Paul Gottfried on the Constitution Party

Paul Gottfried is Raffensperger Professor of Humanities at Elizabethtown College in Pennsylvania and a Guggenheim recipient. He is also an adjunct scholar of the Mises Institute. He recently wrote two articles at TakiMag, a leading online magazine that specializes in paleoconservative thought and politics. TakiMag is owned, run, and published by Taki Theodoracopulus, a famous journalist and socialite. In these articles, Gottfried urges his readers to join the Constitution Party, and then tries to defend the Constitution Party’s disinctly religious appeal.

37 thoughts on “Paul Gottfried on the Constitution Party

  1. Libertarian Joseph

    Want your new “Party of the Right,” huh, you piece of shit? Want to play with false left-right games? Keep at it, fucktard. Just don’t call yourself a libertarian, ’cause you’re not!

  2. Trent Hill Post author

    “He’s not a libertarian. He’s a confused paleocon”

    He never claimed to be a libertarian, he is a paleocon.

  3. Trent Hill Post author

    “Keep at it, fucktard. Just don’t call yourself a libertarian, ’cause you’re not!”

    You obviously dont know what the heck you are talking about Joseph–he has NEVER called himself a libertarian, although he was friends with Murray Rothbard. Rothbard would’ve never treated a smart man like Gottfried the way you attempt to.

  4. Trent Hill Post author

    I cant help but think Libertarian Joseph is just a confused and abrasive 16 year old that just needs a little help. I was once just as rude and abrasive on message boards–so Im inclined towards talking to him.

  5. RedPhillips

    Are you sure LJ isn’t spoofing? He seems to be consciously attempting to validate stereotypes.

    Gottfried is the major scholar of conservatism and the conservative movement.

  6. G.E.

    If he’s involved with Mises, then I’d assume he’s for laissez-faire. Not a good fit for the quasi-Communist CP.

  7. Trent Hill Post author

    Mostly paleoconservatism, but yes.

    For the record, it was RedPhillips deliberate, intelligent, and patient replies to the abrasive undercover_anarchist (GE) that led me to be a more gentle being on message boards and in face-to-face debate. Ironically, this would later lead me away from Paleoconservatism of the free market variety towards Misesian Libertarianism/Old Right Mencken/Nock style politics.

  8. Trent Hill Post author

    “If he’s involved with Mises, then I’d assume he’s for laissez-faire. Not a good fit for the quasi-Communist CP.”

    You would assume wrong. He is a protectionist.

  9. Trent Hill Post author

    “I’ve also never associated free trade, or what now passes for it, with the political Right. In the nineteenth century conservatives and generally liberals (outside of England, which was the industrial pacesetter) rejected free trade as harmful to national and communal interests. Although I myself lean in the direction of free trade everything being equal, I’ve never felt any moral obligation to defend that position. Indeed I may be the world’s most wishy-washy representative of the opinion in question ”

    Paul Gottfried on his free trade/protectionist opinions.

    Apparently he leans free trade,but not radically so.

  10. G.E.

    They accept protectionists at Mises?

    On another note, I got a trial subscription to the American Conservative magazine, and it is WAY better than any “libertarian” mag. I just have to skip the articles by Pukecannon.

  11. G.E.

    I’ve also never associated free trade, or what now passes for it, with the political Right.

    Well, he’s obviously correct here. The Right = the State; at least historically.

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  12. Trent Hill Post author

    Buchanan’s articles are good as long as he talks about War or History (Lincoln and the War of 1861-1865 excepted).

    AmConMag is really great though. Daniel Larrison, Thomas Woods, and Daniel McCarthy.

    When I have the money I want to subscribe to Liberty, Reason, AmConMag, and maybe The Economist.

  13. G.E.

    Liberty and Reason blow, especially the latter. AmCon is on a whole other level, journalistically. The AmCon people are anti-war and REALLY mean it.

  14. Trent Hill Post author

    “And yet you say I’m exagerating by using “Communist” to describe boobs like this?”

    Because you are. Pat Buchanan or Paul Gottfried could hardly be called communist, even by the most radical libertarian. Murray Rothbard worked with both, and liked Paul Gottfried until his death. Paul Gottfried is an adjunct scholar with the most radically pro-market institute in the US.

  15. G.E.

    He may not be “communist” in the capital-C, Marxist variety… But he’s here talking about how freedom negatively impacts “communal” interests. Buchanan is a fascist. He supports all of the bailouts. He supports centrally planned trade policy. That is “communistic.” Very few people, even those who call themselves Communists, fit the bill to a tee. You have to draw the line somewhere, and Buchanan is way over the threshold in my book.

  16. Trent Hill Post author

    “Liberty and Reason blow, especially the latter. AmCon is on a whole other level, journalistically. The AmCon people are anti-war and REALLY mean it.”

    For what reasons—beyond your obvious diatribe about Koch and company. Reason represents the Milton Friedman/F.A. Hayek tradition of working within the establishment and compromising slightly. I believe some of the have compromised too much, but some are great–like Doherty. Reason has done some pretty great things and appeals to a less radical constituency. My brother was convinced of libertarianism through my introducing him to Reason/Cato.

  17. G.E.

    Paul Gottfried is an adjunct scholar with the most radically pro-market institute in the US.

    They should kick him out. Gary North wants to stone homosexuals — whatever. His perverse religious views have nothing to do with the mission of the Institute. Opposition to free trade and stressing of “communal interests” does.

  18. Trent Hill Post author

    “You have to draw the line somewhere, and Buchanan is way over the threshold in my book.”

    Communists believe “the workers” should own the capital and means of production—which isnt anywhere close to what you accuse people of. Buchanan, Koch, Gottfried, even Romney—none of these men are communists, though some of them have more elements of communism than im comfortable with, or of fascism.

  19. Trent Hill Post author

    “They should kick him out. Gary North wants to stone homosexuals — whatever. His perverse religious views have nothing to do with the mission of the Institute. Opposition to free trade and stressing of “communal interests” does.”

    You’re right–you definetly know how to run the Mises Institute more efficiently than Lew Rockwell. You should send him an email with your incredible insights.
    He was good enough for Rothbard.

  20. Trent Hill Post author

    “On another note, I got a trial subscription to the American Conservative magazine, and it is WAY better than any “libertarian” mag.”

    There ought to be a Reason-like Magazine for the Austrian world. Since there isnt, AmConMag functions as the closest thing to it, with occasional editors like DiLorenzo, Woods, Rockwell, etc.

  21. G.E.

    I don’t want to run the Mises Institute, and the inclusion of one anti-freedom person as an adjunct will not make me stop supporting it. But yeah, I’ve lost a skoshe of enthusiasm for LvMI as a result of learning this. Rockwell should be responsive to his donors, and if there were many more people like Gottfried, I for one would stop donating. I’m a small fish, but I’m sure there are others like me.

    Rothbard went a little astray later in life, I think. See the infamous Ron Paul newsletters.

  22. Trent Hill Post author

    “I don’t want to run the Mises Institute, and the inclusion of one anti-freedom person as an adjunct will not make me stop supporting it. But yeah, I’ve lost a skoshe of enthusiasm for LvMI as a result of learning this.”

    Thats because you are a zealot–who is far too concerned about “impurities”. Gottfried is perfect on every issue BUT free trade–and even on that issue he is for free trade, but we dont know to what extent–and you want to throw him out? Ridiculous.
    And I doubt very seriously if there are any other donors who think “This guy who was a good friend of Rothbards and a longtime supporter of his, should be thrown out of the Mises Institute, because he is not committed enough on one of the issues.
    At some point GE, you’re going to throw everyone out of your circle. This isnt “radical” and it isnt “pure”–its “lunacy”. You should seek to be inclusive rather than exclusive. Bring people INTO the liberty movement rather than trying to heave-hoe them.

  23. Trent Hill Post author

    “Trent – The Austrians are too smart to throw good money after bad. Magazines are a dead industry.”

    That is most likely true–and considering how much traffic LRC gets…it probably isnt worth it.

  24. Trent Hill Post author

    Since we’re on the subject of LvMI, though, im considering going to the Mises Circle in Houston. I’ll begin donating a percentage of my income to LvMI starting after next semester–in addition to the money im spending in their online-store.

  25. Trent Hill Post author

    See GE, where you and I disagree is that you want to read non-Austrians out of the freedom movement. Im more than willing to embrace Steven Greenhut, Tibor Machan, Scott Flanders, David Weigel, Brian Doherty, David Friedman, Hayek, Thomas Sowell, Walter E. Williams, John Allison, etc.

    Im willing to accept Randroids, Brandenites, Friedmanites, Austrians of the Misesian or Rothbardian variety, Reasonistas, etc. I just want more freedom–however it can be got. We can all get on the train and ride towards freedom and when the Friedmanites get off at the 40th stop (out of 50)–we’ll bid them farewell and keep riding.

  26. G.E.

    You couldn’t be more wrong. I’m willing to accept the broad Ron Paul consensus and then some. I think LvMI should be “pure” (though not really; just pure enough to not accept anti-free trade “communitarians”) but I’m not against coalitions. I dislike the Reason types because they’re not for coalitions — except for coalitions WITH the state.

    I also think Milton Friedman was acceptable by the time he died, but there’s no doubt he did more damage to freedom than good during his life. It’s not even close.

    There is a difference between the standards I set for the laity and for the intellectual leadership. I want the intellectual leadership to be pure. I don’t want to excommunicate my neighbor for supporting road socialism, though.

    Sowell and Williams are both pro-war. There’s no room for that, period. And how is your boy John Allison any better than Alan Greenspan? Do you accept him in the “broad libertarian” movement? He thinks he’s a libertarian.

  27. Trent Hill Post author

    GE,

    I’ll accept Alan Greenspan’s help on the particular issues we agree on. The same goes for John Allison, Walter E. Williams (Who Ron Paul said he would consider for a cabinet level position), and Thomas Sowell (whom Walter Block cites frequently).

  28. Libertarian Joseph

    Paulie, what’s with all of the anti-semitic graphics? 😀 lol

    Anywho,this – “He is also an adjunct scholar of the Mises Institute” made me think that he was a self-identified libertarian. I didn’t know that mises had protectionist scholars. news to me

  29. RedPhillips

    Gottfried is an anti-liberal in much the same way that I am. He has been published at LRC and is an adjunct scholar because he is an enemy of the modern regime. He is an oponent of the modern state. Mises has other adjunct scholars who fit this bill, but who are not libertarians per se. Livingston and Fleming for example.

    Check out his bibliography at Amazon. He is the author of several of the most important critiques of modern conservatism.

    Thanks for the kind words Trent.

  30. Trent Hill Post author

    For the record, although I agree with GE that Magazine (and newspapers) are a dying breed—I think it’s a damned shame.

    Magazines and newspapers were a fairly good medium for libertarianism at various points in the past, and present.
    HL Mencken was a reporter for the newspapers the Baltimore Morning Herald, and The Baltimore Sun (where he spent 42 years writing).
    As for magazines, he co-founded American Mercury.

    Albert Jay Nock wrote for The Nation, The Freeman, and The Atlantic Monthly (all Magazines).

    Col. Robert McCormick was the editor and owner of the Chicago Tribune.

    Obviously Hazlitt was a journalist for The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, Newsweek, and The American Mercury, among other publications.

    Garet Garrett was a writer at the New York Sun, a financial columnist at The New York Times, Saturday Evening Post, and The Wall Street Journal, and was executive editor at the New York Tribune.

    Obviously, R.C. Hoiles was a hero of the Individualist movement and through his life built up a newspaper empire. After his death it would be named Freedom Communications and is now in control of 75 daily newspapers, 8 television stations, and Coast magazine. Scott Flanders is the current CEO and an ardent libertarian. The company even hired Tibor Machan as “Libertarian advisor” and their flagship newspaper, The Orange County Register, employs people like Steven Greenhut.

    Then there is Reason, obviously.

    And the host of libertarians who are columnists, editors, and freelancers at non-libertarian newspapers. Thomas Sowell, Walter E. Williams, Thomas J. Lucente, Vin Suprynowicz, John Teirney, and others.
    Really—newspapers and magazines have been decent to individualists over the past century.

  31. johnlowell

    Great site Taki’s if you can get past the Francoists and their fellow travellers like John Zmirak. In those precincts, Jesus Christ is seem as having operating through Falangist einsatzgruppen during the Spanish Civil War. I just never want to hear another complaint about the ideological Catholicism of some like Weigel from these reptiles. Weigel’s bad enough, perhaps, but these fascists are worse.

  32. Trent Hill Post author

    “Bah. They are state propganda organs and nothing more.”

    Nice detailed and logical reply to my statements GE–except that i’m right.

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