    I’m one of the suckers that donates regularly to ballot petition projects.

    Can someone trustworthy (e.g. Richard Winger or George Phillies) post some links to worthy LP ballot access projects one could donate to that don’t involve any of the following: Haugh, Fincher, Jacobs. I’m sure they’ve all done a lot of commendable work, but right now I’d rather donate to ballot access than to infighting.

  26. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes July 6, 2008

    How can one understand what is going on and just don’t get it? At the same time & occupying the same space 3d coordinates I assume.

  27. Mike Theodore Mike Theodore July 6, 2008

    “I mean, I understand what is going on, I just don’t get it. It’s just all very childish and accomplishes nothing.”
    Comment 9

    Tis be my opinion

  28. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes July 6, 2008

    I did. I read The Age of Surveillance. Before that I wondered if it was me. After that I knew it was not. I expect to see worse at the Green convention.

  29. Mike Gillis Mike Gillis July 6, 2008

    Robert, please get help.

  30. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes July 6, 2008

    I asked AK to be my veep. She said no. & I did so realizing that would mean forget most of the Barr/conservative/CP/GOP/RP/RP/homophobe vote. So I’m a little interested in her role in this.

  31. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes July 6, 2008

    Hmmmm. Dirty tricks & chaos during campaigns & convention. Chaos during ballot access petitioning. Meanwhile Bob Barr knows nothing-really, there is no need for him to know. The CIA/gop/rove is LOL. & I am called crazy for saying so. & saying we COULD actually win. If maybe we were not under secret attack. & we learned from history. & read The Age of Surveillance. Which I did-while in federal prison. Oh well. Nobody listens to me.

  32. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli July 6, 2008

    Thanks Trent.

    I do not work exclusively for the LP.

    The CP is also paying petitioners in other states as well, and unless Sean prevails on Allison not to work with me, I will be working with the CP again very soon – as I was already doing in Massachusetts.

    I also plan to go to the Green Convention in Chicago. I’ll be covering it for this blog, and I’ll ask them if I can work with them on ballot access. I’ve also worked with them before; me and my friends did the whole drive in Arkansas for them twice.

  33. Trent Hill Trent Hill July 6, 2008

    paulie,

    I dont knowif you do work exclusively for the LP–but I’ll tell you what I told Andy.
    The CP is paying petitioners in WV and PA. Let me know if you’re interested.

  34. Nexus Nexus July 6, 2008

    Is it just me or is this whole thing utterly bizarre?

  35. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli July 6, 2008

    Sean Haugh should have been fired weeks ago, and every moment goes by that he’s not sent packing (actually, he works from home) is another moment that Bill Redpath disgraces himself and our party.

    I’m not going to be vindictive here. There are certainly things Sean has done, ranging from “firing” me and people I know to attacking some of our candidates and potential candidates, that I really don’t like.

    Before we make this all about firing Sean, I have to ask who they will hire instead. For all we know, the next person may be even worse. As a practical matter, I highly doubt they will fire Sean in the middle of petition drives, and, if they do, they will probably have Scott Kohlhaas manage all petition drives. I don’t see how that would be an improvement.

    Even if they bring in someone new entirely, can we know whether that person will be better or worse than Sean?

    That’s not a defense of Sean, either. It’s a practical consideration that we should keep in mind.

  36. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli July 6, 2008

    That in no way justifies him firing Paul for merely saying that Gary is not a woman-beater.

    As far as I can remember, I don’t think I said anything about that except:

    ———————————————–
    A) ANGELA: Fincher has a criminal history with regard to violence against woman. The statement shall stand alone.

    ME: What is this history? I’m not aware of it.

    B)

    ANGELA: 1.) Fincher has a criminal history with regard to violence against woman. The statement shall stand alone.

    ANDY) THIS IS A TOTLAL LIE! Gary does NOT have a history of violence against women.

    This LIE stems from a story told by an ex-friend of Gary’s named Roger. Back in 2004 Roger, Gary, and a woman by the name of Crystal did some petitioning together. Crystal had a volitiale personality and one day in the parking lot of a fast food restaurant in New England Crystal and Gary got into an arguement and the manager asked them to leave. This story later got twisted into being a violent altercation but this is not true. For evidence that this is not true, consider that no arrests were made and consider that Roger, Gary, and Crystal continued to work and travel together!

    If this was true, why would Roger and Crystal have continued to have worked and travelled with Gary? If this was true, why wasn’t Gary arrested?

    ME: I have no idea whether this was what Angela was referring to. However, let me add that Roger is far from being a reliable source.

    C)

    GARY) I shall now be including Angela Keaton in a slander/defamation of character suit! This is going over the line, Angela.”

    TOM) Please tell me what I have to say to be included in that suit as well. I do try to stay in good company whenever possible.

    ME) Well, you could say that Gary has a criminal history of violence against women, for example – unless he actually does, and he has challenged anyone and everyone to investigate for themselves.

    ————————————-

    me 2) In other words, no affirmative statements one way or the other. All affirmative statements were made by Andy on one side and Angela on the other.

    I :

    A) Asked for proof
    B) Pointed out that the story by Roger may or may not have been what Angela was alluding to, and that in my experience Roger is not a reliable source
    C) Asked Tom (and anyone else interested) if he would investigate and see whether there was anything to the allegation or not.

  37. G.E. G.E. Post author | July 6, 2008

    “If I ever need a petition drive here in Michigan, Paulie would be the first person I would call, hands down.”

    What? You mean you wouldn’t fly Scott Kolhaas in from Alaska?

  38. G.E. G.E. Post author | July 6, 2008

    Let me clarify my position one more time:

    1. I consider Andy a friend. I do not know Gary. MAYBE Sean Haugh has good reason to not want to work with Andy and Gary. But he does NOT have a good reason to order petitions to demand that other vendors not hire them.

    2. Let’s just say that Sean Haugh is right about Andy/Gary. That in no way justifies him firing Paul for merely saying that Gary is not a woman-beater. That this is a firable offense is disgraceful. Sean Haugh should have been fired weeks ago, and every moment goes by that he’s not sent packing (actually, he works from home) is another moment that Bill Redpath disgraces himself and our party.

  39. Jason_Gatties Jason_Gatties July 6, 2008

    I mean, I understand what is going on, I just don’t get it. It’s just all very childish and accomplishes nothing.

    At ome point I had a ton of respect for Sean and he helped me through a very tough time with my local party. But now, I’m just not sure I can trust him.

  40. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli July 6, 2008

    And thanks Jason!

  41. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli July 6, 2008

    Basically, because Sean does not like Gary and Andy, and because I have allegedly defended them.

    As far as I know, I have only told what is true, at the urging of others.

  42. Jason_Gatties Jason_Gatties July 6, 2008

    If I ever need a petition drive here in Michigan, Paulie would be the first person I would call, hands down.

    I really wish I understood why all this is happening. It’s all a bit depressing.

  43. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli July 6, 2008

    But, as I look at it again, I never said that you were the one alleging it. I used a generic “Let’s” – to whomever it may concern.

  44. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli July 6, 2008

    GE (comment 2)

    Correct – you did not say that.

    Let me amend; Andy is leaping to conclusions that may or may not be accurate.

  45. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli July 6, 2008

    And GE, don’t get me wrong – I appreciate you covering this.

    As in the other thread, I am striving to give as fair and honest an account as I possibly can.

    No matter what Angela said, there is no evidence at this time that the two are necessarily related. They may be – they may not be. I have no idea.

  46. G.E. G.E. Post author | July 6, 2008

    I’m not leaping to conclusions. I’m reporting what I’m told and attributing the source. Unfortunately, Angela cannot comment.

    Andy J., yet another Haugh-blacklisted petitioner, reports that Paulie was fired by Haugh at Angela Keaton’s request.

    Does not say that I said that or you said that.

  47. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli July 6, 2008

    I have no idea whether me being “fired” was at Angela’s request.

    It may have simply been from Sean reading the thread in question.

    Let’s not leap to conclusions.

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