Libertarian Party Presidential Candidate Darryl W. Perry Selects Muslim Running Mate

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Libertarian Presidential candidate Darryl W. Perry selects Muslim running mate

KEENE, NH, April 6, 2016 – The Libertarian Party, which made history in 1972 when Tonie Nathan became the first woman to receive an Electoral College vote, is notorious for breaking barriers on race, gender and sexual orientation decades before their mainstream counterparts do. In another groundbreaking move for the Libertarian Party, and American politics in general, Libertarian Presidential candidate Darryl W. Perry announced Wednesday that his running mate will be the first Muslim Vice Presidential candidate in American history.Perry’s running mate is a Muslim academic and thought leader, dedicated family man, and entrepreneur, and has gained name recognition with the Liberty Movement for his work as the National Director of Muslims for Liberty (M4L) – an organization that works to advance the cause of liberty from a principled and Islamic perspective.

The Darryl W. Perry 2016 campaign welcomes Vice Presidential candidate Will Coley to the campaign.

During his tenure, Coley has amassed a considerable following by preaching a message that simultaneously discourages violence while encouraging open-mindedness towards Muslims.

The announcement of Coley’s selection comes in the midst of the Perry Campaign steadily gaining momentum in the weeks leading up to the Libertarian Party’s National Convention slated for the weekend of May 27-30th in Orlando, Florida. Perry, a long-time Libertarian activist and media personality on Free Talk Live, chose Coley as his running mate because “he has intimate knowledge and insight both of the religion, and the cultures of the countries [the US military] has been actively bombing or occupying.”

Over the next six weeks, Perry will be attending a series of Libertarian Party State Conventions to network with fellow libertarians and discuss his platform. A complete listing of events is available on the Campaign’s website at DarrylWPerry.com.

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To schedule an interview with Darryl, please send an email to Darryl@DarrylWPerry.comor call 202 709 4377
To schedule an interview with Will, please send an email to Will@muslims4liberty.org or call 865 336 0523

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The vice-presidential candidate will be selected by delegates to the Libertarian Party’s convention in Orlando, Florida on Memorial Day weekend.

96 thoughts on “Libertarian Party Presidential Candidate Darryl W. Perry Selects Muslim Running Mate

  1. robert capozzi

    Hmm, I thought the LP selected their veep separately. Has that changed?

    Also, I would not think a NAPster candidate would pick a running mate based on his or her religion. It would instead be the veep’s commitment to non-aggression.

  2. NewFederalist

    “Well, well, well…isn’t this an interesting development?” – Jill Pyeatt

    Yup. Not sure how just yet but… yup.

  3. Jim F

    Really? Darryl? You should know better. Read the damn bylaws! Find the GJ ’12 press release and copy/paste that you are ENDORSING Colley as the LP VP candidate. (Which actually could lead to it happening even if GJ wins the nomination again).

  4. George Phillies

    The delegates choose, exactly as at a D or R convention. I am old enough to remember a contested nomination. The Presidential candidate gets to speak on the candidates and to urge them to make a choice. The delegates almost saved Bob Barr from Wayne Root. Johnson asked for Gray and got him. It’s an appropriate wording for a press release.

  5. George Phillies

    There is a certain contrast that removes some of the stain on our party’s name from ‘ban the burkha’.

  6. Jim F

    George you are correct in what happens technically, but lets be realistic. in ’12 GJ endorsed Gray what 2 months before the convention, maybe less, but that’s the wording he used. And it didn’t get the knee jerk reaction. Too many people already think Anarchists aren’t serious, we need to be very careful how we choose words. I consider Perry a friend, and may be one of his largest donors this cycle, but I wish he would have chose his words more wisely. Granted if Carling’s bylaws proposal passes on the floor such a press release would be appropriate in ’20.

  7. Jim F

    >Also, I would not think a NAPster candidate would pick a running mate based on his or her religion. It
    >would instead be the veep’s commitment to non-aggression.

    Of course that’s a necessity. I hope you will familiarize yourself with Colely’s life work. Google Muslim Aggorist.

  8. Thomas L. Knapp

    My preference has been, and continues to be, for candidates who don’t pull this “running mate” bullshit.

    But in this cycle the candidates who haven’t done so are candidates I don’t support for other reasons that are more important, and the “running mates” of the candidates I could support don’t strike me as half bad.

    I guess since I’ve already endorsed Darryl I’ll stick with him in spite of this. But I’m starting to see NOTA out of the corner of my eye again.

  9. Brian Holtz

    It took Johnson only a day to admit his mistake on burqa banning. Similarly, Perry should quickly clarify that he understands that 1) the delegates choose his V.P., and 2) identity politics are to be denounced, not imitated.

    The Libertarian Party should be above identity politics. Religions and ethnicities don’t have rights, and individuals don’t get different rights from their religion or ethnicity.

  10. Thomas L. Knapp

    Brian,

    Glad to see you back at IPR. Sorry to see that you’ve apparently developed some kind of really bad drug habit that makes you see things that aren’t there (like Perry claiming that religions or ethnicities have rights).

    “It took Johnson only a day to admit his mistake on burqa banning.”

    Well, sort of. He kinda sorta admitted error on one tiny sliver of his Muslim-bashing (he kept on playing the “ooga booga — hide under your bed, it’s sharia law!” card for some time after that and may not have stopped even yet). And he pretended that his statement on burqa banning had been a single off-the-cuff answer to an unforeseen question from a single reporter for a single publication when in fact he had offered that identical statement to no fewer than three separate reporters in three separate interviews for three separate publications.

  11. Brian Holtz

    I didn’t say that Perry claimed religions or ethnicities have rights. I was just exhibiting what an LP POTUS candidate should say about the cesspool of identity politics — as opposed to wading into it.

    When I mentioned this press release to my 15-year-old daughter, she instantly pointed out a less-dumb play: Perry’s announcement should have been all about Coley’s libertarian credentials, and let Coley’s religion be noted approvingly by third-party observers.

  12. Jim F

    Brian, I agree with you. I think it should be clear that Will Coley is a fantastic libertarian activist committed to nothing less than a libertarian society, and he happens to be a Muslim who knows in his heart that his fellow believers will be best cared for by working voluntarily with all and not seeking special favors from anyone.

  13. Andy

    I agree with Brian here. This is clearly identity politics, which I do not care for either. This is the same type of crap that was used to push Obama (vote for Obama because he is “black”), and to push Hillary Clinton (vote for Hillary because she is a woman).

    I am more interested in where a candidate stands on issues, what kind of activism they have done, what are political strategare do they plan to implement, what is their character (like do they keep their word), and other issues of substance.

    Saying, “Vote for me because I am _________________ (fill in blank with black or female or Jewish or Irish or Italian or Hispanic or Muslim or whatever).” strikes me as pandering and as being a cheap publicity stunt that lacks any real substance. I would never vote for a candidate based on their professed religion, or their sex, or their sexual orientation, or their ethnicity, or for any other superficial reason.

    I looked this guy up and he appears to be a white guy from Tennessee who converted to being a Muslim. Why anyone would join any religion is beyond me, but to each their own. He appears to be a good, well meaning fellow, so I am not trying to put the guy down. I’m just not a fan of identity politics.

  14. Thomas L. Knapp

    “Saying, ‘Vote for me because I am _________________ (fill in blank with black or female or Jewish or Irish or Italian or Hispanic or Muslim or whatever).’ strikes me as pandering and as being a cheap publicity stunt that lacks any real substance”

    It probably strikes most people that way.

    But of course Perry’s press release says nothing whatsoever even distantly resembling that.

  15. Andy

    Why mention his religion at all? I don’t give a shit about a candidate’s religion (or lack thlaeof).

  16. Thomas Knapp

    “Why mention his religion at all? I don’t give a shit about a candidate’s religion (or lack thlaeof).”

    Considering that he’s the head of Muslims4Liberty and that his primary political work is in the Muslim community, not mentioning his religion would be the equivalent of if Robert F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King had not been shot, and if the former had named the latter as his running mate in 1968, not mentioning his race or civil rights work, but only that he had been a Democratic committeman for X precinct in Y town.

    Or, to put it a different way, it would be fucking stupid.

  17. Bondurant

    I read the release as a blatant “fuck you” to Johnson’s GOP Lite fearmongering.

  18. Andy

    Yes, mentioning it in regard to the candidate’s activism is fine, but the press release waves around the candidate’s religion first, before even mentioning the guy’s name.

    This gives it the look of publicity stunt.

  19. robert capozzi

    As I’d not heard of Will Coley previously, and not that it matters, but as a point of information: the name “Will Coley” does not associate to me as a Muslim name. And I’d think that’d be the case for most. It doesn’t sound like someone who has lineage from N. Africa or the Middle East or S. Asia, or even Indonesia.

    It truly doesn’t matter, but is Coley a convert to Islam? Or perhaps was the name Anglophied? Something else?

    Ancestry.com says: Coley Name Meaning English (West Midlands): nickname for a swarthy person, from Old English colig ‘dark’, ‘black’ (a derivative of col ‘(char)coal’).English: possibly a habitational name from Coaley in Gloucestershire, named in Old English as ‘woodland clearing (leah) with a hut or shelter (cofa)’.Probably an Americanized form of Swiss German Kohli or Kohler.

    Perry/Coley has an ethno-vibe roughly equivalent to Johnson/Gray.

  20. Andy

    I still consider Darryl Perry to be the most libertarian candidate in the race, and i would still vote for him if his name appears on the November election ballot.

    Whether I will vote for him at the convention or not I do not know. I am torn between NOTA, casting a write in vote, or voting for Perry. If I had to vote for somebody, out of the current field of candidates, Darryl Perry is still the one for whom I would cast a vote for the nomination (as in i have bigger problems with the other candidates currently in the race for the nomination).

  21. Andy

    Robert Capozzi, like I said above in the thread, I looked him up and he appears to be a white guy from Tennessee who converted to Islam.

  22. George Dance

    Carpozzi “Also, I would not think a NAPster candidate would pick a running mate based on his or her religion. It would instead be the veep’s commitment to non-aggression.” That’s a false dichotomy; there’s no reason to think that, because Will Coley is Muslim, that he’s uncommitted to aggression.

    Holtz: “When I mentioned this press release to my 15-year-old daughter, she instantly pointed out a less-dumb play: Perry’s announcement should have been all about Coley’s libertarian credentials,

    Your daughter may not understand that a press release is meant to get press. The question of whether a Muslim can be President (or even a resident, for that matter) has already come up in the course of the election. It looks to me as if playing into that narrative would be more likely to get press attention than one with the theme, “libertarian picks libertarian for running mate”. (yawn)

    “– and let Coley’s religion be noted approvingly by third-party observers.”

    First, for the above reason, I think it unlikely that any mainstream press would dig into Coley’s background. Second, if someone did, then the obvious first question would be “Why did Perry try to hide it?” To give a standard libertarian answer — “We don’t think a person’s religion is that important” — sounds either disingenuous (if it’s not important, why hide it?) or like a total unawareness that, in this campaign, the question has been made important.

  23. robert capozzi

    GD, yes, getting attention is the goal of a release.

    Pandering and grandstanding, however, takes attention getting to over-the-top levels.

    My sense is this move might well backfire internally in the LP/LM to the extent anyone even notices this “news” beyond IPR and other narrowcast channels. I notice that the Knappster himself, a Perry supporter, has stated here: “But I’m starting to see NOTA out of the corner of my eye again.”

    Ls of all stripes generally bristle at anything in the identity politics neighborhood, which I’d say this move is. OTOH, my guess is that Perry is probably a longshot anyway, so I can understand the desperation behind this transparent ploy. He’s probably the “purest” choice, but even the heavily deontologically inclined L community recognize that a candidate is more than a Max Headroom recitation box.

  24. George Dance

    sorry, my last comment should have read …”incommitted to non-aggression”

    Andy: “This gives it the look of publicity stunt.” It does look like an attempt to get publicity, yes. That is what press releases are supposed to be.

  25. Thomas L. Knapp

    RC,

    It’s not any “identity politics” angle that I had a problem with. It’s the whole idea of LP presidential candidates coming in to the convention with “running mates.”

    I consider it a feature, not a bug, that the LP actually nominates its presidential and vice-presidential candidates separately, rather than merely formally doing so as the major parties do, where the presidential nominee announces a “running mate” and the convention just ratifies the pick.

    Or at least we did it our way from at least as far back as 1996, when I joined the LP, until 2012, when Johnson ran as a ticket “with” Gray. And my understanding is that it’s always been like that and that in one or two cases the presidential nominee did not get the VP candidate he endorsed.

    In 2008, the LP would have been in much better position both to reap good publicity and to maintain more internal unity if it had nominated Steve Kubby instead of Bob Barr’s choice, Wayne Allyn Root, for vice president. And we came within, IIRC, 30 votes or so of doing just that.

    Darryl assures me that Coley will be running his own VP campaign, not just being part of a “ticket” run, and that he will support Coley for VP regardless of which presidential candidate the convention picks.

    That could be a good thing. If Johnson somehow manages to stop his precipitous slide into the dustbin of LP history and gets the nomination again (I hear he has another anti-libertarian bombshell coming in the second half of the Fox debate, and I’m thinking he’s fatally wounded himself already), having a Muslim running mate might act as a sort of sock in his mouth to keep him from continuing to say the dumb stuff he’s been saying.

  26. Marc Allan Feldman

    I think it would have been better if Will Coley made the announcement himself that he was running for VP. Later, if he felt it was the right thing to do, he could endorse Perry. I see a real problem if it is viewed as
    1. Darryl Perry says the Constitution of the United States in unfit to exist.
    2. Darryl Perry has chosen a Muslim running mate.
    This could give the false impression that because he is Muslim, he is against the Constitution.
    Compare with my message earlier this month:
    “Our best weapon against ISIS: Our 3 million American Muslims who love our country, and our freedom, and want to protect it. “

  27. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    This appears to me to be a very good move. This is an unusual election, so I don’t mind the “identity” politics. Darryl is being ignored in the press more than he should be, and this might get their attention. It also might counteract some of Johnson’s missteps.

    It also shows that Muslims live among us and can look and behave much like the people around them.

  28. Andy

    “Richard Winger
    April 6, 2016 at 15:30
    Arabs are ‘white guys’.”

    I meant white guy of European ancestry.

  29. Rebel Alliance

    Sam Sloan voted for himself in 2012 in each of the rounds. That’s why he received the 1 vote.

  30. Andy

    “Rebel Alliance
    April 6, 2016 at 16:03
    Sam Sloan voted for himself in 2012 in each of the rounds. That’s why he received the 1 vote.”

    LOL!

  31. NewFederalist

    I hope Dr. Feldman selects a Zoroastrian as his running mate. That would be ultra cool!

  32. NewFederalist

    He did? Damn… he really fucked up! Pardon my French (or is it Creole?)!

  33. Wang Tang-Fu

    Will Coley should have made his own announcement. I think he deserves legitimate consideration for the VP nomination regardless of who the delegates pick for the Presidential nomination.

    Also, why is it relevant whether Sam Sloan or Will Coley are converts to Islam or children of Muslim parents? It so happens that they are converts, but if anything that makes their religious faith more, not less, genuine. Should they be considered to be any less “real” Muslims because they were not born into it?

    Children of Muslim parents from around the world also include many people who “look white” according to even the racial notions of white supremacists, illustrating yet again that all of these racial categories are bunk (since according to some people, including some of those here, Arabs, Persians etc are not “true” whites). It was, in fact, the large number of what most “white” and “black” Americans consider to be “white looking” people from all over the world, and of people of all races and nationalities imaginable, that famously led Malcolm X to reconsider his prior, black supremacist views as he made his way through the Muslim pilgrimage of the Hajj.

    It seems highly unlikely that either Coley or Sloan are the first American Muslims to seek the presidential or VP nomination of any party whatsoever, although I don’t know any counterexamples off the top of my head. However, if he actually receives the nomination, Coley could well be the first American Muslim officially on the ballot in enough states to theoretically have a chance of winning the electoral vote, which some people may consider to be noteworthy. I am not counting any alleged “secret Muslims” here.

    I agree that Coley could well symbolically balance a Johnson ticket, much as Kubby could have balanced Barr’s if a few delegates had not left the floor in disgust after Barr was nominated. I could be wrong but I seem to recall reading that it was closer than the 30 votes Mr. Knapp says above separated Root and Kubby (in the comments above). Hopefully that lesson will remain in delegates’ heads if Gov. Johnson does in fact get nominated again.

  34. NewFederalist

    Methinks your ancient translation program is bogus! You are not what you say! I will send the Banshee for you! Beware!

  35. Wang Tang-Fu

    A thousand pardons, NewFederalist, but my translation program is indeed having great trouble making any sense of your last comment. At times I think the program is very excellent, but at times I fear it is very poor, as I fail to make any heads or tails of what you native speakers are trying to say.

  36. Andy

    I would say that it is relavent because neither have a connection to the Middle East.

  37. NewFederalist

    Andy- What? Both Islam and Zoroastrianism have a connection to the Middle East.

  38. Wang Tang-Fu

    “I would say that it is relavent because neither have a connection to the Middle East.”

    So? Muslims come from many different parts of the world, and include both children of Muslim parents and converts. In fact, most children of Muslim parents aren’t even from the Middle East, either. There are predominantly Muslim areas in many parts of Africa, Central Asia, and South Asia, and European nations such as Albania and Bosnia that are in large parts Muslim and have been for centuries. So, again, why is it relevant whether Mr. Coley or Mr. Sloan have Middle Eastern ancestry? Are they any less Muslim as a result? Is a “white” American convert to Islam somehow less Muslim than a “black” American convert to Islam? Perhaps you believe a Bosnian, Albanian, Tatar or Turkish Muslim is less Muslim than a Pakistani or Phillipino Muslim just by virtue of ethnicity? Or, perhaps you think none of them are “real” Muslims?

  39. Andy

    I would be willing to bet that there are very few Americans who would be classified as white, who have converted to Islam. Probably the same with white Europeans. This makes their conversions unusual, as in outside the norm.

    I am not saying they are bad people (but then again with Sam Sloan, after what he pulled with the LP of New York, maybe he is), but just made a choice in religion that is pretty outside the norm for their backgrounds.

  40. robert capozzi

    wtf: Also, why is it relevant whether Sam Sloan or Will Coley are converts to Islam or children of Muslim parents?

    me: Because DWP’s release says: “chose Coley as his running mate because “he has intimate knowledge and insight both of the religion, and the cultures of the countries [the US military] has been actively bombing or occupying.”

    Certainly a convert very likely has more insight into Islam than non-Muslims. But he may or may not have more insight into the cultures of Syria and Iraq. I don’t feel I have better insight into the culture of Italy than other Americans, despite my being raised Catholic and having an Italian surname.

    It’s not to say that Coley doesn’t have intimate knowledge of Syria and Iraq. He might. Maybe he’s lived there, gone there, or whatever. Point is: Just because he’s a Muslim convert ALONE is not proof of cultural insight.

    Clearer?

  41. NewFederalist

    “Capozzi just hit the nail on the head.” – Andy

    Another IPR first!

  42. Steven Wilson

    A few points of interests:
    1. Darryl compares announcing a mulsim running mate to that of Nathan being a woman and the first to receive a electoral college vote.
    2. His reasoning for the pick is to educate American voters on the muslim countries the US are currently invading, bombing, or occupying.
    Perry, for some obvious reasons, has been ignored this election cycle. So far, the most interesting thing about his campaign is how he takes donations. This kind of marketing can be useful, but only in certain situations.
    As the press release offers resumes for both men, it fails to mention that the delegates of the convention pick the President and Vice President separately. The one can endorse the other and even campaign together, but the release reads as if this is not the case.
    My assessment:
    Perry failed to understand his customer base within the LP by highlighting a singular variable about the VP candidate. In my time with the LP, I cannot recall a Presidential candidate endorsing a VP running mate because of one thing; especially religion.
    It makes Perry appear desparate to grab some attention leading up to the convention. Being left off the debate stage with Stossel and polling far behind the other candidates illustrates his perceived weakness by Libertarians. It is almost like he is self-proclaiming himself as the Muslim President.

    I believe this could damage his credibility with his base supporters and even some new ones. Perry wrote the release as if he had never been to a convention or read the LP rules for Presidential nominees/VP nominees and the process by which they are selected.

    What should’ve been done:
    Coley should’ve announced his candidacy through a neutral media outlet. Waited a week and then announced through a different media outlet that he is endorsing Perry for President. Then, Perry should have began a dialogue open to the public about the connectionism between the two men and how it can help America and the LP.

    Announcing that Perry has ushered in another “first” for the LP seems like too much theater. The delivery has removed any merit.

  43. Andy

    “NewFederalist
    April 6, 2016 at 19:54
    ‘Capozzi just hit the nail on the head.’ – Andy

    Another IPR first!”

    No, Capozzi gets things right every so often, and when he does I have given him credit for it.

  44. Steve Scheetz

    There are bigoted words/phrases like “Islamofascist” “Islamoterrorist” floating out there, and they are absolutely meant to suggest that People following Islam are pre-disposed to murder, hate, and are, by definition against freedom.

    In Philadelphia, we had a Muslim Libertarian on our panel of experts, and I think that it is VERY important that people start seeing Muslims as potential Libertarians much like we see other people as potential Libertarians.

    Most of you already know that the nomination will most likely NOT fall to Darryl Perry, (which is tragic, BTW) Because Darryl has taken his job of educating the people (changing hearts and freeing minds) seriously.

    We have the “top 3” out there offering some unlibertarian statements, (Austin Wade Petersen has actually deleted some of his more offensive statements from his website) Their goals are to get more votes… Possibly even 5% this go around… This means that they KNOW that they are going to lose, but they are still willing to sacrifice core principles at the alter of “up to 5%”

    I think that this is a positive step in possibly repairing some of the harm that bigots from all walks have visited upon us as a people.

    “Muslims lynch Gays”
    “Muslims do terrible things to women”
    “Muslims want to murder us all”

    I am certain some Muslims DO, Why should Americans have a monopoly on perpetrating the above mentioned evils?

    Sincerely,

    Steve Scheetz

  45. Ray Bannon

    So, it’s a real stretch to surmise that a converted Muslim American who has spent many years working in the Muslim community has insight into the cultures of the countries the US has been bombing and occupying? Maybe because he has spent a lot of time with people from those countries? Sounds really far fetched to me.

  46. Andy

    “Steve Scheetz
    April 6, 2016 at 20:09
    There are bigoted words/phrases like ‘Islamofascist’ ‘Islamoterrorist’ floating out there, and they are absolutely meant to suggest that People following Islam are pre-disposed to murder, hate, and are, by definition against freedom.”

    Well at least some of them do fit this description. See recent examples out of Europe.

    This of course do not mean that all Muslims are like that. Every groups has its extremists, so I’m sure that there are more reasonable Muslims out there.

    The US government has actually taken actions to help “radicalize” Muslims. Do a search for CIA Operation Cyclone. The US military has also been interfering in the affairs of and attacking Muslim nations for a long time, so we should not be surprised that this has created enemies.

    Even so, the statistics clearly show that it is Muslims from the Middle East and North Africa who have been wreaking havoc and creating a big rape epidemic that is currently happening in multiple countries in Europe (Sweden, Norway, Germany, etc…). Last year 100% of the rapes committed in Olso, Norway were committed by Muslim migrants. Muslim migrants in Sweden have caused the number of rapes committed in there to go up by 1,000%.

    I think that it is great that there are a few libertarian Muslims out there, and hopefully they can influence more Muslims to adopt libertarian principles.

  47. Andy

    Steve Scheetz said: “Most of you already know that the nomination will most likely NOT fall to Darryl Perry, (which is tragic, BTW) Because Darryl has taken his job of educating the people (changing hearts and freeing minds) seriously.”

    Out of the candidates who are currently seeking the nomination, I think that Perry is the most libertarian, and that he has the best background of being an actual libertarian activist, but like you said, he is not likely to win the nomination.

    Why? Lack of money. Lack of “fancy” credentials. One would think that Perry being one of the hosts of the talk radio show, Free Talk Live, would count as a fancy credential, but apparently not enough people listen to Free Talk Live, or the fact that he is one of a rotating staff of 5 or 6 co-hosts (or however many they have) makes this credential seem less impressive that it would be otherwise.

    It seems to me that there are a lot of people who become delegates at LP conventions who are impressed by “fancy” sounding credentials, and who go for “fancy” credentials, and what they consider to be “flash” and “fame” (even though the fame of any of the candidates who have shown up at LP conventions is so low that most of the public does not know who these candidates are), over actual substance.

    Now don’t get me wrong, if possible, I’d prefer a candidate who has “fancy” credentials, and who is “flashy” and “famous”, but I do not think that the party should sacrifice much if anything in the way of principles to get it.

    Considering that most of the delegates who are likely to be in Orlando are going to chose perceptions of “flash” and “fame” over substance, and considering that most of the delegates are not going to consider Darryl Perry to be “flashy” and “famous”, he is not likely to win the presidential nomination, but maybe he’d stand a better chance of winning the vice presidential nomination. The angle for him to use to get it would be to balance the ticket out, by having a hardcore “radical” Libertarian as the VP nominee.

    So I think that if Perry wants to be on the ticket, he should leave his options open to run for Vice President.

  48. Andy

    ” seem less impressive that it would be otherwise.”

    Should read, “seem less impressive than it would be otherwise.”

  49. George Phillies

    Perry made an excellent political decision here.

    With respect to the islamophobe candidate going on about Islamites being commanded to kill gays, the correct immediate response of an opponent was to point out that the same command is found in Leviticus (but Jews don’t do that) and at the time of the Revolution in the laws of every colony (and a minor pre-revolutionary feud was that the colonists wanted to hang lesbians, and London refused to agree.)

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  51. Rebel Alliance

    I usually agree with Mr. Knapp’s comments, but I’ll disagree with him on this.

    This was a smart move by Perry. He was close to being sidelined as a distant 4th place candidate, especially after the Stossel debate. But now he’s put himself back in the news again. Hopefully this is more than just a slap at Johnson’s poorly thought-out burqua ban remarks which he’s since retracted. It should be a rebuke against the open hostility by the GOP toward Muslims and other minorities, demonstrating that Libertarians are indeed socially accepting, setting a standard for other LP candidates to follow, pointing out that many Muslims are peaceful, and even highlighting that some Muslims are active in the liberty movement with Muslims for Liberty (an organization most in the public have never heard of before). So, smart move!

    This also suggests that a change may be needed in how the LP nominates its candidates. Maybe it’s time to reconsider how our delegates select the Prez and VP separately. Maybe voting on them as a team is better. There are 50 state parties, but only 19 weekends between New Year’s Day and the National Convention for them to scramble against each other to attract the candidates. It’s impossible for an LP presidential candidate to visit them all. But a VP candidate could help make sure a Prez-VP team are represented at most or all state conventions where the delegates to National are chosen.

  52. Will Coley 4 LP VP 2016

    Hello everyone, I’d like to introduce myself and do some explaining for those of you here who seem to misunderstand Darryl or my intentions.

    In standing and saying he “chooses” me, as his preferred running mate, Darryl KICKS open a doors that I could have easily reached up and opened myself….but the outside perceptions of those I hope to bring into the party would not be the same.

    A story about a Muslim seeking the approval of a party doesn’t have the same effect on the a portion of the intended readers that I wanted. Any libertarians that know me, know my stances, and my principles, so seeing Darryl say he wanted me was no surprise to them. For the rest of you, it’s about the bigger picture, and if you were offended by the way we went about it i apologize.

    I hope to bring 3-400,000 voters to the LP this year with my inclusion in the ticket, but i know how those voters i am targeting think, and what they react to. Now instead of being presented with a story about a muslim approaching a party looking for acceptance like they see with the “big two”, they are presented with the mirror opposite, a libertarian candidate seeking out a muslim, specifically for their relateability to the victims of American foreign policy. The LP, and only the LP, has approached them for their knowledge on these issues.

    This is about making a splash up front, in a way that catches the attention of 1.3 million prospective voters according to 2012 numbers, and with the new young blood, I’d push that number up to 1.45 or 1.5 million voters this time around, and ALOT of them are sitting it out, they refuse to vote democrat again, and they won’t vote GOP for Cruz or Trump. We can get those monied old uncles off their couches and organizing in their communities again. The I-4 corridor in FL is FILLED with rich old muslim uncles who have given up on politics in America. We wanted to grab the old man by the beard and yank him off of his couch, so that when we approach him about showing up at a convention or meeting he won’t be as likely to resist our efforts.

    I’ve spent the last 6 years of my life trying to bring Muslims into the liberty community, free market ideals, advocacy of competing courts, private law enforcement, anti tax, it’s a natural fit, and we want to bring them to polls in Nov for whomever is the candidate. Darryl and I know very well we have separate campaigns, but this gives his campaign an added press boost he needs, and me the big splash to get the attention of those i’m trying to get it from I need.

    Do we want more than the 1.2 million votes Gary got in 2012? Do you want a person who is a known principled libertarian to make a serious attempt at turn 1.2 into 1.8 or God willing 2.4? Then sometimes we have to make a few waves.

  53. Al Grossman

    “Marc Allan Feldman
    April 6, 2016 at 15:37
    I think it would have been better if Will Coley made the announcement himself that he was running for VP. Later, if he felt it was the right thing to do, he could endorse Perry.”

    While Dr. Feldman isn’t the only one expressing this sentiment in this discussion, it’s rather ironic in his case. I can’t help but respond that I think it would have been better if Kanye West made the announcement himself that he was running for VP.

  54. Rebel Alliance

    Al Grossman: “I think it would have been better if Kanye West made the announcement himself that he was running for VP.”

    BAM! Nothing like a hypocrite critiquing another candidate. Why is Feldman still in the race? He’s polling near zero and so boring that I just fast-forward through his rambling remarks in the debates. He reminds me of the professor from Ferris Bueller’s Day Off. Feldman needs to drop out now.

  55. Jeremy Siple

    Dr. Feldman was one of the highlights of our LPPA debate. I’m glad to have him in the race, and if it weren’t for Darryl Perry I would enthusiastically support Dr. Feldman for our nomination.

  56. Andy

    Once again Cantwell brings up lots of good points.

    Tom, instead of name calling, how about go through the video that Saturn just posted, and on a point by point basis, see if you can debunk each point Chris Cantwell made?

    Is Cantwell right or wrong about the number of hits the Muslims 4 Liberty site gets? Etc….

    Cantwell is right on a lot of points here, and I say this as someone who likes Darryl Perry, and who has nothing personal against his preferred running mate.

    I do not think that this candidate for the VP nomination is well known enough to be regarded as a “thought leader” (or whatever), and I do not think that this is a strategy that is going to lead to an increase in vote totals.

    Having said this, I would still vote for Perry in spite of my disagreement with his strategy here, as I am still willing to support candidates even if I do not agree with them 100% on everything (as in issues or strategy).

    I have not endorsed Perry for the nomination, as I am still torn between NOTA, casting a write in vote, or voting for Perry, at the convention.

  57. Andy

    Just to clarify, I am willing to vote for candidates I do not agree with 100% on issues and/or strategy on a case by case basis.

  58. Thane Eichenauer

    Thomas L. Knapp, You seem to be engaging in ad hominem attacks with respect to Christopher Cantwell.

    In his description for “A Muslim Vice President?” Cantwell says “But Islam is not exactly a libertarian philosophy”. The question best addressed is “Is Islam compatible with libertarian philosophy?”

  59. Thomas L. Knapp

    Thane,

    I’ve attacked Cantwell in the past, but I eventually realized that that was bringing coals to Newcastle. These days I just accurately and succinctly describe him and leave it at that. It’s at least as effective as attacking him.

    As far as the question “is Islam compatible with libertarian philosophy?” is concerned, the answer is “since people get exactly out of their religions precisely what they choose to get out of their religions, all religions are compatible with libertarian philosophy to the extent that their practitioners are.” I think it was Mark Twain who said that God made man in his image and we’ve been returning the favor ever since.

    There authoritarian Christians and libertarian Christians. There are authoritarian Buddhists and libertarian Buddhists. There are authoritarian Muslims and libertarian Muslims.

    I have no particular opinion on the attempts of libertarian Muslims like Dean Ahmad, Davi Barker, Will Coley et. al to position Islam as being libertarian in essential character. They’re libertarians, doing outreach both to and from a particular community, and that’s all that really matters to me.

  60. Andy

    “Thomas L. Knapp
    April 8, 2016 at 18:31
    Thane,

    I’ve attacked Cantwell in the past, but I eventually realized that that was bringing coals to Newcastle. These days I just accurately and succinctly describe him and leave it at that. It’s at least as effective as attacking him.”

    I have not seen you refute anything that he has said. All I have seen from you is name calling.

    Cantwell said that the Muslims 4 Liberty web site gets few hits. He said that it was ranked at 10 million and something in terms of ranking of websites by hits (his own site is ranked at 400,000 and something).

    Cantwell said that Muslim 4 Liberty has few followers on Twitter. I think that he said (without watching the video again) that they only had like 164 Twitter followers, and that this was after a period of 6 years.

    Cantwell pointed out the high crime rate of Muslims in Europe that have had lots of Muslim immigration, and how Muslims tend to have a bad record on civil liberties, especially for women.

    Cantwell read some passages from the Koran that call for violence against people who do not believe in the Muslim religion.

    How exactly is Cantwell wrong on any of these points?

  61. Thomas L. Knapp

    “I have not seen you refute anything that he has said. ”

    For the perfectly good reason that I have neither refuted nor attempted to refute anything he has said.

  62. Andy

    Thomas Knapp said: “As far as the question is Islam compatible with libertarian philosophy?’ is concerned, the answer is ‘since people get exactly out of their religions precisely what they choose to get out of their religions, all religions are compatible with libertarian philosophy to the extent that their practitioners are.’ I think it was Mark Twain who said that God made man in his image and we’ve been returning the favor ever since.”

    I agree with you that a person could theoretically be a member of any religion, and still be a libertarian, but on the flip side of this, religious extremists in general tend to not be libertarians.

    While there are a very small number of self professed Muslims who are self professed libertarians, I do not see any evidence of there being a significant libertarian movement among Muslims.

    My Libertarian Zone concept takes into account that there are people out there who hold beliefs that I consider to be “weird”, or who are of a different race or ethnic background than I, but who are still libertarians, so I do not want to turn these people away, which is why I would leave the Libertarian Zone invitation open to all people who sign the Libertarian Zone contract, and agree to abide by the terms of said contract.

    https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2014/07/andy-jacobs-the-libertarian-zone/

  63. Andy

    “Thomas L. Knapp
    April 8, 2016 at 19:01
    ‘I have not seen you refute anything that he has said. ‘

    For the perfectly good reason that I have neither refuted nor attempted to refute anything he has said.”

    I just posted summaries of four points that Cantwell made in the video. Can you refute these points? If so, let’s see you do it.

  64. Andy

    “Cantwell pointed out the high crime rate of Muslims in Europe that have had lots of Muslim immigration,”

    Should read, “Cantwell pointed out the high crime rate of Muslims in countries in Europe that have had lots of Muslim immigration…”

  65. Thomas L. Knapp

    “I just posted summaries of four points that Cantwell made in the video. Can you refute these points? If so, let’s see you do it.”

    I don’t dance on command for Cantwell, and I don’t dance on command for you.

  66. Andy

    According to this Wikipedia entry, there are approximately 3.3 million Muslims in the USA, but this includes Muslims who are under the age of 18, as well as ones who are not American citizens. So the number of Muslims who are eligible to vote is pretty small. Keep in mind that the population of the country is around 320 million.

    So I don’t see how a marketing campaign aimed at such a tiny percentage of the electorate is a very sound strategy for a campaign for President, even more so when the candidate in question was not born into the Muslim religion, and has not ethnic background that is from a predominately Muslim country.

    I have seen other candidates think that they had some connection to some kind of group and that this would bring them lots of votes from said group end up falling flat on their face. Like Wayne Root said that he thought that he was going to bring in votes from millions of gamblers, because he is from Las Vegas and he worked in the sports gambling business. This did not end up happening.

    I know a petition circulator who is black who thought that he could get lots of signatures for something by going around to black churches. He tried and failed miserably.

    So why should we believe that because this guy converted to the Muslim religion that it means he is automatically going to bring in lots of votes from Muslims (and once again, Muslims who are eligible to vote are a tiny segment eligible voters in this country), or bring in a significant number of Muslims to the Libertarian Party, especially when one factors in the few hits that their website gets and the few followers they have on Twitter?

    Chances are that the party and the campaign will have so little money (as is true with pretty much all LP campaigns) that few people will know who either he is, or who Perry is, and even out of people who bother to read his name on the ballot, nobody who does not already know who he is will have any reason to think that he’s a Muslim because he does not have a traditional Muslim sounding name. William Coley for Vice President does not exactly bring to mind somebody who is a Muslim, like say Mohammad Akbar would.

  67. Andy

    “Thomas L. Knapp
    April 8, 2016 at 19:18
    ‘I just posted summaries of four points that Cantwell made in the video. Can you refute these points? If so, let’s see you do it.’

    I don’t dance on command for Cantwell, and I don’t dance on command for you.”

    You are not exactly proving your point here, Tom. If anything, you are showing that Cantwell’s points were correct, since all you’ve done is call him names without actually refuting anything that he said.

  68. Andy

    “I know a petition circulator who is black who thought that he could get lots of signatures for something by going around to black churches. He tried and failed miserably.”

    Note that the thing that this person was trying to get people to sign had nothing to do with the Libertarian Party.

  69. Andy

    “and has not ethnic background that is from a predominately Muslim country.”

    Should read, “and does not have an ethic background that is from a predominately Muslim country.”

  70. Thomas L. Knapp

    “You are not exactly proving your point here, Tom.”

    Considering I have no point to prove here, that shouldn’t be especially surprising. I’m also not getting any closer to Baltimore, for the eminently logical reason that I’m not on my way to Baltimore.

  71. Andy

    “Thomas L. Knapp
    April 8, 2016 at 19:46
    ‘You are not exactly proving your point here, Tom.’

    Considering I have no point to prove here, that shouldn’t be especially surprising. I’m also not getting any closer to Baltimore, for the eminently logical reason that I’m not on my way to Baltimore.”

    Your failure to refute any of the points that Chris Cantwell brought up discredits your attacks against what he said. It makes you a person who engages in name calling while mindlessly throwing any discussion of facts out the window.

    “Thane Eichenauer
    April 8, 2016 at 19:54
    If Will Coley can increase the discussion of US foreign policy that will be a worthwhile accomplishment.

    A picture of Coley: http://aboutislam.net/muslim-issues/america/meet-us-first-muslim-vice-presidential-candidate/

    He appears to be a fine human being, but I fail to see how a white American man who converted to Islam really does much to add to the discussion about US foreign policy.

    Suppose I decided to convert to Islam tomorrow. Would this make me a bigger critic of the US government’s interventionist foreign policy than I already am? I think not, and I’ve been a very strong critic of the US government’s interventionist foreign policy for a long time.

  72. Thomas L. Knapp

    “Your failure to refute any of the points that Chris Cantwell brought up discredits your attacks against what he said.”

    Q: Which attacks against what he said are you referencing?

    A: None, since there aren’t any to reference.

  73. Thane Eichenauer

    Andy,
    If Will Coley manages to get more people talking about US foreign policy that will be great. I don’t know if his religion will do the trick. He shares being human and being a Muslim in common with a great many people that US armaments are murdering. Frankly I think it should be notable that the US government is murdering innocent people but some people find religion to be particularly relevant.

  74. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    Thane said: “Frankly I think it should be notable that the US government is murdering innocent people”.

    So do I. I point this out several days a day, as often as I can. And thanks for using the word “murder”, instead of some pc, watered-down word that war apologists use.

  75. Gene Berkman

    I am staying out of this discussion for several reasons, but I must point out the video in this thread features a Muslim speaking @ “PorcFest.” Bad taste at least, and certainly treff.

  76. NewFederalist

    “…I don’t think Porcupines are kosher or halal either.” – Gene Berkman

    A thorny question to be sure! Check the hoof.

  77. Thomas L. Knapp

    I recall hearing that the second largest vendor at PorcFest was a Muslim outfit called “Ramadan at PorcFest” that provided food. I don’t know if Will Coley was involved with that.

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