American Independent Party Factions Hold Rival State Conventions

The American Independent Party of California is split between two factions of activists. One faction supported Alan Keyes for President in 2008 and wants the AIP of California to be affiliated with the America’s Independent Party, a nationally organized third party organized around Keyes’ run for President. That faction held its state convention this weekend which reportedly attracted as many as 11 delegates, or as few as 9. The convention was held in a hall in Sacramento, California.

The other faction in the American Independent Party is aligned with the national Constitution Party and wanted to nominate Chuck Baldwin for President in 2008. This message comes from this faction’s

Greetings All !

As the properly elected State Chairman of the American Independent Party, I am pleased to announce the Convention and State Central Committee organizational meeting for the party to be held on August 14th and 15th 2010 in Ontario California.

This meeting will be open to all AIP registered voters and any interested individuals of the party. Business will be conducted to determine party officers for the next two years, along with other party business. It is thus a very important meeting to attend. I want to emphasize that EVERYONE who is a valid nominee delegate from the 2010 primary elections, whether for political office or as a county officer will be fully recognized at this convention. Additionally, their 3 appointees to the State Central Committee will also be recognized fully by this convention. This will also include any valid holdover candidates and any other valid voting participant according to the California Election Code.

We abide by the principles of law, and full proper participation. The American Independent Party is your party, and thus acts within the principles of law and democracy.

We additionally welcome the participation and vote of those who may not share our points of view, but have earned their spot as nominees and electors by virtue of the vote and petition of fellow American Independent Party voters throughout the state. Again, let me reiterate my intention… All individuals who have legally merited a right to vote in the convention and committee will be allowed to do so, and all  those willing to attend and meet in peace are welcomed as well. There will be no compromise or discrimination in regards to this.

Although plans are still tentative, and being formed, we intend to meet at the Ayres Hotel in Ontario California on Holt Avenue. It is an absolutely beautiful and stunning location. Although it is a 4 star location, we have negotiated a remarkable room rate of just $99 a night!  There are also other high quality hotels nearby where we have negotiated room rates at even lower prices.

We are intending on having a banquet on Saturday evening. Speaker for the event will be our dynamic AIP candidate for Governor , Chelene Nightingale. The opportunities for fellowship and a truly enjoyable experience, as well as the ability to meet your 2010 candidates makes this a “Can’t Miss” event.

Price for attendance of the meetings will be $60 per person. This is to offset the convention hall rental, and INCLUDES the cost of the banquet. Please review the information below my signature , and plan now to attend the meetings. Our 2010 AIP convention website for the event is

http://www.aip2010convention.blogspot.com

We must know your commitment to attend within the next 7 days for planning purposes. Please email  AIPconvention2010@yahoo.com with your contact information and the number of people that you will have attending. I am looking forward to seeing all of you!

Jim King

Properly Elected AIP State Chairman


172 thoughts on “American Independent Party Factions Hold Rival State Conventions

  1. LibertarianGirl

    11 delegates , um , thats really shitty…maybe the AIP members there know a little something , ill be interested to see who shown up to what seems to be the legit convention

  2. JT

    Where the heck are Grundmann and Seidenberg to continue their never-ending online feud?

  3. Sean Scallon

    It would be easy to think this all about personalities, and a large part of it is, but there are is a big difference between the factions. The Keyes faction are “Declaratists” i.e. they take their inspiration from the Declaration of Independence and really do believe in the Lockean/Rousseau doctrine “that all men are created equal” .

    The Real AIP is aligned with the Constitution Party because they are “constitutionalists” in that they believe in the Constitution and wish to see it actual words on paper be followed by our law making bodies once again.

  4. Trent Hill Post author

    Sean,

    Ideological differences have almost nothing to do with this, to be honest. It’s a personality dispute.

  5. Sean Scallon

    Trent, we’ll have to disagree because I do think there is a difference between the way Keyes supporters view politics and those of the regular CP as mentioned in my last post.

  6. Red Phillips

    Well, the Keyes faction is obviously not sufficiently put off by Keyes’ interventionism and Declarationist neocon rhetoric to reject him, but my impression of the disgruntled Keyes supporters that I talked to at the Convention was that they thought the Party missed an opportunity to nominate a “big name.” Some then precipitated the current division seemingly out of spite. I think they were motivated more by sour grapes than ideology. They left with threats of “you’ll be sorry.”

    But at a higher level Sean is correct. Howard Phillips is a Constitutionalist for example, and he recognized the problems with Keyes’ brand of Declarationism.

  7. Vaughn

    Is this really worth fighting over? These factions agree on the issues for the most part. Why continue to fight over what happened in 2008 over Keyes?

  8. wolfefan

    Vaughn@11 – I think Trent @7 answered your question. When you read the various posts by people on one side or the other of this disagreement, how many are about actual differences on issues and how many are just name-calling?

    Both Don Grundmann and Mark Seidenberg have been polite and helpful to me here, but all they do when they talk about one another or the differences between their respective factions is to repeat the same stuff over and over and over, as if saying it for the 1000th time will convince someone who didn’t buy it the first 999 times. Almost all of their posts could be cut-and-paste jobs from any of a dozen threads on this site alone. Virtually none of their posts discuss specific issues or differences between them in any detail – it’s all about who was at what meeting, or who was kicking who’s chair, or who posts under multiple names, or whatever.

    These things are common in all human organizations, including the LP, the Greens, your local church, the PTA etc. It’s just unusual to watch two grown men play it out in public, seemingly oblivious to how they look to people on the outside of the disagreement. With respect, I think if one or the other could figure out how to ramp down the emotion and ramp up rational discussion of issues un-related to internal party disputes they’d do themselves, their parties, and the cause of liberty a big favor.

  9. safron

    First and foremost The elections of CA only recognize the keyes Faction..Markham Robinson chairman…the CP faction..have no legal right to claim jack Shit. They are delusional and play pretend…by law they are not the recognized faction…and all the play acting in the world won’t make it so. So let these cons play their little games NO ONE cares and in CA with prop 14 passing…the AIP as a party means nada….they won’t have a ballot designated anymore they will have to PLAY WITH THE bigboys and win…on merit and votes and not designation or (affirmative action) as I see it. So let these powerless egotist..pretend in their fantasy world. Chelene Nightingale and her bankruptcy..Fraud game…can you imagine…when or if the news media got a hold of her background..they will dismiss her without hesitation…no doubt her asses that will try and get her a debate with whitman and brown..will tear her to shreds. They would not even want this wack birther on the same stage as it would be an embarassment to any real candidate. After November these pretend narcisstic psychopaths will have to scheme up some new venture. But, the public is tired of fakes. We have real problems and these play actors should get real jobs and devote their lives to something really worthwhile and that would really help others instead of their own need for attention.

  10. Davi Rodrigues

    Independent politics are going to have to find another way to survive after open primaries.
    The AIP and any others will be presiding over the final chapter of third party hope this year. Unfortunately for the AIP, they will have Chelene Nightingale uttering the final words.

  11. Gary Odom

    “But, the public is tired of fakes…”

    Well, that is certainly true. Just wait and see what is going to happen now.

    As far as who the Secretary of State currently recognizes, I will just quote my dear friend and AIP founder, Bill Shearer, who in 1970, when facing a similar situation, said, ” I have long maintained that the leaders of the party are those the members will follow. If the people will not follow you, the blessing of a bureaucrat will not bail you out.”

    He won and we will win. Stay tuned.

    Politics is about cutting people IN, not cutting them out; a lesson Mark Seidenberg apparently never learned during the very brief time that he was acquainted with Bill. I suspect from his behaviour, that Mark didn’t spend much time actually listening to Bill Shearer. Pity.

  12. o dam did I say that?

    Odam, Grow up man!! Are you man? Or a little sissy baby boy. You are a disgrace to mankind. You hollow insincere vindictive un CHRISTIAN Big mouth. You don’t represent anything of merit in society or in the AIP. Why don’t you do something constructive with your pitiful exisitence, beside fan the flame of burning a dead horse. You are not the AIP you have no associatuion with the AIP. Start a Constitution party in CA instead of playing this little girl game of make believe. I hope the the state recognized AIP Robinson etc.. sue your ass. btw you don’t realize some of the people you are vbacking have some serious criminal crimes they are hiding. Crimes that are the most abhorred by society. You need to do a little research before you open your trap about what GREAT Patriots these horrible people are. Yes there is proof. Police records don’t lie.

  13. o dam did I say that?

    btw Nightingalls new name is “Welfare Queen of Palmdale” I don’t like fakes and liars and yes I am harsh but that bitch is one hard rode woman. She says “No one is going to shut me up!) well no one will shut me up either and I will do what I can to discredit this bunch till November. Then I will make myself known. Game on!!

  14. o dam did I say that?

    and as far as these creeps being Christians????? HA HA HA My ass

  15. JT

    Peter: “#3 – OMG, you don’t miss those nuts do you??”

    Not that much, but I do find it kind of entertaining when they snipe back and forth about it ad nauseum for months on end. I don’t know much about Seidenberg but I know Grundmann is a doctor, and a doctor who acts like a child is somewhat interesting.

  16. LibertarianGirl

    OD_ I hope the the state recognized …

    me_ so state recognition reigns supreme does it? ooh the government and state says this so it must be right…ROFLMAO

  17. o dam did I say that?

    laws are laws If the state recongnizes person(s) to be the rightful leaders someone can’t come in and try to change the rules because they (think) they can. This cp group of loser dorks…(I say dorks because if you look at them and listen to them they were the dorks in high school no one wanted to be around.) ITS TRUE!! I personally know several of these people and they are weirdo’s. They want some type of power that the “world” has not alloted to them, so this little venture is their…”class President” I’ll show the world LOOK AT ME NOW MA—– MOMENT….but, really they are the ugly fat dorks they were in high school and beyond….unemployed or under employed so that they cannot fulfill or “self actualize”….its a common occurance for “narcisstic personality disorder” it would be funny if it weren’t so pathetic…and if some of these people did not do crimes against humanity. (remember, its what you do when no one is looking) that gives you character. These people are horrible people in their private personal lives. Hopefully it will be exposed before November.

  18. Mark Seidenberg

    The American Independent Party by its State Central Committee has elected new officers for
    the term of 2010 – 2012. Here is the list.

    Chairman ………. Nathan Sorenson
    Vice Chairman …Mark Seidenberg
    Secretary…………Markham Robinson
    Treasurer…………Alane Queen
    Chaplin…………….Wiley Drake
    Parimentarian….. Patrick Colglazier
    Sergeant at Arms..Vincent May

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party, affiliated with the
    America’s Independent Party, since June 27, 2008.

  19. o dam did I say that?

    mark Seidenberg..what do you think about the fake convention that the CP losers are going to have in August…using the AIP name and likeness to lure people to join dinate etc…?? Can you sue them to cease and desist??

  20. Trent Hill Post author

    “Trent, we’ll have to disagree because I do think there is a difference between the way Keyes supporters view politics and those of the regular CP as mentioned in my last post.”

    I didnt say there wasn’t a different between the way the two groups view politics. I said that wasn’t the operative difference. Many on the Keyes side in California are not declarationists, or werent until the Keyes debacle.

  21. Mark Seidenberg

    TO: Gary Odom,

    Wm Shearer in the early 1960’s when he was a
    Republican was sued for libel and the plaintiff
    make a claim of damages for $160,000. During
    trial the plaintiff attorney’s closing argument.
    He said: “There sits Mr. Shearer. Is he remorseful? Is he sorry? He is not! Would he
    do it all again? You bet he would.”

    Bill Shearer responded in song.
    “Oh, I’m a good old rebel, Now that’s just what I am, And I don’t want no pardon for anything I’ve
    done. And I don’t want no pardon for what I
    was and am. I won’t be reconstructed and I don’t
    give a damn.”

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party, affiliated with the
    America’s Independent Party, since June 27, 2008.

  22. Red Phillips

    Personally I’m not even sure Sidenberg, Robinson. etc. understand what a Declarationist is or understand what the principled objections to Keyes were. (I believe Pastor Drake to be sincere but misguided.) I would be more than happy to be proven wrong if Mr. Sidenberg would care to write a defense of his Declarationist principles, although that would require complete sentences and complete coherent thoughts.

    The creation of a rump faction of the AIP loyal to Keyes was an act of spite by a bunch of sore losers. I’m not sure these clowns are intellectually capable of the nuance required to understand the objections to Keyes. (Again, Pastor Drake excepted.)

  23. CP faction of AIP are the rumps

    The legally State recongnized faction is THE KEYES FACTION. So get your facts straight. The losers the CP is part of the AIP (not) faction are living in a dream world of failure and crimes. Look at their flaccid candidates an unemployed bankrupt (on file) Foreclosed on (taxpayers bailing her out) unemployed uneducated Chelene Nightingale for governor Bill Lussenheide for congress ca-45 a religious nut cult follower, anti-american non voter for 25 years flake. Don Grundman a chiroquacker…(not a real md) with Huge mental problems constantly stalks children under the guise of helping them. Come on open your eyes and look at the real facts. They are the stealers they are the asses they are the problem!

  24. CP faction of AIP are the rumps

    btw keyes was ON THE BALLOT NOT BALDWIN!!! quit whining and quit lying

  25. Vaughn

    Why does it matter now if it was Keyes or Baldwin? Aren’t there better things to be done…like organizing against top 2?

  26. Red Phillips

    Based on the lack of complete sentences I assume “CP faction of AIP are the rumps” is Mr Sidenberg, and his answer didn’t exactly do anything to dissuade me of my opinion of the lack of nuance of the Keyes faction.

    Mr. S., perhaps you would like to, without personal invective, defend the Keyes’ platform against his detractors and tell us why he would have been a superior nominee to Rev. Baldwin. That is if you are capable of coherent logical argument.

  27. wolfefan

    In his magazine “The California Statesman”, January 1986 issue, Shearer wrote an article entitled “Political Parties Have Duty to Present Responsible Image.” How’s that going for, not just Shearer’s AIP, but lots and lots of small parties?

  28. cp faction is the rump of the aip

    First off red, I am not mark s everytime someone posts something Don grundman has said they are mark seidenberg this is false. I am a concerned voter and have been following this debacle since the inception. Are we clear on that? You have listened to the King Rump Don Grundman too much. Also, If you don’t believe that the candidates Chelene Nightingale is a fraud and a lyer investigate yourself..better yet ASK the welfare queen about her decpetion go ahead and ask.

  29. Red Phillips

    OK “cp faction” who is not mark s, I did say without personal invective. Please address the anti-Keyes concerns. Is he not really an interventionist Straussian neocon? If not why not? Thanks. I await your thoughtful reply.

  30. Cody Quirk

    I could swear the Don Lake finally started getting his grammer right.

    Mark, is Don Lake really a member of your AIP state committee?

  31. Cody Quirk

    It would be easy to think this all about personalities, and a large part of it is, but there are is a big difference between the factions. The Keyes faction are “Declaratists” i.e. they take their inspiration from the Declaration of Independence and really do believe in the Lockean/Rousseau doctrine “that all men are created equal” .

    = No, the difference is the Keyes faction is neoconservative and pro-interventionist, or basically they are GOP-lite.

  32. Red Phillips

    “No, the difference is the Keyes faction is neoconservative”

    Cody we are on the same side here, but what is a “neoconservative” philosophically speaking? Think about it. I don’t want to answer yet because I don’t want to do “cp faction’s” work for him.

  33. ........ Love letter to Doctor Donald J. Grundmann [Lake]

    Cody Quirk // Jun 28, 2010:
    ” could swear the Don Lake finally started getting his grammer right……….”

    [a] spell my name right ……….. even when you spell my name right ……….

    [b] any thing, no matter how illogical to keep the opposition off balanced!

    [c] ‘the Don Lake’ oh, ah, em, like ‘THAT Don Lake’

    [d] project your own mistakes [lack of logic, lack of ethics, gross immaturity] on to others —- like you did in California, B4 you were run off of the property ……..

    [e] don lake is a ‘Maroon’

    [f] Coby Banks would be funny, but like Gruntman, it is just so sad ……..

    [g] attn: LibGrrl, don’t be too poor to pay attention ………

  34. Mark Seidenberg

    TO: Cody Quirk

    Don Lake was elected to fill the seat that Dr. Don
    Grundmann left on September 3, 2006. Yes Don Lake is a member the the State Central Committee, thanks to Don Grundmann for his act of September 3, 2006.

    Si9ncerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party, affiliated with the
    America’s Independent Party, since June 27, 2008.

    DO not let any one ever tell you that no one can
    ever tell you that no one can ever follow in the
    foot step of Don Grundmann. Don Lake did, and
    he is doing a good job as a member the American Independent Party State Central Committee

  35. ........ Calling for better, more honest politics [Lake]

    [I liked some of Doctor Grundmann’s 2004 stands. With my support, cooperation, and endorsement he ended up with a partial commendment of the crumbling deform movement / RfP Ca .]

    [ With my discussions on veterans’ problems and [a never used] campaign email address, he ended up with a standing ovation —— Nashville [Tennesse] possibly ——— on abused former military!]

    [He is stumbling and bumbling toward a rubber room and or a super max facility. ]

    [Thank you for the opportunity to promote basic traditional American values, including securing our boarders and not bailing out the rich guys and or the corporate structure!]

    [Thank you for the opportunity to protect the alternative [anti Democan and anti Republicrat] political structure (specifically) and the nation (generally) , from posers and unethical threats like Quirk, Grundmann, and Nightmare Nightingale. ]

    [Like ‘calling out’ ctweber, Doctor George Phillies, and Thomas Knapp, this blocking and fighting and opposing such ‘resident evil’ as Quirk, Grundmann, and Nightingale is my current patriot calling!]

    [Thx Two Marks and an Ed! Thank you!]

  36. Mark Seidenberg

    Follow-up to my posting # 26.

    When Wm Shearer sang for his victory on the issue of the $160,000.00. he did so by his own varant of the “doggerel” of I’M A GOOD OLD REBEL, by Major Innes Randolph, C.S.A. (who
    was a late member of the Maryland State Bar) and on J.E.B. Stuart’s staff during the War Between The States.

    For those that do not know the original song of
    1866, by Major Randolph see the following:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaQO7MFkD0qw

    The published varant by WM Shearer was

    “Oh, I’m a good old rebel,
    Now that’s just what I am,
    And I don’t want no pardon
    for anything I’ve done.
    And I don’t want no pardon
    for what I was and am.
    I won’t be reconstructed,
    and I don’t give a damn.”

    First the Shearer Varant uses “Oh”, while the
    Randolph Original used just “O'”. The Shearer
    Varant uses “give” which is not in the original by
    Major Randolph.

    Source: Nora Fontaine M. Davidson (compiled by), CULLINGS FROM THE CONFEDERCY,
    Washington, D. C., The Rufus H. Darby Printing
    Company, 1903.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party, affiliated with the
    America’s Independent Party, since June 27,
    2008.

  37. wolfefan

    It’s easy to say in a poem that “I don’t want no pardon”, etc., but when push came to shove Randolph gave up his principles and became an attorney, and thus an officer of the courts of the United States of America bound to enforce and obey the 14th amendment.

    Here’s the second verse of Randolph’s song – interesting choice for those who claim to honor Constitutional principles.

    I hates the Constitution,
    This great Republic too;
    I hates the Freedmen’s Buro,
    In uniforms of blue.
    I hates the nasty eagle,
    With all his brag and fuss;
    But the lyin’, thievin’ Yankees
    I hates’ em wuss and wuss.

  38. Red Phillips

    The Keyes faction either needs to distance themselves from Keyes on interventionism and other issues or embrace and defend them. “Na na na … Chelene Nightingale filed for bankruptcy” is neither.

    Keyes attempted to distance himself somewhat from his past interventionism when he was courting the CP (although by no means did he ever repudiate it), but once he lost the nomination he embraced it again wholeheartedly. The fact that the Keyes faction chose to affiliate with the America’s Independent Party, Keyes’ vanity vehicle, nationally which codifies interventionism in its platform suggests to me they either agree with Keyes or consider the matter incidental.

  39. Mark Seidenberg

    More disinformation from King. Now Jim King
    claims that Ed Noonan was elected Chairman of the AIP on September 6, 2006. That would be
    on a Wednesday. The Organization meeting of the State Central Committee is on a Sunday.
    This mean that he can not read a calendar either.

    Remember, Don Grundmann asseverated disinformation also , viz., claiming that he was elected on June 6, 2008. June 27, 2008, and June
    28-29, 2008, vice chairman of the AIP. These are
    impossible dates.

    So Jim King now is giving impossiable dates also.
    Is Jim King playing fast and loose with dates of events to confuse Judge Harrison on the Solano
    Superior Court?

    Now Jim King claims that the term “tw0 years”
    does not mean two years. He claims now the
    terms of office run from Convention to Convention. What a fool.

    Conventions of the AIP are a one day only. They
    adjourn “sin die”. So the Chairman of the AIP
    office can not run from Convention to Convention.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, American Independent Party, affiliated with the
    America’s Independent Party of Fenton, Michigan
    since June 27, 2008

  40. Mark Seidenberg

    I just posted the above and noticed I left out the letter “e”. I am sorry for this error is spelling, but it was just a typing error. It should of stated:
    “adjournment sine die”.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, American Independent Party, affiliated with
    the America’s Independent Party of Fenton, Michigan since June 27, 2008.

  41. Mark Seidenberg

    Wolfefan,

    I remember reading about what the “Freedman’s Buro” or the “Bureau of Refugees, Freemen and
    Abandoned Lands” did to the former Confederate States at the Eleanor S. Brockbrough Library in Richmond, VA. If you have not as yet visited that
    library, I suggest it is the place to be to do reasearch on the War Between the States.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg

  42. ........ Calling for Rational Thot, [Lake]

    “reasearch on the War Between the States.” sincerely, Mark Seidenberg

    Oh, the war of northern aggression ……….

    Save your Dixie Cups, the South will rise again!

    (the voting of the post Civil Right Ole South is still such a factor in politics ……..)

  43. ........ Calling for Rational Thot, [Lake]

    “Jim King now is giving impossible dates also.
    Is Jim King playing fast and loose with dates of events to confuse Judge Harrison on the Solano
    Superior Court?”

    Hey, the same Jim King [formerly] of San Bernardino whom, in 1998, claimed that

    [a] the (ole, decrepit, out of date, out of touch) California American Independent Party was the abused veterans best friend

    [b] all the while turning a blind eye to the worst veterans home in the nation, if not the world, just down the free way (Barstow, and the dead and dying) !

    [c] blatantly stating that an officer of the AIP was an inmate, er, ah, um, resident of the Yountville and he had no complaints —— thus every thing was AOK (whether it was or not!)

    That disconnected lying sack of political poop! *personal experience* like the Sandy Ego ‘one issue’ Real Estate Lawyer (Diane Templin), if it does not involve one pre set particular issue, then Jim King would gladly look you straight in the eye and lie his head off! Again *personal experience* !

  44. Mark Seidenberg

    News from Department 2, Solano Superior Court
    by Judge WM C. Harrison was out with his tenative rulings for June 30th, 2010.

    Judge Harrison did not issue a tenative ruling
    other than order the attorney in this case to be
    heard tomorrow. Therefore, Jim King again is
    a big loser.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, American Independent Party, affiliate with the
    America’s Independent Party of Fenton, Michigan
    since June 27, 2008.

  45. -

    Word has it that The Baldwin Faction (cp) of AIP will carry on with the aip charade through November, when after that, they will try to establish a CA constitution Party..and not associate with the AIP at all. (thank God) thats all they ever really needed to do instead of trying to hijack the AIP.

  46. Don Grundmann

    Red Phillips – I hope you are well at this time. I address this note to you as I start with comment # 57 on this thread and will work to deal with the usual countless lies already put out before now by the usual liars such as Mark Siedenberg and ” The Fool,” i.e.; Don Lake. I will progressive address such lies as I write each upcoming time.

    A) ” safron,” ” o dam did I say that?,” ” CP faction of AIP are the rumps,” ” cp faction is the rump of the aip,” are all fake names with the real author being Mark Seidenberg.

    B) Diane Templin is, like Chelene Nightingale, an extremely honorable, intelligent, noble, and patriotic true woman. Like Chelene, ” The Fool,” as the monstrous idiot that he is, lyingly smears her when she does not follow his dictates or pay attention to his nitwit psychotic ravings. To have such comments made, and I can assure you that these are mild compared to the totally sick comments Seidenberg has made on other threads regarding Chelene, is truly disgusting but it an everyday occurance regarding ” The Fool.”

    C) Red, if someone were to accuse you of being a child molestor and then continuously repeat the lie you would shortly be confronted with multiple people who would claim that the lie was true but they would be distant from the perpetrator who had started the lie. They simply believed what they had heard without question. Similiarly ” The Fool ” accuses Chelene Nightingale of being ” convicted of fraud ” – an outright lie but one which the Robinson/Seidenberg/Noonan criminal gang will simply repeat long enough ( via ” The Fool ” and others ) with the hope that it sticks; like any urban myth. That is their stock-in-trade – they build NOTHING but they lie 24/7/365. They have similarly been telling people that I was kicking the back of Mark Seidenbergs chair in court – a complete, total, and silly lie but one which they tell everyone in order to cover up all of their countless other lies.

    More later. Best to you,

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  47. Grundmann asshole

    Quit lying I am not Mark S you should be sued for your Lies…..quit blaming mark s for anyone that writes about you…someday you will know who I am…Readers I AM NOT MARK SEIDENBERG!!!

  48. pALMDALE WELFARE QUEEN NIGHTINGALE

    Why don’t you send Nightingale some money so she can quit whoring around for money to live on. Grundamn give me your phone number I will prove I am not seidenberg you creepy pedophile

  49. Mark Seidenberg

    Thought the reads would like to see the tenative ruling of Judge WM C. Harrison of Department 2
    of the Solano Superior Court for the Case of King vs. Robinson.

    “KING v. ROBINSON
    Case No. FCS034452 (Related to FCS033119)
    Motion For Preliminary Injuction filed by Plaintiff
    Tenative Ruling Counsel to appear.”

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, American Independent Party, affiliated with the
    America’s Independent Party of Fenton, Michigan, since June 27, 2008

  50. Grundamn is a filthy lying scumbag

    Don Grundman is a liar. He cannot deal with anyone that opposes his fantasy world so he blames Mark S….when all postings. Its a lie and anyone reading this should know that this sick creep dirtbag is a loser and a gay basher. He is a sick demented racist and gay basher.

  51. -

    Mark S what the cp faction is doing by ho9lding this false fake meeting….how can they use the AIP name for this? Is there laws that prohbit this?

  52. Welfare queen of palmdale Nightingale

    How can these people run a fake convention and charge people for it? If the state of CA does not recognize them isn’t it all for naught?

  53. Don Grundmann

    ” It’s just unusual to watch two grown men play it out in public, seemingly oblivious to how they look to people on the outside of the disagreement. With respect, I think if one or the other could figure out how to ramp down the emotion and ramp up rational discussion of issues un-related to internal party disputes they’d do themselves, their parties, and the cause of liberty a big favor.”

    Response – wolfefan – If you A) ever encounter true evil in your life and B) then decide that such evil must be challenged, stopped, and defeated then go back to me at that time and tell me if you are worried about how the battle to stop such evil looks to others outside the battle. I am involved in a battle for the survival of the 3rd party conservative movement in our nation against persons and forces dedicated to permanently destroying that movement. I am challenging the outright evil and corruption of such persons and forces. Hence I have no care about how such a battle ” appears ” to those who believe that they have no care for or stake in such battle; despite the reality that they do have a stake regardless of whether they want to or not. Unfortunately far too many citizens will bow out of any battle lest they not ” look good.” The reality is that there are NO issues ” un-related to internal party disputes ” because the very survival of the party is in the balance. Case in point – the corruption faction of the party ( Robinson/Seidenberg/Noonan ) appointed an outright psychotic, professed atheist, and open promoter of the homosexual practice of ” fisting,” i.e.; Don Lake, to the state Central Committee. Hence a formerly Christian valued political party and the last bastion of morality defense in any political party in the state begins its transformation into one which openly accepts and promotes homosexuality. This is a deliberate action to make sure that no person who wants to escape the corruption and weakness of the Republican Party will, unlike before, find a home in the AIP. This is a deliberate action in response to the demands of the new true controllers of the AIP – the Anti-Defamation League ( ADL ) and the Southern Poverty Law Center ( SPLC ) – domestic espionage specialists, agents of foreign powers, enemies of our Constitution, and enemies of humanity. Mark Seidenberg is an operative of these organizations and Mark Robinson is right in bed with him.

    If you ever decide that you want to get off the sidelines and truly fight to save our nation then give me a call.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  54. Don Grundmann

    ” Welfare queen of palmdale Nightingale ”
    ” – ”
    ” Grundamn is a filthy lying scumbag ”
    ” Grundmann asshole ”
    ” pALMDALE WELFARE QUEEN NIGHTINGALE ”

    The continuation of Mark Seidenberg writing under fake names and even non-names. He is truly a monstrously evil psychotic sociopath.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  55. Mark Seidenberg

    To: Don Grundmann:

    Again with the disinformation. Note Judge Harrison’s tenative ruling. There is no TRO.
    That issue was over on June 8, 2010. It was not
    extended to June 30, 2010 as you claimed in your
    prior disinformation. Also note the Judge Harrison ruled that the prior case FCS033119 is
    related to the later case FCS034452.

    Since you claim to be a dean of a Law School, I do
    not have to explain to you what that means, since
    case # FCS033119 was not appealed.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, American Independent Party, affiliated with the
    America’s Independent Party, since June 27,
    2008

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, American Indepe

  56. Don Grundmann

    As just one example of the corruption of the Robinson/Seidenber/Noonan criminal gang – Ernest Vance, 20 year member and Chairman for the last 4 years of the Sacramento County Central Committee, was denied entry to the fake AIP Sacramento “convention ” by Robinson who told him that his term of office ended on June 8th – the same day he was legally elected to the Central Committee as the only ballot qualified applicant in Sacramento County. Why did Robinson do this? Answer – to ban anyone who would vote against his corruption.

    Hence the criminal gang of Robinson did what we knew, and predicted, that they would do all along – selectively ban any opposition from the ” convention ” despite their legal right to vote.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  57. Welfare Queen of Palmdale Nightingale

    Don Gruntfag, IF THE AIP is holding a convention in August How then could the convention that was just held…deny anyone? Are you still making shit up ? Tell the truth you freak. So is the AIP convention just held real or is the august one real? (just want to hear this pedophile conjur up an answer)

  58. Mark Seidenberg

    Don Grundmann,

    Ernest Vance, was not elected to the Sacramento
    County Central Committee on June 8th, 2010. He
    was not on the ballot. Like your mother, Ina Grundmann there was less than the a full slate
    for County Central Committee, therefore the
    Board of Supervisors will have to meet to determine if Ernest Vance (Sacamento) and
    Ina Grundmann (Alameda) are “demend elected”.

    At the request of Ernest Vance, the Sacramento County Central Committee will take place on Tuesday, August 10, 2010 and at the request of
    Patrick Colglazier, the Alameda County Central
    Committee meeting will take place on August 12,
    2010.

    You have not been on the State Central Committee
    since September 2, 2008. You have never been a
    Vice Chairman of the American Independent Party. Former Chairman Ed Noonan removed you
    from office as an area director of the party.

    The Convention of the American Independent
    Party at the RED MANS HALL on June 26, 2010
    was not a real convention. It was designated by
    the State Central Committee.

    Ask your mother if she can attend the AIP Central Committee in Oakland on August 12, 2010.

    Please have your mother write Mr. Robinson that
    she plans to attend (or not) and inform him of any
    American with Dissibility Act issues we need to address the County of Alameda with those ADA issues.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, American Independent Party

    Robinson

  59. Don Gruntmanns Mother

    Donnie why haven’t you moved out and started a normal life. I am tired of having you listen to Michael jackson and look at Playgirl all day. Please donnie, do something worthwhile with your life…I cannot continue to cook lima beans and oatmeal for you. I love you donnie, but you need to move on.

  60. ........ Calling for Rational Thot and thank you, [Lake]

    Liar on all accounts:

    “( Robinson/Seidenberg/Noonan ) appointed an outright psychotic, professed atheist, and open promoter of the homosexual practice of ” fisting,” i.e.; Don Lake, to the state Central Committee………”

    Remember, Nightmare Nightingale, gets endorsements from dead people

    Remember, Gruntman has repeatedly threatened physical assault on a number of individuals

    Remember, Space Cadet Captain Cody Banks Quirk easily criticizes those on his own personal enemies list, for their ‘grammer’

  61. Donnie's Mother (ala psycho)

    scene: (shadow of old woman rocking in chair, room dimly lit)
    woman: “Donnie!! Donnie!!
    DG: “Yes, Mother WHAT is it now?? I am on the computer, can it wait?
    Mother: Donnie, Please untie me, I promise not to disagree with you…Pleaasee doonie…I need to make pee”
    DG: Shut up mother!! Shut up!! shut up!!! shut up!! you are conspiring with Mark Seidenberg aren’t you??

    (Dg moves closer to his mother who is now covering her head with an old quilt.

    DG: I have had it with you mother!! All these years you atopped me from being a normal man. I want to marry Chelene she is my soulmate!!”

    Mother: ‘DONNIE NOOOO not her NOOO (cough cough) DON !!!! don!!! you are breaking my heart….

    (to be continued)

  62. Donnies Mother (ala psycho)

    Scene: DG’s mother is coughing and upset about his professing love for Chelene)
    (sound of knocking on front door)

    DG: “who’s there!!”
    (knock gets louder)
    (DG walks to door and opens it)
    (police officer appears)

    police: “Excuse me, we have a report of loud shouting and crying sir, is there a problem?”

    DG: “Um, no that was just me.
    Police: “you were crying and yelling alone?”

    DG: “oh yeah, I do it all the time, its part of the primal scream I teach at my wellness center.”

    (Police officer scratches his head and looks aghast)

    Police: “We need to take a look around, do you mind.?”

    DG: “Yyyess, yess ,,, I do mind!! You you get out..I know my rights..I am Vice chairman of the constitution party and I know my constitional rights!!”

    (Police officer moves his right hand to his gun holster)

    to be continued…

  63. Mark Seidenberg

    Now Jim King is claiming that the term of Office
    is not a 730 day two-year period (or during a leap
    year period it is 731 day period). He further claims that “the term of office is two years between convention to convention”.

    This is so off the wall it is absurd. Each convention is one day long. They meet on a
    Saturday. After the convention ends it is adjurned
    “sine die”. so a term of office can not be between
    conventions.

    Question when is two years not two years. Answer, when Jim King wanted to mean something .

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party

  64. ........ Calling for Rational Thot and thank you, [Lake]

    # 74 Learn more about Aaron Russo

    * PER CHELENE WARD NIGHTINGALE

    o Date of birth: February 14, 1943

    o Profession: Politician, Activism

    o Films written: America: Freedom to Fascism

    o Films produced: America: Freedom to Fascism, Partners, …

    o Member of: Cold War Spies

    o Date of death: August 24, 2007

    ENDORSEMENT BY NIGHTMARE NIGHTINGALE’s OFFICIAL SITE CLAIMED IN MID 2010, ALMOST THREE YEARS AFTER HIS DEATH!

    LIB GRRL ????????? LIB GRRL ?????????

  65. LibertarianGirl

    AAron Russo had ALOT more films produced than that silly , maybe you dont know who he is. Trading Places , The Rose with Bette Midler, Aaron is also one of the most genuine and nice guys Ive ever met.

  66. ........ Calling for Rational Thot and thank you, [Lake]

    Mark Seidenberg // Jun 29, 2010:
    “………. so off the wall it is absurd ………. when is two years not two years. Answer, when Jim King wanted to ……….”

    [Lake: The same Jim King (1998) whom tells Citizens For A Better Veterans Home and the world that the old corrupt lying California AIP cares about abused veterans ??????? All the while various wards of the state were dying of neglect ????????? King: every thing is hunkie dorrie! Really: multiple incidents and even DEATHS, leading to the 2001 – 2002 with drawl of $11M of federal funding due to lack of quality care. This was only the second time in federal history and of the almost 200 state care campuses!]

    [With ‘friends’ like GOP mole Mister and Mrs King, abused veterans and 21st Century patriots do not need enemies!’

  67. LibertarianGirl

    Shes probably just stretching the truth like she went to his screening and he was all ” i like you , you should get in politics” . 3 years later she says he endorsed her, ya its a stretch thats for sure , Grundman?

  68. Don lake Rocks

    censorship is alive and well and living on this site….:0 isokay my point was taken. 🙂 Still think I’m mark s don G? think again

  69. Don Grundmann

    ” Welfare Queen of Palmdale Nightingale,” i.e; Mark Seidenberg ( yet again ) – The fake AIP ” convention ” of the last weekend relied on denying the right to vote to any opponents of the criminal Robinson gang. The convention of the REAL AIP in August will, as with traditional AIP conventions, allow all who can vote to attend and will also allow all interested parties of both the AIP and any other parties to attend and participate. In contrast to the ” convention ” of the Robinson criminal gang we will deny entrance to no one; including the evil traitors of the Robinson gang. So yes, Mark – you can come too.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  70. Don Grundmann

    ” Ernest Vance, was not elected to the Sacramento
    County Central Committee on June 8th, 2010. He
    was not on the ballot. Like your mother, Ina Grundmann there was less than the a full slate
    for County Central Committee”

    Response – Another outright lie by Mark Seidenberg. A) There was not a full slate for County Central Committee in the entire state. B) Ernest and my mother both got the valid number of signatures to qualify for the Central Committee. Neither was notified (as with so many others ) of the so called Sacramento ” convention ” and Ernest was denied entry at the door by Robinson even though he was elected. Yet again, Mark, you demonstrate your profound and utter corruption.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  71. Don Grundmann

    ” Ask your mother if she can attend the AIP Central Committee in Oakland on August 12, 2010.”

    Response – Properly elected and appointed Alameda Central Committee members – Ina Grundmann, Ivan Chou, Heidi Parodi, and myself – will be holding the Alameda County Central Committee meeting. Patrick Colglazier is a representative of the corruption faction Robinson criminal gang of the AIP and is not recognized by the Alameda County Central Committee.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  72. Don Grundmann

    ” Please have your mother write Mr. Robinson that
    she plans to attend (or not) and inform him of any
    American with Dissibility Act issues we need to address the County of Alameda with those ADA issues.”

    Response – Mark Seidenberg – Mrs. Grundmann recognizes that Mark Robinson and yourself represent the corruption faction of the AIP. She recognizes that Jim King is the true and duly elected Chairman of the party and hence will address all questions to him. She additionally recognizes that fake ” Chairman ” Robinson actively worked to deny her right to vote at the recent fake ” convention ” of the AIP.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  73. ........ Calling for Rational Thot and thank you LibGrrl, [Lake]

    LibertarianGirl // Jun 29, 2010:
    “Aaron Russo had ALOT more films produced than that silly ………..”

    [who is the ‘silly’ ——- fact, California’s answer to the Nevada fraudulent tea farty candidate, Chelene Ward Nightingale , claimed QUITE RECENTLY that Mister Russo endorsed her 2010 run! The DEAD Aaron Russo!]

    ” maybe you dont know who he is.”

    [Lake: check google. My recent search brought forth two nearly identical photo graphs with a bald dude —— in both cases, possibly Don Lake]

    “Trading Places , The Rose with Bette Midler, ”

    [Lake: yeah, and Led Zepplin, and you point is ????????????]

    “Aaron is also one of the most genuine and nice guys Ive ever met.”

    [Lake: and your point is ……….]

  74. Inapickle

    When will chelene Nightingale come clean about her nafarious past. When will the Voters of CA know the truth about this woman and her dealings with criminals. Will the media have to told and shown the documents. She does have a choice. Fess up, or be outed to the media.

  75. Don Grundmann

    ” Remember, Nightmare Nightingale, gets endorsements from dead people”

    Response – A) Another nitwit statement unless it involves people who endorsed Chelene and then died; like Jerry Denham. B) Even if true it shows that dead people have more taste, intelligence, honor, integrity, and class than ” The Fool.”

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  76. Don Grundmann

    ” Inapickle,” i.e; Mark Seidenberg ( yet again ) – Yes, Mark. It is true. She has dealt with criminals – you, Mark Robinson, and Ed Noonan. If you had any proof of such a
    ” nafarious past ” you would have printed it long ago. But you don’t so you haven’t. You simply continue to lie since, for you, lying is your oxygen. To go one second without lying is, for you, to choke to death.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  77. Inapickle

    dear los Angeles times…SB times San francisco examer….etc….AIp candidate fraud Chelene Nightingale’s bankruptcy filing and disclosures….

  78. Don Grundmann

    ” [With ‘friends’ like GOP mole Mister and Mrs King, abused veterans and 21st Century patriots do not need enemies!’”

    Response – Jim King, and especially the Veterans Coalition of the CP, have done more to support veterans than you, ” The Fool, ” have ever done. The REAL AIP of Chairman King continues to fight for veterans at every possible opportunity. In doing so the REAL AIP will have nothing to do with a fake and fraudulent defender of veterans ( who by his actions in support of corruption actually betrays them ) like ” The Fool.”

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  79. Don Grundmann

    ” Inapickle ” / Mark The SeidenRAT – Don’t forget to tell the newspapers about your own criminal conspiracy to file fake documents with the state. Thousand of people file for bankruptcy. Only 3 have deliberately filed fake papers with the SOS office to deceive it regarding the true status of the AIP. People who file for bankruptcy are not criminals. People who conspire to deceive the state by filing false documents ARE criminals.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  80. Inapickle

    and sure is not criminal to file for foreclosure (taypayer bailout) bankruptcy (can’t manage own finances) but it is a sign of not be very bright and NOT be a viable candidate to run a state.. Gee was that so hard to see rofl

  81. Inapickle

    Stop Playing stupid. I guess you have to be in denial in order to back such a person. You’ll see the embarassment her hiding this crap from the public will be. She is a silly loud mouthed fool. She is not fooling anyone and she knows it. Her campaign knows it too.

    good night

  82. Don Grundmann

    Shes probably just stretching the truth like she went to his screening and he was all ” i like you , you should get in politics” . 3 years later she says he endorsed her, ya its a stretch thats for sure , Grundman?

    Response – LibertarianGirl – I have not kept up with all of Chelenes endorsements and especially not the manner in which she received them. On basic principles the REAL AIP of Chairman King, and especially expressed through candidates such as myself and Chelene, is totally opposed to the corruption and scandal/scam/swindle of the Federal Reserve System and its American Mafia enforcement arm of the IRS. I met Mr. Russo before his passing and believe that the positions of the REAL AIP are in complete harmony with the political expressions of Mr. Russo in regard to his wonderful film ” From Freedom to Fascism.”

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  83. Don Grundmann

    ” Inapickle ” – Mark, can you for once, just once, stop writing under your fake name(s)? Can you stop being such a continuous coward? Prediction – No. It is your character and nature.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  84. LibertarianGirl

    um im gonna back Lake on this– how could Russo possibly endorse Chelene for a race that she never entered till years after his death?
    maybe he liked her , maybe they were friends , but endorse her for Governor , theres just no way…

  85. LibertarianGirl

    DG_I met Mr. Russo before his passing and believe that the positions of the REAL AIP are in complete harmony with the political expressions of Mr. Russo in regard to his wonderful film ” From Freedom to Fascism.”

    me_ I believe that , the LP also is in complete harmony with that movie , it was a masterpiece as was Aaron , however that is a different matter than an endorsement. Does Chelene claim Aaron endorsed her?

  86. Don Grundmann

    ” Does Chelene claim Aaron endorsed her?”

    Response – LibertarianGirl – I do not know.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  87. wolfefan

    Hi Dr. Grundmann @66 – Thanks for your reply. I think that evil exists in many forms and in many places. We all oppose it in our own ways, depending upon where we are and the gifts we’ve been given. I live entirely across the country from California, so the evils that are immediate and apparent to me will be different than yours as will what I can do to respond.

    You should, of course, respond as you feel led. If you believe that repetitive postings on this site are the best way to do that, then that’s fine. Another person on this site has his own website dedicated to a cause that is important to him that appears not to have been updated since 2004. He has decided that posting dozens of times a day here is a better use of his time. That’s fine, too.

    My point was merely that after reading the back-and-forth between you and others here for over a year I have no idea of specific policy differences between you all. I know about claims of corruption and chair kicking and the like. Your own website has lots of specific policy thoughts and ideas; I’m sorry that none of that kind of discussion makes it over here. Speaking for myself, I would rather you and Mark S. argue about policy than about who is posting under what name or which meeting was official and which was not. Those kinds of arguments can’t persuade anyone here because none of us were actually there and have any way to judge. None of your actual message gets out over here except that they are corrupt and you are not. I understand that’s important to you, but I have no real way to judge. The same applies to the other side as well.

    Nevertheless if you think this is the best way to oppose the evil that confronts you, then that is what you must do and I wish you well in it.

  88. I am not mark Seidenberg

    Chelene Nightingale doesn;’t know what the hell she believes. If you listen and read what she says she contradicts herself. She is not even Pro-life. (she won’t answer she dances around that one) and she is pro gay marriage I read where she wrote that she does not believe the government should tell people who they can/cannot marry. She is a flake. Changes with the wind~ and in four months she will reinvent again after she gets spanked by the real gov. winner. All these dorks playing a game after they all lose…they will have to find another game. AIP won’t be important to them anymore and they will find another group to torture and harass.

  89. Mark Seidenberg

    Jim King lost again in Court today. The case is KING vs ROBINSON. Jim King is not the Chairman of the AIP. Markham Robinson is the
    current Chairman and he will be replaced soon by
    the new chairman Nathan Sorenson. The state
    convention for 2010 has passed. The events of August 14 and 15, 2010 that Jim King is talking about has nothing to do with the AIP.

    In fact the AIP Convention and State Central Committee has voted to not let the Secretary of State or the State Printer list next to listings for Governor, Lt. Governor, Secretary of State, or State Insurance Commission the label “American Independent” on the November, 2010 ballot.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, American Independent Party, affiliated with the
    America’s Independent Party of Fenton, Michigan
    (National Affiliate), since June 27, 2008

  90. I am not mark Seidenberg

    WHOA!!! MAJOR VICTORY!!! Thats what you get in jacker jacks!! okay well, thats what these frauds deserve. Let the LAW SPEAK for itself…sidenote:( Mark Seidenberg, I have use the “I am not mark seidenberg as my post name as grundamn keeps accusing me of being you) hope you don’t mind…

  91. I am not mark Seidenberg

    I guess that group can have Bozo party printed next to their names on the ballot in November….:0

  92. I am not mark Seidenberg

    Also don’t forget Bill Lussenheide for congress ca-45 he is a huge part of this rouge hijackers…he should not have the label AIP BY HIS NAME ON THE BALLOT IN NOVEMBER either.

  93. Mark Seidenberg

    To: “I am not mark Seidenberg”

    It is my view that the issue of Bill Lussenheide is
    an issue for the Riverside County Central Committee of the AIP to deal with.

    If you are an AIP registered voter for 3 month and
    live in Riverside County please send me a e-mail
    hakohen3@yahoo.com

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, American Independent Party, affiliated with
    the America’s Independent Party, of Fenton, Michigan (National Affiliate), since June 27,
    2008

  94. Mark Seidenberg

    TO: wolfefan,

    I know what a PDF is. I know how to open one if I
    receive one in the e-mail. I do not know how to post a PDF file or create one. I do not have a link to the ruling on line by Judge Wm. C. Harrison of
    Department 2, Solano County Superior Court in
    Fairfield, CA.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, American Independent Party, affiliated with the
    America’s Independent Party of Fenton, Michigan
    (National Affiliation) since June 27, 2008

  95. Mark Seidenberg

    TO: “I am not mark Seidenberg”

    Our current leader in Riverside County is Matt Monica.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, American Independent Party, affiliated with the
    America’s Independent Party of Fenton, Michigan,
    since June 27, 2008.

  96. The Gruntman Syndrome, [Lake]

    Not ballot access
    on West Coast:
    ‘Pot Party’
    ‘Week End Party’
    ‘Going Away Party’

    Mark Seidenberg // Jun 30, 2010
    To: [The Artist Formerly Known as Prince and ]“I am not Mark Seidenberg” ………

    Our current leader in Riverside County is Matt Monica. [Lake: and Sand Berdoo / San Bernandino ?????? and Sandy Ego County, where our *humor* unofficial motto is ‘follow us folks; we are right behind you!’ …… ?????????]

  97. The Gruntman Syndrome, [Lake]

    I am not mark Seidenberg // Jun 30, 2010:
    “Bill Lussenheide for congress ca-45, a huge part of this rouge hijackers…he should not have the label AIP BY HIS NAME ON THE BALLOT IN NOVEMBER either …….”

    [Lake: could not agree more. I know this guy is adored by Quirk Boy and Nightmare Nightingale, but I am ashamed the ‘grunts and groans’ emanating from the tele phone were allowed to stay in ‘Air Farce’ for over two decades!]

  98. I am not mark Seidenberg

    Where’s donnie gruntman, trying to conjur up a comeback to this major defeat I presume. NO AIP on the ballot for these fakes. THE TRUTH PREVAILS~

  99. I am not mark Seidenberg

    NEW NAME lets see….new name for the frauds… how about Constipation party (the party of “hard” polices?)

  100. The Gruntman Syndrome, [Lake]

    stranger and strangest:

    *memory item* I believe it was Lib Grrl whom recently (on IPR) originally brought that to our attention. Some one else mentioned that her spouse has / had self described him self as either ‘Hustler’ or ‘Huster’.

    I have been unable to view either one [face book, my space ……..] today. I do not know if such claims never existed or were taken down after controversey arose.

    *memory* Lib Grrl: ‘so Nightingale is endorsed by Aaron Russo, and she is (also) fine with shooting an unarmed weed dealer in the back ??????’ (or words to that affect ….)

    Having met the guy, and knowing that he passed on in 2007 ………. I’m just saying …….

    But what do I know, according to quirk boy I am a ‘Maroon’! (such ‘grammer’, lad)

  101. The Gruntman Syndrome, [Lake]

    Lake: Blank or appointed replace ment ?????

    If this breath of fresh air is a ‘done deal’ and ‘set in concrete’ then it should be shouted from the roof tops: like the grass roots Iranians do at sun set —– also against the corrupt (soon to be former) establishment!

    ” The events of August 14 and 15, 2010 that Jim King is talking about has nothing to do with the [California] AIP ……….”

    “the AIP Convention and State Central Committee has voted to not let the Secretary of State or the State Printer list next to listings for Governor, Lt. Governor, Secretary of State, or State Insurance Commission the label “American Independent” on the November, 2010 ballot.”

  102. Don Grundmann

    ” I have no idea of specific policy differences between you all. I know about claims of corruption and chair kicking and the like. Your own website has lots of specific policy thoughts and ideas; I’m sorry that none of that kind of discussion makes it over here. Speaking for myself, I would rather you and Mark S. argue about policy than about who is posting under what name or which meeting was official and which was not.”

    Response – wolfefan – Thank you for your thoughtful letter. The specific policy differences between myself and Mark Seidenberg boil down to 3 areas. !st – foreign policy. The specific reason for the attack of Mark upon the AIP was to sever it from the CP and the reason for this is the non-interventionist policy of the CP which desires true Constitutional, i.e.; congressional, approval for involvement of the nation in foreign wars. The CP is under attack, just like the Reform Party was and by the same people including Mark Seidenberg, because it could be a potential threat to the Republican Party and also ( and especially ) because its belief in extracting our nation from continuous undeclared wars could gain credibility and threaten those who stand to gain by our continuous involvement in war. Mark is hence a representaive of and agent for those forces which desire our nation to be involved in such continuous warfare. 2) Domestic policy – As a secondary avenue to discourage involvement in the CP ( and in the AIP ) its ability to draw Christian conservatives away from the Republican Party must be compromised; i.e; it must smell bad enough to drive away Christian conservatives. The idea is to make the party into a no growth stagnant pool of political energy which, like a parasite, will suck the energy and life out of the conservative movement so that the enemies of the nation will no longer have any conservative opposition. This process of making the party ” smell bad ” has been initiated by taking the AIP, a formerly conservative party representing Christian values, and appointing an outright psychotic, professed atheist, and open promoter of homosexual perversion, to the state Central Committee of the party. Hence the party is being remade into the image of, and acceptable to, the handlers/controllers of Mark Seidenberg, known as the Anti-Defamation League ( ADL ) and representative of liberal Judaism which celebrates, endorses, and promotes homosexual perversion. The complete replacement of the original values of the party has begun. Only on the surface will such values be imitated and faked in order to dupe potential supporters that the AIP is still Christian. Like its current ” Chairman ” Robinson the AIP, as a Christian party, has been turned into a complete fake by him. In reality the AIP as a Christian party is dead. 3rd – The AIP was formerly a completely honorable party. It is now the complete opposite. Robinson and Seidenberg have openly conspired to file fake documents with the SOS office and have successfully done so. No previous officer(s) of the AIP would ever have committed such outright corruption. The officers, for whatever other skills they may have lacked, were not outright criminals, both moral and literal. They would never have dreamed of committing the corruption and criminality which Robinson and Seidenberg do on a daily basis. Hence the foundations of the party have been virtually destroyed. It is the AIP in name only. It is now, hands down, the most corrupt political party in the state, with the most corrupt party officers in the state, and with Ed Noonan as the most corrupt candidate for any office in the history of the state. It is virtually destroyed and this has been done on purpose by enemies of our nation who desire the end of our Constitutional Republic and our enslavement under the world government which they are working to build.

    wolfefan – There really is no ” arguing ” with evil over ” policy.” It is the ” policy ” of evil to produce the maximum death and destruction that it can. This is its 24/7/365 objective.

    Lastly I confront Mark Seidenberg regarding his writing under multiple fake names because he, like Don Lake, hopes that by the tactic of repeating lies continuously they will ” take on a life of their own.” The corrupt AIP of Robinson and Seidenberg presents no true vision for the future. They, as with Don Lake, only lie about and tear down others as their ” accomplishment. They continuously repeat their lies against Chelene Nightingale in the singular evil hope of destroying her wonderful candidacy; a candidacy and campaign of true hope for our nation.

    I address their corrupt ” meetings/conventions ” to illustrate their criminality in many aspects inclusive of denying the right to vote to those who oppose their corruption.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  103. I am not mark seidenberg

    Guess the judges on the king case are corrupt as are anyone that disagrees with your insanity Don g. King lost the AIP will not let Chelene Nightingale use the AIP party name and others.. so corrupt the whole world is against you. (paranoid to the extreme) You should really take a good look at yourself grundamn as you are so far gone in denial its really frightening. That you can post this blithering nonsense should be an embarassment. I feel pity and hopelessness for you as you are a far gone case and will continue to bash gays on street corners and harass innocent people WHO HAVE A RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH which you have tried to squash.

  104. Don Grundmann

    ” Journalist ”
    ” I am not mark seidenberg ”

    2 more fake names that Mark Seidenberg writes under.

    ” harass innocent people WHO HAVE A RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH which you have tried to squash.”

    Response – Mark – I have never even attempted to deny the right of free speech to anyone. Hence you are, yet again, lying. YOU, on the other hand, have in fact denied the right to vote to those who were qualified to do so – Ernest Vance, David Christenson, Jerry Leidecker, and many others. You are a moral and literal criminal – in addition to being a continuous coward by writing under all of your fake names.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  105. The Liar, Liar, Liar Donnie Gruntmante' Syndrome, [Lake]

    Don Grundmann // Jun 30, 2010:
    “I have never even attempted to deny the right of free speech to anyone ……….”

    Lying sack of shit: multiple threats of physical violence! You are the poster boy for Anti First Amendment Thugs!

    Just like ‘lay off of (Lake: Nightmare) Nightingale and her bank rupcy’ (or words to that affect)! It is her FRAUD connected to her bank ruptcy! (None are so blind that do not wish to see!)

    Are you expecting cards and letters when you land in Corcoran and or Leavenworth ????????? Gifts? Cakes? Files in the gifts and cakes ?????????

    I LIVE to see what happens to you and Quirk Boy in the next few years!

  106. The Liar, Liar, Liar Donnie Gruntmante' Syndrome, [Lake]

    “AIP was formerly a completely honorable party”

    One more Gruntman lie! The 21st Century saw the AIP, what ever its former strengths or weak nesses, erode to a ‘family and friends’ GOP oriented cabal! Top down not bottom up!

    Insular, mysdirected, dysfuntional (as in dishonest) to the max!

    Insular: if you could not get a royal audience with the power elite, then you could grow old and cold in the waiting room. *humor* there were disability and retirement checks delivered to those in the waiting line *humor*

    Mysdirected: what ever the official paradyme or platform pronouncements, the party was a one issue band and every thing else was only lip service.

    Dishonesty: Beyond the general lie (‘Constitution Party’ ??????????? Hah!) there are/ was the end less parade of smaller non truths. Grand marshals include Nightmare Nightingale, Cody Banks, Doctor Gruntman!

  107. The Liar, Liar, Liar Donnie Gruntmante' Syndrome, [Lake]

    LibertarianGirl // Jun 30, 2010:
    ” you [Don Lake] LIVE to see what happens to them?? thats a pretty shitty life , try living for something else…”

    (at least I am not ‘too poor to pay attention’!)

    Helpling blocking President Gerald Ford; President Jimmy Carter; President Bush 41; California Governor / Presidential Hopefull Pete ‘No Repeat’ Wilson; Presidential California Governor Gray Davis; Mayor Rodger Hedgecock / state felon; Mayor Steve Padilla; Mayor (Judge) Richard Murphy; Council member Donna Frye; Congress member / federal prisoner Puke Cunningham; John Geridendi state aid, Kiddie Porn King, federal prisoner Wade Sanders!

    Shitty, yet, well I am a proud camper. And the only shit that I see or smell in my neck of the woods is from local bears! Shitty ????????

    What has Cody done, besides making electronic goo goo eyes at you and yell ‘spell my name right’ when, in fact, log ons have done so! He also uses ‘grammer’ to complain of others’ grammar ????? (You must be sooooooo proud!)

    And Nightingale, and Grundmann, and Lussenheide ????????? Talk about stinkie! (You must be soooooooooooo proud!)

  108. journalist

    Biggest sour grapes I have ever witnessed. This all goes back to Keyes being selected instead of Baldwin in 08.
    They can’t get over it and so tried to hijack it and now tries to defame it. Unfortinately for Nightingale Lussenheide and others who tied their string to the Wrong faction the “faction that is flaccid and has no say. The AIP that the state acknowledges IS the Robinson faction they hold the power over how the party is run. So all of gruntmans proclaimations mean diddley squat. Seideberg was being polite to grundman yesterday saying that grundmans mother could contact them and still be a part of the AIP, but grundman has to spoil it all. Gruntman should stop is false accusations and make nice. I am sure his mother does not want him to be blithering on and I know he listens to his mother. Grundman don’t make your mother suffer..let her belong to the aip.

  109. 'No, no, no' Syndrome, [Lake]

    Journalist // Jun 30, 2010:
    “rantings of nut! case closed”

    No, no, no! Is Nightmare Nightingale OFFICIALLY off of the California American Independent Party ballot for November ???????

    [apologies to Lib Grrl, that was just a shitty project to participate in! Why can’t we all just hold hands and sing ‘Kumbi Ya’ around the camp fire??????? Right Mau, Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Tojo, Pol Pot ????????? ]

    [Remember Gruntman claims not to have paid taxes in years / decades and has threatened numerous folks with physical harm. I guess you approve of such ‘manly manliness’! Lib Grrl, the progressives’ progressive!]

  110. journalist

    Not sure Don lake mark s said they have contacted the state etc… about removing the AIP from their ballot designation. What a friggen mess. All these jerks had to do was play nice. Personally I think Don grundman stirred the pot for this whole mess if these dummies lose out its his fault. He can’t NO FOR AN ANSWER. probably why he isn’t married. he is a very strange dude. Check out his wearing a devils outfil on youtube (its online) type in Don grundman. Shows him harassing gays with signs and wering a devils outfit. Funny cause this guy calls others eveil yet he dresses up like the devil. DR FREUD WHERE ARE YOU!!!!!! (I need a drink and a smoke)

  111. 'No, no, no' Syndrome, [Lake]

    [a] well I appreciate a whole lot of California AIP paradymes, even as a P&Fer and reformist. Sacramento’s ‘wide spectrum back ground’ Phil Sawyer, a former reformer, P&Fer, and AIPer feels similarly.

    [b] Grundmann was worthy of support in 2004, but …………… (sad, so sad)

    [c] Can unreasonable people be reasonable ??????

    [d] Can these folks get a grip that the harder they work the more opposition they beat out of the bushes ??????? All together now class, ‘counter productive’!

    [e] Gruntman, acts like the devil!

    [f] Herr Freud, Daughter, and Herr Karl Marx are all in London. (Freud allowed fans to spirit him and PhD Shrink Anna out of Austria while leaving other close relatives to be shipped to ‘the camps’ / what a 20th Century Saint —- not!)

  112. 'Thx for the bi line' Syndrome, [Lake]

    oops snap! It’s a Lib – Lib off …………

    Libertarian Man of Mystery
    I used to pretend to be a gorgeous blonde “libertarian girl”, but the hoax has been unmasked.
    libertariangirl.typepad.com/ – Cached – Similar

    Libertarian Girl Unmasked
    Feb 16, 2005 … The Libertarian Girl blog was authored by the girl you see in the thumbnail to the right. Or so it seemed. A lot of people were suspicious. …
    http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/…/libertarian_girl_unmasked/ – Cached – Similar
    Libertarian Girl Mystery | The Distributed Republic

    Feb 13, 2005 … Ever since ‘she’ began blogging, people accused Libertarian Girl of being a fraud. Her critics claimed that a libertarian blog run by a young, …
    http://www.distributedrepublic.net/…/02/…/libertarian-girl-mystery/ – Cached – Similar

    Half Sigma: About “Libertarian Girl”

    Oct 3, 2005 … “Libertarian Girl” was a successful blogger (Original Libertarian Girl blog at Blogspot and renamed Libertarian Man of Mystery blog at …
    http://www.halfsigma.com/2005/10/i_am_libertaria.html – Cached – Similar
    #
    Megan McArdle’s Hypocrisy Exposed: Portrait Of A Libertarian As A …

    Aug 6, 2009 … “The McArdle girl? She calls herself a libertarian? You really are a funny guy!” By 1991, Megan was on her way to Penn U., where she would …
    exiledonline.com/megan-mcardles-hypocrisy-exposed-portrait-of-a-libertarian-as-a-taxpayer-subsidized-brat/ –

  113. LibertarianGirl

    For christs sake , Im not that LibertarianGirl , altho I was using the name long befor the jackass MAN who starting blogging under my handle

  114. journalist

    Word UP!! AIP HAS CHOSEN TO NOT HAVE A GOVERNOR CA CANDIDATE IN NOVEMBER. Chelene Nightingale for governor 2010 is BEING taken off the ballot per the AIP STATE CENTRAL COMMITTEE!!
    Wow…I am not lying Mark Seinberg just posted this news. Well, lets see how they plan on dealing with this issue.(The cp faction)

  115. Don Grundmann

    “I have never even attempted to deny the right of free speech to anyone ……….”

    Lying sack of shit: multiple threats of physical violence! You are the poster boy for Anti First Amendment Thugs!

    Response – to ” The Fool ” – Since you are ” The Fool,” an idotic moronic nitwit, you cannot make the simple distinction between A) I have never done anything to deny your First Amendment Rights nor encourage anyone else to do so; and B) your continuous non-stop lying about Chelene demonstrates that you, as a disgrace to the human race, truly and richly deserve to have the crap knocked out of you. Simply for your perpetuation and embodiment of, support for, and endorsement of evil. There is a difference between A) and B) but you are simply too stupid to understand this.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  116. Ralph K. Swanson

    I’m completely confused as to who’s who in the zoo. It would help if someone could summarize who is with which group and what they represent.

  117. Open Comment from California ..... Lake

    You can not claim to be a First Amendment advocate while threatening your ‘unfriends’ with physical violence.

    Oh, hmmmmmmmm, well with your twisted, Darth Vader world view, may be your are the tortuous exception that ‘proves’ the rule!

  118. Don Grundmann

    ” It would help if someone could summarize who is with which group and what they represent.”

    Response – Mr. Swanson – As a quick summation A) I refer you to TheCorruptionOfAlanKeyes.blogspot.com to clarify the different factions within the AIP and how the current split developed; and B) the non-corruption faction of the AIP, represented by legally elected Chairman Jim King and myself as Vice-Chairman represent the original principles of the AIP inclusive, as a predominant principle, of the foreign policy perspective that undeclared foreign wars should not be, as per the Constitution, allowed to occur. Correspondingly international alliances, especially via the U.N., should not be allowed to entangle our nation and prevent it from action much less supercede our laws. The predominant domestic policy perspective is based upon recognition of the Christian foundations of our nation and manifests among other expressions in fighting for the protection of the unborn from the slaughter and mutilation of abortion in addition to opposing the attack of the homosexual community upon the institution of marriage and that of the family as a whole. The corruption faction of the AIP, represented by the current fake ” Chairman ” Mark Robinson, represents and is implimenting the opposite of these perspectives.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  119. LibertarianGirl

    DG_the foreign policy perspective that undeclared foreign wars should not be, as per the Constitution, allowed to occur. Correspondingly international alliances, especially via the U.N., should not be allowed to entangle our nation and prevent it from action much less supercede our laws.

    me _ i like that better than unjust war killing millions of innocents

  120. this arguing is sad

    rivalry between 6+ people in the party is ludicrous and only hurts the party “I want to be chairman!” “No I am” “No I am” “waaaa” lol
    pathetic

    i say follow the party’s candidates (for all intensive purposes, they ARE the party!?)

    so whichever leadership supports the candidates is the real party leadership. whichever leadership treats candidates as opponents are the faction

    judge a tree by the fruit it produces

    In both D&R party’s, the leadership needs to earn support of their candidates in order to stay as leadership. no difference here

    a chairman is not a dictator
    he doesnt rule
    this arguing is like two kids on the playground fighting over a plastic crown
    yet the bell rings then
    recess is over

  121. Prop 8 voted down in CA

    The keyes faction (markham robinson) has the state rights for the ballot and recognized by the ca elections board. So the petty ass crap is by the baldwin faction still crying over baldwin losing the presidency! They back a loser liar candidate for governor is ca, they are just stupid petty jerks that want some type of attention. Dumb as bricks and so are their followers. and thats my opinion. and I am not Mark seidenberg. Don Gruntmann is a creep btw unmarried gay basher.

  122. '....... and on the serious side' [Lake]

    and that kkkreep Nightmare Nightingale ???????

    Hey, if the Looney Patrol wants to petition for ballot access as the ‘Constitution Party of California’ (currently a non existential entity) —- have at it!

    Kids on a play ground huh ???????

    One side is reasonable.

    The other side threatens physical harm, refuses to pay income tax, does not know how many children she has, creates endorsements from dead people, loses corruption trials, is ‘red flagged’ by elections officials. Duh!

    Ask, Trent Hill, Bruce Cohen, disbarred Gary Odom, and ‘paulie’ how ‘wonderful’ Cody Quirk’s contributions to ethics have been to IPR!

    Oh, where is Grundmann, Chelene Ward Nightingale ally Mister Quirk, out side of his snide, snarkie, sneakie comments posing my sainted long dead Mother?

    Inquiring minds want to know —— or, already know! donlake@ymail.com

  123. Prop 8 voted down in CA

    Nightingale fired her campaign manager in June, ha apparently they had 0 money!! She now has another boy trying to raise more money. WTF the election in 3 months she expects to win and has NO MONEY!!! WHATS WRONG WITH THIS group?? talk about delusional! ha and all they do bug a radio station in Los Angeles to have nightingale on. hahah they beg radio stations to have her on and they refuse!!!

  124. '....... and on the serious side' [Lake]

    journalist [how, when, where, what back ground, what body of work] // Jun 30, 2010 at 8:01 pm
    ” about removing the AIP from their ballot designation. What a friggen mess. All these jerks had to do was play nice” ……….”

    [a] your OPINION

    [b] my FACTS, as early as August 2009, numerous folks on numerous sites [including IPR] ‘called out’ Nightmare Nightingale on sins of commission and sins of omission.

    [c] more FACTS, the current version of Doctor Grundmann is, well, er, ah Doctor Grundmann

  125. Don Grundmann

    ” Prop 8 voted down in CA “/” and I am not Mark seidenberg ” – Mark, just, for just ONE day, stop lying.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  126. Don Grundmann

    to ” The Fool ” – You have continually, and in so many ways, totally disgraced your mother, father, and any past relatives by your continuous non-stop lying about Chelene as you do, yet again, above. Don’t ever meet me.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  127. Prop 8 gets over turned

    don grunt,man writhing in pain over the issues of gays being able to marry. Gays being able to have constitutonal rights! poor Gruntman. He will have to march up and down with posters calling for the end of evil! Poor donnie gruntman, unable to recognize his own latent tendencies, has to hate the one thing he really loves. I await your reply lover boy.

  128. Cp gets no respect

    “I tell ya, the cp gets no respect..no respect!” (r. dangerfield) read that CP candidate Bill Lussenheide not invited to televised debate between the reps and dems, and he wets himself in a fit a anger. Maybe he and grundman and march outside with banners saying ‘I WILL not debate in any debate that would have me!!” ???? yup yup yup The noive!!! yuk yuk yuk

  129. Don Grundmann

    And so we have the sick ultra corrupt traitor Mark Seidenberg continuing to write comments under multiple fake names as with numbers 153 and 154 above. While extremely sick his comments do illustrate the direction which his ADL and SPLC handlers want him to take the party; this being in full support of homosexuality and completely opposite to the Christian foundations of the party.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  130. Cp gets no respect

    keep it up donnie g boy, ahhaha what a fool you are labeling me as Mark s..you stupid gay basher. mark has better things to do as you can see I don’t!! I have a group of people willing to expose the lies you and your flaccid little group of hijackers of the AIP! we are growing daily and we are htting the sites to inform the people about what a bunch of fraud you and Nightingale and pee pee pants lussenheide are. Racist horrible liars! that are trying to destroy the political process because you weenies, could never get noticed in high school. Just wait we have a real bomb shell of an announcement about 2 of these liars!! Documents from a police record. countdown to LIBERTY from liars !

  131. Jesus loves gays

    so tell gruntman just how does Jesus hate gays? The Lord Jesus would never promote hate like you. God would never turn away anyone regardless. he hung out with the prostitutes and the thieves, he judged no one. But, you you ASS you judge others with your jaundice eye! You who could not fit through the eye of the needle, but would hump a camel….(huh) anyway YOU who says gays are evil…You who lives with his mommy never married and has illicit pictures of dianh shore on the walls!! YOU you self righteous drivelling snivelling drooling ball itcher! YOU dare pass judgement on anyone??? how dare you!!!!!!

  132. Jesus loves gays

    btw debate on channel 2 today with the REAL candidates for governor of ca Whitman and Brown!

  133. '..... the serious side of free speech ' [Lake]

    “………. we are growing daily and we are hitting the sites to inform the people about what a bunch of fraud you and Nightingale and pee pee pants Lussenheide are. Racist horrible liars!”

    [a] help me fatten the chiro.ca.gov, FTB, IRS, CHP, FBI files. It [finally] worked for Democratic Kiddie Porn King Wade Sanders and GOP corruption ace Puke Cunningham, both current felony inmates.

    [b] inch by inch, centimeter by centimeter

    [c] call me, don’t be afraid to just call me
    619.420.0209 any time
    donlake@ymail.com
    263 Eucalyptus Court
    Chula Vista
    CAlifornia
    91910-3030

    [d] quit posting here! I have it on good authority (paulie) that only a couple of small bands (my words) of zealots are throwing spit balls on this issue! Do not widen the issue. Do not expand the conversation. Do not dog pile!

    Do not prove the IPR oligarchy incorrect. I was told that one of the original ‘Nightmare Nightingale’ (my wording) commentaries, leading up to a hot election, was not visited enuf to update. It stands at now at near 500 [five hundred] threads.

    Go away. This is a small, parochial, minor item —- other people have told me so!

    [e] that is Sgt Pee Pee Pants Lussenheide! Sir, Yes Sir!

  134. Jesus loves gays

    Ha hey don lake, they wish it would stop. If they don’t care, they wouldn’t be trying to squash the truth at every turn of the way. I have it on good authority, that Nightingale is so afraid of being exposed for her bankruptcy and worst of all her connection with the minutemen and being sued etc… that she tries to get website scrubbed clean!!! INTERNETGATE!!!!!! her and her “plumbers” (and trust me they are real plumbers you know drip drip plumbers lol) anyway she has these malcontents kissing her ass..thinking they TOO will inherit the kingdom of CA when she becomes governor. She has promised ole pee pee pants Lussenheide a post as gee…I would think window washer as thats his trade but lets see, in their fantasy world…she will knight him Director of the Inland empire to run as he wishes HAAAAAAAAAA man, I can hardly wait to see the egg on their faces but for now I shall fight the good fight with my growing posse btw way…shhhh ( I already knew IPR was sanitizing wink wink) I went on to bigger and better avenues…we will talk sometime

  135. Jesus loves gays

    I’ll be sending Frightingale a tiarra the day after the elections so at least she can stand in front of the mirror with her little fist clinched tightly..wearing her rhinestone crown of thorns..and silently weeping…”I could have been a contender..I could have been a contender” then she will wildly throw her head back and say ‘AS GOD AS MY WITNESS I SHALL NEVER GO HUNGRY AGAIN!!” (the camera pulls back) BUT WAIT she is not done she suddenly SMEARS her mascara and runs to the stairs of her apt building…she starts to stare at the camera and says ‘I’M READY FOR MY CLOSE UP Mr. Demille!!!” (violins and horns play out the scene) (damn that was good) Hands out hankies….:)

  136. '..... the serious side of free speech ' [Lake]

    From Don Grundmann killer and United States Senate candidate of the real, real California American Independent Party, Ed ‘Really Cares About Abused Veterans’ Noonan:

    “(you) must have heard that Ms. Senator Barbara Boxer and Ms. Carly Fiorina have been invited to a debate at the Saint Mary’s College of California on Sept 1, 2010 at 7 pm.

    Once again, we “other four ballot qualified parties of California” have been snubbed and brushed off by the two party system, the press and the political scene in California.

    THIS MUST STOP! You have heard of the current TEA PARTIES against outlandish bailouts of banks and giant corporations…well, we must start a protest of our own

    – – AN ALAMO TYPE RESISTANCE – – a cry of dissent heard from coast to coast!

    There is NO LEGITIMATE REASON that all 6 ballot qualified candidates cannot be invited to all debates. To fail to do so is pure corruption and subversion of the highest degree.

    We must conference together and figure out an acceptable way TO STOP THE DEBATES if we are not invited. There is no way we can allow ever again the two big buck parties to slap us around (we, being the other “four parties.”)

    They keep us small in numbers because of their political abuse and this must stop!

    If you other three US SENATE 2010 CANDIDATES have any courage to take immediate action against the St. Mary’s College contact me ” —–ed noonan

    Don Lake Post Script: any Saint Mary’s student groups to carry our anti Democan and anti Republicrat water?

    Others interested in the behind the scenes of IPR, call me, don’t be afraid to just call me, [oh, what you might not know ………]

    619.420.0209 any time ……….

  137. Markham Robinson

    When will we see the list of those the “Branch of the Constitution Party” elected on August 15, 2010 in Ontario California at the Ayres Hotel? I understand from one participant that Don Grundmann was elected as Chairman of that group which falsely calls itself the “American Independent Party,” a misdemeanor at least under California law.

    Also I understand that Jim King was elected Vice Chairman. Since it’s his theory that AIP officers serve from Biennial Organizing meeting to Biennial Organizing Meeting, that means that his suit against me to acquire the Chairmanship of the AIP is moot. And on September 3, 2010 BTW I will be turning over the gavel to Nathan Sorenson our Chairman-Elect.

    Looks like that at that point, it will be painfully obvious, even to the quite dim that the whole suit is moot unless it is the Party and not just its Chairman that is sued! That was necessary from the start.

    The Secretary of State is also the only party that can offer the plaintiff the “relief” he sought. Since King was also seeking validation of his rump group’s convention/organizing meeting in 2008 and the invalidation of the real one’s meetings, this suit would affect the interests of the other officers, the members of the State Central Committee, the officers of the rump group’s alleged officers and State Central Committee members and of course the interests of all those registered with the AIP.

    This means that the third suit King has filed has exactly the same fatal flaw as his first, it lacked essential parties. This is not just a procedural requirement, it is a statutory implementation of elementary standards of fairness.

    I was recently elected Executive Committee Chairman of the AIP as well as its new Secretary in which position I will be rendering full-time support to the incoming Chairman and holding monthly Executive Committee meetings.

  138. Don Grundmann

    And here we have Mark Robinson; an outright liar and ultra corrupt criminal who has committed the crime of fraud as documented at TheCorruptionOfAlanKeyes.blogspot.com.; hoping that the lawsuit to overturn his corruption will stop simply because the status of Jim King, the previous Chairman of the REAL AIP, the non-corruption faction of the party, has changed to Vice-Chairman. Yet another day but Robinson is ever the coward ( as when he ran like a dog from legal service for months ), exposing his true nature, as he pines for a technicality to save his corruption from exposure and defeat. He knows that in any honest trial where the full truth was exposed to a jury he would instantly lose just as he knew he would lose any honest vote at any honest state convention. This is why he had to have his fake state convention in order to deny the right to vote to anyone who would oppose his corruption; which was in fact everyone not associated with his criminal organization. The REAL AIP, of which I am now the Chairman, invited everyone eligible to vote to come to our state central committee meeting; an action which the criminal coward Robinson dare not do. The english translation of his last paragraph is that the new fake chairman of the corruption faction, Nathan Sorenson, will be his sock puppet as he continues his criminal enterprise – until the REAL AIP brings his criminality to its end. Robinson is certainly the most corrupt ” Chairman ” ( even fake ) of any party in the nation currently, and most likely in its entire history, and a perfect example of why our nation is going down the tubes via the attack upon it by moral and literal ultra criminals/cowards like himself.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  139. Don g wanted me for sex

    Don grundman a mentally disturbed queer, so afraid of his homosexuality he goes to san francisco, tries to hook up then gets mad and throws a protest. I should know…he tried to solicit sex from me. I would not accept the $20.00 and told him sooo

  140. Cody Quirk

    Word UP!! AIP HAS CHOSEN TO NOT HAVE A GOVERNOR CA CANDIDATE IN NOVEMBER. Chelene Nightingale for governor 2010 is BEING taken off the ballot per the AIP STATE CENTRAL COMMITTEE!!
    Wow…I am not lying Mark Seinberg just posted this news. Well, lets see how they plan on dealing with this issue.(The cp faction)

    = Funny, she’s listed as the AIP candidate on the SoS’s website.

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