I can’t remember Baldwin ever saying anything racist. I doubt he would be a good match for the A”F”P.
Jill Pyeatt
November 30, 2013
Agreed, Langa. I’m also not going to pretend that demographic groups don’t earn some of the sterotypes people talk about. I did feel that Bruce Kent’s comment came out of the blue, though, and was used to say that Baldwin really did judge people by the color of their skin, when we really have no evidence that he does. At least, I haven’t, and apparently Cody Quirk hasn’t.
langa
November 30, 2013
Jill, I agree that those on the right are too quick to play the “political correctness” card. Meanwhile, those on the left are too quick to play the “bigotry” card (such as claiming that any criticism of Obama’s policies is motivated by racism).
In reality, there is a middle ground between political correctness and bigotry, but most people on both sides are afraid to admit that, since doing so would make it more difficult to demonize their opponents.
Jill Pyeatt
November 30, 2013
Bruce Kent says: ” I’ve never seen Chuck Baldwin be a servant to political correctness.”
What an idiotic statement. Whenever the right wing can’t argue a point on a moral basis, they call it “political correctness.”.
Being an open and genuine human being has nothing to do with political correctness. It has to do with the soul and core values of an individual.
Being a bigot also has nothing to do with political correctness. It has to do with a sorry soul and distressed core values.
Bruce Kent
November 29, 2013
I’ve never seen Chuck Baldwin be a servant to political correctness.
Cody Quirk
November 29, 2013
But Baldwin doesn’t cater to such racial BS; he is a genuine Christian and doesn’t believe in judging others by skin color.
Bruce Kent
November 29, 2013
Well if Chuck Baldwin left the Constitution Party maybe he could be persuaded to join the American Freedom Party and become an American Freedom Party leader in Montana. The American Freedom Party has a strong natural constituency in Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, and parts of Oregon and Washington State. Many people there are ready to hear its message.
langa
November 29, 2013
Unfortunately, the term “fascist’ has lost much of its original meaning. Many people now use it to describe anyone who believes that we have certain rights that cannot be bypassed through the “democratic process”, or some such foolish contrivance.
And the guy in the video is talking about defending individual self-defense rights in the face of a prospective global tyranny that bypasses the US Constitutional division of powers and lawmaking process to take them away.
Fascists, on the other hand, are known for disarming the citizens and having government monopolize the legal ownership of firearms.
Jill Pyeatt
November 29, 2013
I watched the video Deran posted, but I haven’t taken the time to watch the 30 minute video in the original article. I hope I’m representing the organization the way Chuck Baldwin is depicting Oathkeepers.
Jill Pyeatt
November 29, 2013
Deran, Oathkeepers are the good guys. Do you know anything about the organization?
Why do you think this guy represents Oathkeepers? The organization is for military and civil servants, such as policemen, to remember the oath they took to defend against enemies foreign and demestic. They pledge to resist orders which they believe to be illegal. It could mean what the man here is saying, I suppose, but this is an extreme depiction.
I know you and I have different political beliefs. If Kerry via Obama changes laws through to remove arms while bypassing the legislature, would it be okay with you for the police and military to come along and disarm everyone? It wouldn’t be all right with me.
I’ve heard conflicting reports as to whether he has or not, but in either case, anyone who has been a presidential candidate of an alt party is fair game. I don’t think it would be inappropriate to post some Bob Barr articles from time to time, even though he is clearly back in the NSGOP now. Personally I’m less interested in reading or reposting them since he has made that clear, but I won’t be too upset if one of our other writers does that. We cover Ron Paul from time to time, although the rule is not to flood the site with Ron Paul articles, and so on.
Cody Quirk
November 27, 2013
Wouldn’t really consider Chuck Baldwin to be a CP’er since he left the party some time ago.
I can’t remember Baldwin ever saying anything racist. I doubt he would be a good match for the A”F”P.
Agreed, Langa. I’m also not going to pretend that demographic groups don’t earn some of the sterotypes people talk about. I did feel that Bruce Kent’s comment came out of the blue, though, and was used to say that Baldwin really did judge people by the color of their skin, when we really have no evidence that he does. At least, I haven’t, and apparently Cody Quirk hasn’t.
Jill, I agree that those on the right are too quick to play the “political correctness” card. Meanwhile, those on the left are too quick to play the “bigotry” card (such as claiming that any criticism of Obama’s policies is motivated by racism).
In reality, there is a middle ground between political correctness and bigotry, but most people on both sides are afraid to admit that, since doing so would make it more difficult to demonize their opponents.
Bruce Kent says: ” I’ve never seen Chuck Baldwin be a servant to political correctness.”
What an idiotic statement. Whenever the right wing can’t argue a point on a moral basis, they call it “political correctness.”.
Being an open and genuine human being has nothing to do with political correctness. It has to do with the soul and core values of an individual.
Being a bigot also has nothing to do with political correctness. It has to do with a sorry soul and distressed core values.
I’ve never seen Chuck Baldwin be a servant to political correctness.
But Baldwin doesn’t cater to such racial BS; he is a genuine Christian and doesn’t believe in judging others by skin color.
Well if Chuck Baldwin left the Constitution Party maybe he could be persuaded to join the American Freedom Party and become an American Freedom Party leader in Montana. The American Freedom Party has a strong natural constituency in Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, and parts of Oregon and Washington State. Many people there are ready to hear its message.
Unfortunately, the term “fascist’ has lost much of its original meaning. Many people now use it to describe anyone who believes that we have certain rights that cannot be bypassed through the “democratic process”, or some such foolish contrivance.
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_Keepers
What’s fascist about that?
And the guy in the video is talking about defending individual self-defense rights in the face of a prospective global tyranny that bypasses the US Constitutional division of powers and lawmaking process to take them away.
Fascists, on the other hand, are known for disarming the citizens and having government monopolize the legal ownership of firearms.
I watched the video Deran posted, but I haven’t taken the time to watch the 30 minute video in the original article. I hope I’m representing the organization the way Chuck Baldwin is depicting Oathkeepers.
Deran, Oathkeepers are the good guys. Do you know anything about the organization?
Why do you think this guy represents Oathkeepers? The organization is for military and civil servants, such as policemen, to remember the oath they took to defend against enemies foreign and demestic. They pledge to resist orders which they believe to be illegal. It could mean what the man here is saying, I suppose, but this is an extreme depiction.
I know you and I have different political beliefs. If Kerry via Obama changes laws through to remove arms while bypassing the legislature, would it be okay with you for the police and military to come along and disarm everyone? It wouldn’t be all right with me.
We get all the fascists and crypto-fascists gathering and conspiring in the Pacific Northwest. “Oath Keepers”. Jaysus. Brown shirt much?
Next thing you know this wanna be il duce will be moving here.
http://youtu.be/_QQW0RswpQ4
I’ve heard conflicting reports as to whether he has or not, but in either case, anyone who has been a presidential candidate of an alt party is fair game. I don’t think it would be inappropriate to post some Bob Barr articles from time to time, even though he is clearly back in the NSGOP now. Personally I’m less interested in reading or reposting them since he has made that clear, but I won’t be too upset if one of our other writers does that. We cover Ron Paul from time to time, although the rule is not to flood the site with Ron Paul articles, and so on.
Wouldn’t really consider Chuck Baldwin to be a CP’er since he left the party some time ago.