Virgil Goode recently gave a press conference in Lynchburg, Virginia, concerning gay marriage, which has been dominating the news cycle ever since North Carolina voters voted to ban gay marriage and the sitting President, Barack Obama, came out in favor of gay marriage. Goode is staunchly opposed to gay marriage.
Goode Talks Gay Marriage On Local TV Station
Speaking to Grundmann is about as useful as speaking to Phelps.
Granted, they are not all that different.
Cody Quirk called my attention to this thread. I’ve read through it and I have several reactions.
I’m going to do a Constitutional analysis first, then a moral and finally a political.
I am compiling an exhaustive list of powers “delegated” to the government of the United States in its (our) Constitution.
I find no criminal or civil legislative powers of the United States when subjects of criminal or civil legislation are confined to a person or persons entirely within the confines of one particular State,
The civil institution of marriage is except for international, interstate, military, District of Columbia, embassies & consulates, territories and possessions and other properties of the United States Constitutionally held, are entirely in the purview of State legislatures.
DOMA, the Defense of Marriage Act, is, as I understand it, an exercise of a Constitutional legislative power of the Congress of the United States granted in the following provisions:
ARTICLE FOUR Section 1.
Full faith and credit shall be given in each State to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other State.
And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.
I am not an expert on DOMA and if I considered it in detail I might find flaws in it from a Constitutional standpoint. I cannot tell in advance, but if done in accord with the foregoing it would be Constitutionally valid.
As well as an exhaustive list of powers granted the United States in its Constitution, I am also compiling a far from exhaustive list of Constitutional violations as much as possible in textual order of the Constitutional provision they violate.
In the area of marriage there are already several areas of Constitutional violation by the United States as regards taxation and labor legislation.
In general Congress has no Constitutional authority to regulate conditions of labor and employment except in the specific act of interstate commerce or passage over post roads or as regards any US employee or officer.
Tax policies designed to encourage or discourage any condition of marriage or parenthood are already un-Constitutional since what Congress may not do, regulate, command or forbid may not legitimately be encouraged, discouraged, rewarded or penalized in the US tax code.
Similarly virtually all labor legislation by the US Congress is un-Constitutional and any standards, gender based, sexual preference based, parenthood, marital condition, age, disability etc are as un-Constitutional as the underlying legislation is un-Constitutional.
Speaking to Grundmann is about as useful as speaking to Phelps.
Don, if I was a limp wrist coward, I wouldn’t have told you off.
Maybe you should seek Janine Hansen’s advice on how to be a good, convincing speaker -instead of sounding like the Pro-America version of Fred Phelps and piss off people that might’ve supported you had you used a less radical, dogmatic approach.
Grundmann – sorry, don’t have time to read much less dismantle your latest. It would be easy, but I have better things to do.
paulie – In previous times people who supported homosexuality would be shunned because of the inherent understanding that there was something wrong with them. This would multiply by a factor of 100 at least when homosexuals would attempt to indoctrinate/attack children and minimally by another factor of 100 if they had attempted to do so through the public school system. Homosexuals and their supporters would have been ” run out of town on a rail ” for attempting such a monstrous attack upon children.
Gap between paragraphs provided in deference to your poor reading ability and cognition.
Flash forward to our time and open supporters of homosexuality and the indoctrination of children in public schools to accept, endorse, and promote it ( like you ) actually have the gall to compare homosexual perversion to race and to claim that supporters of the defense of children, such as myself, are ” fanatics ” and ” zealots.” And then we have limp wrists like Cody who bleat about ” toning down ” any stand in defense of children ( something which naturally brings your defense of him ) . Not to even mention your total refusal to acknowledge, much less challenge ( because you can’t ), the mountain of facts, such as at CandleCrusade.org, regarding the actions of the Homosexual/Sodomy Movement in their attacks against children already.
Proof positive of the fantastic success of Social Engineering in changing the men of our nation into ever increasing numbers of feminized males who not only won’t defend children from the monstrous attacks being taken and planned against them but actually join in the attack themselves.
Yes, paulie. I am a ” fanatic ” and zealot ” in defense of the children of our nation and our future from the monstrous plans which you and your fellow feminized/castrated mutants have for them. I will NEVER ” tone down ” my defense of them to protect my precious ” image ” and attempt to ” look good ” and/or ” be accepted ” as some people are so willing to do.
I will always oppose your anti-human religion of humanism; the philosophical base of your support of the degeneracy of man to males and justification for the attack upon children by the Homosexual/Sodomy Movement which you support.
Marriage apartheid??? Straight from a Social Engineering course. As I said, the same drivel and rot that you spout can, and will, be used to argue for incest, child molestation, and a ” marriage ” between a pervert and Spot the Dog and/or Mr. Ed the Horse. You couldn’t deny them ” marriage equality ” could you??? And you would definately be a ” fanatic ” and a ” zealot ” if you opposed them. Not to mention that if you attempted to stop such human/animal marriages you would be guilty of practicing ” marriage apartheid.”
And you want to impose this pathology on children for generations to come. Like I said, in past times you and your fellow mutants would have been run out of town – after you were tarred and feathered.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman Constitution Party of California
Cody
No chance of persuading Grundmann, he’s a fanatic and a zealot.
I don’t think a hodgepodge of state marriage laws will work for same sex marriage any more than it could have kept working for different “race” marriage, but I think that would clearly be better than a national policy of intolerance and marriage apartheid.
Don, you’re an idiot that only strengthens your enemies and the enemies of the CP by your own rhetoric; if you changed your tone, then maybe you and your cause wouldn’t be as alienated as it is now.
BTW, I tried contacting you numerous, numerous times in the past and you never responded back to me.
Oh and I’m quite hetro and intend to stay that way, believe me- no need to wear a tinfoil hat, lol
Paulie; ‘marriage equality’ is a state issue, not a federal one, and needs to stay that way- IMO.
Cody actually makes quite a few good points there, despite his opposition to marriage equality.
Grundmann is too tedious to reply to.
Cody – I am so disappointed in you and ashamed of you. Have you been to CandleCrusade.org? Everything which I have said in this thread ( as with my comment in #43 above ) is documented, if not at CandleCrusade then in the major media such as the attempt to pass the civil rights protections for people who like to urinate on each other or roll in feces. It is fact that the Congress tried to pass a bill to give civil rights protections to these degenerates. The Homosexual/Sodomy Movement has a LGBTQ Club in my elementary school. They are working to place them in ALL elementary schools. Is it possible to go ” way overboard ” when they are targeting children??? When they are targeting children starting in kindergarten?? STOP AND THINK – FOR ONE, JUST ONE, DAMN TIME – ABOUT THAT!!!! They are targeting KINDERGARTENERS!!! And then you write the above???? Tension??? Overzealous efforts??? THEY FILED FAKE DOCUMENTS WITH THE STATE YOU FOOL!! I mentioned nothing of that on this thread. YOU brought it up!! Consider rejoining??? They deliberately destroyed it!! And now you blame that on me??
Making the CP ” look bad?” The CP is the last political hope to stop this monstrous attack on children and you say my exposure of the Homosexual/Sodomy Movement makes them ” look bad?” Well Cody your drivel is the perfect illustration of why we are at the edge of the cliff and going over. It starts with cowardice; the cowardice which you have in spades. No, Cody perhaps I am not winning the war. But you have already lost. You have been castrated. To write the cowardly screed which you have illustrates all too well how gone you are. When will you understand that? Your cowardly groveling to outright evil is unfortunately magnified by so many others on this forum and in the nation. They, as you, have given up in order to save their precious ” image.”
I take that back. They openly support perversion. They support it both because they are sick but they also, as you, want to ” look good.” They dare not oppose what they are told to support and endorse lest, as with you, their oh so precious image be tarnished; i.e.; they get no approval for being a lemming. You are ” supposedly ” ( being a member of the Mormon Church ) fighting it. But your screed shows just how far that opposition will go. You have your priorities – my image, my image, my image. You will keep silent just so you can ” look good.” How utterly pathetic. And how revolting. I fear that you represent the entire Mormon Church – they too will collapse before the Army of Death ( the Homosexual/Sodomy Movement ) in order to protect their precious ” image.” And you can be sure that the Army of Death knows that also. They can smell your cowardice.
You actually expect to join with outright evil and then have any possible political organization left which could accomplish anything much less save the nation from the catastrophe which is approaching??? You actually think that groveling to evil to protect your precious image will bring any benefit to anyone except those who are dedicated to evil?
Cody, your screed illustrates perfectly why we will lose – because those who should be men have no balls for the fight. When our ” men ” become feminized wimps we deserve to lose. They have been feminized into submission and surrender to evil. What possible benefit or advance can you provide? You are simply a gutless wonder. After all that they did – lying day after day about Chelene, posting fake internet messages attacking her endlessly, attacking her even after the campaign ended, in addition to deliberately filing fake documents with the state – you have the pathetic cowardice to attack me? After all of the above commentaries defending perversion and the attack on children which the legalization of pervert marriage will bring you are concerned about your IMAGE???? You want me to ” tone down ” my defense of children and my attack on the evil which has them as Its target??? I could ask what you have been smoking but the appalling and staggering answer would be – nothing. This is actually your own homegrown cowardice which is putting out its pathetic squeak.
Maybe I have lost the war Cody. It may be unwinnable when I am one person fighting monstrous corruption and evil and am joined by ” friends ” who are willing to stab me in the back while they grovel and lick the bottoms of the enemies shoes. But I will go down fighting. Grovel and brown nose all you want. Have fun protecting your precious ” image.” As I believe Sam Adams said and to paraphrase him – Depart from us and wear your chains well. We will not tell posterity that we knew thee.
Cody, I was always appalled at Lakes nonstop lying. But your cowardice tops even that. I was appalled at the rush of so many rodents on this and other threads to defend perversion and its advance against our nation and our children. But your cowardice tops even that. Your witless and totally gutless screed is one of the most appalling that I have ever seen.
I have found that there is something worse than death. Patrick Henry would know what I am talking about. To be alive and yet to be a coward – no thanks. I will die fighting this monstrous evil to my last breath and beyond. I may lose the battle but far better to die in battle than to lick the shoe bottoms of the enemies of God. Would YOU possibly ” win the war?” What a sick sick and utterly pathetic joke to even consider.
I will pray for you that god saves you from that fate worse than death which you existing in now. And may He have mercy on you for surrendering to His enemies.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman Constitution Party of California
P.S. – You could have approached me privately ( it is called a phone call ) but since you chose to attack publicly I will ” return the favor.” I venture that say that you have been sitting on your cowardly posterior while I have been fighting it out in the trenches here.
Lake is a 1,000% sociopathic liar but his criticism of you may not be far off the mark.
You have brought great aid and comfort to the enemies of the CP, of the nation, and humanity as a whole. They will be pleased by your groveling. Just don’t bother contacting me again in any way. Your pathetic cowardice is stomach turning.
That’s it! Don, I think you need to stop trying to prove your point here, because you’re only making yourself and the CP look bad.
I can understand some of your reasoning, but Jesus Christ, you need to chill out! You’re not winning any converts to your message- in fact you’re only turning more people against you when you spout off with your rhetoric, and you’re hurting the CP’s image here when you do.
I might oppose gay marriage and believe that homosexuality is a biblical sin, but you go way WAY overboard in your postings that even I don’t agree with it, please tone it down.
Another thing, I think you ought to move out of California- not just because that state is getting closer to economic collapse, but because you have really done more harm then good in the political front- for one, the Robinson/Seidenberg faction would never consider rejoining the Constitution Party because of you, Don.
In fact, the chances of Virgil Goode being the AIP choice on the ballot are ‘iffy’ because of the tension from your overzealous efforts.
You’re not winning the war in California, period, Don. When will you understand that?
” False. It’s a sexual orientation that is a deeply ingrained part of the individual psyche.”
Response – Paulie – You say ” false ” and then immediately prove my point via ” psyche.” Fact – There is ZERO – NONE – NADA – NO evidence that homosexuality comes from physical DNA; i.e.; ( as they always claim ) they were ” born that way.” You are simply blowing the same smoke that the Homosexual/Sodomy Movement puts out to claim that they are victims of biology. I have documented, at CandleCrusade.org, the next logical step of their claim – that molesting children is simply a manifestation of their DNA; i.e.; child molestors are ” born that way.” Hence they 1) ” can’t help themselves'” and 2) are automatically discriminated against when someone tries to stop them for any reason. Of course you will rush to their defense no matter what. This has nothing to do with your physical DNA. You have simply made the choice to not only support evil and degeneracy but also, and especially, its transmission, via Social Engineering attack, into endless generations of children to come.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman Constitution Party of California
And yes, I can also answer everything Mr. Grundmann did not address to me, but as some anonymous poster pointed out “Time is a finite quality.”
Even when I have a bout of insomnia and a computer connection which is inadequate for quality porn, so that should tell you how high Grundmann’s arguments rate.
I’ll leave it to others to address him if they find it to be a good use of their time.
Wrong again. If I have to wade through your nonsense I will only do so if you make it easy enough to read. I owe you nothing, so it is not laziness if I don’t feel like wasting my time answering it. Sodomy is an entirely misapplied concept as I already explained. I do support the equal rights movement so you are right about one thing and one thing only. It is in no way evil. Next time you try to “translate” what I already wrote in plain English into English, do a better job.
False. It’s a sexual orientation that is a deeply ingrained part of the individual psyche. A gay person may engage in straight sex or white knuckle it and have no sex, but they will still want gay sex. In the same vein a straight person, for example in prison, may engage in gay sex but they will still want straight sex. It is not a behavioral choice.
As for “race” it is a pseudoscientific construct which is, again, largely cultural. The actual DNA variation between so called races is less than the variation within alleged racial groups and there are no racially pure individuals or sharp dividing lines between the alleged races. Some people who are identified as white are darker than some who are identified as black.
Like sexual orientation, “race” is a murky combination of biology and psychology that is not well understood or agreed upon by the experts.
Oh gosh, it would be so very wrong of us to require bureaucrats to not discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation. After all that wouldn’t be anything like requiring them to not discriminate on the basis of pseudoscientific theories of “race.” Right?
That will only solve the issue once the state extricates itself from all the other areas in which it intertwines marriage contracts. That appears to be a long way off. Allowing it to discriminate in the meantime is very much not OK.
Me too. But that is nowhere likely to happen anytime soon. In the meantime there are very real issues of discrimination that are connected with regime marriage licenses. They can not be ignored just because we have pie in the sky opinions of what would be good that are a long, long way from happening if they ever will.
Some non-religious people see benefits to being married, and many people – religious or not – see a need to get government marriage recognition for numerous reasons which include but are not limited to taxes, inheritance, court testimony, adoption, child custody, hospital visitation, immigration, emigration, and so on.
In the long run a very good idea and one I fully support as a Libertarian with spiritual beliefs that you would probably not deem to be Christian, although I believe they are mostly in line with the bottom line teachings of Christ.
In the short run it is no more OK for the government to issue marriage license to straight people but not gay people than it is for them to issue licenses to same so called race couples only. By which I mean neither one is OK, for any Merlin Miller supporters who are reading.
I do however plan to stop advocating for marriage equality the very day the government gets out of the marriage business. I don’t consider it my business to tell churches who they should or should not marry. Until that happens I will unfortunately have to waste some of my time begging that the regime which forces itself on me treat all my neighbors the way I would like them to treat me should I ever wish to get married again.
And while I do believe in rendering unto Cesar what is legitimately his – which is to say nothing at all – I’ll call for him to do the right thing until he strings me up.
Jed – It is hard deciding where to start with your nitwit comments but I will nevertheless give a few clues to you who are, by your own choice, clueless.
1) Perverts/homosexuals can get ” married ” right now. No one is stopping them. They can do whatever they want in their personal existence ( not life ). You, as a pervert, have the same individual liberties as everyone else. The only problems for the perverts is that; except in those states which have chosen to betray the nation and legalize the recognition of their emotional pathology; their ” marriage ” will not be state legalized and recognized. And THAT is a problem for the perverts since the REAL intention of legalizing pervert marriage is to then use the totalitarian force of the state to force the indoctrination of ALL children, starting in kindergarten, that homosexual perversion is normal and natural; a total lie. The intended goal of the Homosexual/Sodomy Movement – the mass mental, if not physical, molestation of the children of the nation via the force of the state in order to annihilate their inherent morality and identity – is being thwarted.
Hence you are simply complaining that you, to this moment, cannot hide behind the Constitution to impose your monstrous totalitarian Orwellian attack upon the children of the nation.
2) Where in the Constitution does it mention pervert/homosexual marriage as a ” right?”
3) If you want to crap in the middle of the street then you certainly have the ” liberty ” to do so except that society has, officially or unofficially, decided that certain behaviors are to be minimally declared illegal if not discouraged in many other ways for the general good of the populace. Rolling in feces or being urinated on are 2 practices which, while all too common in the homosexual community, have been minimally frowned upon in normal society because NORMAL ( REAL ) PEOPLE, not psychotics, rightfully consider such behavior to be sick; i.e.; pathological. Of course this did not stop the recent ( within the last 2-3 years ) attempt of the U.S. Senate to pass a bill where the practitioners of such degeneracy would get special civil rights protections as a protected class of people. A protected class that could then, via legal mandate, teach the children in the public schools the joys of rolling in feces and being urinated upon. Fortunate the bill failed – this time. But it gives a very clean window into the intentions of the Homosexual/Sodomy Movement for where they intend to go when pervert/homosexual marraige is legalized.
Bottom Line – Jed, the CP stands up for your REAL Constitutional rights. We oppose your FAKE Constitutional rights that declare that you have a ” right ” to impose your pathology upon the children of the nation via the public school system.
You can take your lies and shove them up where you put your ” individual liberties.”
We say NO to your totalitarian degeneracy.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman Constitution Party of California
Don–Id like to hear that reason.
Don, you’re the only one with an agenda. An agenda of totalitarian control over people’s personal lives. Odd that you call yourselves the Constitution Party, as the U.S. Constitution protects individual liberties, something that the CP shuns.
Red – Since you have asked, I had a very particular reason that I can, if you wish, relay to you privately.
Don, I hope you don’t mind answering a question for me. Why didn’t you vote for yourself for President at the CP Convention? If you had it would have thrown the voting to a second round.
” It’s a first world luxury that we even care about this. How many people care about gay rights in the poorest countries? Why should Democrats even care a lot about gay rights anyway? A lot of them are really libertarians so it won’t even help the Democrats keep power. The gay rights fight is resulting in our children being killed in wars and our economy being destroyed.”
Response – ” It’s ” – The reason that so-called ” gay rights ” is being pushed is precisely because we are a 1st world nation that our enemies intend to reduce to 3rd world by many methods inclusive of destroying our religious, cultural, and social foundations by legalizing homosexual marriage. Democrats, and many other enemies of our nation – specifically of its Christian foundations – care about homosexual ” rights ” because they know that these are a weapon to use against our nation. Democrats gain power via shattering the culture of our nation; i.e; making people dependent on government for their existence instead of being free men and women. Hence promoting degeneration, immorality, perversion, and sickness actually gives Democrats ( and their Plantation Master controllers ) more and more power from the resulting deterioration of our society. Keeping us in continuous wars, destroying the economy via NAFTA and countless other reasons, and pushing for the legalization of homosexual/pervert marriage are all different attack fronts by the same people ( our Plantation Masters ) who have declared war on America. When, and if, our Christian culture is destroyed then our nation is finished. This is a war to the death.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman Constitution Party of California
” It’s the Economy, Stupid // May 15, 2012 at 8:56 pm
Anybody who cares one way or the other about gay marriage is a moron.”
Response – ” It’s ” – Culture and economics are inseparately tied together. Why do you think the economy is in the tank? Answer – Because culture deterioration ( deterioration of our citizens ), like believing in fairy tales/fantasy such as so-called ” Global Warming ” as just one example of thousands, leads to economic deterioration. People, as with numbers, do not exist in a vacumn. Both affect each other. Most specifically, as our culture becomes more perverted; i.e; we accept, promote, and endorse the rise of feminized men ( actually males and not men ) our economy will reflect this corruption. You can’t build an economy on a base of psychotic, broken, and shattered people. Moral collapse leads to economic collapse. That is just one reason ( among countless others ) that stopping pervert/homosexual marriage is of vital importance to the future of our nation. If it is legalized our culture, society, and nation will never recover from our automatic resulting decline and demise. Morality trumps/overrides economics.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman Constitution Party of California
” I’m not reading your overwrought, too long paragraphs and you are not convincing anyone much less yourself.”
Response – English translation – I support everything that the Homosexual/Sodomy Movement is working for so I will use the argument of laziness to avoid having my support of this evil challenged.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman Constitution Party of California
Paulie @ #16 – Interracial marriage has absolutely NO connection to homosexuality. Skin color via genetics is, unless you were Michael Jackson, unchangeable. Homosexuality is a behavioral choice that has nothing to do with physical DNA. To attempt to connect interacial marriage and homosexuality is yet another lie from the Homosexual/Sodomy Movement to advance their REAL agenda which I have described at CandleCrusade.org.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman Constitution Party of California
Jose C. – 1) There is no such thing as ” gay people,” only homosexual for which ” gay ” is a marketing and Social Engineering term to promote homosexuality. 2) There can never be any such thing as ” separation of church and state ” as all people are religious; even atheists and agnostics. When someone says they want ” separation of church and state they really mean that they want to replace Christianity with their own Religion of Humanism. 3) The real reason for promotion of homosexual marriage is described at CandleCrusade.org. It is the stepping stone to permanently attacking the children of our nation.
Don J. Grundmann Chairman Constitution Party of California
@23 Time is a finite quality.
@24 The question is whether gay people should have the right to engage in relationships of their choosing. I would say yes, they do. That should end it. But gay people want to go further and they want the State to recognize their relationships. Should the State be required to recognize gay peoples relationships? I would say no. The way to solve this issue is by calling for the separation of marriage and state in the same way that we have a separation of church and state.
I wish government would get out of marriage all together. There is no reason for anyone to ask permission from the state in order to get married. I do believe that marriage is a religious sacrament and should be performed by the churches(any faith). The govt. likes to divide us and give favor to some and not others. Remove all benefits and penalties associated with marriage and this argument goes away. This is just how I feel and for what its worth I am a Christian and member of the Constitution Party.
Big government in one part of our lives leads to big government in all parts of our lives.
Because nobody who fights for gay rights can also fight to end all wars and fight for fiscal responsibility. Nope. Nobody at all.
Stupid: “The gay rights fight is resulting in our children being killed in wars and our economy being destroyed.”
You’re right! If the gay rights fight didn’t exist, those things wouldn’t be happening.
Thanks for bringing up the economy, stupid 🙂
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Illegal immigrants take jobs from our citizens. We must stop illegal immigration and secure America’s borders. Our borders are porous and are far too open to illegal immigrants, potential terrorists, and drug dealers.
I believe that reasonable energy costs are crucial to a viable United States economy. We must be allowed to drill for oil in our country, authorize the pipeline from Canada to Texas, and develop sources of energy in this country. We must preserve jobs in America for Americans. I support the fight against trade legislation and agreements that shift manufacturing jobs outside the United States.
Social Security must be preserved for senior citizens and the disabled. Social Security and Medicare are lifesavers for millions of Americans. Millions have paid and are paying from their paychecks into the Social Security and Medicare Funds. The President and Congress should save Social Security and Medicare for those who have paid and are paying.
That’s a whole lot of stupid right there.
Anybody who cares one way or the other about gay marriage is a moron. The gay community already gets too much attention, both positive and negative. They can either get marriage rights or not for all I care. Gay obsessives and anti-gay obsessives are in a conspiracy together to destroy the economy. The gay community takes attention away from needed economic reforms with their pathetic wining, and at the same time anti-gay people refuse to work with pro-gay people because of this issue. It’s a first world luxury that we even care about this. How many people care about gay rights in the poorest countries? Why should Democrats even care a lot about gay rights anyway? A lot of them are really libertarians so it won’t even help the Democrats keep power. The gay rights fight is resulting in our children being killed in wars and our economy being destroyed. Paulie and Grundman are on the same side; the same conspiracy.
In Russian the term for that is Bolshevik (majoritarian). True story.
Becker: “Thirty states either have constitutional or statutory bans on queer marriage. That’s a majority.”
So what? Are you implying that what’s right is determined by a majority?
@15
Grey=states that never had laws against “race mixing”
Green=anti-“race mixing laws” repealed before 1887
Yellow=…repealed 1948-1967
Red= repealed 1967 following Loving v Virginia supreme court decision
Your marriage discrimination laws: about 50 years behind that and headed the same way.
Thirty states either have constitutional or statutory bans on queer marriage. That’s a majority. Here is the map from wiki (Iowa looks out of place): http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/Samesex_marriage_in_USA.svg/800px-Samesex_marriage_in_USA.svg.png
@12 Very much agreed. The marriage equality issue is actually what led me to join the Libertarian Party. I knew I was fiscally conservative, but the Republican Party’s stance on marriage (among other things) turned me away.
As for Goode and the Constitution Party, as with all third parties I wish them the best of luck. No way in hell I’d vote for them though.
@11 to hate that and to want to stop it with government force – that is what is truly perverse.
I promise I don’t want to indoctrinate children, destroy the family, bring down Christianity, or bring down America. I just want to marry the man of my dreams and live my life in peace.
The persecutors go after people for what they themselves do and hate themselves for, or for what they yearn to do but can’t let go of their hangups. They externalize their own guilt, fear, frustration and shame. If they can beat it out of others can they beat it out of themselves at the same time?
No one likes run on paragraphs Don.
The fact is, if my neighbor is gay, and he wanted to get married to another person of the same sex, that isn’t going to affect MY life. I’m happily married with a wonderful wife and a beautiful baby boy. A gay couple isn’t going to change my orientation and I doubt it will change the orientation of any person, especially religious conservatives who want to keep it illegal.
Stop trying to use big government to force your moral views upon the people. Otherwise you’re no different than liberals.
Grundmann – give it a rest, dude. I’m not reading your overwrought, too long paragraphs and you are not convincing anyone much less yourself.
” Marriage Equality ” – yet another Social Engineering phrase in training the masses to accept both their demise and especially the attack upon and destruction of their children. The same arguments for so-called ” Marriage Equality ” can, and will, be used for – poligamy, incest, sex with children of any age, a ” marriage ” between Joe Pervert(s) and Spot the Dog or Mr. Ed the Horse; etc. After all any opposition to any of the above will obviously ( by the standards of those who support homosexual marriage ) be ” bigoted ” and will be denying the ” rights ” of those who wish to be ” married ” and/or have sex with children. By the definition of those who support homosexual marriage any opposition to the above possibilities will obviously be denying the ” rights ” of those who are ” discriminated against.” Only ” religious bigots ” will oppose sex with children of any age. As described at CandleCrusade.org the real purpose of homosexual marriage legalization is to kick in the front door of the public school system and mass indoctrinate students, starting in kindergarten, to accept, endorse, and promote the pervert ” lifestyle.” As I describe there is ALREADY a ” Gay-Straight-Bisexual-Transgender-Queer ” club in my elementary alma-mater. Homosexual/Sodomy loving ” parents ” are already monitoring ALL age groups, including kindergarteners, for any deviation from proper allowed Orwellian thinking; i.e.; total acceptance of homosexuality/sodomy. ALL children will be targeted for ” reeducation;” i.e.; annihilation of any moral values. To have such a mass attack against the children of our nation is a declaration of war upon the nation and its future by the promoters of homosexuality/sodomy.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman Constitution Party of California
Marriage equality is not perverse – thinking it will hurt your straight marriage is.
Gay love and sex is not perverse – sexual identity insecurity leading to the need for hetero-role affirmation manifesting as overcompensatory mandating of intolerance and forced punishment is.
So do my….what was the sin? Gay sex among consenting adults? Rape? Pedophilia? Child and/or child-proxy rape, as I actually read it. Very different things. Yet today we misuse the term sodomy as a synonym for gay sex and non-reproductive straight sex.
1) There is no such thing as ” gay.” This is a marketing and Social Engineering term to replace homosexuality and give perversion a ” poistive spin.” 2) The true intent and purpose of so-called ” gay ” marriage can be found at CandleCrusade.org. 3) Those who support homosexual marriage either directly or indirectly support the goals of the Homosexual/Sodomy Movement as described at the site.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman Constitution Party of California
Realizing I’m neither a (modern/progressive) liberal nor a conservative does not distress me at all.
I hate the issue of gay marriage, because so many people that I agree with economically will start spewing bigotry of gays and I’m just like, “Yup, I will NEVER be a conservative.”
Looked for Lynchberg VA with an E and not having found one I assume you meant Lynchburg so I changed it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynchburg,_Virginia with a U not an E