Report of the Other Nevada LP Event from Filippo Di Noto

Filippo Di Noto in comments on a prior post:

This is my account of the events.

First of all, to those concerned that LPNevada funds were used to pay for the event. Absolutely no LPNevada funds were used to pay for the luncheon. It was a Free Speech Coalition event promoted by that organization, RSVP required. It was not an LPNevada event, therefore being a member of the LPNevada does not entitle one to attend.

Second, what members of the LPNevada and the Executive Committee do in their own time is their own business. Showing up in front of a non-LPNevada event with 20+ people demanding answers is highly inappropriate, and highlights the difficulties that the Party has faced in trying to get other organizations to work with us.

The events that led to Suncoast Hotel security being called were as follows. Elmer Whittaker was standing in the area between the ballrooms. Shortly thereafter he was joined by Jim Duensing. I noticed them standing there and was concerned but since they weren’t doing anything but standing there, they had every right to be there.

Then Joe Silvestri arrived and Jim Duensing shouted out “Joe Silvestri is gay!” At this time I asked one of the staff to call security because now Mr. Duensing had demonstrated that his intent was to harass attendees of the Free Speech Coalition Luncheon. Shortly after this Mr. Duensing shouted out again “Joe SIlvestri is still gay!”

At this point I saw the crowd of people moving towards the ballroom and recognized many of them as LPNevada members who were not listed to attend the luncheon. I was deeply concerned at this point, as one of the people helping to coordinate the event, and also as a member of the LPNevada. The last thing I wanted to see was LPNevada membership disrupting an event that was completely unrelated, other than the fact that some LPNevada members are also supporters of the Free Speech Coalition. Security finally showed up as the crowd was walking down the hallway to the entrance of the ballroom.

From here on out the events were recorded by multiple video camera phones. I cannot recall the exact details of what I said because I had lights in my eyes and admittedly caught a wave of anxiety. I tried to persuade the crowd to leave, and tried to explain that this was not an LPNevada event. I’m dreading watching the videos as soon as someone posts them, as I’m sure I resemble a deer caught in headlights.

As the crowd began to leave, I heard shouting coming from inside the ballroom “Someone is messing with Joe!” I went inside just in time to see Don Cowles standing over Joe Silvestri who was seated at a table, and Don was giving Joe “the finger”. I approached them and told Don he needed to leave, and after a brief exchange of words he did.

A few moments later I went back into the hallway, had a brief discussion with Avens O’Brien in which I was frustrated because the luncheon was supposed to begin soon and I still had matters to attend to. She left and after that there were no more disruptions, the rest of the guests arrived and the luncheon was a success. The Free Speech Coalition panel seemed happy and didn’t make a big deal out of the disruptions thankfully.

I personally am working with a number of organizations along with some other members of the LPNevada. I realize that because of the controversy surrounding the convention there were many accusations flying around, which in my opinion are irrational. I am willing to take this into consideration, but working with the LPNevada is proving to be a constant uphill battle. The LP’s reputation for radical behavior is a major roadblock in getting other groups to associate with us. My goals for spreading awareness of liberty issues seems to go much more smoothly when the LP is not involved. I hope that this changes in the near future.

58 thoughts on “Report of the Other Nevada LP Event from Filippo Di Noto

  1. Avens O'Brien

    Thank you for your side.

    As I stated, we were simply informed (by whom, I do not know) that members of the current ExComm were in attendance of some sort of meeting in the same place as our now-postponed convention. Obviously the times were different, though the days were the same, and I was interested to tag along with the group in order to see what exactly was going on. If it was not a Libertarian Party of Nevada event nor paid for by the LPNevada, then there is no problem here from me.

    If you say it was not paid for by LPNV funds, I’m perfectly willing to believe you, personally, Fil. Just so you know. However, that information should be publicly available – not because we ask for it, but for another reason:

    As a member of the LPNV, I do find it troubling that I can find no record of meeting minutes (for ANY meeting of the LPNV) on the website or anywhere else. Meeting minutes should contain a Treasurer’s report. A Treasurer’s report lets the leadership and membership of the organization know what the party funds are, where they come from and where they go. It is a way to determine positive fundraising activities, potential party activities and accountability for the funds collected and used.

    When I was a Vice Chair of the LPNH, we had monthly meetings with public attendance and public minutes released. The number of members, the money in possession of the party, and the various reports of collection of dues/funds and use of said dues/funds was publicly available for review.

    Party membership was then able to review their party leadership to determine if they liked the way leadership was handling the aforementioned party resources, and was able to vote, fully-informed, for party leadership, based on that knowledge and other information.

    I do believe this is also a stipulation of the Bylaws of the LPNV (Article 4 Section 3B).

    I am NOT trying to make accusations, but outline an expectation that, per bylaws, there should be an action which would prevent this potential drama.

    If party membership were able to see recorded minutes of the meetings, as they are supposed to, they would be able to see the funds, which they would then know if and when they were used for purposes other than party interests. With full accountability, any claims of abuse of party resources would not hold any water, and transparency would secure the reputation of those involved in the organization.

    As a concerned member of the party, I wish to point that out, to you, to the current Executive Committee and to all members of the party.

    There would be little cause for confusion with transparency. But there is no transparency and thus, much confusion. The responsibility for this lies with the current Executive Committee.

    I hope all of this is resolved soon. For the good of the Party.

  2. Rev fatsax

    Fil, you disgust me….i was next to jim duensing filming…and as far as don…joe whipped out his phone to take a picture of don instead of answering his question of “why are you doing this to the party?”. So dont paint don as some radical, you lying bastard. You lie about brett, you lie about activities 7 of us have on video…you lie about when security was called, you lie about everything, because you are a spokesman for a group of liars. I dont believe you about anything. I want a treasurer report now…i want accountability…this party has been joes playground for too long, and his attempts to “grow the party” only started when he did the convention attendee math and saw he needed to recruit a hell of a lot more people to win…so now hes got some porn people…whooopie, nice addition…can we have the convention, or does he need more time. You seem to work well with every group except the membership of this party…what does that tell you about the satisfaction the members of this party have with its leadership? Jesus, this is like playing cards with my brothers children… If 25 of us show up at an event…did you not once think about introducing us? Kurt is treasurer and a pac man…he has money of mine that should have gone to national. I am accusing him of stealing if you dont shoe me a report of where our money and his pac money isnt seperate, final warning. Theives and liars…the lp has issues alright…and it isnt radicals, it is convicts.

  3. David Colborne

    Silly thought – there was plenty of room and some of us had cash on hand. Why didn’t you invite us in? It would have been a fantastic opportunity to turn lemons into lemonade, especially given the amount of time you had to plan the FSC event. Believe me, I can definitely understand the challenges inherent in putting together a successful event with less than a week’s notice.

    Alas, that’s not what happened, which frankly shouldn’t have been a huge surprise to anyone. Instead, our putative “leadership” decided to hand our convention venue to the FSC, failed to notify anyone, did everything possible to ensure the LPNV membership was in the dark regarding the status of our venue, then waited for people to draw their own conclusions. I can only conclude that our leadership was intentionally attempting to short circuit relations between the FSC and the LPNV by guaranteeing the failure and disruption of the FSC event.

  4. David Colborne

    While I’m here…

    I personally am working with a number of organizations along with some other members of the LPNevada.

    Good! This is true of most of us, as well, especially with the current LPNV leadership’s attitude and refusal to work with its members.

    I realize that because of the controversy surrounding the convention there were many accusations flying around, which in my opinion are irrational.

    As irrational as postponing a convention with five days’s notice due to a single email from National? Or as irrational as handing our convention venue to another organization and refusing to tell any of the members that this transfer took place? Or as irrational as failing to invite the membership to the event hosted by the FSC at the aforementioned venue?

    I am willing to take this into consideration, but working with the LPNevada is proving to be a constant uphill battle.

    Yes, we know the feeling.

    The LP’s reputation for radical behavior is a major roadblock in getting other groups to associate with us.

    The LPNV “leadership”‘s reputation for radical behavior, like refusing to publicly post minutes of its meetings (the minutes section of the web site is blank, even when I’m logged in), refusing to post dates and times of its forthcoming meetings in advance, refusing to communicate with its membership in general, and refusing to conduct bylaws-stipulated Party business in a timely fashion is a major roadblock in getting members to work with each other.

    My goals for spreading awareness of liberty issues seems to go much more smoothly when the LP is not involved.

    That’s because the current “leadership” is short circuiting your goals by guaranteeing that all contact between you and most of the membership is hostile and you’re too dense to see it.

    I hope that this changes in the near future

    It was supposed to change yesterday, but unfortunately someone decided to postpone our convention at the last minute. You wouldn’t happen to know anything about that, now would you, Fil?

  5. Revfatsax

    I never even considered fil was dense…I just assumed he was complicit. It does seem to fit.

  6. LibertarianGirl

    word! and yes Fil you did look like a deer caught in healights , because you were a deer caught in headlights. Man up- you guys are wrong and we aint stopping , your tired? Im not and Ive been fighting joes bullshit for YEARS . Best to get out now before things really get dirty.

  7. From Der Sidelines

    Fil needs to open a laundromat. He excels at spin so much be ought to be dispensing Downey.

    If this so-called “Free Speech Coalition” (which ironically was invitation-only and therefore not really free!) was paying for the room, then show the invitee list AND the receipt.

    Show the video of the FSC meeting, too.

    IOW, if you’re telling the truth, BACK IT UP WITH EVIDENCE. A picture is worth a thousand words, but a video is worth a million pictures.

    Frankly, this reeks of the LPNV XC trying to pull a fast one and shutting out LPNV members from a true convention by telling the members it was canceled when it wasn’t. Picking your voters, so to speak.

    If you can’t get enough votes to your side, then the obvious next step is to reduce the votes of the other side, be it by credentialing or in this case, the false notification. Their problem is, they got caught.

  8. Rod Stern

    Ms. O’Brien and Mr. Colborne explain things very well here. You also have to give them credit for remaining calm and rational in the face of ample provocation. However, Fil DiNoto does get some points for at least making his side of the issue public, unlike the actual members of the state Exec Comm. Looking forward to seeing the video!

  9. Mark Vetanen

    Typically, a Political Party has to report contributions and expenditures in a timely matter to the State. Here is the link that I found that has some reporting: http://www.nvsos.gov/SOSCandidateServices/AnonymousAccess/CEFDSearch/GroupDetails.aspx?o=DXDYyJX4a3VX0dqhD62lfA%253d%253d

    It does appear that nobody has reported anything in 7 years.

    Concerned LPN members should contact the Nevada Secretary of State Elections and ask about the apparent lack of reporting, and if there are any current reports of financial activities of the LPN, to get a copy.

  10. Adrian Wyllie

    Knowing only a few details of this entire debacle, I cannot draw any conclusion as to which faction is right or wrong.

    However, one thing is absolutely clear: This fiasco is an embarrassment to the party, and a setback to the credibility and effectiveness which we’ve all worked so hard to achieve.

    I urge everyone involved to set aside their egos and vendettas, and work together to quickly find a reasonable solution.

  11. Rod Stern

    LG @11 Your answer on the other thread was speculation. Do you know, or do you just think you know why?

  12. David Colborne

    @10: Hate to break it to you, Rod, but my period of calmness is at an end.

    I’m done giving “points” to Fil for parroting the talking points of the so-called “leadership” of the LPNV. I’m done giving “points” to Fil for “participation”. If he wants “points”, he needs to stop enabling the current so-called “leadership” and start working toward building the LPNV into a useful political force.

  13. Rod Stern

    Well, everyone has a breaking point, and I can’t fault you for reaching yours. I’m not in the middle of the struggle there, so I don’t know how long I could remain calm.

  14. Be Rational

    @13 Bad idea. Elect new leadership at the next convention, but don’t narc on your own group.

  15. Rod Stern

    “Knowing only a few details of this entire debacle, I cannot draw any conclusion as to which faction is right or wrong.”

    See the archives of the discussion of the issue here, if you want to know. Speaking of which, it would be good if IPR writers at least linked each of these articles to the previous one, if not to a bunch of articles for further reading on the background.

  16. Rod Stern

    BTW it was also pointed out on FB that the 2014 convention has to be in March by state law, so as to give candidates time to be processed; so how late in the year are they going to push the 2013 convention?

  17. Rod Stern

    I suspect the hotel would tell you that is between them and their client, but you could try.

  18. LibertarianGirl

    LPN DIDNT PAY FOR THE ROOM. Here we go again , according to FEC reports LPN gave $500 to Liberty and Prosperity , LPN”s Treasurer Kurt Brackob’s Pac ,,for “convention deposit”. Liberty and Prosperity paid that $500 to the Suncoast for our Conv. space and then used the room for a private event with the Free Speech Coalition, where we were barred from entering or even speaking. Oh , s when they say, its not an LPN event, technically they are being honest.but any idiot can see just how fucking hinkey the LPN excom are yet again.

  19. Rod Stern

    If that is who ended up paying for the room, and if they didn’t end up getting the money from FSC (or whoever) and refunding LPN, I would consider that LPN paying for the room, but I’m still wondering whether that is actually what happened.

  20. Filippo Di Noto

    Had I known this would be titled ” the other Nevada LP event” I wouldn’t have posted.

  21. Rod Stern

    What would you call it? If it was just an FSC event no one would post it on IPR, it merited coverage here because it was in the space and time of the cancelled convention and due to the confrontation between the two groups.

  22. Steve M

    That link is not an FEC report. It does not reference an FEC report. The PDF it points to is not an FEC report nor does it reference an FEC report. It does not reference the Liberty and Prosperity Now PAC. None of the comments in that thread reference the PAC.

    None of the comments reference any donation made by the LPN.

    Please, if you have a link to an FEC report that shows the $500 donation from the LPN to the “Liberty and Prosperity Now” PAC… provide the link.

  23. Adam

    Fil, you truly are the liar that so many have accused you of being. First of all, we weren’t there with the sole purpose of “crashing” your little get together. We were there to get the truth regarding the convention cancellation. We know for a fact that you and your little team of sell-outs did not have the required amount of votes needed to retain your seats, so you acted like spoiled children and cancelled the event to keep your sense of control in intact.

    The only thing that we were guilty of at that event was getting to the bottom of the lies the current board has instilled in order to keep this movement from growing. If you’re going defend such acts, I’m afraid you’re unwilling to see the true purpose of this movement.

  24. Daddyfatsax

    Steve…cute…but I was showing you evidence of trolling…nice deflection. I don’t have a treasurer report from LP Nevada for years…nor minutes from them…so if you want proof of THAT…visit LPNEVADA.ORG and search for it…you won’t find it because meetings around a kitchen table in Joe’s house are very informal.

  25. Rod Stern

    Why would anyone want to keep an FSC event secret, by invitation only? Is there any explanation that makes the exec comm look like they are making sense on that one? I have not thought of one (other than malicious).

  26. Steve M

    Daddyfatsax…. You have no proof that the LNV made a donation to any PAC. Spreading rumors and claiming them to be facts is dishonest. If they were fact you would be able to show the proof.

  27. Daddyfatsax

    @38
    Yup. But silvestri flaunts that action, thinking he is standing up to National by canceling/indefinately detaining…I mean postponing the convention. They are in violation of at least 5 bylaws…all duly noted. The next couple days are gonna be FUN.

  28. Steve M

    @41 sure did a big old someone spreading unsubstantiated rumors.

    Now I am going back to the supposed original source of the rumor for confirmation….

  29. Steve M

    For the record…. here is the email i sent to Tim Hagan

    Tim,

    A rumor that the Libertarian Party of Nevada made a donation to the
    “liberty and Prosperity Now” PAC has been attributed to you.

    “Debra Dedmon: no and I havent seen it myself, but none other than Tim
    Hagan told me about it so Im certain of its accuacy”

    Debra is claiming on facebook in the
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/lpnevada/

    “alls I know is the conv. fee , when it was still supposed to be a conv.
    was paid for by Liberty and Prosperity , the pedo-treasurers pac . $500
    to be exact. To my knowledge LPN has not been reimbursed. This would be
    the 1st time LPN has not wrote a damn check directly to the venue to
    hostour convention. It begs a question and that qestion is …DID LPN
    ALWAYS HAVE CANCELLATION AS A CONTINGENCY PLAN WHEN THEY REALIZED THEY
    WERE GOING TO LOSE?”

    and some one calling themselves LibertarianGirl on
    IndependentPoliticalReport.com

    https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2013/04/report-of-the-other-nevada-lp-event-from-filippo-di-noto

    states “LPN DIDNT PAY FOR THE ROOM. Here we go again , according to FEC
    reports LPN gave $500 to Liberty and Prosperity , LPN?s Treasurer Kurt
    Brackob?s Pac ,,for ?convention deposit?. Liberty and Prosperity paid
    that $500 to the Suncoast for our Conv. space and then used the room for
    a private event with the Free Speech Coalition, where we were barred
    from entering or even speaking. Oh , s when they say, its not an LPN
    event, technically they are being honest.but any idiot can see just how
    fucking hinkey the LPN excom are yet again.”

    Can you please set the record straight. Did the LPN provide funds to the
    Liberty and Prosperity Now PAC to pay for the LPN convention room? Is (ed fixed a typo)
    there an FEC report or a Nevada SOS report which documents this?

    Thanks,

    (ed redacted my name)

  30. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    Filippo @ 25: I posted this as an article in the interest of fairness. Since I had sent you a message asking you to comment, I thought that you knew we’d be posting. Don’t you think it’s important that we hear from both sides? I appreciate hearing the story from your point of view.

    As always, Joe Silvestri is welcome to come here and talk to us. Please let him know that. I emailed him previously, but never heard back from him.

  31. Rod Stern

    And on facebook:

    Beth Duensing 7:27pm Apr 28
    Deb, all of the LPN FEC reports are viewable here: http://www.fec.gov/fecviewer/CandidateCommitteeDetail.do#3

    To see the $500 to the Pac click on the pdf for the April report it’s on page 9. Then watch the next month to see if/when it is returned.

    On page 7 there is a $300 payment to the LNC sent March 11th. The purpose is not clearly marked, but maybe it is to cover 12 memberships.

  32. Rod Stern

    Beth Duensing 7:29pm Apr 28
    NOTE – that link above takes you to the two year summary page – click on the filings tab and you will then be able to view pdf copies of every filing.

  33. Thane Eichenauer

    @37
    “Why would anyone want to keep an FSC event secret, by invitation only?”

    1. To preclude attendance of people the FSC doesn’t want to attend.

    This may not be a good reason in your eyes or my eyes but if the hotel and the hotel client doesn’t want some people to attend then they have paid for that right.

    I don’t have any comment on the source of that payment for that room but the reason most private rooms have a door is to allow the person who has paid for that room to exclude any person they don’t care to invite within. Privacy and right to property may not get mentioned a lot relative to free speech but that doesn’t mean those rights should be ignored or disparaged out of hand.

  34. Rev fatsax

    Thane, most didnt go in, respecting the “right” to use our money to pay for the deposit without inviting us…however, those that went in, have paid more than their dues to this party throughout the years. If more members show up to protest, than were there to support…is that something WE should be sorry for?

  35. Rod Stern

    “1. To preclude attendance of people the FSC doesn’t want to attend.”

    That side steps my question. Why would the FSC want to have a secret event that they don’t advertise and try to keep people away from?

    FSC exists to publicize the issue of freedom of speech for the adult entertainment industry. They want attention for their cause. It makes no sense that they would want to keep people out, especially people who agree with them and might even have given them money.

    It makes much more logical sense to infer that it was the Silvestri faction of LPNV that wanted to keep people away, not FSC. And while I can think of reasons why they would want to do that, none of those reasons make them look good. So my question remains, is there any explanation of why they would want to keep people out that doesn’t make the Silvestri side out to be malicious bad guys?

    I’m open to the possibility that such an explanation exists, but I haven’t thought of one. Hence my questions.

    The rest of your reply is tangential to my question. Of course they have the right to not invite people to their events, provided of course they were not attempting to have a convention after falsely announcing they were cancelling it, and it appears they were not – although I don’t blame the other side for suspecting that may have been what was happening when they heard the meeting was taking place.

    But having a right and being right are two different things. And it’s the latter that my question is in regards to, not the former.

  36. Alan Pyeatt

    Wait, I thought Joe Silvestri and Jim Duensing were in opposite camps. If so, then why would Duensing want Silvestri to have the support of gay Libertarians?

  37. LibertarianGirl

    I remember officer reports due 24 hrs before any meeting at the latest as well as an agenda always published and even the opportunity for non excom members to add agenda items.

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