Libertarians oppose abusive TSA strip-search machines

WASHINGTON – Libertarian Party Chair Mark Hinkle commented today on the Transportation Security Administration’s use of strip-search machines at airports.

Hinkle said, “The TSA should end the strip-search machine program immediately.

“We’ve reached a point where our government has no qualms about humiliating us.

“Everyone who cares about civil liberties should be outraged that the Obama administration has shown no respect for travelers’ privacy or their right to be free from unreasonable searches. The fact that I want to travel on an airplane does not make me a threat, and it does not allow anyone to conduct a warrantless search under my clothing. The Obama administration apparently agrees with the neoconservative philosophy that there are no limits on government power in the areas of security and terrorism.

“Terrorists win when they provoke our government into overreacting. Apparently they have manipulated our government into chipping away at our rights and privacy. We should not let them get away with it.”

American Pilots Association president Dave Bates recently spoke out against the strip-search machines, expressing concern about the possibly harmful radiation they emit.

The Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC) recently filed the opening brief in its lawsuit against the program. EPIC says that the machines violate the federal Privacy Act, the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, the Video Voyeurism Prevention Act, the Administrative Procedures Act, and the Fourth Amendment. EPIC’s president called the program “unlawful, invasive, and ineffective.”

Hinkle continued, “We can ignore the government’s assurances that images will not be stored. Regardless of policy, some security personnel will want to store the images, and they will find ways to do it. This is already reported to have happened in Florida, where U.S. Marshalls stored thousands of images from a courthouse scanner.

“Many airlines are probably relieved to have the federal government assume responsibility for security. But it’s the airlines who ought to be responsible, and they should bear the liability for what happens on their flights. Rather than have a one-size-fits-all approach imposed by the government, passengers and airlines should be free to work together to determine what methods and levels of security fit their needs best.

“We encourage Americans to call their newly-elected members of Congress and tell them that they don’t want this expensive, worthless, intrusive, unconstitutional program.”

For more information, or to arrange an interview, call LP Executive Director Wes Benedict at 202-333-0008 ext. 222.

The LP is America’s third-largest political party, founded in 1971. The Libertarian Party stands for free markets, civil liberties, and peace. You can find more information on the Libertarian Party at our website: http://www.lp.org

87 thoughts on “Libertarians oppose abusive TSA strip-search machines

  1. Kimberly Wilder

    I am glad that Libertarians are taking a stand against these horrible new strip-search machines (also called “naked scanner” machines). Besides other concerns, these machines use radiation.

    I wrote an article about this at WordPress and received so much interest, I found some links.

    EPIC, which is mentioned above, has a FACEBOOK page where you can take a stand against these machines:

    http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=239458517874

    EPIC also has a form you can fill out to report incidents you have had with the new security policies with scanners:

    http://epic.org/bodyscanner/incident_report/

    The ACLU has not iniated a suit yet, though they are collecting information about problems. Go here:

    https://secure.aclu.org/site/SSurvey?&ACTION_REQUIRED=URI_ACTION_– USER_REQUESTS&SURVEY_ID=1440

    Link for my article:

    http://wilderside.wordpress.com/2010/11/04/we-need-a-passengertourist-revolt-against-full-body-scanners/

  2. paulie Post author

    Great article, Kimberly! I’d like to figure out an excuse to publish it here (unless you don’t want me to). Off hand…When was the last time you ran for office and what did you run for?

  3. Kimberly Wilder

    Thanks, Paulie.

    I don’t think you should publish my TSA article here. It isn’t really coming from a party point-of-view, and I think the party I am most closely associated with has not taken a stand yet. (The article is also very wild and weird!)

    I am complimented, though.

    Anyway…

    It was a long while ago that I ran for office. I think the last time was for NY State Senate.

    I am looking at the landscape and thinking what to do. Not sure if I want to register as “Green Party” again. (I am currently “blank”/independent).

    I know I will help find Green Party candidates to run against all the annoying major party candidates throughout Long Island.

    If the Libertarians get the line, maybe I will do some networking and connecting to see if I can help collect a pool of potential candidates for the party faithful to screen? I support there being a plethora of citizen candidates and an abundance of challenges to the status quo.

    I think I may just become a recruiter and supporter.

    Though, you never know…

  4. marie whitman

    it is so obvious what the government is doing.when is the public going to wake up.

    i find it very difficult to believe it is necessary for americans including babies, pregant women and people in wheel chairs to be scanned.

    maybe this is just a ploy so that they can alternatively installl eye scanners instead then all of us will be so grateful we say ”well, at least it’s better than the naked body scanners”.

    there are more people killed in car accidents in one year than all the so called terrorist attacks since 911.

    i don’t understand why everyone just doesn’t boycot the airlines in protest. however, i suspect that is what they want us to do.

    if we let them get away with this; what next?

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  6. paulie Post author

    From James Babb:

    Hi Folks,

    If you are doing anything to protest TSA abuses please email me directly.

    The success of http://www.WeWontFly.com and the “National Opt-out Day” have swamped
    George Donnelly and myself with media inquiries. Everything from tiny blogs to
    major papers, network TV and cable news are calling. The phone hasn’t stopped
    ringing in a week. I’d love to refer reporters to local media contacts. It could
    be a great opportunity for your local group.

    If you don’t have something scheduled, its a goldmine for media attention.

    Here’s what we are doing in Philly:
    http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=162033297164849

    http://wewontfly.com/opt-out-day/

    We have a map to post events on. So please email me with anything, even if its
    just you passing out flyers at the airport.

    Its a rare opportunity when a 100% anti-state, libertarian position is also a
    majority view. I strongly encourage everyone to grab some free media.

    Thanks,

    Jim Babb

  7. paulie Post author

    http://hammeroftruth.com/2010/terrorized-enough-already/

    A lot of people may have forgotten but the TEA parties (before becoming cheer squads for the usual conservative mixing of church and state and the military/industrial/domestic espionage complex) stood for Taxed Enough Already. We need a new TEA party: Terrorized Enough Already. Enough already with the terrorizing us with terror of terrible terrorists. Enough already with terrorizing us with the terroristic TSA. http://wewontfly.com and http://flywithdignity.org can be the start of a new TEA party which will say “enough already” to the terrorizing, terror-obsessed Homeland Security State, much as the TEA parties were meant to say Enough Already to overtaxation. Can we get the Terrorized Enough meme out there, and if we do, can we keep it from, being co-opted by big government “butter vs. guns” false choices? (Yes to both, and no to either one being provided by the government, btw, kthx).

  8. paulie Post author

    From the chat window at hammeroftruth.com….I don’t know who said what as all postings are unsigned:

    15:33:30 watch the video, for sure

    17:45:31 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZaB2jpPVLU – THEY LIVE!

    17:46:00 ?_?

    17:46:33 hot tip: Florida Libertarians say give Root the shaft for being an ass so as to avoid Republican taint http://bit.ly/dj5Occ

    17:47:10 Yeah, Root needs to go to the GOP

    17:47:25 http://i.imgur.com/jVfk8.gif

    17:49:39 IPR’s ad setup makes me wanna stab out my eyes

    17:50:50 please feel free to inform their web designer or whoever that this is 2010 and people punish bad ad placements with adblock…

    18:43:20 http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2010/11/daedalus-shrugged-mounting-resistance.html

    20:44:49 can we just dump Root’s body off the keys instead?

    20:47:15 if the patdowns include hands in pants no, I swear I’m going to wear a kilt next time I fly (regimental, natch)

    20:48:38 I’m going to start groping back

    20:49:02 there’s an unspoken rule that if you touch mine, I get to touch yours

    20:58:56 http://nation.foxnews.com/paul-krugman/2010/11/15/nyts-krugman-suggests-death-panels-balance-budget – the fuck…

    20:59:52 “Some years down the pike, we’re going to get the real solution, which is going to be a combination of death panels and sales taxes.”

    21:00:47 He’s so fucking blase about it too… what a fucking sociopath

    22:16:27 disclaimer for poll: for entertainment purposes only

    22:51:39 http://i.imgur.com/FZnwT.gif – you are getting very sleepy… you will vote for the establishment candidate in 2012 or not vote at all

    23:46:47 http://files.neilgaiman.com/mirror/101116211742/www.pennandteller.com/03/coolstuff/penniphile/roadpennfederalvip.html Penn Jillette in 2002’s response to the TSA

    00:22:32 obviously that response had no effect

    00:23:09 other than entertainment value

    01:04:25 TSA = Tyrannical Sexual Assault

    01:04:53 Tourists Sexually Assaulted

    01:37:30 Toss salad again?

    01:39:44 Testicular Search Agency

    01:40:01 lol

    01:40:18 Tourism Suppression Agency

    01:54:22 total sexual abuse

    04:21:10 I like that

    04:35:30 anyone catch the Simpson’s pretty good writing this season on economic type stuff

    04:36:57 mockery is a most powerful tool when properly used with righteousness

    04:58:34 https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AjK_TBeFd4LpdG0xaEc4WUtQbnlaUTM4MzdyRjVOU1E&hl=en&single=true&gid=0&output=html

    04:58:57 Opt Out Day organizing looks like it needs some help

    06:56:28 Can you build a hydrogen collector system that runs off solar energy?

    06:59:37 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEdQRVQtffw

    07:05:20 wow, if the government weren’t so full of suck guys like this would be business tycoons

    07:18:22 Tyrannical Sexual Assailants

    07:21:05 http://www.prisonplanet.com/tsa-now-putting-hands-down-fliers-pants.html

    07:27:37 Testicle Sniffers Association

    07:28:35 I’m so glad the troops are fighting for these freedoms… :,(

    07:29:25 the TSA is trying to provoke terrorism, not stop it

    07:29:33 homegrown

    07:35:46 it’s about indoctrination, dehumanizing us to try and make us easier targets for atomization

    07:36:04 ESPECIALLY THE CHILDREN!

    07:52:51 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeMZGGQ0ERk

    08:07:56 ^ great vid

    08:08:25 demoralization of the masses… hmmm

    08:14:53 LOV3

    08:15:06 R3VOLUTION

    10:02:29 http://www.gonzotimes.com/2010/11/the-corporate-states-grab-continues-with-senate-bill-510/

  9. Darryl W. Perry

    I have motioned the BTP National Committee to pass a resolution stating:
    Whereas the TSA was created after 9/11; and
    Whereas the TSA has consistently violated the 4th Amendment protection against
    “unreasonable searches & seizures”; and
    Whereas the TSA has begun using naked porno-scanners; and
    Whereas the TSA has begun using enhanced pat-downs that border on sexual assault
    and/or molestation;
    Be it resolved the Boston Tea Party National Committee opposes these violations
    of individual rights and liberty; and
    Be it resolved the Boston Tea Party National Committee calls upon the TSA to
    immediately cease and desist the use of porno-scanners; and
    Be it resolved the Boston Tea Party National Committee calls upon the TSA to
    immediately cease and desist the use of enhanced pat-downs that border on sexual
    assault and/or molestation; and
    Be it resolved the Boston Tea Party National Committee the Congress of the
    United States of America to abolish the TSA and require airlines to be
    responsible for their own safety and security.

  10. paulie Post author

    @13 also NYC, from article linked @ 17

    Gigi Bowman of Liberty-Candidates.org and Save Long Island is currently organizing the protest at Kennedy Airport in NYC on National Opt-Out Day on Nov 24, in addition to collaborating with the Liberty Candidates to make the TSA, and the threats to the 4th Amendment, a priority on their next run, which they are already strategizing for.

  11. paulie Post author

    http://crazyforliberty.com/2010/11/16/say-i-opt-out-of-airport-scanners-on-national-opt-out-day-november-24.aspx

    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE November 15, 2010

    For more information, please contact: George Donnelly at 941-538-6399 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              941-538-6399      end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 941-538-6399 end_of_the_skype_highlighting or

    george.donnelly@gmail.com.

    Say “I Opt Out” of Airport Scanners on National Opt Out Day, November 24

    Philadelphia, PA – Pro-consumer grassroots effort We Won?t Fly is organizing mass x-ray scanner opt outs at airports around the nation for National Opt Out of the Airport Scanners Day, November 24, in order to highlight the health and privacy dangers of the Transportation Security Administration?s (TSA) backscatter x-ray airport scanners.

    “Not only are these porno scanners a gross violation of individual privacy,” said co-organizer George Donnelly, “they’re also a threat to the health of millions of passengers and ineffective as well. The goal of the demonstrations is to urge Americans to exercise their legal right to ‘opt out’ of the scan.”

    According to a recent article in the San Diego Entertainer[1], “The scans are detailed enough to identify a person’s gender… to identify a passenger’s surgery scars, or to discern whether a woman is on her menstrual cycle or not.” CNN reports[2] that the scanners include network connections and images can be stored and shared by design. As CBS News recently reported[3], US Marshals saved 35,000 images from similar devices at just one courthouse.

    “This time they’ve gone too far,” declared Philadelphia Opt Out Day rally co-organizer Ken Krawchuk.

    “I have three beautiful daughters, and the last thing I want is some stranger groping them or snapping nude pictures under color of law. Every parent should be outraged at such a gross violation of their children’s privacy. Enough is enough!”

    “Under no circumstances should children be touched by TSA employees,” said We Won?t Fly cofounder James Babb. “The best choice for passengers is to opt-out of the radiation and the groping by avoiding airports entirely. For those that must fly, consider opting out of the scan. It’s better for your health and will bog down their security theater.”

    The scanners arguably add little or nothing to passenger security. In a recent Vancouver Sun article[4], former chief security officer of the Israeli Airport Authority Rafi Sela called the scanners ineffective. “I don’t know why everybody is running to buy these expensive and useless machines. I can overcome the body scanners with enough explosives to bring down a Boeing 747.”

    University of California scientists noted[5] that the airport scanners may pose a serious health risk. In a letter of concern issued earlier this year, they stated, “Our overriding concern is the extent to which the safety of this scanning device has been adequately demonstrated. This can only be determined by a meeting of an impartial panel of experts that would include medical physicists and radiation biologists at which all of the available relevant data is reviewed.”

    “It is breathtaking to witness the speed at which a mere bureaucracy has undone the dignity and freedom of Americans”, added Donnelly. “The TSA can not continue without our consent. Act now. Travel with dignity. Opt out. Better yet, just don’t fly.”

    ###

    We Won’t Fly is a pro-consumer grassroots effort to encourage travelers to stop flying until the x-ray scanners have been removed, and to demand that airlines join with concerned consumers in opposition to the scanners and enhanced pat-downs. For more information, visit WeWontFly.com/opt-out-day.

    Footnotes:

    [1] http://www.sdentertainer.com/news/tsa-installs-body-scanners-san-diego-international-airport/

    [2] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muYh8d70yow

    [3] http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20012785-504083.html

    [4] http://www.vancouversun.com/travel/Full+body+scanners+waste+money+Israeli+expert+says/2941610/story.html

    [5] http://news.ucsf.edu/news-briefs/details/ucsf-scientists-speak-out-against-airport-full-body-scans/

  12. Alaska Constitution Party

    http://www.meetup.com/Alaska-Constitution-Party/

    Wednesday 11/24/10

    Run the Gauntlet: Jam the Scan & Grind the Grope…
    Everyone show up at your local airport to peacefully protest the egregious
    violations of our civil liberties by the TSA. Stand in Line, or carry a sign or
    call the airlines to tell them you are boycotting the system. Resist this mass
    conditioning and control program being INTRODUCED in our airports. This is only
    the beginning of a comprehensive police surveillance state soon to be unveiled
    throughout our communities. Resist Tyranny while you can!

  13. paulie Post author

    Only a matter of time before the cancer ray pornoscanners are in use at train stations, bus depots, subways, deployed along roadsides and roaming the streets in mobile vans…

  14. not mark

    seriously, folks you are that upset walk through the damn scanner or don’t fly! So what if you get a pat down, quit being so damn prissy. Geebus, If you want to get to your destination safely, go through the scan. I personally have no problem, either being patted down or being scanned. Radiation my arse. The amount is so miniscule, besides the amount of crap I have injested in my life time, should have killed me years ago, (still might) I have had surgeries, exrays, been in head on car crashes, been punched, spit on and stepped on. 🙂 I’M STILL HERE. I mean seriously, why are humans making a “federal case” lol out of this? You are just going to delay waits much longer, I say Fine all the babies 10K if they hold up the line. QUIT BEING SO friggen touchy…WALK THROUGH THE DAMN SCAN. 🙂 and have a good one…(reminds of that song, was it the 70’s called “don’t touch me there” ?!

  15. paulie Post author

    @ 28 you really should read all the links here that have already been posted. Every single thing you said is completely wrong.

    1) The scans don’t make us any more safe.

    2) The cancer risk from the scans is greater than the risk of dying from terrorism, given existing data.

    3) Feel-ups make a lot of people very uncomfortable for very good reason. These include children, rape survivors, and many other people.

    4) The amount of radiation is not miniscule. There is evidence that it is much higher than the regime has admitted, and it is concentrated on the skin, which is a very small portion of body mass.

    5) If you “personally have no problem” don’t impose your ignorance on everyone else. Make it voluntary.

    Why are we making a case out of it? Read the links that have already been posted.

    Fine the people holding up the line? I say report the TSA goons for sex crimes and file lawsuits, like a lot of people are already doing.

  16. tiradefaction

    @25

    Well I hope I can put on a good show for the boys at TSA then 😉

    But in all seriousness, that’s pretty scary…, though I think it’ll be a while until they hit the railroads.

  17. not mark

    As for the regime, Bush started the homeland security jazz, (wiretapping etc.) where’s the screaming about that. (I guess the dems screamed about that for 8 years) I personally want any flight I go on to be safe. as for children Just passed 12 years and younger will not be subject to pat down. Do you know how many people, (drug smugglers) are sticking crap up their anal cavities? A lot swallowing heroin balloons, I personally knew some mules in the early 80’s…They did it for money, and the airports were way clueless on this mode, but caught on. You know bombs can be stuck up your anus! lol it sounds funny but they can, don’t you want to be safe? Okay so now no racial profling is allowed HOW can the TSA keep us safe? Do you really think these employees really like the thought of having to touch stinky sweating passengers? I am sure this is no picnic for them either. I am a person who eblieves in sacrifice. If thats the price we have to pay for freedom of terrorism I say GO for it. Also, If my father had been “prissy” about enlisting in WW2, because he might have to share a dirt bed with a fellow soldier or that he would get touched by another soldier while fighting for our nation, THEN WE WOULD ALL BE SALUTING HITLER right now. Stop the insainity sacrifice for once!!!!

  18. not mark

    I for one will strip naked and jump up and down while patting my head and rubbing my stomach at the same time, if thats what my and others safety needs! I will run naked through the airport if need be, rofl seriously though, its no biggie for me. Ask a soldier what he thinks about. Come to think of it a friend of mine who is serving in IRAQ will be coming to dinner here next month, and I will personally get his opinion on the TSA touching. If A SOLDIER of the USA is not adverse to it WE SHOULDn’t either.

  19. paulie Post author

    Are you sure this is the right website for you?

    He’s a pro-duopoly troll who is here mainly because of his personal beef with a certain candidate.

    Bush started the homeland security jazz, (wiretapping etc.) where?s the screaming about that. (I guess the dems screamed about that for 8 years)

    Those of us who really pay attention oppose both the Democrat and Republican led regimes, they are two wings of the same bird of prey. That is why we want to maximize the participation of other parties in the process.

    I personally want any flight I go on to be safe.

    TSA gestapo is not making us safe. Read the links.

    as for children Just passed 12 years and younger will not be subject to pat down.

    So it’s OK to molest teenagers and adults?

    Do you know how many people, (drug smugglers) are sticking crap up their anal cavities?

    End drug prohibition. Legalize all drugs. And end foreign interventionism, too.

    You know bombs can be stuck up your anus!

    This may not be a bad idea for you.

    HOW can the TSA keep us safe?

    They can’t. Shut down the TSA.

    Do you really think these employees really like the thought of having to touch stinky sweating passengers?

    Yeah, some of them definitely do. As previously noted at https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2010/11/pirate-party-in-germany-nude-protest-against-scanners/comment-page-1/#comment-279680


    it is better to be a lot safe than even a little sorry!

    Those who trade freedom for safety deserve neither, and will get neither.

    Is there really something to these objections,

    Yes. See

    http://freestudents.blogspot.com/2010/11/why-tsa-is-more-dangerous-than.html

    attempt to discredit the president and his administration?

    We feel the same way about the last president as well. See

    https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2010/11/ralph-nader-bush-at-large/

    A sentiment I share.

    Have we forgotten what almost happened last Christmas?

    Nope. Read
    Underwear Bomber Wouldn?t Have Brought Down Flight 253

    http://www.wired.com/autopia/2010/03/flight-253/

    For those who are suggesting this is somehow a government-sanctioned sexual assault: this is my personal opinion, but I think you are over-reacting in a very dark way.

    No, it’s the TSA that is over-reacting, and over-reaching, quite literally.

    There are a lot of bad people in the world who would probably love to grope a nun, a five year old or maybe even me, but as someone who travels nearly every week, I can tell you, the data just does not bear out the belief that these people are working as TSA agents, trolling for someone to feel up.

    What data? Why wouldn’t someone like that get a job at TSA? Sounds like a perfect job for them.

    Here’s some data for you…..

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgrdcm/3304306634/

    ?As I was walking to baggage claim at IND, I passed by the TSA booth near security check-in. I was surprised to see what was the desktop/background image on this TSA computer: It is a cover for a fake children?s book called ?My First Cavity Search?.

    You can see a bigger version of the cover here: http://i26.tinypic.com/1zpkwle.jpg

    But seriously TSA ? not cool.?

    Do you really think they enjoy having to probe old men to see if that is really a colostomy bag the scanner shows?

    There’s all kind of strange fetishes out there, that’s for sure.

    http://freestudents.blogspot.com/2010/11/absolute-perversion-of-government.html

    http://storeyinstitute.blogspot.com/2010/11/does-tsa-discriminate-against-gay.html


    I am a person who eblieves in sacrifice.

    You have no right to sacrifice anyone else.

    If thats the price we have to pay for freedom of terrorism

    TSA groping IS terrorism.

    Stop the insainity sacrifice for once!

    Do the world a favor, sacrifice yourself. Don’t decide what sacrifices other people make.

  20. paulie Post author

    I for one will strip naked and jump up and down while patting my head and rubbing my stomach at the same time, if thats what my and others safety needs!

    It doesn’t do anything for safety (see links above and in the thread at https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2010/11/pirate-party-in-germany-nude-protest-against-scanners/ ) and what weirdness you are into has nothing to do with what you can force on anyone else.

    If A SOLDIER of the USA is not adverse to it WE SHOULDn?t either.

    I missed the part where I signed up for the military. Oh, wait, I didn’t.

  21. tiradefaction

    Oh, people really believe the junior high educated “security” at airports really makes you safer? I simply lulz at that.

  22. paulie Post author

    Rwolf comments at http://hammeroftruth.com/2010/tsa-it-is-irresponsible-for-a-group-to-suggest-travelers-opt-out/

    The Nazis used national emergency as a premise to repeatedly target and detain, search and question Germans boarding or taking trains considered political dissidents or morally unworthy; targeted Citizens were intentionally delayed by police/military so they would be late or miss work. Of course many lost there jobs and could not survive.

    Does the lawsuit by The Transportation Security Administration against John Tyne for refusing the X-ray body scan mean; that we don’t dare buy a plane ticket unless we are prepared to submit to a body scan or be sued for $11,000? Pretty soon most persons showing up to fly will be those that will submit to X-ray scans, erroneously giving the impression the public has accepted being repeatedly radiated/scanned before flying. I would not want to own airline stock.

    If not stopped, Airports are just the beginning of Citizens being X-rayed / Stripped Naked by Government, having their Private Body Parts Touched, Squeezed and Patted-Down by Government Employees. It is problematic Americans (next) will be X-Ray Scanned and Physically Molested boarding trains, cruse ships, buses; when entering sports events and office buildings. Continued Low Radiation Exposure is Accumulative and believed to cause Cancer.

    Americans should boycott airlines; that would get TSA’s attention and stockholders of airlines. Meanwhile Not just pilots and flight attendants, “ordinary air passengers” should also be afforded privacy, when felt up, searched at public airports.

    Talk about government in your face. Recently the Obama government purchased hundreds’ of X-Ray Vans that will travel our streets without warrants, x-raying Americans, seeing Citizens naked when walking, standing, riding their bike. Government/police will use the x-ray vans to peer though Citizens’ homes and vehicles, exposing Americans and their families to radiation. X-ray vans are an affront to privacy, allowing government to view Citizens in their bedrooms. Americans need to ask Obama if independent studies were conducted to determine if Citizens could develop Cancer, if (repeatedly exposed) to police X-rays. It is easy to imagine government/police with or without a warrant every night X-raying a person of interest in his or her home. It is foreseeable some Citizens might install similar to smoke detectors, sensors that will set off an alarm, if their home or vehicle is being bombarded with X-rays.

    Obama’s X-Ray Vans can ALSO be used by the military or police to secure perimeters to control civil unrest and instances of revolt, to screen and stop Citizens carrying guns, cameras; any item. Does Obama expect Americans to revolt?

  23. Jill Pyeatt

    not mark says: “You know bombs can be stuck up your anus!’

    paulie says: “This may not be a bad idea for you.”

    Better comback I’ve heard in months!!!

  24. paulie Post author

    I’m not really proud of how I get when I get combative, but part of me does like that some people think I’m good at it 🙂

  25. paulie Post author

    http://hammeroftruth.com/2010/spanking-the-tsa-over-porno-scanners/#comment-1334

    John Pistole says:

    It should seem obvious to anyone who has lived in the USA for some time, that the government has been screwing us for years, now they just want to add foreplay to the mix.

    Seriously, what kind of country have we become when we have to tell our government to keep its hands out of our underwear? Literally, that is what we have allowed liberty and freedom to atrophy to, a state where the government can take tax payers money and give it to the banks on Wall Street who have no legal right to tax payer funds, and a government that can demand to expose me to radiation and/or get my genitalia fondled by government employees.

    Things have gone too far when they expect us to just roll over and whimper into our pillows while they rape us financially, emotionally and apparently, now physically.

    Its go time boys and girls, if you believe in this nation, its time to push back and let the government know once again that they only govern with the consent of the people.

  26. Kimberly Wilder

    Thanks for the link to my article/repost on how foolish these methods are as security.

    I just wanted to say here, the brilliant analysis of the security expert quoted in the Wall Street Journal:

    He says that the use of full body scanners in reaction to the underwear bomber are “magical thinking”.

    Magical Thinking! I love it. That is the naive, ignorant, childish thinking that the government has in thinking this will work, and some citizens have thinking that if they submit to the oppression of their government, they will be safer.

    Magical Thinking. Like a bunch of cavemen, sitting under the stars, planning some superstitious sacrifice to the god of security.

  27. not mark

    Sorry to hear so many of you have paranoia, and fear the “Boogieman” at every corner. I say good, don’t fly more room for those that do, and less BS like old ladies insisting on bringing their “ensure” in plastic bottles. Blame the Terrorists, not the government for this “so called” intrustion.” So much self-esteeem I see on this page, but little accomplishments of those that spout it.
    have a nice “untouchable” day you all.
    :0

  28. not mark

    Okay so do you people that oppose the TSA also NOT stop at stop lights at intersections? Thats also an intrusion of your rights is it not? How dare the local government make us stop. Do you oppose all police dept. too? If not you should, how dare the ogovernement impose police to stop robbers and murderers of their God given right to rob and exploit us. What about Doctors? Shouldn’t they stop life saving measures, as it goes against the law of Free will, what if an unconscious person, really wants to die, but can’t voice it, how dare a doctor try to save him! ITS NOT FAIR! Lets stop all goverbment intrusions, like those by the FDA how dare they make drugs safe!! How dare the Gov, inspect chicken farms and beef, and imports. How dare anyone inspect anything!! We the people need free rein, free will, no restraints, no rules no laws nothing!! Yahoo its the rootin tootin old west. blah blah, go ahead and attack me ITS YOUR GOD GIVEN right. 🙂

  29. Gains

    I blame the terrorists for destroying the WTC.

    I blame tyrannical overreaching for destroying air travel.

  30. paulie Post author

    Packing for the road so I have no more time to read and respond to not on the mark’s foolishness. I leave it up to others now.

  31. not mark

    thats fine paulie, because you don’t discuss, you denigrate and pontificate. Thats not healthy debate, its exactly what you accuse the government of. 🙂 have a nice ____trip

  32. paulie Post author

    http://olegvolk.livejournal.com/919747.html

    10 Ways How TSA Is Making The World A Better Place

    Posted on November 13, 2010 by Mikhail Khlystov (????????? ? ????? ?????? ??? ???????-???-???)

    The Transportation Security Administration at the US airports is getting their new full-body security scanners and new enhanced patdown process which is only slightly less intrusive than an autopsy, and no wonder that passengers, pilots, and flight attendants are revolting against the new rules. However, many of us tend to forget that TSA is actually making the world a better place. Here are the 10 ways how they are doing that.

    1) TSA provides many great employment opportunities to registered and unregistered sex offenders, voyeurs and child molesters, thus keeping them away from your neighborhood.

    2) Because many people are now avoiding the air travel altogether, the TSA actions reduce the pollution from the airplanes while increasing the number of passengers on the much more efficient public transportation such as trains or buses.

    3) It will also generate more revenues for the shipping companies such as FedEx and UPS, due to expected increase in the number of packages sent from the Middle East.

    4) TSA are buying so much radioactive materials for their scanners that Iran will never get enough uranium to make a nuclear bomb.

    5) TSA has finally provided an indisputable proof that an alien spaceship really crashed in Roswell, NM in 1947 by incorporating in their procedures the most advanced and effective alien technology known to humans – the anal probe.

    6) Female travelers will be able to opt out of the annual breast exam in favor of the pat-down, while males will be able to forgo the testicular examinations. And with the TSA success record you can be rest assured that they will not find anything dangerous there. Also, you would get a free massage.

    7) For the children, TSA would provide a viable alternative to Catholic church: children would be groped and molested by a man in a uniform just as they think they are on their way to heaven.

    8 ) The radiation exposure from the scanners will greatly reduce your chances of dying from Alzheimer’s, heart attack, car accident or other unrelated cause of death, although may increase your chances of dying of embarrassment.

    9) The infamous “The Pedophile’s Guide to Love and Pleasure: A Child-Lover’s Code of Conduct” pedophile how-to guide has been pulled from Amazon.com so that it could be converted into a TSA training guide named “The Patdownophile’s Guide to Glove and Security: A Child-Groper Code of Conduct”.

    10) Finally, the TSA security procedures are making the potential terrorists realize that passengers aren’t the real enemy. And on the other hand, the passengers are realizing that terrorists aren’t that scary either.

  33. paulie Post author

    http://dailypaul.com/node/149693

    Ron Paul Introduces HR 6416: The American Traveler Dignity Act — “Imagine if the political elites in our country were forced to endure the same conditions at the airport as business travelers, families, senior citizens, and the rest of us. Perhaps this problem could be quickly resolved if every cabinet secretary, every member of Congress, and every department head in the Obama administration were forced to submit to the same degrading screening process as the people who pay their salaries.”

  34. not mark

    So all TSA employee’s are now pedophiles? Wow, I think some of you may have some serious issues, from your own childhood that you are projecting. Oop there I go accusing again, Just my opinion, you all can oppose the system,. not fly and drive 24 hours to get to your destination. If you don’t like rules, you can always choose your way. Flying is a privilege not a right! So you can choose other modes of transport. I don’t fly much, but my husband does. He is not opposed to being searched.

  35. not mark

    I just thought of another imposition,. the over weight people that have chosen to eat themselves into obese-dom, they have to puchase 2 seats because they overflow their seats!! The nerve of the airline, not wanting other passengers subjected to while flesh overhang, dripping onto another persons lap. I am outraged@

  36. Gary Odom

    “flesh overhang, dripping onto another persons lap..”

    You’re a fine one to talk, “not-Mark.”

  37. not mark

    lol gary do I know you? I know you think I am someone else, surprise I am a very fit female with a pretty good body if I say so myself. I would never have my skin overhang a seat or even my pants waist. Again I state Flying is not a right and the airlines have the right “to reserve service” to those that don’t wish to follow the rules. NO SHOES NO SERVICE.

  38. paulie Post author

    http://fedupflyers.org/the-big-picture/but-flying-is-not-a-right

    by Michael S. Roberts

    If I had a dollar for every time over the past few weeks that I’ve heard someone say, “Flying is a privilege, not a right,” I would have no need to think about my current employment status at all (I’m currently on a leave of absence from the airline). Let’s examine this little – and, I’m sorry, but I do mean little – thought pattern for a moment, shall we?

    The following is my response, cleaned up a bit for public consumption, to a coworker (that’s right, a fellow airline pilot who makes his living the same way I do) who said:

    I do not think that flying on an airplane is an unalienable or natural right.

    I answered:

    Then what is it? And who legitimately owns and grants the rights to it? Whoever they might be, what gives them this exclusive power over we the people who are the authentic governing authority in this country? In other words, how did they come by this power? It could only be through our consent, right? And, if it is our consent that endows them, then wouldn’t that mean that it is we the people who legitimately own and grant the rights to it? And, having established that no other human agency gave us that ownership and power, how is it not a natural right?

    Then the follow up to that is: what real benefit do we derive by transferring our power over to politicians and bureaucrats who, rather than producing goods or services that contribute to the basic needs, welfare, or comfort of ordinary people, instead make their living by siphoning the productivity of others off the market to build their own houses and communities (complete with gates to keep us productive types off their lawns)? Oh, that’s right – we benefit because they, being our betters and the creme de la creme of society, are watching over us, keeping us safe and secure, delivering us from evil, etc. since we cannot possibly take care of ourselves even though we are the ones who gave them the power to take care of us BECA– USE IT WAS OURS TO GIVE.

    The Wright Bros. were just two guys with two brains and a dream who innovated something of genuine value to all humankind. They didn’t have to file any permits, and nobody granted them the privilege of tinkering around in their shop or buzzing around over the ground. But like all new innovative enterprises, early flight was sloppy and dangerous. Although the best minds and technicians available were already giving their all to making it better and especially safer, it only took a couple mishaps to open the door for the state to step in and take over.

    It’s a pattern that has repeated throughout history. Things happen that we can’t completely control. So we seek a higher power to take control. If we’re not happy with what we find, we make our own higher power – only it doesn’t have any power at all except what we give it, reducing our own power in the process. Now we’ve created ourselves a monster to tell us what to do, and we take comfort in knowing that all those big, scary things out there are being handled by the all wise, all knowing thing we created in our own image to save us.

    But, as it grows, its appetite grows too. Now we’re spending more and more of our time and labor feeding it. And, when even that’s no longer enough, it starts to feed directly on us! That’s why, for example, funds from the Recovery Act (your productivity) are being used to stimulate the economy by purchasing really expensive, dangerous machines and hire droves of blue-shirted minions to abuse you when you come to work or wish to exercise your privilege of moving around like the birds of the sky, the beasts of the field, or the fish of the sea. You have erected and empowered and served this thing, crying out to it for help and deliverance, and now that it is turning around and eating you alive, you still come to its defense and justify its sovereign right to exploit, enslave, and abuse you.

    How are driving, walking, or sitting in your den drinking beer and scratching your [self] any different from flying – or are those also privileges, and not rights? Will you still defend the state even when they’re dictating those aspects of your life as well? Oh wait, maybe they already are…

    So, what do you all say? Among our Creator-endowed, unalienable rights, including life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, where does the modern blessing of human flight fit – or does it?

  39. not mark

    I also personally think screaming children is restaurants should be banned as well. Its the owners right to refuse service. (ah, thats what I love about America, freedom works both ways dears)

  40. Northern Exposure

    How very sad…the government shills with their voices so shrill, going to save us, they surely will. It’s okay, take a pill, it’s easier that way, your dignity to kill. Nothing beats flying for that intimate thrill! Have you had your fill, oh wait there’s cavity searches still! TSA will irradiate, grope and fondle, you’ll just shut up, and pay the bill! You may be not Mark, though you’re an ass still…

  41. not mark

    thats all fine and good (to the above) But because we have people that wish to TAKE our freedoms away by blowing us up, (religious zealots) We have a right to be protected from evil doers *g.bush The airports have if anything, a right to not be sued by passengers families that will claim., They (the airlines) did not do enough to keep us safe. But, now they might be sued from passengers because they want to keep us safe. Look, isn’t it better to lean toward caution, than to turn a blind eye to crime? If we prescribe to the “anyone should be able to do anything anywhere etc… We have proven track records that show, we will and Do get taken advantage of. Do you know why motorcyle riders have to wear a helmet? because too many drove withour protection, then sued, the very people and or WE the [people had to pay for their injuries. We the people have shown WE can’t run our own lives (I can so far) When the banks lent money to people that lied on their applications etc..Then they cried I CANT PAY THIS BACK! (ACTUALLY IT WAS MORE I don’t want to pay this, boom! Foreclosures) I am amazed at what We the People, have allowed from our own free will, to let happen. The government steps in when We the people show we the people are A-holes, and can’t tell our left hand from the right. Take a look around you. I do everyday. I am amazed!

  42. Observation

    I thought I would share with the group that I asked Wayne Allyn Root, self-described spokesman for the Libertarian party, to please comment on the new security procedures, and he not only didn’t answer my note, he deleted my whole comment from his wall.

    So much for sticking up for personal liberties.

  43. Gains

    I am far more concerned with the danger of low level violence against all people all the time than the rare danger presented by exploding underwear.

  44. not mark

    I also call the cops on my neighbor when he lets his dog bark for hours on end. I We the people have the right to peace and quiet. I don’t care for WE the People, who choose to let their own sloth behavior affect my little slice of airspace. okay how about the golden rule. Do unto others, I follow this. I always let mergers on the freeway in, I open doors for little old ladies and men, I don’t speed on residential streets. I feed stray animals, and over all I am true to myself. wow I sound pretty g-damn perfect. Well, I am not, I have a cruel mouth at times, I have hurt myself far more than anyone has ever hurt me. Pretty much, we make our own beds we lay in, which reminds me…I need to make mine. Have a good one good debate topic.

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  46. Not a TSA employee

    @79 – um, nope, don’t believe stupid crapyou hear on the radio. But then you are generally misinformed.

    o/t….

    If I Don’t Like Your Flag, I Should Call a Phone Sex Line?
    November 20, 2010 at 12:46 pm by Jim Cook

    I saw this bumper sticker on the back of a pickup truck today as I walked in to the grocery store. Don’t Like My Flag? Call 1-800-LEAVE-THE-USA, it reads.

    That’s not even a proper phone number. If you dial it, the digits after the H in “THE” will be ignored, and you’ll be forwarded to an automatic message that plays for five seconds before the line disconnects, letting you know that for the best live sexy talk, you can call yet another number.

    So phone sex is apparently the solution for anyone who doesn’t like the American flag? Well, the idea’s been tossed around before. Way back when, they said it more succinctly: Make Love, Not War.

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