Virgil Goode, the Constitution Party nominee is riding a wave of media coverage due to his home state of Virginia being a swing state and the possibility of him being a spoiler. The Daily Beast reports that
If any state is threatening to have a close election, it’s Virginia. The Real Clear Politics average of polls in the state show Obama up by just 0.3 percent this week. In the Senate race in the state, former Democratic governor Tim Kaine and former senator George Allen are in a dead heat at 46 percent each in the latest NBC/ Marist poll.
And a PPP poll (PDF) taken last month showed that Goode’s presence on the Virginia ballot would have at least some effect on the race, and could significantly hurt Romney in a tight contest. The numbers showed Goode at 4 percent statewide, but pulling Romney’s GOP backing down by as much as eight points.
For that very reason, Goode’s presence in the race has prompted some Republicans to call for him to get out. But the conservative-Democrat-turned-independent-turned Republican is losing no sleep over the prospect that he could affect the final outcome in November.
“My positions are the only ones that, long range, will really save America,” Goode told The Daily Beast in an interview. “Both candidates talk about jobs, but we need jobs for American citizens first,” Goode said. “I think citizenship should count for something…and it really counts for nothing.”
Read the whole article at The Daily Beast: Virginia Ex-Congressman Could Cost Romney the Election
Don’t offer wagers if you have no intention of making them good. That is fraud.
LOL I don’t gamble and I don’t really have $100 to throw around. I just want a gentlemens bet, to see who is right. Not to actually bet real money. 😛
@ #1 – Seidenberg is right I think: weird is not the right way to describe the CA AIP. Stupid? um, close … kooky, a little warmer … irrelevant? Ding! That’s it!
Wait – an inspiration: Stupid, Kooky, AND Irrelevant. Something for all of us to buy into.
Seidenberg is clearly taunting the CP for his own sadistic purposes by posting on these threads. Grundman is clearly right about that
At 22, is this We Want You site some sort of competitor to US Parliament? I suggest James Ogle and the We Want You guy should have a caged wrestling match at the next LNC meeting, to decide who is really the king of the political spam roll playing game industry.
BUT… do you accept Trent’s reply to your bet?
I used to live in Charlottesville, VA. I’ll be honest, I voted for Goode against Periello in 2008. No third party options.
“Who wants to make a bet on who will get more votes in VA? Goode or Johnson? I vote for Johnson.”
I’ll take the bet. $100?
Trent… shame on you! Taking easy money from one of your writers! 😉
If anybody costs Romney the elections it is Romney and the Republican establishment. If Romney’s voting record a gov was any different than Obama as president he would win easily. If the Republican establishment did not undermine Ron Paul they would have a winning candidate that would ‘take’ votes from both Goode and Johnson.
#26 just made this thread very interesting!
Virgil Goode is not on the California ballot because an alliance of the Southern Poverty Law Center ( SPLC ), the Anti-Defamation League ( ADL ), and the Republican ” moderate ” Establishment ( the power behind Romney ) attacked the CP in 2008 by having their mole/agent Mark Seidenberg and his fellow moral and literal criminals file fake documents with the California Secretary of State office to seize control of the AIP via the crime of fraud. Their criminal actions have been documented at TheCorruptionOfAlanKeyes.blogspot.com.
Seidenberg is an SPLC/ADL/Republican agent who is part of a nationwide attack upon the 3rd party conservative movement.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman Constitution Party of California
“Who wants to make a bet on who will get more votes in VA? Goode or Johnson? I vote for Johnson.”
I’ll take the bet. $100?
Just to hedge the bet even more: I predict that Johnson will outpoll Goode in northern Virginia, while the CP beats the LP in Roanoke and the southern part of the state.
It would be great if the CP and LP cost the Republicans the election, but they will lose it even without us. Look at the horrible candidate they chose!
Mark Seidenberg, don’t play dumb. Goode is not on the ballot in CA because the CA AIP did not nominate him, which they had the chance to do.
Mr. Goode and his supporters are welcome to submit his candidacy and promote his campaign on http://www.wewantyou.us – the Virtual Election headquarters.
We’ve removed money from the equation and created an environment where citizens can vote their conscience without the fear of “wasting” their vote in the polling booth. All votes are confidential.
Best regards,
Michael Moore
Founder
We Want You
Oklahoma was the most lopsided state for McCain, so it’s not like they have a reason there either.
“dismemberment”
The Republican Party is the greatest enemy of Liberty in America today.
The first major step on the road to Liberty will be the death and dimemberment of the Republican Party.
Tom @ 16 is right – the voters are the people who will make sure Romney loses the election.
In Michigan and Pennsylvania, where Republicans have tried to keep Gary Johnson off the ballot, the Romney campaign has stopped nationally paid advertising, ceding the state to Obama.
In Michigan and Pennsylvania, the Republicans no longer have a strategic reason to be jerks. They are just being jerks to be jerks.
I live in California.
If anyone “costs” Romney the election, it will be the voters.
Their votes do not “belong” to Romney.
Goode is not “stealing” their votes from Romney.
A voter’s vote does not belong to a candidate until the voter chooses to give it to that candidate.
Austin Batterberg
You still have not posted your home state.
You are correct for California. The LP is larger
than the CP. The CP only have 207 electors in
California as of May, 2012. However, the LP
numbers are way down. To be ballot qualified
in California one needs 103,oo4 electors. Both
LP or CP do not have those numbers.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party of California
Virginia and New Mexico will be interesting to watch on election night. Both have a former popular Republican running third party. I want to see how many people will vote for someone they like or want as opposed to the selection given to them by the Republicans and Democrats.
So now even Austin is hedging? Why can’t this bet be simple?
I think it will be interesting to watch. Virginia is Goode’s home state and a conservative one at that, but the LP is bigger than the CP and has more supporters.
And correct me if I’m wrong but I thought the AIP of CA put the CP Presidential candidates on the CA ballot line in prior elections before 2008. And that most of the time the CP has relied upon the AIP to get on the ballot in CA. Lets face facts, California is not a very social conservative state, and both the AIP and the CP are pretty social conservative parties, and share a lot of common ground.
So let’s get this straight… Austin believes Johnson will poll more popular (not electoral) votes in Virginia than Goode. Mark believes it will be the other way around. Agreed?
New Federalist
I was just suggesting an alternative bet for CA.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party of California
P.S. I think Goode will get more votes in Virginia than Johnson of NM. People in Virginia
know an respect Virgil Goode, more that Governor Johnson.
Read it again, Mark… Austin said in VA. He did not say in the entire US.
Austin Batterberg
It is a no brainer! Johnson is on the California ballot and Goode is not!
A direct answer to your question of will the answer is NO! However to the question of may,
which you did not ask is YES also!
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party of California.
Mark @5 Didn’t the Constitution Party and the AIPCA have a relationship in the past where the AIP would put the CP candidate in CA prior to 2008?
Who wants to make a bet on who will get more votes in VA? Goode or Johnson? I vote for Johnson.
Goode will not keep Romney from winning in November because Romney doesn’t have a chance in hell of winning. It’s over for the Republicans.
The only interesting part of the 2012 POTUS race is to see how many votes the 3rd party and independent candidates will manage to get.
Obama will win over 320 electoral votes easily. There will be few close states and they will not have enough electoral votes to change the outcome if they had switched.
Jeromy C. Young,
Why did you pick California as one of the TOP TWO states as weird? What state are you from?
Mr. Goode did not have ballot access in CA,
because CA Secretary of State Bowen (a Democrat) rejecting his running for POTUS.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party of California
Articles like this assume Romney is going to win and that the presence of Goode is going to alter that outcome.
Romney winning is an assumption based on want not data.
Because of the EC, Romney would need to advertise that Good can’t even be President even if they vote for him. His votes should disappear.
Marketing works if planned properly.
0.4% sounds about right and much of that will come from people who wouldn’t have voted but for Mr, Goode being on the ballot. He may cost Rmoney Virginia and the election, and that will be the anti-3rd party spin, but imo his true impact will be negligible.
BHO is basically even with Rmoney in VA according to RCP average of polls, in 2008 he defeated his closest challenger by 7.3 points.
IMO, the economy and the arab nightmare will have a far (far) greater impact on VA and nationally than will Mr. Goode.
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I think he will get something like .4% in Virginia.
But I would LOVE to see him get something like 2% and have Obama win the state by a few thousand votes. That would be fun.
I feel bad for Goode. He’s run a decent, if uninspiring, campaign, and he hasn’t even gotten to 270 electoral-vote ballot access due to ridiculous people in various states who are beyond his control and have nothing to do with him. If I were a paleoconservative third party activist, I might not see Goode as my first-choice nominee (or second or third), but I’d sure as heck try to make sure he could run a respectable campaign that future candidates could build on. These people in California, Kansas, and other states are just weird.