Ever since 2008, the American Independent Party of California has had two sets of rival state officers, and the dispute over the identity of the legal officers has been in state court. On September 1, Solano County Superior Court Judge William C. Harrison held a hearing in the case, King v Robinson, FCS 034452, and issued some procedural rulings.
The judge ruled that Solano County is a proper venue for this lawsuit, and he directed the defendants (individuals who supported the presidential nomination of Alan Keyes in 2008) to answer the Complaint. Once the answer is filed, the case can move to the merits.
What Paulie said.
Seems to be an epidemic of that in the AIP debate…both sides.
” Can you really imagine trusting a grand conspiracy to Seidenberg and company? The guy can’t even formulate a basic argument on a web forum, arguably the primary purpose of which is to stimulate “arguments.” How is he going to pull off some grand conspiracy?”
Response – Red – When you are the Plantation Masters you may not be able to tailor your ideal mole and must take what you can get. With that said Seidenberg is actually an ideal traitor. If you ever are unfortunate enough to meet him he, as a fat suspenderd santa claus copy, is the last person you would consider to be a traitor/mole; and that is exactly what makes him so good. He was able to worm his way into the AIP with no one suspecting his true corruption all the way until he pulled out his knife to stab us in the back. He had been planning this betrayal for literally years; quietly biding his time and worming his way into position so that he could inflict the maximum damage for his controllers. His feigned stupidity is yet another part of his cover. He should not be underestimated as I did previously. His evil has no end to its length and depth.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
” http://www.lpoc.org “the Case Against Chelene Nightingale By Tom Hanson ”
Response – I will recommend to Chelene that she use this puff piece attack as a badge of honor. Yet another indication that her influence is, as it should be, rising. She is a true candidate of honor, integrity, and guts.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
Not really, I’m a economic protectionist, I’m concerned about America’s economy, not the World’s.
Thank you CT ———— Don Lake
Probably shouldn’t say this, since other people probably think I have some similar issues as Mark Seidenberg,
but Lake, Mark Seidenberg is 20 times worse than Grundman. At least Grundman is passionate about the issues. Quirk and Seidenberg deserve each other though. I personally think that those two are part of a major conspiracy to destroy the world economy along with Ralph Nader, Mike Kavlan and Wayne Root.
“……. Mark Seidenberg’s posts. I thought maybe his inane, Rain Man-like repetitive posts were part of some bizarre rhetorical strategy ………”
and, Red, you don’t say a word about Grundman ——– who is twenty times worse!
and, Red, you don’t say a word about Quirk ——– whom is fifty times worse!
Nightmare Nightingale, Bill Lussenheide, Jim King *personal experience*, and others of their cabal make Two Marks and an Ed look like islands of civility and sanity ——- cause they are!
Space Cadet Captain Cody Banks Quirk as your political adviser [I’d rather have Tom Hanson any day] ——– what is your ‘game’ ——- it sure is not rationality and or logic!
http://www.lpoc.org “the Case Against Chelene Nightingale By Tom Hanson
(Noonan [and others?] may well have been planning such even before KC.)
= That’s what was going on, Red.
I have come to a conclusion. For a while I couldn’t figure out Mark Seidenberg’s posts. I thought maybe his inane, Rainman-like repetitive posts were part of some bizarre rhetorical strategy. I thought maybe he thought if he just repeated the same basic info over and over he would eventually convince somebody. (What I called foot stomping.) Or maybe it was just a mischievous way to drive his opponents nuts by refusing to engage with them. Or maybe it was a legal strategy. Maybe he felt that he could never concede any ground to the opposing side because there is an ongoing court case, and he wanted to be absolutely consistent in his maintenance that there are no factions.
But I have come to the conclusion that none of this is what is actually going on here. Mark Seidenberg continues to post the same mind-numbingly repetitious stuff over and over again because he has a pathological unwillingness or inability (I highly suspect the latter) to “change set.” He lacks the cognitive flexibility to address my question as asked. That is why he simply posts a link to the A’sIP platform after much harassment and then immediately returns to form. “Don Grundmann has never blah, blah, blah … Sacramento County is the only county divided into communities blah, blah, blah…”
Note that I am not suggesting that Mark Seidenberg is unintelligent. He may well posses a large fund of knowledge and might well be a good Jeopardy player for example. He just lacks a certain type of cognitive flexibility. I would be happy to be proven wrong and await Mr. Seidenberg’s concerted attempt to do so.
But Don, I do think this argues against Mark being part of some larger conspiracy. Larger conspirators would be as likely to recognize his limitation as we are and would consequently be unlikely to hinge some broader conspiracy on Seidenberg’s ability to pull it off. I believe that following the KC convention part of the CA delegation along with some help (and inspiration?) from Tom Hoefling conspired to bring about the defection of the AIP from the national CP that has us in this current mess. (Noonan [and others?] may well have been planning such even before KC.) But this was likely done out of spite (or excessive loyalty to Keyes as is the case with Pastor Drake I believe) because we had rejected their messiah Keyes. I doubt it was part of some broader conspiracy to suppress the conservative third party movement or whatever? Can you really imagine trusting a grand conspiracy to Seidenberg and company? The guy can’t even formulate a basic argument on a web forum, arguably the primary purpose of which is to stimulate “arguments.” How is he going to pull off some grand conspiracy?
I want to confirm that Cody Quirk, the world’s oldest living eleven year old, not only is entitled to his opinion, but deserves it!
Either this guy is mentally dull or he’s being intentionally evasive.
= Definably both; Mr. Seidenberg is a very poor ambassador for his Party, for one, appointing Don Lake to the State Committee of his faction of the AIP has damaged his credibility for good.
Paulie: “Now, please relate it to the question: why and how do you believe this AIP platform is better than that of the Constitution Party? Simply linking the platform of the AIP does not answer that question.”
You might keep pursuing this, but I’ve given up on it. Either this guy is mentally dull or he’s being intentionally evasive. The question was clear several days ago and there’s still no direct answer. Personally, I’m sticking with my view that it’s just about foreign policy. That’s based on what I know about Keyes and Baldwin, as well as Phillips specifically denouncing Keyes as a “neoconservative” at the CP convention.
Forget the cut and paste. It’s been done, so let’s move on.
Now, please relate it to the question: why and how do you believe this AIP platform is better than that of the Constitution Party? Simply linking the platform of the AIP does not answer that question.
What do you consider to be the relevant differences? Why do you think they are important? Why do you believe the AIP’s position to be better than the CP’s on those issues?
Yes I do know how to both right-click and left-
click on a mouse. So what, I still do not know
how to “cut & paste”.
= That’s disturbing, its VERY easy.
Are you feeling Ok?
To Doctor Donald J. Grundmann // Sep 7, 2010:
It is you who are doing the very thing you attack us, the real, the recognized, the reasonable, administration of the California American Independent Party, for doing ………..
” are not after the truth ——– he / they are fleeing from it!”
Response – Lake – Yet another lie from you who can be counted on as a liar day in and day out. It is you who are ( and always ) doing the very thing you attack us for doing.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
SteynOnline – Agent provocateur ……. At his website today, Werner Patels refers to me as a Super Agent Provocateur.
Introducing me at a speech at 21 in New York recently, Frank Gaffney also hailed me as an “agent provocateur”,
and I politely demurred, on the grounds that for me the phrase tended to evoke [Lake: the image of] an undercover cop in the men’s room at ………..
http://www.steynonline.com/content/view/892/128/
[Lake: plural, ‘AGENTS provacatuer’ as in BROTHERS in law and or ATTORNEYS at law ……….]
Cody Quirk // Sep 7, 2010 at 11:28 am
“It doesn’t take a Rocket scientist ………”
[and Don Lake was a rocket surgeon, er, ah, um, missile scientist ……….]
[………. Cody is just poking a stick, any ole stick, at his adversaries! Cody Banks is always right, even when he is wrong!]
Paste and Cut as akin to ‘Dragon Drops’ ………
I have taught e classes. And then it becomes out dated three weeks later. My first computer class was Fortran I (Formula Translation) and *sarcasm* we kept count with [Leaping Lizards!] dinasourious bones!
Let us spot light a related issue. Cody Banks, Teen Aged Agent, is not interested in clearing up the swamp. As the oldest living eleven year old, Captain Quirk is an ideology whom wants to stir up the waters and muddie the logic. [….. as he has so little him self!]
When I had some spare time and unlimited voice mail minutes I would call up people in California and then Nevada ’bout the ‘Quirkster’. Even his allies, growing less and less each month, admire his passion while questioning his integrity, if not his sanity!
Cody could care less about your Word Processing skills. Cody could care less about CALVETS /CDVA links. He [and Nightingale and Lussenheide and King and Grundmann and Brailesse (sp) ] is / are not after the truth ——– he / they are fleeing from it!
AOK, all together class: ‘agent provocateur’!
Cody Quirk,
I do not know how to “cut & paste”. When I was
working on my M.B.A. the computer class was just one part of one class. It was before you were born. There was no such thing as a P.C.
All the professor did was to show us a picture
of a Computer that filed a large room. He also
past out punch cards and told us about “0” &
“1”. That took less than one hour.
Yes I do know how to both right-click and left-
click on a mouse. So what, I still do not know
how to “cut & paste”.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party.
It doesn’t take a Rocket scientist to put links in the posts.
It’s a little something called ‘Cut & Paste’, do you know how to right-click on your mouse, Mark?
Paulie,
Thank you for telling how to use links to these
posts.
Mark Seidenberg
TO: Red Phillips,
I will try again as I tryed in post 55. See below:
http://aipnews.com/mxPage.asp?ID=3
I hope it works now.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party, affiliated with
the America’s Independent Party, since June 27, 2008.
Now it says ‘Page not found’.
1) You continue to refuse to answer Reds’ questions.
Just post the link URL (address)…no “sideways Vs”
Cody Quirk // Sep 6, 2010 at 7:59 pm
“Do we also have our own little ‘Germ Free’ zone as well, Lake?” ————- Huh?
link was originally typed
http://www.bsa.ca.gov/2002-120 *
* did not post as such
* Boy Scouts of America, California?
* bon apetit …………..
” Don lake rocks ” – Another day and another fake name for Mark Seidenberg to use.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
BTW Lake, that last link leads to a international website that has something to do with cuisine- what does that have to do with your makeshift helmet?
(Trying hard not to laugh)
Then why don’t you link it you dumbass?!
More BS coming from the Seidenberg camp I see.
Don just a heads up a major republican blog just busted Nightingale and wrote a whole story on her.
Has all her bk filing posted and warned all conservatives not to give money to her. This was written by the editor of the blog. He gave a stern warning for all to read. (the truth is prevailing)
Do we also have our own little ‘Germ Free’ zone as well, Lake?
#93 Cody Quirk // Sep 5, 2010 at 1:10 am
“……. enough toilet paper, Mr. Lake?”
[Lake: Perhaps more importantly, did Mister Stephens, a known ‘slip and fall prone inmate’ (our words) have a $39.95 bicycle style safety helmet on when he died on his way to lunch in March, 1999? Not having a bicycle helmet on me and having run across a roll of double sided white colored masking tape, I concocted a make shift ‘helmet’ prior to my three minutes of Ralph M. Brown public comment time in a scathing denouncement of yet another neglected veteran death. The state Department of Public Health might have agreed with Citizens For A Better Veterans Home, as it was yet another fakey $100, 000 fine. The feds might have agreed with us as massive ($11M) funding with holding was instituted FOR ONLY THE SECOND TIME IN FEDERAL HISTORY. And my formal rubber stamp Kangaroo KKKourt in Ventura County was soooooooooo odious that it produced http://www.bsa.ca/2002-120!]
[Lake: no toilet paper involved, out side of the rest room, just a couple of feet of white double stick masking tape as a visual prop!]
……….. or spend much of the preceding kicking the backs of other people’s chairs?
[a] California is not a fusion state
[b] You are (apparently) the spear head of Calif CP
[c] You have quit the AIP in a De Facto manner
[d] Plz formally resign from AIP
Mark – Thanks for so quickly proving my accuracy in prediction. 1) You continue to refuse to answer Reds’ questions. 2) You pull the ” acting stupid ” card out ( I said 17 total. I never said 19 ) yet again. 3) You pull out ” D.C. Chairman of AIP ” yet again. The second ” acting stupid ” remark in the same post.
If you believe that I am giving myself ” bogus titles ” then sue me. You have the money ( tons of it ). You have the lawyers ( an army of them ). Prove it in court. Prediction – You won’t dare to sue me because you know that I would slaughter you in court.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
Don Grundmann,
You are in error the number on the State Central
Committee was not 19 in June, 2008.
You were on the State Central Committee until
September 3, 2008.
Let tell you who was not on the AIP State Central
Committee. Rayna Mike King (removed in 2007) for being a Republican and Nancy Spirkoff who’s term of Office ended in August,
2006.
You are not the “D. C. Chairman of the AIP”. You have not been on the AIP State central
committee since September 2, 2008. Stop
giving yourself bogas titles in the AIP.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, V ice Chairman,
American Independent Party
Red – 1) Notice that Mark Seidenberg still refuses to answer your question(s) on policy differences. As I stated, he will never do so. This is because he does not care in the slightest about policy except, as I claim, in regard to transforming the AIP from a Christian based party into a reverse anti-Christian party per the desires of his ADL/SPLC handlers/controllers and as illustrated so well by the appointment of Lake to the State Central Committee. This is part of their greater plan to destroy the conservative movement in the nation. 2) Notice how he still ” acts stupid ” to A) avoid the question, and B) avoid any answer to the question. This is shown by his comment regarding numbers above. He knows that there were 17 people on the Central Committee and ( a ” duh ” for anyone ) 9 is a majority of that. Yet he ” acts dumb ” in order to avoid admitting the truth of his corruption; in this case that only 5 people of the Robinson criminal gang, of which he is the bag man,” voted ” to so-called ” disaffiliate ” the AIP from the CP.
He will never change. Such corruption and deception is in every cell of his body.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
Don Grundmann
I am not in a gang or faction of the American Independent party.
You are claiming that the membership in 2008 of its central committee is now 17. In a post in
2008 gave the number of the state central committee at 9. You come up with numbers
that are false.
You were on the State Centrtal Committee until
September 2, 2008. You have not been on the
AIP State Central Committee since that date.
Why do you claim now that in June, 2008 there
were 17 members on the State Central Committee? Why did you claim in 2008 in a
posting that the number of members of the State Central Committee was only 9?
Again, the AIP State Central Committee “designated” the California Secretary of State Building as the location of
2008 Convention. Don Grundmann was a delegate at that convention on July 5, 2008.
I was the elected Chairman of the Convention.
If you would pay me the $1,000 for the work
product you ordered. Your question will get
the answer.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg,
Vice Chairman, American Independent Party,
affiliated with the America’s Independent Party
of Fenton, Michigan since June 27, 2008.
Mark – 1) To this day you cannot tell the truth of your fake meeting, fake vote, and fake documents filed with the SOS office as I have documented at TheCorruptionOfAlanKeyes.blogspot.com. You call your corruption ” work product;” a perfect illustration for all to see of your total corruption. If your criminal gang was actually telling the truth you would long ago have done no running from legal papers but would have instead insisted on a quick trail to the lawsuit with no technicalities to save you as you would have relied on the truth of your argument and the falsity of ours to win the case. Reality is actually the reverse as you incredibly claim that yet another technicality will save you – a perfect illustration of how utterly corrupt the Mark Robinson criminal gang, of which you are the bag man, is.
Red Phillips has repeatedly asked you of the policy differences between the REAL AIP, our non-corruption faction, and your corruption faction. As I told Red, you will never answer such a question as you A) don’t care about policy yourself as your only desire is to follow the orders of your ADL/SPLC handlers and destroy the conservative movement in the nation; and B) your policy is that of your ADL/SPLC handlers inclusive of the promotion of abortion, homosexuality, and many other things which are poison to the true conservative movement. Your answer above is really your answer to Red – you simply repeat the lies which you have already said so many times while you pine for yet another technicality to save your corruption because you know that a real trial of the facts will destroy you by totally exposing the corruption of your criminal gang. Your criminal enterprise is coming to an end.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
Don Grundmann,
This is California, not Deleware. No flogging in this State. You will have to pay me the $1,000 you owe
me. No money, no work product.
Deleware was the last state to allow flogging, before
the US Supreme Court said it was C & U.
King vs. Robinson is now moot. Robinson last day
as State Central Committee Chairman was September 2, 2010. Because the case is moot, it will
be dismissed by Judge Harrison.
I was at all meeting of the State Central Committee
in 2008, There was no meeting of the American Independent Party State Central Committee that
“designated” a party convention in Los Angeles.
Do you know of a meeting of the State Central Committee in 2008 that “designated” Los Angeles
as a site for the AIP Convention? The answer was
there was no such meeting of the AIP State Central
Committee. That is because, after Secretary of State
Bowan approved the AIP use of the auditorium at the Secretary of State Building in the Downtown Sacramento Community of Sacramento County the
AIP SCC designated the Secretary of State Building
of Sacramento as the location within Sacramento County for the 2008 AIP Convention.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
Committee in 2008, that designated
Do you have enough toilet paper, Mr. Lake?
Mark – The judge will figuratively ( unfortunately ) beat it out of you regarding the truth of your fake vote and fake numbers; the ultra corruption which you call ” work product.” Either you tell the truth or you will instantly lose. And if you tell the truth ( of your lie ) you will still lose except perhaps slower. Your end is coming ever closer.
Your endless lying about Chelene all over the Internet under countless fake names and non-names simply expresses what a sociopath and psychopath you are. It is incredibly bizarre. Smearing her with endless lies and your vile attacks only exposes your sickness and corruption ever more. Amyone who meets her knows instantly the outrageous falsity of your attacks against her. People will indeed investigate and will understand that everything that you say against her is a lie. Hence why do it? Either to appear to your ADL/SPLC handlers that you are ” doing something ” to stop her or because you simply cannot help yourself. Your vile writings against Chelene only expose your sick character. She is beating you on the strength of her character, honor, integrity, and virtue – qualities which are completely alien to you.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
It looks like Don Grundmann still is trying to get around
from paying the $1,000 he owes me as a work product.
In in his post # 71, Don Grundmann gave the number
of 17 as how many members there where on the State
Central. He way under numbered the membership of the AIP State Central Committee. He has been
posting disinformation as to the number of people
on the State Central Committee for over two years.
If Don Grundmann would pay me the $1,000 he owes me. He would have the real number of the
State Central Committee. He will never get that
number from me until he pays the $1,000, because
it was drafted for the payment of $1,000. No $1,000 no work product.
However, I think I know where he came up with his so-called number of 17. He took the post number
of 71 and reversed it to come up with 17. In prior
post Grundmann claimed that the State Central Committee had only 9 members on it, because the
others were not members, because they were “sub-human” and “corrupt to the bone and beyond”.
He at the 2008 AIP Convention spent his floor time
just calling the other delegate bad names. That was
a reason that no one would submit Dr. Grundmann’s name in nomination at the AIP Convention for President, even though he came in first place in the party primary in 2008.
Just because the other delegates to the conventiion
would not agree with him on some issues. He called
the “Sub-human rats”. Just on this thread he calls
the newly elected chairman of the American Independent Party a “sock puppet”.
Notice every thing is a fake to Don Grundmann.
We deal with “fake letters” by “fake chairman”.
In Grundmann’s mind the letter most be written
on “fake paper” and people talk on “fake telephones”. It just goes on and on everything
arround him is fake. He can not even deal with the
poster on these IPR sites. Any poster that tell Grundmann in in error, he can not believe they are
real people, viz., fake posters, so thes fake posters
must all be Mark Seidenberg.
I have only posted on IPR under my real name, but
Grundmann day after day thinks all people posting
about him must be Mark Seidenberg.
Dr. Grundmann has not been on either the National
Committee or State Central Committee of the AIP,
since September 2, 2008. He has never been Chairman of the American Independent Party. He has never been a Vice Chairman of the American
Independent Party. In early 2008, AIP Chairman
Ed Noonan (who is now running for US Senate)
removed Don Grundmann as an area director for
the AIP.
On August 12, 2010, Mr. Patrick Colglazier was elected Chairman of the Alameda County Central Committee of AIP. However, Grundmann is also
falsely claiming that he is the Alameda County
chairman of the AIP.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
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[per Righthaven] the Nevada Democratic Party, and now they’re going after Sharron Angle …………. and after Don Lake warned her crew!
Cody Quirk // Sep 4, 2010:
= It’s Lake doing that; I’ll recognize that lack of Capitalization and over-use of periods any day.
[Lake: nope, not true!]
[Lake: Cody lives in Nevada, right? I do not, right? How come I was aware of Righthaven B4 he says he was not. Other Nevada news out lets jumped on the situation right away, B4 Cody CONTINUED to post Review Journal articles. When I saw this I just about fell off my chair! You give Cody wayyyyyyyyy too much credit, leeway, latitude. Facts and reasonable behavior are not his friends. The Question [’42? 42? 42?’] is ———- does he know that he is spouting untruths. Plz do not give Cody the benefit on this issue, he does not deserve it!]
Yes, I agree.
JT, I agree. If this behavior continues, I suggest we start adding certain IPs to the blacklist. Allowing freedom of speech does not mean having pages after pages of gratuitous, repetitive grade school insults drowning out all other conversation.
If this is person is an adult, he or she should start acting like one. If not, this is the wrong venue.
JT is right, its getting way too crazy, even I have standards.
Something should be done.
Look, I know this is an open forum where readers post whatever they want. But do you have to allow posts like those of “Don g”?! They have NO point whatsoever other than to be intentionally moronic. Milnes posts comments that are dumb, but at least they’re related to politics. How about exercising some kind of discretion here??
mark s I love you mark s…..I love you…Mark s I need you…………………………………….
No, 76 & 78 are Don Lake, I recognize the writing.
Homo Don G wants to have sex with seidnberg he wants this guy so bad he is obsessed with him evry post mark s……..Just go for it dude…..don’t hide your lust for this dude…..:)
comments 76 and 78 – Yet more Mark Seidenberg fake name wisdom. This is a picture into his character.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
Lake, why don’t you make yourself useful and wrap some toilet paper around your head, Ok?
Very nice- is that the best you got? LOL!
cody your penis is way too small……quit sending me pictures….
Paulie, Righthaven has been going after everybody, they’re going after the Nevada Democratic Party, and now they’re going after Sharron Angle.
They’re already digging their own grave.
Cody I want you….I heard you and don g….give great head
Already have one you piece of shit, at least I’m sane and not a inbred moron like you.
” On September 3, 2010. Mr. Robinson term endered as chairman of the AIP and he was
replaced by a person that does not reside in
in Solano County, so my best guess is the case
will go away, because it became moot. If Jim
King wants to continue he will have to file it
anew in another county that has jurisdiction,
because Solano County lacks jurisdiction over
the new party chairman.”
Response – And here we have it, yet again, straight from the criminals mouth – trying to stop the lawsuit on the most impossible technicality; as if ” electing : another fake ” Chairman ” would save the criminal enterprsie of Robinson, Seidenberg, and Noonan. Incredible. They know that they will be legally slaughtered when the facts are put before a jury.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
By outside perspective, I don’t mean that I have never had to deal with similar situations – in fact I have. The Alabama Libertarian Party, of which I am an officer, has had different factions claiming to be the “real” Alabama LP at various times. Although, at least in my memory, it didn’t get to the point of lawsuits, so your situation is probably worse.
As for Lake’s claim that issues don’t matter, if I believed that, I would still be a D/R-oid.
” don lake rocks ” – Another day and another fake name used by Mark Seidenberg.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
” Nancy, Gary Odom, Charles Deemer, and a
minority of the State Central Committee tried
to remove Ed Noonan, because Jim King wanted to replace Ed. They did not have the
two/third vote to remove him, so Ann E. Thompson, made a bogas call for a early convention in Los Angeles in 2008. ”
Paulie – Regarding your earlier comment of ” outside perspective of their behavior that the rest of us have ” one of the reasons for your outside perspective is that you do not know, or personally have to deal with, the corruption which we of the REAL AIP have to deal with each day. A prime example is the # 60 comment of Mark Seidenberg above which is packed with lies such as the one I have noted above. In fact a majority of the State Central Committee ( 9 of the 17 members ) called for convention ( as allowed for in the party by-laws ) because we knew that Ed Noonan planned to betray the party and disaffiliate the AIP from the CP due to his delusional fantasy that the CP was anti-Mormon. The convention was hence 1) in accord with the by-laws; and 2) especially important – called by a MAJORITY of the committee.
If no one tells the truth then the lies of Seidenberg go unchallenged and his criminal organization succeeds in the crime it is trying to commit.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
can’t even come up with an original idea and has to steal from others
We report news, which usually means a source. There is no stealing involved. When you steal something from someone they no longer have it. Simply reporting news that has already been reported elsewhere in the most time-efficient manner is not stealing, especially when the source is credited and linked. It’s true that the news can be reworded, but that doesn’t make it an original idea, and it’s time consuming, which means you get less news as we all have other things to do.
Furthermore, if they had an issue with their posts being reposted, all they had to do was ask and the posts would have been taken down or changed, but they did not do that. In fact they did not even notify us about the lawsuit, we learned about it from a competing newspaper in Las Vegas contacting us to comment.
Prior to this incident I did not even know or think they could sue without asking that the material be taken down first.
@60 just post the url without any brackets
Anyone that would disparage a vet like Don Lake, is a piece of trash. Cody asshole that gets sued for copywirte infirngement shouldn’t be talking about anyone. A do nothing loud mouth, that can’t even come up with an original idea and has to steal from others. GET A REAL JOB LOSER CODY! *infringement
Anyone that would disparage a vet like Don Lake, is a piece of trash. Cody asshole that gets sued for copywirte infirngement shouldn’t be talking about anyone. A do nothing loud mouth, that can’t even come up with an original idea and has to steal from others. GET A REAL JOB LOSER CODY!
“Corruption attacks us all and is an enemy of all.”
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. (so called) Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
[Lake: from the same guy, in a non fusion state, is attempting to get the ‘Constitution Party of California’ on the west coast ballot. Hypocrisy thy name is Grundmann ……….. One or the other, not both, Donnie Poo, one or the other!]
Patrick and [sister] Bay, 1999, “We promise not to bring up religious stuff if we get the 2000 Reform Party nomination. Even if we get it by stacking the deck and even physically charging the stage and grabbing the micro phone!”
[or words to that effect ………..]
To Red Phillips // Sept 4, 2010:
Focus Red, focus Red. Please make your case based on some thing other than issues.
Issues are just the hand maidens of Public Relations and have been since the Egyptians and the Hittites and their border skirmishes some 35oo years ago!
‘Vote for Wilson, he kept us out of war’
‘Vote for FDR, he kept us out of war’
‘I [LBJ] will not send American boys to fight an Asian war ………..’
“I [Marcus Robinson] was the elected Vice Chairman. I came to the conclusion that Noonan was correct
and Nancy was wrong. So I backed Ed Noonan
in the best interests of the AIP ……….
Nancy, Gary Odom, Charles Deemer, and a
minority of the State Central Committee tried
to remove Ed Noonan, because Jim King wanted to replace Ed ………..”
[a] I know Noonan as a passionate, personal advocate of neglected veterans. A dozen years later I am wearing his campaign tee shirt as I type this.
[b] At the same time Jim King and his GOP wife were living down the high way from the world’s worst veterans home. I knew him to be a ‘one trick pony’ and it did not involve former military.
[c] Two Marks and An Ed, well I pretty much saw things from the same perspective, even with (or because of) being a Grundmann supporter in 2004 ……..
[d] serious problems with the national CP and the California AIP since 1998. The ‘Golden Age’ of the AIP [1988 – 2008]? I found quite tainted! Jim King and his GOP wife were non thinking puppets of the family oligarchy [IMHO]
Again Warning!
All,
Don Grundmann is not now nor ever has been a
“D. C. Chairman” of the AIP. He has not been on
the National Committee or State Central Committee of the AIP, since September 2, 2008.
I am informed that he has formed a new political
party called the Constitution Party and filed it
with the Secretary of State. Let Don Grundmann
go off and do his own thing with his party of six
people and leave AIP alone.
I can not make any thing out of Grundmann’s
post of events in the Green Party, nor do I care.
I have more than I can handled within the AIP.
The State Central Committee of the AIP vote on June 27, 2008, to affiliate as it national party the
America’s Independent Party of Fenton, Michigan. The national Constitution Party is past history. Grundmann can not get out of a
memory hole in his own mind. He just can not
except that the American Independent Party
would not sellect him the choice for President
of the United States and picked Alan Keyes over
him.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
At 59, where’s Mike Kavlan when we need him, to start up some good Green Party Green Party drama?
All.
I need posting help on this site. In my post # 55
I tried to post a reply to Red Phillips from an other site with a http address. I first put sideways v to the left and then the http address
and close with the sideway key to the right. It would not go through. It was just a blank. On my e-mail site it works. By sideways v I mean upper case above comma and upper case above
period. I want to answer Red Phillips, but it
will not post.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg
Vice Chairman, American Independent Party.
P.S., I California we have an election code that
governs the AIP convention and the organizational meeting of the State Central Committee. Prior to July 21, 2007, the AIP
did not have a manual of parlimentary proceedures. All conflicts were settled by the
parlimentarian period.
I recall that the LP was not governed by the
election code, their party formed a judicial committee to resolve conflicts.
Only 4 of the 6 quilified political parties in California are governed by the California election code, Only the American Independent
Party has such detailed laws governing the
operations of the conventions and meeting of
the state central committee.
I think Paulie in this thread or another, questioned why the legislaturer wanted such
detail laws governing the operation of the party
and claimed that was what the central committee
wanted. That was not the case.
Prior to July 21, 2007 (before, the State Central
Committee took control of some operations of
the party), power was in the hands of WM Shearer. Between proxies and the Election Code
which he help draft with members of the California Legislation he was in total control of
the party. The State Central Committee did not
tell the legislature what they wanted included in
the Election Code. It was all handled by Wm Shearer alone. He did this to keep Willis Cardo
for taking control of AIP.
WM Shearer passing created a problem within the AIP. In September, 2006, Nancy (daughter
of Wm Schearer) would not turn over the party
records to elected Chairman Ed Noonan.
Nancy wanted the party records to stay in Lemon Grove. Ed wanted the the important
records in Linda. Ed Noonan was elected Chairman and Nancy whose term of office
ended August 4, 2006, would not turn them
over to Noonan. At that point in time, WM
Shearer asked me to help Ed Noonan and try
to talk Nancy out of writting attack letters about Ed Noonan.
,
I was placed in the middle of the dispute, because I was the elected Vice Chairman. I came to the conclusion that Noonan was correct
and Nancy was wrong. So I backed Ed Noonan
in the best interests of the AIP.
Nancy, Gary Odom, Charles Deemer, and a
minority of the State Central Committee tried
to remove Ed Noonan, because Jim King wanted to replace Ed. They did not have the
two/third vote to remove him, so Ann E. Thompson, made a bogas call for a early convention in Los Angeles in 2008.
Conventions of the AIP most take place in
Sacramento County. The cabal was centered
around Los Angeles County, so Nancy and Ann
picked a hotel near the Los Angeles Airport to
have a bogas meeting.
On the other hand the State Central Committee
designated the California Secretary of State Building for the convention, and Secretary of
State Bowan’s staff provided that building
auditorium for the convention and organizational meeting.
On September 1, 2010, Judge Harrison ordered
Markham Robinson to reply to the complaint
file by Jim King in KING vs. ROBINSON II.
On September 3, 2010. Mr. Robinson term endered as chairman of the AIP and he was
replaced by a person that does not reside in
in Solano County, so my best guess is the case
will go away, because it became moot. If Jim
King wants to continue he will have to file it
anew in another county that has jurisdiction,
because Solano County lacks jurisdiction over
the new party chairman.
” I think these warring factions are so caught up in it that they are incapable/unwilling to see this outside perspective of their behavior that the rest of us have.”
Response – Paulie – If a minority of the State Central Committee of , for example, the Green Party of California claimed that they had voted to disaffiliate their party from the national Green Party then complaints by the majority of that Committee and their exposure of the minority for their fraudulent actions and the corruption of the so-called vote and voting process would generally be a legitimate complaint. If that minority used an army of lawyers, funded by outside sources who are in declared opposition to the party, in a continuing attempt to destroy the national Green Party via attempting to defend their fraudulent theft of the California branch from its national affiliation there would rightfully be an outcry from the majority of State officers who had been attacked by the minority. If those majority of state officers exposed the corruption of the minority members who desired to destroy the national Green party and the Green movement as a whole such exposure of corruption would generally be considered a quite legitimate behavior. I would expect that fighting corruption within any party would be considered quite legitimate and actually would be expected. I would expect that any party – Green, Libertarian, Peace and Freedom, etc. – could legitimately expect any such corruption in their party to be challenged. I personally would be rooting for the corruption within any of these examples to be stopped despite my own non-connection with any of them. Outside viewers would not be on the battlefield and can hence say ” So what?” In the meantime the party under attack is struggling to survive those who wish, in service to malevolent controllers who hide in the shadows, to kill it. I would consider that any such minority corruptly attacking one of my examples would, even though I would have no connection to them and may even be in total disagreement with their policy ideas, be an enemy of our nation. Corruption attacks us all and is an enemy of all.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
Focus Mark, focus. Please make your case based on issues.
Not at all.
Based on issues alone, not personality conflicts or your current status with the SoS (which may not be the case in other states, and could change in California in the future), why should someone considering both choose America’s Independent Party over Constitution Party?
I am not asking those who support the Constitution Party or are neutral, and I’m not asking who is corrupt, liar, fraud, has sex with his mother, is a poopyhead, etc, etc, et tedious c.
I think these warring factions are so caught up in it that they are incapable/unwilling to see this outside perspective of their behavior that the rest of us have.
Red Phillips, See:
I hope the above answers your question.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
Cody: “That and [Keyes] acted very rude and disrespectful to the Party when he didn’t get his way, which turned off many people that were willing to support him.”
Okay, but I was referring to political differences, not personality conflicts.
Don: “JT – What you consider sniping is simply my exposure of the reality of how Seidenberg claims to be ” Vice-Chairman ” of the AIP.”
Actually, what I consider sniping is: “You’re a criminal”…”Well, you’re a liar”…”Well, you’re a fool”…”No, you”….”No, you”….and so on for months and months. But like I said, it can be amusing.
Grundmann, I believe gave his answer, but I dunno if Seidenberg will ever give his.
So nice that everyone else wants to answer for them, or react to their answer before they make it.
How about letting those affiliated with and/or supporting America’s Independent Party answer the question first?
Red – Mark Seidenberg will continue to give you evasive non-answers as that is what he always does. The corruption faction of the AIP, of which he is the bag man, has no real policy stances except to copy the original AIP/CP stances and put a slight spin on them as cover for their real purpose which is just to control the party and let it sit. This is part of their grander strategy of destroying the 3rd party conservative movement in the nation while also auctioning off the Presidential ballot line in 2012 so that they can profit, perhaps in the humdreds of thousands of dollars, from their criminal actions.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
JT – What you consider sniping is simply my exposure of the reality of how Seidenberg claims to be ” Vice-Chairman ” of the AIP. I have described at TheCorruptionOfAlanKeyes.blogspot.com how Seidenberg, in a conspiracy with Mark Robinson and Ed Noonan, deliberately created fake documents and filed them with the Secretary of State office in order to claim the AIP has disaffiliated from the Constitution Party when in fact no such disaffiliation ever occurred.
Above and beyond foreign policy differences the very foundation of Keyes AIP’s party is the most basic difference between the 2 parties as Keyes party was founded on the criminal fraud of filing fake documents with the state.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
Rather than everyone else answering for them, I’d like to see what answer the people supporting America’s Independent Party give.
My guess is that the only difference between the two is foreign policy. That seems to be why (interventionist) Alan Keyes was rejected in his bid to become the 2008 CP presidential nominee in favor of (non-interventionist) Chuck Baldwin. Howard Phillips, founder of the CP, even blasted Keyes on that basis at the CP convention. But I might be wrong about that being the only difference.
= That and he acted very rude and disrespectful to the Party when he didn’t get his way, which turned off many people that were willing to support him.
Ask Trent Hill about it.
That’s not a very challenging standard for comparison, lol.
I agree, good question.
Actually, I’m interested in knowing the answer to Red Phillip’s question also. I don’t think phrasing it as a “challenge” or saying there will be “little tolerance” for “game playing or diversionary tactics” is the best way to elicit a rational response, but I understand his frustration in not getting one.
My guess is that the only difference between the two is foreign policy. That seems to be why (interventionist) Alan Keyes was rejected in his bid to become the 2008 CP presidential nominee in favor of (non-interventionist) Chuck Baldwin. Howard Phillips, founder of the CP, even blasted Keyes on that basis at the CP convention. But I might be wrong about that being the only difference.
On another note, I’ll admit I find Grundmann’s and Seidenberg’s sniping back and forth to be amusing. If I had anything to do with the AIP or CP, I probably wouldn’t.
red Phillips shut up with your stupid ass questions. You are just baiting people. Do something fricken constructive with your life, will ya?
Sorry DAMM, I was writing my question as you were posting yours. We are asking the same thing.
My question can’t be answered or you are incapable of answering it? OK, to suite you I will not use the word faction. Let’s concede for the sake of the argument that the CA AIP is legitimately affiliated with the national A’sIP. And that there exists a rump element of former AIPers who would like the CA AIP to be affiliated with the national CP as it once was. There, I believe everything has been conceded to your satisfaction.
Now pretend I am a “far-right” activist who is growing increasingly disgruntled with the GOP and is exploring third party options. I realize there is a recognized party that is affiliated with the national A’sIP and a group of ex-AIP activist that would like to be affiliated with the CP, but I can’t decide which group to throw my hat in with. Make your case to me, based on the issues, of why I should chose the A’sIP affiliated group. Or if it makes it less complicated, just explain to me why the A’sIP platform is superior to the CP platform.
There. I have made all the concessions your way. I have laid the scenario out for you on a silver platter. Proceed to make your case. I will have little tolerance for rhetorical game playing or diversionary tactics, and I believe others will recognize them for what they are as well.
I eagerly await your reply.
OK, so,why shy should anyone support America’s Independent Party over the Constitution Party? On the issues, no personality conflicts please, and let’s assume for the sake of this discussion that both are already on the ballot in my state.
RedPhillips,
Since I am not in a faction or gang. Your question can not be answered. Your question
first requires a faction of the AIP. I am not
in a faction of the AIP.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
Observer- don’t kid yourself… the LP is nuttier than squirrel sh!t but that is what gives it such character! 🙂
Again Mr. Seidenberg, why, on the basis of the issues, should someone support the Keyes faction over the CP faction? At least give it the ol’ college try.
With people like Seidenberg and Noonan at the helms, unfortunately, you’re right.
Wow. The Libertarian Party doesn’t look so nutty, after all.
RedPhillips,
I am not within any faction or gang. I am an officer of the American Independent Party.
I voted for the ticket of Ambassador Dr. Alan
Keyes for President and Pastor Dr. Wiley Drake,
Sr. for Vice President in 2008.
I voted in 1988 for a ticket headed by Dr. Ron
Paul for President. I was not in a faction or gang
of Ron Paul either. I just voted for Dr. Paul.
In 2008 at the Kansas City convention Jim King
even backed Alan Keyes for President. He did
not vote for Don Grundmann for anything either
in 2008.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
Mr. Seidenberg, # 32 is a textbook case of foot stomping. Do you really think that saying something over and over makes it true? That it convinces anybody other than the choir? It is question begging. It assumes the legitimacy of the Keyes faction. But the legitimacy of one or the other faction is PRECISELY what is at issue.
I have asked repeatedly for a defense of Keyes/the national A’sIP/affiliation of the CA AIP with the national A’sIP, etc. based on the issues. Why should someone on the “far-right” who is frustrated with the GOP and considering a third party prefer the Keyes faction to the CP faction?
Are you even capable of making such a case? I have seen no evidence of it so far. This is a direct challenge. Why, on the basis of the issues, should someone support the Keyes faction over the CP faction? Will you step up or will you continue with your diversionary tactics?
” Back in 2008 at the AIP
Convention when you were last a delegate, you
spoke to the other delegates from the floor.
Still the delegates would not put your name
into nomination for President of the United
States.”
Response – Mark, another day and more of your lies. At your fake ” convention ” I was there to denounce your treason and corruption, not to have my name put up for any reason. I ” spoke to the delegates ” that you were all there for of ” 30 pieces of silver;” i.e.; for your payoff by being corrupt liars. You know this and yet you openly lie about it. Nathan Sorenson is simply the continuance of your corruption. He is your sock puppet.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
Don Grundmann
You were at Red Man Hall with a video camera.
So you have full knowledege that Mr. Nathan
Sorenson was elected Chairman. You were not
elected to anything.
You have not been on either the National Committee or State Central Committee of the
American Independent Party, since September 2, 2008. You lost to Ed Noonan in the AIP
primary in 2010. Back in 2008 at the AIP
Convention when you were last a delegate, you
spoke to the other delegates from the floor.
Still the delegates would not put your name
into nomination for President of the United
States.
Why not stop with the disinformation and let
others know that the last election you won within
the AIP was that on National Committeeman on
September 3, 2006 (for a two year term).
Since you formed the Constitution Party of California, why not spend your time on that
party with your other five members and leave
the AIP alone.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg
Vice Chairman, American Independent Party,
affiliated with the America’s Independent Party
since June 27, 2008.
And here we have Mark Seidenberg, the ultra corrupt bag man of the Mark Robinson criminal gang, yet again pining for a technicality to save his corruption from exposure and defeat. In the process he dreams that simply changing the fake ” Chairman ” of his corruption faction of the AIP will save his criminal enterprise. Yet another example, among countless others, of the total fear that the Robinson criminals have of the exposure of the true nature of their crimes before a jury; an action which will result in their instant defeat when all of their criminality is exposed.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
All
Several hours ago, Markham Robinson term ended as Chairman of the American Independent
Party. We have a new chairman of the American
Independent Party. His name is Nathan Sorensen and he does not reside in Solano County, so the case of KING vs. ROBINSON is
now moot.
The issue is now why Mr. King’s lawyer (without
advising “the judical assistant of” Judge Bennett
by “4:30 p.m. on the court day preceeding
the hearing and futher advising that such party
[Jim King’s lawyer] has notified the other side
[Markham Robinson’s lawyer] of the intention
to appear and argue) then appears before Judge
Harrison on September 1, 2010 to argue?
I hope Jimk King was not billed by his lawyer for that September 1, 2010 hearing. Jim King was
the big loser on September 1, 2o10, because of the action of his lawyer he got zero dollars out of
Kreep, Seidenberg, and/or Robinson from the
court. The real issue at the hearing was would
King get any money? Answer is Jim King got
zero funds. What a big loser.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party, affiliated with
the America’s Independent Party, since June
27, 2008.
P.S. I was re-elected Vice Chairman of the American Independent Party for the 2010 –
2012 term.
LOL
That’s what the Hatfields and the McCoys said.
This is getting ugly.
= I know, just making the score even, that’s all.
Yes.
The call for civil discussion is not directed at one side alone.
As far as I can tell both are doing fine.
Humbug. Righthaven engaged in a shakedown, pure and simple.
What do you want me to do, sailor? X-)
[Less facetiously: I have nothing to do with the google ads, have no idea how their selection is generated, receive zero revenues from them, and they certainly have nothing to do with what I post. So, no idea what this whole “rent” business is about, but I’ll play along. ]
New Constitutionalist – You are welcome to call me at 510-7600968. I may be able to assist you.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
Hello everyone, some of you, particularly Dr Grundman, may remember me from a few weeks ago when I posted my story of converting from being a communist to being a real conservative, a member of the Constitution Party. I promised to help out with Chelene’s campaign, and have been able to convince several people to vote for her so far. However I have been limited by a serious illness. My mom, who works for Planned Parenthood, has been pressuring me to take a lot of prescription medications, but I think this is actually making me worse. I am thinking I should try some sort of alternative medication. I’ve heard that only the New Age and communist left is involved in the alternative medicine movement, but I hope I’m wrong, because I really don’t trust the drug companies anymore. Anyway I’m still determined to help the Constitution Party in whatever way I can.
I agree Red. Why is that hearing report even online?
I disagree with Lake on this issue; I think Seidenberg is part of the Ralph Nader conspiracy against the Catholic Trotskyist Obama revolution. But he doesn’t deserve to have his medical reports posted in a political argument.
Now where’s Robert Milnes? Which side will you endorse?
” wilson emmett ” – I believe that is the 5th new fake name that Mark Seidenberg has written under today. I haven’t kept track but he must have passed 100 and is well on his way to 200+ fake names.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
This is getting ugly.
Paulie, if you ever want to talk about Lake here or on your blog, the above link and paragraphs should help describe his character.
Also notice these statements that are within the document I linked in my last post above-
“…Dr. Feldman asked Mr. Lake for his assessment of his psychiatric condition. Mr. Lake said suffered from depression, sleeplessness and fatigue. He classified his depression as moderate. Dr. Feldman asked if the depression caused him to keep to himself and behave in an introverted way and not interact with others or does it manifest itself in “grandiosity”—notions of self-importance, notions of people being dissatisfied with his behavior. Mr. Lake agreed that his depression manifests itself through sleeplessness and fatigue. When asked if he thought he intimidated people, Mr. Lake replied he did when he is on the defensive. When asked if it happened often, he said outside of Cal-Vet, it happened rarely. Dr. Feldman pointed out that this is all about Cal-Vet and entry into a Veterans Home. Mr. Lake says the lack of structure hurts him. He believes his condition has grown worse since being removed from the Veterans Home at Barstow. Dr. Feldman asked if bi-polar disorder had ever been discussed…”
“…Mr. Jackson agreed and said that is why Mr. Lake cannot be admitted into the Chula Vista
Veterans Home. It is a community of veteran residents and there are no facilities for psychiatric patients.”
“The staff at the Barstow home tried
to work with Mr. Lake so that he could stay in the home. The conduct violations continued, and still he was not discharged. They took another 60 days to try to find him a facility that could help him.
However, there were more conduct violations, he refused to seek the psychiatric help he needed and the Department finally had to go to court to force him from the Barstow Veterans Home. Mr. Lake appealed the decision, but it was upheld on appeal. Mr. Jackson called on Tom Arnold, Administrator of the Veterans Home.
Mr. Arnold testified he had interviewed Mr. Lake in November 2000. Mr. Lake told Mr. Arnold that the staff at Barstow had been out to get him and were “railroading” him out of the home. He said all charges against him were fabricated and there was no basis for the conduct violations he received.
There had been an incident at a meeting of the California Veterans Board in calendar year 2000 where he wrapped toilet paper around his head. When asked his purpose in doing that, he claimed it was an expensive means of head protection.
Mr. Arnold said Mr. Lake had also made a number of threatening telephone calls to members of his staff at the Chula Vista home. Mr. Arnold read his letter to Mr. Lake denying him entry into the Veterans Home at Chula Vista based upon records and interviews and a determination that the care necessary for Mr. Lake is not available at the Chula Vista facility.
Mr. Jackson called on Karen Carter, a Psychiatric Social Worker and the Veterans Home in Chula Vista. She testified she had a Master’s Degree in Social Work.
She sat in on a meeting with Mr. Arnold and Mr. Lake as an observer. She described Mr. Lake’s demeanor during the meeting. She said he was very agitated, demonstrated anger verbally and through arm gestures, and denied having any responsibility for any of the problems reported by the Barstow Veterans Home.
She said Mr. Lake appeared to be delusional and paranoid individual who externalizes problems by placing blame on others.”
Mark Seidenberg is probably just as crazy for having such a character like Don Lake in the AIP; even if it was only to spite Grundmann. Seidenberg and even Robinson have hurt their credibility even more on associating with a this man, who can be legally considered 51-50 and easily committed in any California institution.
BTW Lake, have you been able to get into that veterans home in Chula Vista yet?
http://www.cdva.ca.gov/AboutUs/DocsAndImages/BoardMinutes/julmin02.pdf
Can someone actually fart for more than 10 seconds? I think not!
= Ok, maybe 5 seconds is more common.
No materr who wins Dumbman will say that its a lie. he can’t deal with reality, thats apparant with his constant rantings here. If the ruling is for the Keyes faction grundman will say the judge is in on the consipracy. Best to leave this Delusional kook by the wayside.
Thank you CT!
The Catholic Trotskyist Party of America endorses the Constitution Party faction of the American Independent Party, run by Don Grundman and Jim King, over the corrupt Alan Keyes faction. Our reasons are probably different, but we encourage the Constitution Party’s dominance over the true Third Party conservative movement.
Name your price, I am just slumming as my billions earn interest ………..
[Lake, g] ‘fair and balanced’ ———- just look at the advertisers! paulie can not be ‘bought’ ——- but he can rented by ‘the week or month!’
Generally, only by the hour, unless you are very, very rich 😛
Cody Quirk, the Communications and Legal Expert // Sep 2, 2010:
“Chelene is the AIP candidate for Governor and cannot be removed from the ballot or have the AIP label removed either …….”
[Lake, a] And yet she publicly joined the Constitution Party ……….
[Lake, b] and California is not a fusion state …….
[Lake, c] does Cody Banks feel any remorse, or even guilt for the thousands of dollars of contributions solicited to cover his unethical, illegal, unlawful mistakes?
[Lake, d] at least Nightmare Nightingale and Bumbling Stumbling Quirk Boy have taken near fatal hits to their political careers ………..
[Lake, e] ………. the poster couple for Ethics Magazine?
[Lake, f] notice how paulie and other call for and on topic and civil discussion and then turn a ‘blind’ ear to Quirk Boy’s rants on Lake’s social life?
[Lake, g] ‘fair and balanced’ ———- just look at the advertisers! paulie can not be ‘bought’ ——- but he can rented by ‘the week or month!’
[Lake, h] I am also short [four foot two], fat [400#], bald, and by the fifth of most months, rather smelly ——— so what?
[Lake, i] The Democans and Republicrats are laughing at us / the Loyal Opposition, the alternation politics ……….
[Lake, j] with ‘friends’ like Quirk Boy [as I have been saying for years] do the non Democans and non Republicrats even need enemies?
Can someone actually fart for more than 10 seconds? I think not!
Steven,
That’s because it’s California; they have so many laws, I bet you’ll be fined if you ever fart in public for over 10 seconds.
-It’s that crazy over there.
I don’t understand why a language game like this takes so long to play. It is just a title. A few letters. To have independent in your party tag is misleading and because of uncertainty, it makes you look unsure of what side you are on.
This should have been dealt with by the factions and not a judge. People need clarity, not a robe. If this had been settled by the factions, it would’ve made each look professional and mature.
Political divorce court is Rain man. Each faction looks institutional, no matter what is really there.
Slowly but surely and despite their endless delay tactics, inclusive of literally running for months from legal service and trying to claim ” unlicensed practice of law ” among virtually countless other incredible claims, the Robinson criminal gang is being brought to justice regarding their fraud, criminality, and corruption. They will continue to delay and stall in every possible way but when the truth is finally brought before a jury their greatest fear will instantly become a reality – that they are exposed as the outright and ultra criminals that they are. ” The wheels of justice grind slowly but they grind exceedingly fine.” And so shall the wheels of justice grind these treasonous enemies of the nation and of humanity; Robinson, Seidenberg, Noonan, and their fellow gang members; to dust.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
But no matter what happens, Chelene is the AIP candidate for Governor and cannot be removed from the ballot or have the AIP label removed either.
This needs to get settled once and for all, I’ll pray hard the justice prevails, and soon!