From former Presidential candidate Will Christensen at the IAP website:
Our November, post-election, Prayer Request must start with gratitude. Gratitude towards God for the changes in Congress and in the states, which have been wrought by this election, and gratitude to so many of you who have made specific prayer for our nation a part of your daily devotional. We express gratitude to God and to each of you for your consistency.
The Founders of our nation believed that our freedom was a result of many acts of Divine Intervention. We also believe that we will retain and restore our freedom only by additional acts of God, coupled with tireless activity on our part and tireless prayers to Deity by our people.
During this dangerous “Lame Duck” period, which begins when Congress reconvenes on November 12th, we request specific prayers on several issues which may arise. We remind you that many dangerous laws have been passed close to the Christmas recess, including the Federal Reserve Act.
We request your prayers for the Following:
1. Pray that the “Lame Duck” Session of Congress will have a positive outcome for liberty. Pray specifically that no amnesty bills, Attorney General Appointments, UN treaties, Trade Promotion Authority, or bills disarming Americans will be passed.
2. Commit to communicate with our elected legislators tirelessly, and pray that the American people will do the same. Federal Communication State Communication
3. Pray that legislation may be developed locally and in the state legislatures that will insure honest elections.
4. Pray that the new legislators who were just elected will be able to resist the conditioning of their party leaders and the Insiders during their new member orientation and during the legislative session.
Our prayers are powerful and will, with God’s blessing on our effort, restore our Republic as envisioned by our Founding Fathers. If we, as a people, do not live God’s Law we will live under tyranny. If we do not choose to live by the Ten Commandments and the Golden Rule, then we will be led into a socialist bondage. A bondage which will require much blood to be shed to return us to freedom. Remember God’s promise:
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
May our land be healed and our people cleansed, and may God Bless America,
Prayer Committee
Independent American Party, usiap.org
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Excellent, that’s a good first step.
I do support legitimate amnesty, mercy and compassion.
I’m sure the Biblical thing would have been for Egypt to send illegal immigrant baby Jesus back to Palestine and King Herod. Or at least it would according to some people who claim to be followers of Jesus today, using their logic about immigration.
JR Myers said: “Yes, we must humble ourselves and return to God. America is under judgement for our transgressions against the divine order. We have relied upon our own wisdom and kicked God out of our lives. We are now reaping what we have sown.”
Mr. Myers, since you’ve chosen to bring God and judgement into this conversation, can you cite where in the Bible that we are supposed to send people back to their countries? Many of the right would also send away the children if immigrants, who were born here, attended our schools, and so on. Would a loving Jesus have done that?
While you’re at it, how about some cites for the Constitution, and why you think our forefathers intended for immigrants to be sent home?
Exactly. The USA is not the fictional libertarian zone, and it’s absurd to believe the USA regime would exclude all non-libertarians and only non-libertarians if it were to start selecting who immigrates on the basis of ideology, which is not the basis it selects people on in reality. And if it did, it would probably ban libertarians from immigrating here. But that “here” is a problem in itself, since the USA regime has no legitimate property right in the whole area within the borders it claims (and if it did all its other transgressions against liberty and property could be justified on that basis) it has no right to keep people from entering on the basis of ideology or any other basis; only legitimate property owners would have that right and only on their own personal property.
Obviously, some immigrants are pro-liberty and some are not, and obviously, some native born citizens are and some are not as well. The ideology of immigrants is a red herring in this regard.
The bottom line is that unless you are talking about a purely voluntary compact where 100% of those involved have freely agreed to begin with, no entity consisting of more than one property owner has any right to keep people out. A gated community or an apartment building with a key or buzzer to enter the lobby can be OK, although personally I don’t like that, because everyone agrees to that before they move in and because you don’t have to uproot your whole existence to move to a building or neighborhood that doesn’t have those policies the way you would if it required you to move thousands of miles away to a place which has a different culture and in most cases a different language. A country is nothing like that, it’s not an all voluntary agreement at that point. The “social contract” is a myth, it does not exist.
From a rights based viewpoint, the US government has no right to keep people out on any basis (other than military invasion) so what basis it does so on is irrelevant. People moving somewhere to seek better employment and looking for a better life for their kids is not a military invasion, all specious arguments aside.
Rights aside:
It is also false to believe that we would have more libertarians if immigration was more heavily controlled in the past. For instance, many prominent libertarians have been Jewish immigrants from Europe, or descendants of such that came in mostly in the late 19th century or later. The anti-immigration nativists of that time would have kept Ayn Rand, the Friedmans, Rothbard, and many others from ever being in the US, and many of them would have died (or never been born because their parents and grandparents died) in the holocaust or the gulags. There have of course also been many libertarians who are Italian-American or from other immigrant groups that anti-immigrationists tried to keep out as well.
If past anti-immigrationists had had their way more than they did, we might have more freedom in the US today on issues on which libertarians tend to agree with conservatives, but less freedom on issues where libertarians tend to agree with liberals. Given that today’s immigrants are generally more likely to vote for Democrats than Republicans, the same would probably be true in the future.
But again, even if the political views most commonly held among immigrant groups were completely anti-liberty that does not somehow magically transform the USA regime into an all-voluntary entity that has the legitimate right to tell property owners and employers who they may or may not rent to, invite as guests, hire, bring over to live with them, etc.
Do it on your own time and your own dime, and keep government and its guns out of it, and I have no problem with you doing your religious thing. Once you bring the extortion-based monopoly into it, that is a big problem for me and many others, as well as posing a theological problem for any sane religion to be intertwined with any such entity.
Andy, I don’t give two shits what they believe, they have the right to immigrate here. Loving freedom, Rothbard, and the founding fathers should NOT be a condition of citizenship. You desire the subjugation of free thought, so you may be free. That’s circular logic.
Freedom means people have the right to hate freedom & wish to see its end. It’s a battle we face, but it’s far preferable to “you don’t love liberty so you can’t live here!” That makes us far worse than them. It makes us hypocrites.
Yes, we must humble ourselves and return to God. America is under judgement for our transgressions against the divine order. We have relied upon our own wisdom and kicked God out of our lives. We are now reaping what we have sown.
Here are a few real life examples of the political view of immigrants who I have encountered over the years (note that there were immigrants who had become American citizens and registered to vote):
The black African immigrant in Maryland who refused to sign my Libertarian Party ballot access petition because he thought that they government should outlaw gay marriage, and that the government should round up all of the gays and lock them in prison camps.
The Russian immigrant in Washington who refused to sign my petition to shut down the state liquor stores and to allow regular stores to sell liquor. He thought that communism was wonderful and that the USA should become a communist country.
The Hispanic immigrant in Nebraska who said that she did not agree with anything on the World’s Smallest Political Quiz I handed her (which means that she scored bottom of the diamond Authoritarian), and who then refused to sign my Libertarian party ballot access petition.
The black African immigrant in California who shouted, “Gray Davis is your leader! You should show him respect!” after I asked him to sign my petition to Recall Governor Grey Davis from office. He then tried to get the police to come and arrest me for simply asking people to sign a petition (fortunately, the police never showed up).
The Hispanic immigrant in California who refused to sign my anti-Affirmative Action petition and who said, “I don’t want white people to get jobs. I want the jobs for my people.”
The Armenian immigrants I ran into in Glendale, CA who refused to sign my anti-rent control petition, and who also expressed support for gun control.
Do you believe that these people came to America “looking for freedom”? Maybe they were “looking for freedom” so they could destroy it, but that’s about it. Are you happy that these people are registered voters?
I could go on with more examples.
This article shows a REALITY check that counters the LIE the all immigrants come here “seeking freedom”.
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2012/07/forget_immigration_its_big_government_hispanic_voters_want.html
“If we are to believe the polls, Hispanic voters love big government. Just adore it. They want more of it. Lots more. And they will vote to make that happen.
Pundits are currently tying themselves into knots trying to figure out how the presidential candidates’ positions on immigration will impact their popularity with Hispanic voters.
The answer? Who cares? What drives Hispanic voters is simple, and it was captured with shocking clarity by a Pew Hispanic Center poll in April.
A mind-blowing 75 percent of Hispanics tell Pew they want bigger government with more services. Contrast that with just 41 percent of the American public that says it wants bigger government with more services. (Some 45 percent of the general American population wants smaller government with fewer services. For Hispanics, it’s 19 percent.)
This Hispanic love affair with big government isn’t a short-term result of the Great Recession. It isn’t a temporary product of the first-generation poverty; immigrants, legal or otherwise, have always struggled through in America. This affection for big government is uniquely cultural for Hispanics, and so strongly embedded that it apparently persists for generations.
Some 81 percent of first-generation Hispanic immigrants tell Pew pollsters they prefer big government. In the second generation, it’s 72 percent. By the third generation, the number is just shy of 60 percent. Contrast that, again, with the mere 41 percent of the general American population that feels the same.
Part of this probably comes from the fact that most Hispanic immigrants, legal and illegal, come from countries with deeply socialist and often quasi-dictatorial governments. This is what they are used to, except that here, the government benefits are much more generous, providing a standard of living that far exceeds that of their countries of origin in most cases.”
Jill Pyeatt said: “They want Liberty, I guess, for the select few who were born here, but not for the millions of people who have come here looking for liberty for themselves and their families.”
What percentage of immigrants to this country are anarcho-capitalists or small government constitutionalists?
Going by everything I’ve read, and going by my own personal experience in talking politics with literally thousands of immigrants, I’d say that very few of them fall into the category of anarcho-capitalist or small government constitutionalist.
I would concur that the very small percentage of immigrants who are anarcho-capitalists and small government constitutionalists are looking for freedom, but of course I don’t think they will find as much of it as they are looking for in the present day USA, but given that most immigrants to America today have a political ideology that is closer to Karl Marx than it is to Murray Rothbard or the Founding Fathers (who singed the Declaration of Independence and Constitution), the line that most immigrants come to America looking for freedom is nothing more than complete bullshit.
You’ll be more likely to see immigrants flooding into line at a welfare office than you will to see immigrants standing in line at a gun show.
Again, there are pro-freedom immigrants out there, and I think that’s great and I welcome them here, but they are NOT the majority.
I really don’t get why so many libertarians have this na?ve view that just because a person crosses a border that they are some how libertarian (as in that they are “seeking freedom”), or that it is even desirable to have non-libertarians crossing borders, because it is NOT desirable at all.
A REAL libertarian immigration policy would be like what I outlined in my Libertarian Zone concept ( https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2014/07/andy-jacobs-the-libertarian-zone/ ).
Amnesty would be a good start but we need to get rid of immigration quotas completely.
They want Liberty, I guess, for the select few who were born here, but not for the millions of people who have come here looking for liberty for themselves and their families.
No, I won’t pray for that, and I’ll continue to pray for Liberty for EVERYONE on this globe.