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Americans Elect Qualifies for Colorado Ballot, Lamm and Tancredo Criticize Effort

Dick Lamm is a former Governor of Colorado and once pursued the Presidential nomination of Ross Perot’s Reform Party. Tom Tancredo is a former Republican Congressman and in 2010 he ran for Governor as a candidate of the American Constitution Party. Both figures were not only prominent members of third parties, but were taken quite seriously by voters and media alike.

Both commented on the occasion of Americans Elect getting on the ballot in their home state, Colorado. Americans Elect is aiming to be on the ballot in all 50 states and is well on its way to that goal.

Former Democratic Colorado Gov. Dick Lamm, who in 1996 sought the Reform Party’s nomination for president before losing to Ross Perot, called the experiment a noble idea, but raised concerns over its timing. Despite Lamm’s own dabble in third-party politics, he says now is not the time to risk taking votes away from President Barack Obama.

“I would have thought Americans Elect was a great idea at another time, but the stakes are higher than at any recent time in our history. A good idea which has become too risky for America’s future,” Lamm told The Colorado Statesmanthis week. “I would rather bear the ills we have than to fly to others we know not of.”

On the other side of the fence, conservative stalwart Tom Tancredo, who in 2010 was a candidate for Colorado governor on the American Constitution Party ticket, said he has his doubts when it comes to minor parties like Americans Elect. As a conservative, Tancredo obviously is not concerned with the outcome for Obama, but he does wonder what a minor party might do for the conservative candidate running against the incumbent president.

“The ramifications of a third party situation can sometimes be detrimental to the cause you’re trying to advance,” Tancredo said, recalling the 2008 presidential race in which he was a candidate for the Republican nomination before eventually dropping out of the race that ultimately pitted Obama against Republican Sen. John McCain. “A third-party candidate against somebody like John McCain and Barack Obama, under those considerations, you have to say to yourself, ‘What if I actually caused Obama to get elected? How could I live with myself?’”

Presumably, both figures are acquainted with the arguments against third parties as “spoilers”.

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  1. Rob Banks Rob Banks December 26, 2011


    “The best thing about quotes you see attributed to people on the internet is that you always know the attribution is accurate” – Abraham Lincoln

  2. Kleptocracy And You Kleptocracy And You December 26, 2011

    The CFR is who will pick the AmEl candidate just like they pick the D & R candidates. Don’t you see ???

    In case you missed this very important artical about America Elects: , you need to read it.

    The Council on Foreign Relations {CFR}run the USA, how many examples do you need to be awaken from your slumber ?!!!!!!!!!

    ” Who the Candidate Ejection Committee is
    So who will be sitting on this candidate ejection committee? Americans Elect has just named the first three committee members. They are:

    Larry Diamond
    — Professor of Sociology and Political Science, Stanford University
    — Member, Council on Foreign Relations

    William Webster
    — Former Chairman of the Board, RAND Corporation
    — Former Director, FBI
    — Former Director, CIA
    — Chairman, Homeland Security and Advisory Council to the United States Goverment
    — Member, Council on Foreign Relations

    James Thomson
    — Former staffer, National Security Council and Department of Defense
    — President of RAND Corporation until last month
    — Member, Council on Foreign Relations

    What is the RAND Corporation? It’s an ostensibly independent non-profit organization that was founded by the U.S. Air Force, is funded by seven different units of the Defense Department and the Department of Homeland Security, and houses three different federally funded research and development centers on military matters. (A CFR Corp. member)

    All on the Council on Foreign Relations. One a major intelligence chief. Another a major player in military policy and research contracts. What interesting choices to decide what presidential candidates the rest of us should be able to choose between. ”

    FYI – the CFR has picked your “choices” all your lives, but you might not have realized it. Know your enemy my friends!

    “One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge — even to ourselves — that we’ve been so credulous. (So the old bamboozles tend to persist as the new bamboozles rise.)” – Carl Sagan

    “The dirty little secret is that both houses of Congress are irrelevant. … America’s domestic policy is now being run by Alan Greenspan and the Federal Reserve, and America’s foreign policy is now being run by the International Monetary Fund [IMF]. …when the president decides to go to war, he no longer needs a declaration of war from Congress.” – Robert Reich, Secretary of Labor under Bill Clinton

    “The ruling class has the schools and press under its thumb. This enables it to sway the emotions of the masses.” – Albert Einstein

    “These international bankers and Rockefeller Standard Oil interests control the majority of newspapers and the columns of these papers to club into submission or drive out of public office officials who refuse to do the bidding of the powerful corrupt cliques which compose the invisible government.” – Theodore Roosevelt

    “In March, 1915, the J.P. Morgan interests, the steel, shipbuilding, and powder interest, and their subsidiary organizations, got together 12 men high up in the newspaper world and employed them to select the most influential newspapers in the United States and sufficient number of them to control generally the policy of the daily press….They found it was only necessary to purchase the control of 25 of the greatest papers. An agreement was reached; the policy of the papers was bought, to be paid for by the month; an editor was furnished for each paper to properly supervise and edit information regarding the questions of preparedness, militarism, financial policies, and other things of national and international nature considered vital to the interests of the purchasers.” – Congressman Oscar Callaway …in the Congressional Record…
    “who controls and censors the media?”:

    “We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected the promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world-government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the National auto-determination practiced in past centuries.” – David Rockefeller

    “For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – one world, if you will. If that is the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.” – David Rockefeller …in his memoirs…

    “I am delighted to be here in these new [Council on Foreign Relations] headquarters. I have been often to, I guess, the mother ship in New York City, but it’s good to have an outpost of the Council right here down the street from the State Department. We get a lot of advice from the Council, so this will mean I won’t have as far to go to be told what we should be doing and how we should think about the future.” – Hillary Clinton, Secretary of State, 7/15/2009
    `~CFR – Council on Foreign Relations Hillary Clinton tells who gives the orders:

    “The Council on Foreign Relations is the American branch of a society which originated in England … [and] … believes national boundaries should be obliterated and one-world rule established.” – Carroll Quigley (Bill Clinton said Quigley was his mentor during 1993 Inaugural Address), speaking of the Globalists’ American political strategy since the early twentieth century.

    “There does exist, and has existed for a generation, an international Anglophile network which operates, to some extent, in the way the radical Right believes the Communists act. In fact, this network, which we may identify as the Round Table Groups, has no aversion to cooperating with the Communists, or any other groups, and frequently does so. I know of this network because I have studied it for twenty years and was permitted for two years in the early 1960s to examine its papers and secret records. I have no aversion to it or to most of its aims and have, for much of my life, been close to it and to many of its instruments. I have objected, both in the past and recently, to a few of its policies … but in general my chief difference of opinion is that it wishes to remain unknown, and I believe its role in history is significant enough to be known.” – Carroll Quigley.
    (Bill Clinton said Quigley was his mentor during 1993 Inaugural Address)

    “In a small Swiss city sits an international organization so obscure and secretive…. Control of the institution, the Bank for International Settlements, lies with some of the world’s most powerful and least visible men: the heads of 32 central banks, officials able to shift billions of dollars and alter the course of economies at the stroke of a pen.” – Keith Bradsher – New York Times bureau chief

    “The powers of financial capitalism had another far reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements, arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences. The apex of the system was the Bank for International Settlements in Basle, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the worlds’ central banks which were themselves private corporations. The growth of financial capitalism made possible a centralization of world economic control and use of this power for the direct benefit of financiers and the indirect injury of all other economic groups.” – Carroll Quigley (Bill Clinton said Quigley was his mentor during 1993 Inaugural Address)

    You must understand the past before you will understand the present.
    The Truth will set you Free!
    True World

    Rockerfeller and the rest of his gang are all generational practising Satanists. Thats all anyone really needs to know coz everything that spews from their mouths is lies? and flies.
    -rushkagon on youtube 5

    The only risk to? the biosphere we live in is vermon like David Rockefeller, these nazis need to find another planet to live on.
    -infamos on youtube

  3. pete healey pete healey December 19, 2011

    I love the way the Dems and Reps circle the wagons when there are external challenges. They have their differences but are side-by-side inseparable when third parties come to call.

  4. Trent Hill Trent Hill Post author | December 18, 2011

    306696–thanks for the talking points.

    Do they run candidates outside of the two party system and offer alternative ballot lines?

    Then it’s a third party.

  5. 306696 306696 December 17, 2011

    Americans Elect is NOT a party, it is a “2nd way” to nominate a President. An alternative that bypasses the traditional party process and puts it directly in the hands of the voters – ALL the voters that care to participate – regardless of party affiliation. And even if you participate in the Americans Elect process you can still vote in your parties’ primary.

  6. NewFederalist NewFederalist December 17, 2011

    Thanks, Don.

  7. aurora1920 aurora1920 December 17, 2011

    It’s NEVER a good time for our 2-party dictatorship to be challenged is it? And they have kept their control by scaring the electorate every four years about what will happen if a 3d party is in the race.

    Well, THIS TIME, if AmericansElect lives up to its promise and IS as principled and idealistic as it claims to be that 3d party candidate is going to WIN. So you two parties don’t have to scare us again–we’ll KNOW what happens when the 2-party dictatorship is broken.

    It’s the fault of the TWO OF YOU, that we’re so disgusted we’re willing to take that chance.

    My candidate is Buddy Roemer and from what he is running on (check his website at things can only get better.

    Start reforming yourselves instead of warning against AmericansElect, so that if you are thrown out for one term, you have a chance of coming back in 2016.

  8. Solomon Kleinsmith Solomon Kleinsmith December 17, 2011

    Well that sure ends the search I was in the process of… looking for someone I knew who knew Lamm and would connect me with him, partially to ask him about Americans Elect.

  9. William Saturn William Saturn December 17, 2011

    If you added the votes of Maes (11.1%) and Tancredo (36.4%), it would not have exceeded Hickenlooper (51%). Based on numbers alone, there was no spoiler in this race.

    Nevertheless, the electorate viewed Maes as a weak candidate. Tancredo did not spoil the race for Maes because Maes had no chance of winning. Rather, Maes had a negative impact on Tancredo who was a much stronger candidate for the electorate.

    I am not defending what Tancredo said about third parties, but his gubernatorial campaign should not be characterized as a spoiler.

  10. johncjackson johncjackson December 16, 2011

    @6 But he didn’t. So he was a “spoiler.”

  11. richard winger richard winger December 16, 2011

    For former Governor Dick Lamm to say Americans Elect might be a good idea in theory, but not in 2012 because the stakes are so high, is laughable. In the period we are living in, there is a sharp distinction on many issues between the Democratic and Republican Parties (not all big issues, but many of them). And in the period in which we are living, there is a close balance between the Dem & Rep Parties. Under those circumstances there will never be a good election year to launch a new party. This is so obvious, it makes Lamm look foolish in my eyes.

  12. William Saturn William Saturn December 16, 2011


    Tancredo had a very good shot of winning the gubernatorial race in Colorado and even came out ahead of the Republican.

  13. Trent Hill Trent Hill Post author | December 16, 2011

    BTW: This was the 9000th post on IPR.

  14. C James Madison C James Madison December 16, 2011

    Subscribers to the spoiler theory assume that voters of third party candidates would have or even worse “should have” voted for their candidate. Many people voting third party are not going to vote for a D or an R so it is not taking a vote away from them, for they never had their vote since the beginning.

  15. NewFederalist NewFederalist December 16, 2011

    “Presumably, both figures are acquainted with the arguments against third parties as ‘spoilers’.”

    Ya think? They both memorized their talking points perfectly.

  16. wolfefan wolfefan December 16, 2011

    Tancredo didn’t care about splitting the vote in 2010…

  17. Trent Hill Trent Hill Post author | December 16, 2011

    Only one candidate has openly declared his intention to run for the Americans Elect ballot line–former LA governor Buddy Roemer.

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