Libertarian Party poll: Which example makes Republicans look the most hypocritical when they complain about government-run health care?

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Which example makes Republicans look the most hypocritical when they complain about government-run health care?

– Former President Bush’s $400 billion Medicare prescription program

– Former Republican Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney’s universal health insurance scheme

– Texas Republican Governor Rick Perry’s 2007 executive order forcing schoolgirls to get an HPV vaccine

– I just can’t decide. They’re all so hypocritical!

Early results as of this writing:


Which example makes Republicans look the most hypocritical when they complain about government-run health care?
Former President Bush’s $400 billion Medicare prescription program

18% (210 votes)
Former Republican Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney’s universal health insurance scheme

13% (152 votes)
Texas Republican Governor Rick Perry’s 2007 executive order forcing schoolgirls to get an HPV vaccine

9% (107 votes)
I just can’t decide. They’re all so hypocritical!

61% (729 votes)
Total votes: 1198

40 thoughts on “Libertarian Party poll: Which example makes Republicans look the most hypocritical when they complain about government-run health care?

  1. Eric Dondero

    Funny no mention of President Bush’s privatization of Social Security proposals from 2005, or his Tax Cuts from 2003, or his liberation of over 70 million people from brutal repressive Islamo-Fascist dictatorships in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    Funny, not a single mention of the fact that Bush appointed more Libertarian Party members to prominent posts in his administration – including former Libertarian Party of CO Chair Gayle Norton to a Cabinet Post – than all other previous Presidents combined.

  2. Eric Dondero

    Oh, and that Romney proposal? Changed dramatically once the overwhelmingly Democrat-controlled legislator got their hands on his bill.

    Wanna know how many Repubs are in the Mass Legislator?

    16 in the House out of 120

    And in the Senate 5 out of 60.

    And you’re blaming Romney for Mass. Health Care? Gimmee a fuckin’ break.

  3. The Last Conservative

    Those libertarians were obviously no longer libertarians if they got an appointment from Bush. Libertarians and neocons do have some similar economic ideas, so they were put in places where they couldn’t do too much damage.

  4. W is a 911 terrorist

    “The last President, ………freed some 70 million people in Iraq and Afghanistan from the ruthless communust/islamo-fascist oppressions of Saddam Hussein and the Taliban.”

    Kind of like how Hitler “freed” Czechoslovakia and Poland.

    Kind of like how Uncle Chester the Molester “frees” a ten year old’s hymen.

    Kind of like how a mugger “frees” a wallet.

    “Bush equals the polar opposite of Hitler/Stalin/Mao/Pol Pot/Saddam Hussein and all other Tyrannical Dictators in the World.”

    Yeah, he’s 360 degrees away from them.

  5. W is a 911 terrorist

    “Oh, and that Romney proposal? Changed dramatically once the overwhelmingly Democrat-controlled legislator got their hands on his bill. ”

    How so?

  6. JT

    Dondero: “Funny no mention of President Bush’s privatization of Social Security proposals from 2005, or his Tax Cuts from 2003, or his liberation of over 70 million people from brutal repressive Islamo-Fascist dictatorships in Afghanistan and Iraq.”

    Even if you think those were all libertarian acts, they have nothing to do with this issue. Why would they be mentioned here?

    Dondero: “Funny, not a single mention of the fact that Bush appointed more Libertarian Party members to prominent posts in his administration – including former Libertarian Party of CO Chair Gayle Norton to a Cabinet Post – than all other previous Presidents combined.”

    Who else? Give your long list of names.

    “Oh, and that Romney proposal? Changed dramatically once the overwhelmingly Democrat-controlled legislator got their hands on his bill.”

    Romney signed the bill and defended it loudly and proudly.

    You need to find a way to get paid to defend GOP politicians mindlessly.

  7. Obama Been Lyin'

    “You need to find a way to get paid to defend GOP politicians mindlessly”

    He probably already has.

  8. The Last Conservative

    I think that W911/Obama alien is a more mature “Libertarian Joseph.” Remember him from last year?

  9. citizen1

    I do think that there should have been a choice that said it is not hypocritical so that those without brains and Republican apologists like Eric could have a choice.
    I voted for GWB Medicare because it was a something that the Republicans did or could have done without the Dems help.

  10. Eric Sundwall

    I think this poll definitely reflects the immediate change that We Benedict is having on LPHQ. A little sarcastic and biting commentary on the state of being red or blue is a welcome change from the more recent polls suggesting real conservative bias . . . it’s got Benedict all over it. I’m sure he doesn’t feel that his recent appointment merits weighing in on the blogosphere personally yet, but I’d welcome it. He’s a hoot and shouldn’t let the importance of the LP one day ruling the world get in the way of that.

  11. Eric Dondero

    Yupper, George W. Bush was such a “big government guy,” that one very prominent elected politician had this to say:

    Martin O’Malley, Mayor of Baltimore, 2000-2006, now Governor of the State of Maryland, from 2006:

    “Bush is such an extremist, he’s cutting so much spending to state and local governments, that he’s like a 9/11 Terrorist.”

    Got that folks? If you’re a Republican and you cut government spending, you’re called a “9/11 Terrorist,” by Democrat elected officials.

    And you fucks have the audacity to call Bush a “big government” supporter.

    You all are so fuckin’ out of the mainstream of American politics it’s not even funny.

  12. Eric Dondero

    Here’s a few facts for you Republican bashers:

    Libertarian Party founded in 1971, by….

    THE CHAIRMAN OF THE COLORADO YOUNG REPUBLICANS

    8 of 9 of all past Libertarian Party Presidential candidates starting in 1972, were/are Republicans. (Harry Browne was the only one who never had a previous political affiliation, all others – Clark, MacBride, Barr, Badnarik, Marrou, Hospers, even Bergland were GOPers)

    Every single Libertarian Party member ever elected to a State Legislature in the United States (Alaska, Michigan, Vermont, and New Hampshire), have Caucused with the Republicans once in office.

    Bottom line: The Republican Party IS the Libertarian Party and Vice-Versa.

  13. Eric Dondero

    Hey mdh, how much big government do you think we’d have right now, if Bush never fought back against Al Qaeda, and Saddam Hussein after 9/11?

    That pretty little girlfriend of yours would be wearing an ugly black burqa right now, and you would be kneeling to Allah 5 times a day.

    Oh, and that Gay buddy of yours. He’d be dead. Hanged in the town square by the neck after his genitals were stuffed in his mouth.

    And that Marijuana Smoking friend of yours? Rotting in some Islamist Jail with a life sentence.

    There’s no bigger government on the planet than Islamo-Fascist Sharia Law.

  14. Eric Dondero

    Here’s a question for you all?

    Who do you think it was who got your beloved Ron Paul elected to the US Congress in 1996?

    Hint: His initials are G – W – B (along with Karl Rove.)

    Eric Dondero, Campaign Coordinator
    Ron Paul for Congress 1995/96
    Senior Aide, US Congressman Ron Paul
    1997-2003

  15. mdh

    I was a Republican once, too. I am sorry, and feel very repentant for the evils I brought to the world.

    In all fairness, though, I voted for Forbes, not Bush, in the 2000 primaries. 😉

  16. Eric Dondero

    And I was a Libertarian Party activist myself in the 1980s, before I saw the light, and realized that if you were a Libertarian who was serious about politics, and serious about electing Libertarians to public office, you needed an ‘R’ by your name.

  17. W is a 911 terrorist and Obama Been Lyin'

    Yupper, George W. Bush was such a “big government guy,”

    That he increased government spending fasterr than any president since FDR, started two separate undeclared wars which are still going on, and created massive new intrusions against civil liberties all “justified” by his own gang’s false flag terror operation on 9/11.

    Martin O’Malley, Mayor of Baltimore, 2000-2006, now Governor of the State of Maryland, from 2006:

    “Bush is such an extremist, he’s cutting so much spending to state and local governments, that he’s like a 9/11 Terrorist.”

    He’s not writing prompts tumblr https://goodsamatlanta.org/patients/cheap-viagra-canada-free-shipping/01/ https://caberfaepeaks.com/school/homework-help-bbc-schools/27/ thesis statement nhd examples go site https://childrenofthecaribbean.org/plan/essay-about-change-yourself/05/ social capital essay http://aimsnorthafrica.org/essay-on-environmental-issues/ http://www.nationalnewstoday.com/medical/viagra-blood-pressure/2/ christmas border writing paper college homework help accounting https://thedsd.com/narrative-essay-definition/ meldonium lisinopril https://phs-il.org/fire-prevention-essay-help/ click here custom writing service reviews how to write the best research paper https://artsgarage.org/blog/cv-writing-service-york/83/ discount doxycycline no prescription how to write a science fair paper do my assignment for me uk enter site clomid for male infertility democracy essay go to link buy doctor diploma source link follow url source site best freelance writers websites essay writer in usa follow site like a 9/11 terrorist. He is a 9/11 terrorist. But the 9/11 terrorists in the Bush-Cheney gang did not cut government; they increased it. O’Malley is lying.
    Politicians lie frequently.

    Bush is a 9/11 terrorist and Obama been lyin’.

  18. W is a 911 terrorist and Obama Been Lyin'

    “THE CHAIRMAN OF THE COLORADO YOUNG REPUBLICANS

    8 of 9 of all past Libertarian Party Presidential candidates starting in 1972, were/are Republicans. (Harry Browne was the only one who never had a previous political affiliation, all others – Clark, MacBride, Barr, Badnarik, Marrou, Hospers, even Bergland were GOPers)

    Every single Libertarian Party member ever elected to a State Legislature in the United States (Alaska, Michigan, Vermont, and New Hampshire), have Caucused with the Republicans once in office.

    Bottom line: The Republican Party IS the Libertarian Party and Vice-Versa.”

    This may very well explain why the Libertarian party has not done a whole lot better. Thanks!

  19. W is a 911 terrorist and Obama Been Lyin'

    “how much big government do you think we’d have right now, if Bush never fought back against Al Qaeda, and Saddam Hussein after 9/11?”

    Much less. Al Qaida (better known as al-CIAda) and Saddam Hussein had zero chance of taking power in the US, but the irrational fear of them doing so allowed Bush to create a quasi-dictatorship which Obama is now consolidating – and will probably turn into a full dictatorship after the next terror incident, which will probably also be staged by the Obama gang and most likely blamed on domestic right wing extremists.

    Or it may be a bioengineered epidemic or some other regime created false flag operation. But Bush laid the groundwork.

  20. W is a 911 terrorist and Obama Been Lyin'

    Who’s the guy on the radio that says Libertarians are Republicans who want to do drugs and have sex?

    Probably Dondero or some other idiot/shill who does not understand that real libertarians oppose war, empire, corporate-government collusion, domestic espionage, robocops, and the rest of the fascist Demo-Republican establishment.

  21. paulie Post author

    Who’s the guy on the radio that says Libertarians are Republicans who want to do drugs and have sex?

    Someone no more in touch with reality than those who think all Greens are socialists and communists.

    I’m not anything like a Republican, and drugs and sex are just a small fraction of our differences.


    http://pauliecannoli.wordpress.com/2007/01/31/state-of-the-empire-2/

    disunion2.jpg


    > So, anyway, my question fro you all is: what would YOU like to see on

    > the ‘hot issues’ page?
    >
    > –
    > Susan HogarthHere are some starter points.

    The issues on your “taxes of evil” flyer.

    Bush impeachment, although SG tells me they would like to but can’t
    say anything because the weenie majority in Portland voted against it.

    A real investigation into 9/11.

    Iran, and other upcoming war/inasion/occupations.

    The military-industrial complex and “USA World Police” as a concept.

    Abusive, Corrupt, and Brutal Cops, the militarization of policing, and
    the prison-industrial complex.

    Prison rape.

    Corporate liability/personhood, and corporate-government partnerships.

    Industrial hemp’s environmental uses.

    Medical marijuana.

    Restoration of felon voting rights.

    Immigration freedom.

    Patriot Act, Military Commissions Act, Total Information Awareness,
    Rendition, Torture, Secret Prisons, Suspension of habeas Corpus,

    Signing Statements, Warantless Wiretapping, etc.

    Eminent domain abuse, especially on behalf of corporations.

    Corporate welfare.

    Agricultural and petroleum company subsidies, along with mideast
    intervention, and hemp prohibition as barriers to energy independence,
    and causes of environmental destruction and war.

    Federal transportation spending, and item above, as causes of
    sprawl-related pollution.

    Regime interference in alternative medicine.

    Occupational licensing as a barrier to small businesses starting.

    Perverse incentives to keep health insurance tied to corporate
    employment, also a barrier to small business formation.

    The AMA medical cartel.

    Fully Informed Juries.

    Pollution by government, especially the military.

    REAL ID.

    Marriage Freedom.

    Youth Rights.

    Racial profiling by police and Homeland Security.

    Right to protest and petition; free speech zones.

    Self defense rights, especially in high crime areas and for ex-felons.

    Initiative and referendum.

    Black box voting; paper trails; vote fraud.

    Privacy rights, encryption.

    Overboard corporate copyright abuse (We own McAnything!).

    US Aid to foreign dictators.

    Black collar crime/JAIL for judges.

    Regime secrets and lies.

    Prevention of private charity by FEMA after Katrina.

    Forced disarmement and massive eminent domain abuse against intact
    houses after Katrina.

    The doctrine of preemptive/aggressive war.

    US war crimes.

    Depleted uranium and cover-up of health impacts.

    War tax resistance and other forms of civil disobedience.

    Civil asset forfeiture.

    Vice squad rapists.

    Narcotics squad dope dealers, and other corrupt pigs.

    State vs, fed control of national guard; the idea of states
    withdrawing national guard units from foreign wars.

    Biodiesel.

    Home schoolers rights.

    The national debt and the bankers funny money cartel.

    Not an exhaustive list, but it’s a start.

    To Infinity And Beyond!

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    By Clay Bennett

    Originally posted at paulie cannoli: leave the gun, take the cannoli

  22. paulie Post author

    Boortz

    Oh, Lester Maddox’s former speechwriter?

    The one who said there should be increased FBI monitoring of antiwar demonstrations? That Boortz?

    “Libertarian” Boortz….my ass!

  23. Michael Seebeck

    Who’s the guy on the radio that says Libertarians are Republicans who want to do drugs and have sex?

    That would be that uber-socialist champion of the commons, who makes that quote on one hand and then waxes other libertarian rhetoric on the other, Thom Hartmann.

  24. Michael Seebeck

    Yeah, he’s 360 degrees away from them.

    Uh, I think that’s supposed to be 180. Applying my mathematics degree into Euclidean Cartesian-coordinate space for a moment, if you’re 360 degree from someone, then you’re right with them.

  25. paulie Post author

    http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A14346


    Atlanta’s radio offerings are so, so, so very awful that, yes, on my drive to the office, in desperation I am forced to tune in to the city’s pinnacle (or is it pit?) of know-nothingness, Neal Boortz. But I have a rule. At his first lie, gross misrepresentation of the truth, or race baiting, I go to a book on tape. Often, I don’t make it out of the driveway. Seldom do I travel the five miles to I-85, and never have I completed the 30-minute drive to the Loaf without Boortz bellowing some deceitful absurdity.

    Neal dissembles, John hits the off button.

    For example, just last week Boortz proclaimed that the Bushies told no fibs to con Americans into supporting the war. Huh? I paused for a minute before switching on my current recorded book to make sure Boortz wouldn’t qualify that astounding fiction or giggle and say, “Just kidding,” since all the world now knows George Bush lied. So did Colin Powell, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and the rest of the contemptible gang. They politicized and distorted intelligence, and when that didn’t work, they fabricated and uttered gross untruths. They have even admitted it, but now claim it doesn’t matter.

    I sometimes jot down Boortz’s lamest deceits. It’s a long list. Ranking at the top was his hysterical claim, in the days before Bush’s invasion of Iraq, that Saddam Hussein’s military might surpass that of Nazi Germany. I slapped my forehead at that one — the claim went beyond mere bad information and makes me wonder if there isn’t serious impairment of Boortz’s reasoning capacity. The fellow needs a 12-step program for the chronically dishonest and incorrigibly stupid.

    The truth, by the way, was that in 1939 Adolf Hitler boasted 98 divisions, with 1.5 million well-trained men, for the invasion of Poland. For the Western offensive, Germany had 2.5 million men, and 2,500 tanks. In June 1941, Hitler had available 3 million men and 4,000 tanks to invade the Soviet Union. Saddam, prior to our invasion, never had more than 400,000 troops and 2,200 tanks, and the demoralized and largely broken-down Iraqi military was never in the same universe as the Wehrmacht.

    In other words, Boortz equals bullshit.

    I don’t want to argue the war here, but it was just so Boortzian for him to proclaim that pure lunacy as truth. And the sheep that follow him bleat their belief that they are actually getting “information.”

    That Boortz struts about touting himself as a libertarian would make his daily mission of mendacity a good laugh — except for one thing: For Big Brother to win, the Bush regime needs to bovine-ize America. Ignorance and the Orwellian capacity to simultaneously believe glaring contradictions are the essential intellectual diet of the Bushies. Force feeding America the swill are Faux News and the phalanx of talk show screechers, of which Boortz is, to his chagrin, merely a farm team lightweight.

    (In October a University of Maryland survey measured how much false information — such as that weapons of mass destruction had been found in Iraq — people believed and whether they primarily relied on Fox, CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN or print. Those relying on Fox were far less likely to know the truth about critical world and national issues, and far more likely to believe distortions of the truth. Boortz, of course, gets it wrong more often than the heavy-hitting propagandists he worships on Fox.)

    America needs real libertarians, whose origins are firmly rooted in the Bill of Rights. The Libertarian Party (libertarians with a big “L”) is holding its national convention in Atlanta in May, and the party has invited Boortz to be a speaker. I’m told by Libertarian activists the decision was rooted in the group’s cheapness — they didn’t want to foot the freight for major talent.

    Well, you get what you pay for — free traders such as the Libertarians should understand that. In lib — or Lib — ertarian land, there has been a howl of protest over the invitation to Boortz.

    One of the few points on which Boortz’s rants coincide with the Libertarians is ending the Drug War. Hell, there are a lot of tokers out there who can’t even spell Libertarian who are in tune with the party on that point.

    Boortz is no libertarian. He is a sorry shill for the Bush big-government, interventionist, xenophobic, authoritarian regime. Imposing our will on the world, looting resources and guaranteeing Halliburton billions in profits — that isn’t free trade; it’s empire. Gutting the Bill of Rights, spying on law-abiding citizens, manipulation through agitprop — that isn’t freedom; it’s slavery.

    “The Libertarian Party is so desperate, it has led them to abandon their issues in favor of seeking popularity,” says Eric Garris, who helps run a libertarian website, antiwar.com, and who has long been involved with the party at the national and state (California) levels.

    On the key issues confronting America, Boortz clearly stands on the side of those who attack freedom, and those who want to turn Big Government into Gargantuan Government (as long as someone besides rich people and corporations pay for it).

    Examples: He applauds the FBI investigating anti-war demonstrators, making a broad smear recently on his website (that could have been authored by Karl Rove, and maybe was) that activists should be hounded by the feds because they are “pro-Saddam and anti-U.S.,” and that they are “largely anti-American communists and Islamic radicals.”

    Likewise, in the same epistle, he applauded the police riot last month against trade demonstrators in Miami. I never met someone who claimed to be a libertarian but was so antagonistic toward the First, Fourth, Fifth and Sixth amendments. It just doesn’t compute.

    In Boortz’s best imitation of Joe McCarthy, he has insinuated that Justin Raimondo — a nationally prominent Libertarian since the 1970s and the prolific editor of anti-war.com — is a red. Raimondo “doesn’t like me,” Boortz huffed on his website last week, “because I approve of our actions in Iraq. Fair enough. Do you know who else doesn’t like our Iraqi actions? Well, communists, for one.”

    Slimey, slimey, slimey.

    On economics, Boortz worships Ronald Reagan — ignoring the fact that government grew much faster under the Gipper than under, say, Bill Clinton, who the talk show host blames for just about every ill that has ever happened (another script line from Karl Rove). And, of course, Boortz has nothing but gushing praise for Bush’s economics, somehow equating fiscal responsibility with pumping up government spending to $21,000 per American household, compared with $16,000 during the Clinton administration — the biggest increase in more than 50 years.

    That remarkably un-libertarian accomplishment, coupled with Bush’s tax cuts for the plutocrats, has created record deficits that will indenture our children and grandchildren — hardly what Ayn Rand, the spiritual guru for Libertarians, had in mind in Atlas Shrugged.

    It’s the war, however, that has real libertarians frothing at the invitation to Boortz. The Libertarian Party platform is decidedly anti-war, stating: “We call for the withdrawal of all American military personnel stationed abroad. … There is no current or foreseeable risk of any conventional military attack on the American people, particularly from long distances. We call for the withdrawal of the U.S. from commitments to engage in war on behalf of other governments and for abandonment of doctrines supporting military intervention such as the Monroe Doctrine.”

    Pretty clear writing, and it’s at the heart of Libertarian thought. An irony is that since Boortz is peachy happy with the FBI snooping on anti-war activists, and since most Libertarians are anti-war, the radio blowhard is all in favor of the government investigating the very people who invited him to address their convention. And, in the witch-hunting delusions that substitute for thought in Boortz’s diseased mind, it’s quite likely all those Libertarians are really either commies or radical Islamists.

    Boortz doesn’t like me. I outed him as a chickenhawk. He keeps changing the story about how he evaded military service during Vietnam (was it the asthma or your eyesight, Neal?). Last week, he was claiming the military wouldn’t take him. More precisely, when he couldn’t get a relatively cushy job as a pilot, he wasn’t about to get dirty (or dead) crawling through rice paddies. It’s so easy to be bellicose when it’s the other guy — probably an oh-so-expendable member of the working class and a minority — who is getting shot.

    But that’s Neal Boortz, the apotheosis of cowardice. He doesn’t like to debate when he can’t be in control. He keeps his finger on the disconnect button so that when callers start to score points, he can quickly cut them off.

    If that’s who the Libertarians want to hear, the party — already victim to several internal scuffles — might as well admit that it’s history. If its program is to imitate the Democrats’ emulation of the Republicans, the Libertarian Party stands for nothing.

    Neal Boortz was offered space for his unedited remarks on libertarians’ “boot Boortz” efforts. Boortz apparently preferred to pout in silence. For those who would like to sign the petition to give Boortz the heave-ho from the Libertarian convention: http://www.petitiononline.com/noboortz/petition.html.

    Senior Editor John Sugg — who says, “Neal, you gutless bag of wind, this is a challenge to a smackdown”

  26. Dondero was Popeye's B*tch before Olive Oyl

    Dondero saw the light, all right–it was so intense that it scorched his eyeballs so he cannot see, and zorched his brain so he cannot think.

    His Navy CO warned him to not stand in front of the SPY radar emitter on the Aegis destroyer during the drills, but he “knew better” and stood there anyway, and he still thinks he knows better, when he really doesn’t.

    Then again, Dondero thinks a military discharge involves a lack of foreplay in the crew quarters…

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