October 23rd Debate Winners Announced: Johnson and Stein Move On

On October 23rd, Free and Equal hosted a debate in which Governor Gary Johnson, Congressman Virgil Goode, Mayor Rocky Anderson, and Dr. Jill Stein all participated. It was aired on C-SPAN and a number of other channels. There was a round of voting lasting 24 hours at the Free and Equal website which determined which two debate participants would move on to the next debate.

Free and Equal has just released the names of the two winners. Gary Johnson placed first with 28,149 total votes, after the runoff was accounted for. Jill Stein placed second with 15,305 votes. Rocky Anderson was a distant third with Virgil Goode placing right behind him in fourth.

18 thoughts on “October 23rd Debate Winners Announced: Johnson and Stein Move On

  1. paulie

    For Immediate Release
    October 25, 2012

    What: Third Party Presidential Debate
    Where: Busboys and Poets, Washington DC – 2021 14th St NW, Washington, DC 20009
    When: Sunday, November 4, 2012
    Time: 7:30-9:30 p.m.
    RSVP: Open to media, please RSVP to info@nader.org

    (Washington, D.C.) – The candidates* from four political parties –
    Gary Johnson (Libertarian), Jill Stein (Green), Virgil Goode
    (Constitution) and Rocky Anderson (Justice) – will meet for a two-hour
    debate on Sunday, November 4, 7:30 p.m. at Busboys and Poets
    restaurant located at 2021 14th St NW, Washington, DC 20009. Busboys
    and Poets is a well-known venue for frequent political, civic and
    cultural events.

    The debate will be moderated by Ralph Nader, and will focus on
    subjects and issues that have largely been ignored or avoided, as they
    are too controversial, by the 2012 Republican and Democratic
    presidential candidates.

    The questions and exchanges in the Obama/Romney debates have been
    cautiously circumscribed, predictable, scripted and repetitious.

    Having experienced the challenges, obstacles and exclusions from
    ballots and debates as a third-party and independent presidential
    candidate, Mr. Nader is aware of how the conventional taboos and
    censorship produced by a two-party duopoly diminishes the political
    environment. This debate will highlight little-discussed major topics,
    redirections and citizen empowerments which reflect widespread popular
    interest, either by way of support or opposition.

    Political debates should not be rationed. They should become more
    numerous, innovative and extend beyond the narrow routine of the
    Commission on Presidential Debates (CPD), created in 1987. The CPD is
    still captured by the Republican and Democratic Parties, memorialized
    through a written, exclusive agreement every four years between the
    two candidates.

    The event is open to all media. An RSVP is requested to Ralph Nader at
    info@nader.org or 202-387-8034.

    * Gary Johnson was an entrepreneur before being elected to two terms
    as governor of New Mexico from 1995-2003. Jill Stein was a practicing,
    Harvard-trained physician, former candidate for local and state
    offices, and a successful author. Virgil Goode was a member of the
    U.S. House of Representatives from 1997-2009. Rocky Anderson was Mayor
    of Salt Lake City for two terms (2000 – 2008) and a practicing civil
    rights lawyer.

    (The nonpartisan release above (online at
    has been forwarded by the DC Statehood Green Party, which has
    major-party ballot status in the District of Columbia.

  2. paulie

    BTW I am able to post comments from dashboard but I can’t open any comments or stories from the front page. Not sure if I should post stories until that is all cleared up. Earlier today Joe said he was seeing a bunch of other comments that I was not seeing and forwarded me a couple of them. I refreshed the screens (main page and dashboard) and still not seeing any of those

  3. paulie

    @ rt.com: runoff debate will focus on foreign policy

    Libertarian Party candidate Gov. Gary Johnson and the Green Party’s Jill Stein will sound off once more before Election Day, with both presidential hopefuls now slated to debate live from RT’s Washington, DC studio on October 30.

    Tens of thousands around the globe watched earlier this week when broadcasting legend Larry King moderated a debate between the top third-party candidates live from Chicago. As those politicians continue to be shunned by the mainstream media and political establishment alike, though, they remain excluded from presenting their platform to the country on the eve of a historic election. RT aims to make a difference, however, and will host Johnson and Stein to speak their minds on the topics Americans really care about in 2012.

    Following the success of this week’s Third Party Presidential Debate broadcast on RT live from Chicago, the top candidates as selected by voters on the Free and Equal Elections Foundation website will move on to a second debate from the nation’s capital, this time answering questions dedicated solely to foreign policy.

    “The voters have spoken, and we are pleased to announce that Gary Johnson and Jill Stein will advance to the second debate,” Christina Tobin, founder and chair of Free and Equal, tells RT.

    When Johnson and Stein took the stage to participate in the first third-party debate this year, the candidates sounded off on questions that, while vital to the voting public, were absent from the discussions held between President Barack Obama and challenger Mitt Romney during the televised debates that selected only Democrat and Republican politicians to participate.

    The second and final third-party presidential debate will be held on October 30 from 9:00 p.m. to 10:30 p.m. Eastern Time, (October 31, 1:00 a.m. – 2:30 a.m. GMT) and will be aired on RT America as well as RT.com and on RT’s YouTube channel.

  4. Oranje Mike

    I think Jill Stein benefited greatly from being the Green Party nominee and ballot access with a mathematical chance at winning. If not for that I don’t see how she received so many votes. I thought she did a mediocre job and I’d rank her 4 out of 4 based only on performance.

  5. Trent Hill Post author

    It doesn’t have a thing to do with ballot access for a mathematical chance at winning or her debate performance. The candidates with the two largest (internet) constituencies won.

    Anderson is a member of a brand new party with very little identity–he didn’t win because of that. Goode is the nominee of a party of predominantly older individuals, which is why he didn’t get the needed votes. Both represent parties that represent fewer committed voters than the LP.

  6. paulie

    Given that it’s a foreign policy debate it makes less sense than ever that it’s a runoff. I know the organizational reasons they did a runoff, but I would have preferred to hear Goode in a foreign policy debate. Didn’t learn about that until after the vote.

    As far as debate skills, I think Johnson and Anderson did best. Stein was 3rd IMO. I never got past Goode’s voice, and it’s not because it was Southern. I watched it twice, both times in Birmingham, Alabama. Once at a bar, and once at my friend’s house. Everyone had the same reaction. I think most of the people at the bar were native Alabamians. I know for a fact that my friend and his wife were born and raised here and have lived here their whole lives.

    I preferred to have Johnson and Stein in the last debate because they have the most ballot access, and, as far as I can see, the most support. However, for a foreign policy debate it would have been better to have all four, or failing that, Johnson and Goode. Luckily, Nader has another debate with all four.

  7. Kevin Knedler

    Demographics are on the side of the LP. Younger voters, small business owners, and people that “want to be left alone”. Agree that older voters tend to support CP and the GOP.
    LP has to stay on message and drive the brand.

  8. Kevin Knedler

    The LP truly represents the “Middle” of America for all the reasons I mentioned above.
    You want socialism, or corporatism, or freedom. It’s your choice.

  9. Jill Pyeatt

    KK @ &: “LP has to stay on message and drive the brand”. Well said! I agree.

    I wish all four were going to be in the second debate, but since Green and Libertarian are the biggest third-parties, I think those Johnson and Stein are a good choice.

  10. JamesT

    Rocky clearer did better than Jill. I think people just voted based off party identity. And in VG case not all since he isn’t really even a constitutionalist.

  11. Gene Berkman

    It actually does seem silly to have Free & Equal sponsor a debate because the CPD limited their debate to two candidates, and then have a vote to select just two candidates for another Free & Equal debate.

    I agree with Paulie. I would like to hear Virgil Goode on foreign policy – since his record is so at odds with the Constitution Party platform.

    But I guess F & E did the vote thing for two reasons – to get people to participate interactively with F & E – and maybe bond – and to demonstrate IRV.

  12. NewFederalist

    This “debate” should be dull… dull… dull! Just how many ways are there to say “end wars”? The one major area that Greens and Libertarians agree!

  13. Joe Buchman

    Hey Paulie,

    Looks like IPR is stable again (finally). Got the Nader release posted as its own article.


  14. paulie

    The one major area that Greens and Libertarians agree!

    We mostly agree about social issues and ending corporate-government collusion as well.

  15. Melty

    Rocky Anderson made “climate change” one of his three main talking points, bringing it up again and again, though no questions related to it, calling it the biggest problem we face, or something like that. That made him look kooky, I thought.

  16. Melty

    I agree that Free & Equal should really keep all four in their next debate. It makes far more sense for what they’re claiming they’re trying to do. I won’t be watching their one-on-one debate.

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