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The Modern Whig Party’s first elected official weighs in on his connections to the party

Last November, when the Modern Whig Party was claiming to have elected its first person, IPR wrote this:

The Modern Whig Party – which seeks to cater to disenchanted Democrats and Republicans – has announced that it has its first win under its belt only months after forming. It is unclear from the press releasewhether he ran for office under the Modern Whig banner or not, but according to a commenter he ran as a Democrat.

Recently, Ken Belcher, the man in question, posted a comment to that post:

I am and was the member of the Modern Whig Party to run as a Democrat for County Constable. You will not see a third party on an Alabama ballot. The power parties had made the qualification process so heavily rigged that it is a virtual impossibility to qualify in Alabama as a third party for ballot purposes. At the time that I ran for office, and as far as I know now, it was and is a Modern Whig policy to carry your Whig principles to the ballot box under any party appropriate.
A member in long and good standing of the Modern Whig party and one of it’s progenitors: The USAWhig party I qualified to run for Constable as a Democrat and won against a write-in candidate.
While most third parties are single-issue parties or small groups with a personal axe to grind, the Modern Whig Party takes pride in it’s moderate position of pragmatism and compassion, generally leaving the esoteric minutae of local politics to local politicians familiar with local values. People do want some substantive change, not radical change. That is why Perot received 19% of the popular vote even after withdrawing from his presidential campaign.

Hon. Kenneth C. Belcher; Constable, Beat 14, Lee County Alabama, Modern Whig

97 Comments

  1. Ken Belcher Ken Belcher August 26, 2009

    Before one can re-enter a campaign, one must first abandon it, and the votes that would be lost.
    This makes my statement factual and true.
    It is well known that Perot had the sole desire to defeat Bush by taking the republican’s traditional share of independents. Perot was successful. You must have overlooked the simple point that despite the efforts of the two giant corporate parties, the people will still vote their values. And does not in the least diminish the fact that 19% of the voters preferred to vote for a man with no possibility of victory.
    The Modern Whig Party may well harness that dissatisfaction with a candidate one day who truly plans to win.

  2. NewFederalist NewFederalist August 26, 2009

    I believe your “well known fact” regarding Perot is incorrect. Check the scholarly analysis of the 1992 (and “96) election and the vast majority come to the same conclusion. Clinton would have won anyway.

  3. Ken Belcher Ken Belcher August 26, 2009

    Clinton’s victory or defeat, wide or slim, exit polled or not, was not my statement. My statement was directed towards Perot’s motives.
    One could debate human motivations in the absense of telepathy forever. I stated my belief in why Perot’s idiosyncratic campaign was run as it was, your opinion may differ but has equal value. In theory, or course, IF Bush had received ALL of Perot’s 19% ( a near impossibility, but nonetheless mathematically possible ) Bush then would have won. It is NOT my belief that Perot alone caused the Bush Defeat. If you choose to quote me, please use MY words within the quotation marks, as a courtesy. I stated that my position on this matter was well known, and indeed it must be, for there are people always prepared to argue it. I never said that it was a “well known fact”. For suppositions may indeed be very well known but fall short of factuality. My only use of the term “Fact ” was in a statistical usage of the actual numbers from the popular vote.
    Thank you for your interest.

  4. Ken Belcher Ken Belcher August 26, 2009

    I see no reason to abandon the Modern Whig Party, if you were seeking some curiously formal renunciation of the Democratic party, I am sure that my formal signature including honorific and party affiliation, which you can plainly see above, should serve for your purposes. Both the County Republican Party and Democratic Party have treated me fairly. The office of Constable is obsolete and generally ceremonial, I expect to be among the last of the Alabama Constables. To discourage citizens from running for the very modest and unpaid office, the Republican party raised it’s filing fee to $1000.00 for 2008, well above the previous $50.00; The Democrat party Required a $25.00 filing fee for the same office. After I had qualified to run as a democrat, the republicans reduced their fee to $100.00, and approached me to reconsider.
    I had given my word to the Democrats that my name would be on their ticket and my word is good. Alabama local politics are often interesting and even byzantine and rarely reflect the core philosophies of either party at the national level.
    As I am still a Whig and have no plans to run for another office, except perhaps municipal
    ( which in Alabama have NO party affiliations ).
    The issue of my “Whigship ” should now at last have that final nail driven in and be at rest.

  5. Trent Hill Trent Hill August 26, 2009

    “Before one can re-enter a campaign, one must first abandon it, and the votes that would be lost.
    This makes my statement factual and true”

    In the strictest sense, what you said “That is why Perot received 19% of the popular vote even after withdrawing from his presidential campaign.” is not a LIE, but neither is it TRUE. It is deciet by ommission.

  6. Trent Hill Trent Hill August 26, 2009

    “The issue of my “Whigship ” should now at last have that final nail driven in and be at rest.”

    Not so long as the national party is claiming to have elected an official. You are not registered in their party, not serving in their party’s name, and did not stand on the ballot under that party’s banner. So while you might LIKE the Whigs, support them, and even consider yourself a member–their claims about electing someone are utterly unsubstantiated.

  7. Dave Schwab Dave Schwab August 26, 2009

    Don’t forget that Perot spent what, $500 million? If Nader had had anything like that kind of money in 2000, he would have won with an outright majority.

  8. Ken Belcher Ken Belcher August 26, 2009

    Trent:
    I have been their Southeastern Coordinator and a member for ages.

  9. Ken Belcher Ken Belcher August 26, 2009

    Wow, could some of you folks tell all those party swapping senator’s that it didnt count?

    In good faith a blogger asked a reasonable question. I did in good faith answer it. I answered with as much completeness and honesty as could be recalled. That I chose to mention my reasons for being a Whig has caused the endless attempts to alter my responses, but they remain.
    1992 was a long time ago, I cited an example of an unusually large number of voters choosing to vote “not the republican or democrat ticket” . The 19% that I stated is a fact. The POLLS of how much more it may have been had Perot not briefly and formally withdrew from the campaign were rather higher, but NOT as meaningful as real votes. So I used real vote numbers. It is odd what some people will choose to use for a tirade launching pad. I am certainly glad that I had not delved too deeply into the rise of western civilization that gave way to the America that we know today, lest we become mired in a debate over the Greeks vs the Persians.
    I explained, who I was, who I am, what the policy of the Modern Whig Party was at the time, my long term official affiliation with them and my reasons for choosing the Whigs. If you want to call me a Democrat, go for it. I have been called a lot of things in my life worse, still untrue, and lived to tell the tale.
    I am uninterested in Perot-ism yeah or nay, I only share the supposed common enthusiasm in this forum for opportunities for the public, the mainstream voters of my homeland, to be truly and fully represented by those they want, not those chosen for them.
    Now that the rational and courteous and necessary questions have been put to bed, I leave the flaming to those who seek it.

  10. Erik Geib Erik Geib August 26, 2009

    I hope other Modern Whigs aren’t as condescending as this guy. What a poor example of party leadership.

  11. Ken Belcher Ken Belcher August 26, 2009

    I suspect that you did not see all of condescending commentary towards me or the allusions that I was lying. You do see some of my responses. There were many deletions of the most obvious offenses. I can see how you would feel this way with only the part that you can now see.
    I , on the other hand, had to respond to all.

  12. Cody Quirk Cody Quirk August 26, 2009

    You know, you could’ve ran simply as a independent, instead of a Dem., in that race.

  13. Yossarian Yossarian August 26, 2009

    If a party wants to announce that one of it’s members was elected, then I see no harm. In fact, I see little value in maligning an elected official regardless of local office when that person always identified with a third party and continues to do so. The LP seems to tacitly claim GOP congressman Ron Paul as one of their own despite the fact that he is merely a former LP member. On a much smaller scale, the Whigs early in their development expressed pride in the election of one of their members and are now running candidates as Whigs.

  14. Richard Winger Richard Winger August 26, 2009

    Although Alabama does have horrible ballot access laws, a member of an unqualified party who wants to run for a partisan office in a small district or jurisdiction doesn’t have a tough time. He or she needs a petition of 3% of the last gubernatorial vote within that area, and that is equally true for an unqualified party, or an independent. I suspect the number of signatures to get the Whig Party on the ballot in that Constable district would have been fewer than 200 signatures. The petition is due in early June of the election year.

  15. Trent Hill Trent Hill August 26, 2009

    “Trent:
    I have been their Southeastern Coordinator and a member for ages.”

    That does not contribute anything meaningful to our debate, here. You are not a registered member of their party, were not elected under their banner, and do not now serve as a Whig member. Their press release trumpeting an elected member is a lie.

  16. Trent Hill Trent Hill August 26, 2009

    “You do see some of my responses. There were many deletions of the most obvious offenses. I can see how you would feel this way with only the part that you can now see.”

    Nothing has been deleted here. We do not delete or censor comments here at IPR. This is an outright lie.

  17. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes August 26, 2009

    No comment of mine to IPR was ever censored or deleted.

  18. mdh mdh August 26, 2009

    @16 – Ron Paul is a life member of the LP and has not renounced membership, therefore he still is.

  19. Ken Belcher Ken Belcher August 26, 2009

    Well boys, is it going to be charcoal flames or propane?

    Cody: One does not usually run for any office for the express purpose of losing. That precludes running as an Independent in this precinct. Alabama is THE land of the straight party democrat ticket. I did not campaign, I filed and waited for the results.

    Richard: There IS a reason why the popular libertarians, green party and constitution party were not on the ballot, your calculations were in error for how a PARTY can qualify.

    Trent: That’s quite a drumbeat that you have going there, but… In alabama a person running for Mayor or City Council cannot legally run as a party member, does that automatically end their relationship with their party of choice?
    Not a registered Whig.. Show me an Alabama form to register that suits YOU and I’ll be on it, I am registered with the Modern Whig Party. Were you around for the MCCarthy years when people were penalized for memberships real or imagined in a communist party? they did not register with their respective states. I am just not seeing your point, repeating it does not make it more sensible.

    The Modern Whig Party n e v e r stated that I was a Whig candidate and I never stated that I was a whig candidate, other’s made assumptions, and when I discovered that there was confusion on this matter I came here tonight to correct for the sake of truth and clarity.
    I am and have been a Whig party member, yeppers gee registered and if we had them cards I’d be a card carryin’ member. I was so Before , duriing and after the day of my election. I was also a member of the Alabama Association of Emergency Managers, that did not magically cease when I ran for office either.

  20. Donald R. Lake Donald R. Lake August 26, 2009

    “Ken Belcher [Modern Whigs]
    // Aug 26, 2009, at 8:02 pm:

    I suspect that you did not see all of condescending commentary towards me or the allusions that I was lying…….. There were many deletions of the most obvious offenses.”

    You and not me, since day one. And lot’s of folks literally hate me! Four ‘held’ opinions in Ballot Access News, all four eventually published. So what is your problem ????

    You expect folks lied to by the Democans and Republicrats on a regular basis to smile and nod as you ramble on and on in your empty headed press releases ?????? You are expecting a whole lot!

  21. Ken Belcher Ken Belcher August 26, 2009

    Trent and Robert: None of the following is visible to me on this screen, I saved it earlier to disk:

    Peter Orvetti // Aug 26, 2009 at 4:26 pm

    If I am not mistaken, the Constitution and Libertarian parties both appeared on the 2008 Alabama ballot under the party names.
    8 Ken Belcher // Aug 26, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    Are you indeed mistaken? I actually live here.

    http://www.aladems.org/custom/ballots/Tuscaloosa.pdf
    9 Trent Hill // Aug 26, 2009 at 6:06 pm

    Still could have run as an Independent.
    10 Peter Orvetti // Aug 26, 2009 at 6:08 pm

    I stand corrected, and apologize for the error.

    (at least peter had some common courtesy after his error, to which I was obliged to respond)

  22. Donald R. Lake Donald R. Lake August 26, 2009

    Mister Belcher: “Emergency Manager[s]” and partisan affiliation[s] apples and oranges!

  23. Ken Belcher Ken Belcher August 26, 2009

    This is not a debate. Some people incorrectly believed that I had run as a Whig, it would be dishonest to knowingly allow that error to stand. I came here and corrected it. I stated flatly that while a member of the Modern Whig Party I ran on the Democrat Ticket. To those who believe that that makes me a democrat or whatever, they may believe whatever suits them.
    It is a non-functional office, not the US Senate.

  24. Ken Belcher Ken Belcher August 26, 2009

    Donald: I agree, it was surely not my best argument, nor even close, but I have no idea what lies that you were rambling on about. The press release from the Modern Whig Party never makes any claim that I ran as a Whig candidate, and because of the peculiarities of the situation I came in this evening to Say very clearly all that is true, I ran as a Democrat, unashamed.

  25. Ken Belcher Ken Belcher August 26, 2009

    I tried, Donald, but the paste of my backups of the deleted text is being held for moderation.
    You may see the fraction of it I bothered to past…or not.

  26. Donald R. Lake Donald R. Lake August 26, 2009

    You know that Democrats and GOP are the two main forces that have guided our culture off into the ditch? You do know that Democrats and GOP lie on a regular basis, often just for practice! [I just wish that alternative groups were not so mimicking of the two main bad guys!]

  27. Ken Belcher Ken Belcher August 26, 2009

    Donald:
    That would be why I support the right of EVERY party to get a fair opportunity to be on every ballot, The Socialists, Libertarians, Constitution Party, the Green Party, Reform Party, they can ALL send me their petitions for ballot access and I will get the same signatures ( legally ) on them all, from people like US, who believe in real representation.

  28. Bryan Bryan August 26, 2009

    Robert Milnes …

    You and this guy oughtta get together…a Lib/Whig coalition. Some of your “features” are scary similar….It would save a ton on clip art for your websites. Think about it….

  29. Ken Belcher Ken Belcher August 26, 2009

    Thank (Insert Politically Correct Diety of Choice) that someone still has a sense of humor.
    Good show! Bryan

  30. Richard Winger Richard Winger August 26, 2009

    Dear Ken Belcher, your post #22 says my calculation is in error. I estimated the Whig Party would have needed 200 signatures or fewer in your Constable district. I admit I don’t know how many voters voted for Governor in 2006 in your Constable district, so I hope you will tell us all.

    As to people commenting about how Ken Belcher is registered, Alabama is a state in which the voter registration form doesn’t ask about party membership, so nobody in Alabama is a registered anything.

  31. Jason Gatties Jason Gatties August 26, 2009

    Sorry, but Trent comes off looking like an ass here. Leave the Whigs have their victory and stop acting like you’re 10.

  32. Ken Belcher Ken Belcher August 26, 2009

    Years ago, I actually was a paid-in-full-card-carrying-libertarian. Which would not make me a libertarian in Alabama in the world according to Trent, but then, who cares? In Alabama we had these cool cookout/machinegun shoot get togethers. I sort of miss those. But I understand that without government regulation of natural monopolies, that every street would have 30 competing water company pipes beneath it and we’d have that eerie world like Gotham City on Batman.

  33. Ken Belcher Ken Belcher August 27, 2009

    Richard, Constable is a County Wide office.

    The number of signatures required to qualify for my county office is .03x the total number of ballots cast in the county during the previous election for governor. I would need for Lee County: 8151 signatures. You may recheck Google for the details.
    No need to tale my word for it, ask the Libertarians, they have been trying to get back on an alabama ballot for a LOT longer than we have.

  34. Ken Belcher Ken Belcher August 27, 2009

    My bad (eyesight) 816 signatures. Roughly double the total number of voters who turned out for our municipal elections.

    Sorry Richard, I dont see small dots as well as I did when I was younger.

  35. Ken Belcher Ken Belcher August 27, 2009

    Peter, it IS they guys who win that make the rules, for good or for ill. I concur.

  36. mdh mdh August 27, 2009

    Peter, you can win in DC as a Republican? I’ve heard DC described as a two-party system between the Dems and Greens… hahah.

  37. Ken Belcher Ken Belcher August 27, 2009

    mdh: shhh, don’t scare away the ONLY Libertarian in DC, I LIKE diversity.

  38. Ken Belcher Ken Belcher August 27, 2009

    Cool, In Alabama we had the Republican Senator Shelby running as a Democrat for many many years.
    But for the surreal district boundaries we could actually have a real two party state here. I would prefer about 6 to 8 parties, but we have to start someplace.

  39. Donald R. Lake Donald R. Lake August 27, 2009

    Jason Gatties // Aug 26, 2009 at 11:37 pm
    Trent comes off looking like an ass here. Leave the Whigs have their victory and stop acting like you’re 10………

    Oh come on Mister Gatties, what do you have against the truth ?????? Press Releases are notoriously boring or inaccurate or both!

  40. Ken Belcher Ken Belcher August 27, 2009

    One and all:
    To the best of my knowledge, tonight has been my first venture to this site to participate. I learned that many of us have justifiably learned to be defensive. In my initial clarification of the facts and further explaination of my own personal rationales, I had neglected to consider that my party has rhetoric which is not always welcomed by others, I am sure that many “third” political parties also express themselves, truthfully but in terms that do not please some others. For this lack of initial sensitivity to my audience, I apologize, all of my comments were not appropriate for the circumstance. I do not apologize for my beliefs, and would not have others do so.
    I learned also that for the most part we all share a genuine desire for an overhaul of what we know to be a badly damaged system. While we seem to represent many different approaches to how that system might best be repaired, we seem to come to agreement eventually, that the ruling parties are not sufficient to the task and we feel a responsibility as citizens to speak up and shine lights in the dark places.

    I learned to respect many of you personally by LISTENING to you, and that will make me more
    amenable to hearing what you have come to say.
    I thank you all, each and all, for broadening my
    thinking further, and I hope that we all may yet be heard by the people, a great chorus, different notes, and suprisingly similar objectives.
    finis

  41. paulie paulie August 27, 2009

    Although Alabama does have horrible ballot access laws, a member of an unqualified party who wants to run for a partisan office in a small district or jurisdiction doesn’t have a tough time. He or she needs a petition of 3% of the last gubernatorial vote within that area, and that is equally true for an unqualified party, or an independent. I suspect the number of signatures to get the Whig Party on the ballot in that Constable district would have been fewer than 200 signatures. The petition is due in early June of the election year.

    To my knowledge, Constable is a countywide office. For Lee County, IIRC that would be about 1,000 valid signatures.

  42. paulie paulie August 27, 2009

    BTW that would be the case for either independent or third party.

  43. paulie paulie August 27, 2009

    The LP seems to tacitly claim GOP congressman Ron Paul as one of their own despite the fact that he is merely a former LP member.

    He is still a member of the LP, although he does not run under that label.

  44. paulie paulie August 27, 2009

    You are not a registered member of their party,

    Meaningless in the case of Alabama; there is no registration by party.

  45. paulie paulie August 27, 2009

    I would need for Lee County: 8151 signatures.

    That sounds off by almost an order of magnitude. Lee has about 130,000 of 4.6 million residents of Alabama. Statewide, we need about 40,000 signatures, thus Lee would be roughly the proportion of that which is proportional to its population, roughly 3% of roughly 40,000 — or about 1,000 give or take, since both the 3% and the 40,000 are rough estimates and I don’t know how well the turnout compared with the turnout statewide.

  46. paulie paulie August 27, 2009

    Ken @ 24,

    Those comments were in another thread. They are still there.

  47. paulie paulie August 27, 2009

    My bad (eyesight) 816 signatures.

    Oops, should have read the whole thread. That sounds on the money.

  48. Ken Belcher Ken Belcher August 27, 2009

    My bad on the thread thing, but the same posters were on the earlier and still attacking me on the latter, I am not skilled in this media.

    In Alabama the only thing that you can get 800 people in a single county to sign is the back of a welfare check. But if I choose to run again, I wish that you’d come on down and give that petition thing a shot for me. Lee County has not changed a bit since Norma Rae was filmed here.

  49. Levon Helm Levon Helm August 27, 2009

    The guy is another Democrat, and elected as such, posing as a Third Party.

    It’s bullshit.

    The Whigs are fake.

  50. Ken Belcher Ken Belcher August 27, 2009

    Most Democrats seem to be fake too. Shrug

  51. Ken Belcher Ken Belcher August 27, 2009

    You can think of me as a Martian, but it will not make me one.
    I am not the spokesman for the Modern Whig Party, and my petty, obsolete ,vestigial office in rural Alabama does not warrant this much time and effort on the part of this forum. Let us all keep it real.

  52. Donald R. Lake Donald R. Lake August 27, 2009

    “Most Democrats seem to be fake, too!”

    Oh like John ‘Scary’ Kerry Swift Boat apologist and Kiddie Porn King Wade Sanders as Democrat Lt. Governor John Garamendi’s ‘veterans advocate’ who fights grass roots lethal veterans programs critics at every turn? Want to tell Mister Sanders on me and my group [Citizens For A Better Veterans Home]?

    I believe he is sharing a cell on ward D [in or near Tucson] with former Congress Member ‘Puke’ Cunningham! Dems and GOP are fakes ???? Go figure!

  53. Donald R. Lake Donald R. Lake August 27, 2009

    “Let’s keep it real!”

    Let’s start with you Ken! Why don’t you ‘say what you mean and mean what you say’?

    [Do ya kinda get how fed up the ‘independents’ (whom often feud with each other) are with the Duopoly Establishment ????? Look no further than Perot’s P1992 and P1996 bids. VERY anti Democans and anit Republicrat!]

  54. Yossarian Yossarian August 27, 2009

    “Whigs are fake…”

    funny how the guy saying that is from an oddball “green party.” If I recall reading correctly, these “independent greens” tried to recruit some of these “fake Whigs” to their own cause but were rebuffed. Granted it was some random blog many months ago, but interesting nonetheless.

    Also, the whigs were on a few more mainstream radio shows this week which isn’t too shabby for a group of veterans working to establish a political movement.

  55. Dave Schwab Dave Schwab August 27, 2009

    “The Modern Whig Party – which seeks to cater to disenchanted Democrats and Republicans – has announced that it has its first win under its belt only months after forming….”

    As the candidate in question did not run on the Modern Whig Party line, the claim that the party “has its first win” stretches the bounds of credibility.

    If you would like your party to succeed, I suggest that you try talking straight. People will appreciate it. Good luck.

  56. Ken Belcher Ken Belcher August 27, 2009

    Dave: I agree wqith you. That is the very sort of incorrect editorial reconstruction( by a media outlet) of our actual press release that I came here to correct. I have found it interesting that when one does the right thing, everyone attacks.
    I am still saying that we are all in common cause against the twin titans who rig the rules and for the purposes of ballot access, we should all seek to help one another achieve the goal of fair ballot access, which would have made this entire thread something of an alternatite universe.

  57. Ken Belcher Ken Belcher August 27, 2009

    And the democrats need to “pose as third party’s” WHY? They have the White House, the Senate, The House of Representatives and probably at this point, the Supreme Court.
    When I stop laughing, I will try to figure out what they would have to gain by splitting their party further with fake third party’s.

  58. Ken Belcher Ken Belcher August 27, 2009

    I have lived in Virginia and I like Mr. Helms website and proposals. Like most of the “outsider” parties represented here, we all have something we consider positive to offer or we would not go to the effort.

  59. Ken Belcher Ken Belcher August 27, 2009

    I would like very much to see admitted Libertarians, Socialists, Constitutionalists, Greens and Representatives of every point of view in Congress, each one openly and freely debating the value and utility of their point of view. That is what our founders had envisioned, they had never anticipated that we would evolve into a two party oligopoly, perpetually lying to us and sharing power as they see fit, to the exclusion of all others.

  60. Ken Belcher Ken Belcher August 27, 2009

    Donald: Well, the democrats and republicans have certainly faked a lot of people into buying into their BS for a very long time. I say Potato, you say Pahtahto…

  61. Ken Belcher Ken Belcher August 27, 2009

    Paulie: I read your sites, nice work! Never let them get you down.

  62. Donald R. Lake Donald R. Lake August 27, 2009

    Yossarian // Aug 27, 2009 at 2:42 pm:

    Your comments of the [so called] Independent Green Party, “Your words, my thots —— as collected in first person contact ……”

  63. paulie paulie August 27, 2009

    In Alabama the only thing that you can get 800 people in a single county to sign is the back of a welfare check. But if I choose to run again, I wish that you’d come on down and give that petition thing a shot for me.

    That, I can do.

    I wouldn’t have any problems getting 816 valid Lee County.

    Let’s talk details if and when you want to do it.

  64. paulie paulie August 27, 2009

    Paulie: I read your sites, nice work! Never let them get you down.

    Thanks!

    I think I met you back in the 90s….I know I met Bob Belcher a few times, and I think some other Belchers….is that your family?

  65. paulie paulie August 27, 2009

    we should all seek to help one another achieve the goal of fair ballot access, which would have made this entire thread something of an alternatite universe.

    We need to get a good ballot access bill through the legislature. It would be nice if someone who has the money and time and can afford a decent suit went down to Goat Hill and did some lobbying 🙂

  66. paulie paulie August 27, 2009

    To be clear, I am not sure how that relates to Levon Helm (if this is in fact Levon Helm).

    Any thoughts/reactions on 69, 70, 72?

  67. Ken Belcher Ken Belcher August 28, 2009

    69: you really dont know the place, but thanks
    70: I don’t know a Bob Belcher, the Belcher family became somewhat vast in the 19th century
    72: We need to oblige each state individually to respect all of its citizens with just ballot access laws. The republicrats do not consider us voters because we are less likely to vote for them, thus they do not care a whit what we want.

  68. David Atwood David Atwood August 28, 2009

    This is a phone book political party. Everyone is a member. 3,000 to 30,0000 are all lies. They can claim 3 million if they want, it’s all lies. The national party is run by a liar, his name is Lebowitz. Do a records check on him, he’s a Democrat, a Jewish Newspaper Reporter, and Lawyer! OMG!!!

  69. paulie paulie August 28, 2009

    69: you really dont know the place, but thanks

    But I do. I’ve worked petitions in Auburn in 1998, 1999, 2000, 2002, 2004, 2006 and 2008.

    I can get signatures at AU, Toomers Corner area, and possibly several other locations that I have good reason to believe I could petition at.

    Trust me, when I say I can do Lee County, I’m not talking out of ignorance.

    I’ve also worked in every other county in Alabama. In 1998-2000 I personally got about 20,000 signatures for the LP in Alabama, and that’s not counting the subsequent campaigns, including several other parties as well as local candidates.

  70. Ken Belcher Ken Belcher August 28, 2009

    And how many times did your party get on the ballot out of those six?

  71. paulie paulie August 28, 2009

    Almost all of them.

    1998-2000, we got on as a full political party statewide – legally equal to Democrats and Republicans, for the 2000 election. As a result of the 60,000+ signatures that our team collected, 20,000 or so of those being mine, we were able to run statewide candidates and one of them received over 20%, clearing the highest retention barrier in the nation. ( I also helped qualify several of the other presidential candidates who were on the Alabama ballot that year.)

    In 2002, we ran about 60 candidates up and down the ballot, from Governor to local offices.
    I was in error in previously stating that I petitioned in Alabama that year, I actually worked as a campaign staffer. I had an apartment in Auburn from 1/2000 to 8/2002.

    In 2004, we successfully qualified Badnarik and Nader, with our team working primarily in Auburn and another team working in Tuscaloosa.

    The only petition of the ones I worked on in Alabama which failed was in 2004; it listed Badnarik, Nader and Cobb all on one page, but the proponents were never clear on the price per signature, etc. It was not due to any lack of popularity for Mr. Cobb.

    In 2006, we qualified Dick Clark for House District 79, with some help from local volunteers after we left.

    In 2008, we qualified Barr, Nader, and Baldwin, including a large batch of signatures that Andy and I got in Auburn. Our team did all of the signatures for Baldwin and a big chunk of Nader and Barr.

    All these candidates were on the ballot, except David Cobb, and the reason for that one had nothing to do with people’s unwillingness to sign. In all cases, many of the signatures were collected in Lee County.

  72. “Do a records check on him, he’s a Democrat, a Jewish Newspaper Reporter, and Lawyer! OMG!!!”

    So what? Many people hold membership in more than one party. And the rest is simply irrelevant and listing it only demonstrating prejudice and ignorance on your part.

  73. Yossarian Yossarian August 28, 2009

    “David Atwood” forgot to mention Iraq war paratrooper and veterans advocate to his bigoted and disturbing bio of the Whig chair. Sad that in 2009 people still attack others based on religion and hate. Now a good lawyer joke is acceptable, but bigotry is just sad.

  74. Obama is a Space Alien Obama is a Space Alien August 28, 2009

    The devil visited a lawyer’s office and made him an offer. “I can arrange some things for you, ” the devil said. “I’ll increase your income five-fold. Your partners will love you; your clients will respect you; you’ll have four months of vacation each year and live to be a hundred. All I require in return is that your wife’s soul, your children’s souls, and their children’s souls rot in hell for eternity.”

    The lawyer thought for a moment. “What’s the catch?” he asked.

  75. Donald R. Lake Donald R. Lake August 28, 2009

    Dearest Yossarian: [Modern Whig critic] David Atwood forgot to mention Iraq war paratrooper and veterans advocate ………

    yeah and the same ole boil plating on abused veterans issues. Same ole, same ole! Just a shadow of the Democans and the Republicrats ……..

  76. Ken Belcher Ken Belcher August 28, 2009

    Pauli: If I could afford you to handle my campaigns for unpaid offices you would be THE go-to guy. All goodwill intended.

  77. Ken Belcher Ken Belcher August 28, 2009

    Brace yourselves for the coming tsunami of Former Democrats as the next couple of years of change kick in. You can deride them for it , or you can ask them for their vote, but you will have little luck doing both.

  78. Yossarian Yossarian August 28, 2009

    The vast international Jewish conspiracy has now infiltrated the third party movement in the form of the Whigs. That’s much more realistic than what appears to be a bunch of kids trying to form a political party.

  79. Dave Schwab Dave Schwab August 28, 2009

    “Brace yourselves for the coming tsunami of Former Democrats as the next couple of years of change kick in. You can deride them for it , or you can ask them for their vote, but you will have little luck doing both.”

    That’s a very good point. Comments on sites like IPR are not representative of third parties and independents as a whole, but they are often representative of the sort of thing that scares people away from third parties and independents.

  80. David Atwood David Atwood September 4, 2009

    Belcher is a dork. Whigs are Liars

  81. David Atwood David Atwood September 4, 2009

    phone book party!!!! there are no whigs

  82. David Atwood David Atwood September 4, 2009

    Liars liars liars, look at their website, lolololololol, http://www.votegene.com lololololol and that photo of Maxwell Smart, Chairman of the Modern Whig Party

  83. HS HS September 4, 2009

    Mr. Atwood/Duncan,

    You really do have a way with words. But since you have already painted yourself as blinded by anti-Semitism and who knows what other bigotry you hold, I can only wish you the best of luck in your efforts as you hide safely behind your computer monitor.

    Heather

  84. HS HS September 4, 2009

    On a more tangible note, a second Whig Congressional candidate is set to make an announcement next week on the Florida Whig Party ticket.

  85. HS HS September 4, 2009

    Paul McKain is the first Whig Congressional candidate. His site can be found at http://www.paulmckain.com.

  86. David Atwood David Atwood November 13, 2009

    Lebowitz quit over money missing…a woman from MN is chairperson. Modern Whigs in turmoil and national convention next month. NY Chair is Gene Chaas next Modern Whig chairperson.

  87. Danny Adams Danny Adams November 22, 2009

    …Michael Lebowitz, a Washington, D.C. attorney and former Chairman of the Modern Whig Party… has joined the Kokesh for Congress team. “As a fellow Iraq Veteran, I am honored to assist the Kokesh campaign as its legal counsel.” Mr. Lebowitz stated…A group of seven GW students sent an e-mail to The Hatchet late Tuesday night admitting to hanging hundreds of controversial posters around campus early Monday morning….The students – Adam Kokesh, freshman Yong Kwon, senior Brian Tierny, freshman Ned Goodwin, Maxine Nwigwe, Lara Masri and Amal Rammah – said their motives were misinterpreted…Kokesh, a graduate student and Iraq War veteran, gained celebrity over the past year because of his vocal opposition to the war. Nwigwe and Rammah are also graduate students…Lebowitz and Kokesh are well known anti war bedfellows who support liberal drug use laws

  88. Danny Adams Danny Adams November 22, 2009

    Kokesh and his anti-war group’s ploy to attack patriotic young Americans by smearing them as racists by posting posters on the GW campus. Kokesh is the anti war protester who was defended by Modern Whig Chairman Lebowitz during his dishonorable discharge for protesting in uniform. Kokesh is now running for congress and Lebowitz is his legal advisor. Modern Whigs are anti war vets who support legalization of marijuana.

  89. paulie paulie November 23, 2009

    anti war vets who support legalization of marijuana

    We need more of those to stand up and be heard.

  90. paulie paulie November 23, 2009

    ploy to attack patriotic young Americans by smearing them as racists

    Could be the same ones who have such nice things to say about Jews above? Hmmm.

    Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

  91. HS HS November 23, 2009

    For the record, Lebowitz has accepted a government appointment which is the basis for his resignation from the MWP. The issue about missing money turned out to be scam by Nicholas Hensley, the former North Carolina Chair, who has admitted to spreading lies and innuendo in order to profit from the leadership vacuum. Hensley has admitted that checks he claimed were sent to the Whigs never were actually sent, despite his claims to the contrary.

    Interesting enough, Hensley and his crew also has tried to infer that the lies and innuendo were coming from a chairperson in New York. At the same time, they have called into question the service of veterans for their own political gain, which is just sick.

    The Whigs are far from turmoil, only the North Carolina chapter has fallen off the deep end.

    As for the other comments, I’m with Paulie 🙂

  92. Linda Marks Linda Marks December 6, 2009

    Charged with disorderly conduct were Ryan Olander, 25, of Highland Park, N.J.; Paul Blasenheim, 19, of Washington, D.C.; David M. Disimino, 19, of Tacoma Park, Md.; Geoffrey Millard, 27, of Washington, D.C.; Adam Kokesh, 26, of Washington, D.C. (Republican congressional candidate whose attorney is Michael Lebowitz); Kristufer Goldsmith, 20, of North Bellmore, N.Y.; James Gilligan, 18, of Philadelphia, Penn.; Nathan Peld, 28, of Syracuse, N.Y.; Jose Vasquez, 34, of Long Island City, N.Y.; Matthis Chiroux, 24, of Brooklyn, N.Y.; Marlisa Grogan, 27, of Wayne, N.J.; Michael Spinnato, 24, of Boston, Mass.; Lianne Gillouly, 21, of Boston, Mass.; Megan Day, 19, of Portchester, Mass.; Nicholas Morgan, 24, of Washington, D.C. All were released on appearance tickets returnable to First District Court, Hempstead.

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