I’ve always considered myself a member of the Radical Caucus.
I’ve petitioned on and managed scores of ballet drives in a dozen states and collected personally tens of thousands of signatures, while managing the collection of hundreds of thousands.
I’ve donated tens of thousands of dollars to the LP and campaigns of numerous candidates across the country.
I’ve rebuilt state parties, helped obtain permanent ballot status that has never been lost, built and organized dozens of county LP groups, recruited over 100 candidates at all levels, and run for office myself.
Some well respected, well-known very principled candidates and leaders on the national level, were recruited by me.
Getting the message out comes after getting the attention of the public. You can’t deliver a message to people who are not only not listening, but who don’t even know you exist.
That message happens in the follow-up to outreach, PR, paid advertising and free media – through literature, newsletters and local meetings.
That message is up to local members – like you, Socrates – if you are active at all.
It is these local groups who have to welcome warmly, teach and lead. Very few pure, radical Libertarians will show up – but they will listen, follow us, and get there on our own, if we make the effort.
So, what end of the movement are YOU on?
Socrates Wilde
May 29, 2016
We’re from opposite ends of the movement and will never agree.
Be Rational
May 29, 2016
For most of the last 44 years there has been no message at all to be muddled.
When the people realize we exist, they will listen to the message being delivered at the most personal level available to them.
Local politics is where it all begins and ends. That is where we have to reach out and build our principled base – one individual at a time.
Socrates Wilde
May 29, 2016
That goal is undermined by muddling the message. I care about principle, not respectability or pandering to nonlibertarians’ expectations. Its been tried again and again and failed.
Be Rational
May 29, 2016
And you still didn’t understand? Socrates?
“… the necessity to get the best, well-spoken, photogenic, principled Libertarians out on the hustings in well-funded, professional camapaigns for the US House, Senate and Governorships.
Put up the energetic full-time campaigners for state house races.
Get out there, run, win and produce our future crop of principled Libertarian office holders to wave our banner for POTUS and VP in the future.
… This is called building for the future … a principled, talent pool of principled Libertarians.
So, why would you object to that?
Socrates Wilde
May 29, 2016
I reread and it doesn’t change my position. Yours is the same establishmentarian line we’ve hears for decades.
I agee with Richard Winger on his points, especially on the necessity to get the best, well-spoken, photogenic, principled Libertarians out on the hustings in well-funded, professional camapaigns for the US House, Senate and Governorships. Put up the energetic full-time campaigners for state house races. Get out there, run, win and produce our future crop of principled Libertarian office holders to wave our banner for POTUS and VP in the future.
Andy
May 27, 2016
Should read, “our principles…”
steve m
May 27, 2016
Actually it is an unknown individual who puts down a well respected individual rather then making their own recommendations. You put forth a negative. “He is wrong, he only backs…”
Go out and do something positive and put out a rational for whom you support rather then just run down the opinions of others you disagree with. Give me a reason to listen to you until then you are irrelevant.
oh I am so sorry if your feeling got hurt!
Socrates Wilde
May 27, 2016
You don’t know who I am or what I’ve done in the past. The Oklahoma snark is not only off base, it could be construed as outright cruel if you were aware of my circumstances.
The bottom line: I have enormous respect for Richard Winger, but his adherence to the LP establishmentarian has been a wedge between us for over 20 years — since the first Browne campaign.
Obviously, for you, this is not about Richard. It’s about my opposition to more Republican carpetbagging of the LP.
steve m
May 27, 2016
Actually Socrates Wilde… those that haven’t done as much and wine about those who do, are irrelevant.
Socrates Wilde
May 27, 2016
That’s irrelevant Steve.
steve m
May 27, 2016
What? “Richard is a national treasure when it comes to ballot access, but it’s an entirely different story when it comes to political judgment.”
What do you think it takes to get ballot access if not political judgement?
I wan’t to know Darcy and Socrates Wilde what did you do during the Oklahoma efforts?
Darcy G Richardson
May 26, 2016
Agreed. Richard is a national treasure when it comes to ballot access, but it’s an entirely different story when it comes to political judgment. I started having serious doubts about his political acumen about eight years ago when he began championing Bob Barr’s candidacy.
Socrates Wilde
May 26, 2016
Richard Is the preeminent expert on elections and ballot access, but he regularly supports the party insider Republican lite candidates and campaigns. The American people deserve a choice, not an echo. The LP deserves better. No to Johnson and Weld.
Socrates Wilde
May 26, 2016
Richard Is the preeminent expert on elections and ballot access, but he regularly supports the party insider Republican lite candidates and campaigns. The American people deserve a chouce, not an echo. The LP deserves better. No to Johnson and Weld.
Andy
May 26, 2016
Raising more money is great if it happens, but we should not do it if it means throwing are principles out the window and under a bus.
I must agree with the previous comments. I also respect Mr. Winger greatly. But, he is way off the mark with this. Weld is just a bad idea from every angle, as near as I can tell. And, from speaking to the delegates here at the convention hotel, I get the sense that there is about zero enthusiasm for him.
NewFederalist
May 26, 2016
I generally agree with Richard Winger and I respect him immensely but on this matter I disagree. I can accept Johnson for president despite his terrible financial screw ups but Weld… deal breaker. I vote Castle/Bradley for sure!
Andy
May 26, 2016
I like and respect Richard Winger, but I disagree with him about putting Weld on the ticket.
I can understand why some Libertarians want Johnson on the ticket, but not Weld.
Not sure what side of the movement that would be.
I’ve always considered myself a member of the Radical Caucus.
I’ve petitioned on and managed scores of ballet drives in a dozen states and collected personally tens of thousands of signatures, while managing the collection of hundreds of thousands.
I’ve donated tens of thousands of dollars to the LP and campaigns of numerous candidates across the country.
I’ve rebuilt state parties, helped obtain permanent ballot status that has never been lost, built and organized dozens of county LP groups, recruited over 100 candidates at all levels, and run for office myself.
Some well respected, well-known very principled candidates and leaders on the national level, were recruited by me.
Getting the message out comes after getting the attention of the public. You can’t deliver a message to people who are not only not listening, but who don’t even know you exist.
That message happens in the follow-up to outreach, PR, paid advertising and free media – through literature, newsletters and local meetings.
That message is up to local members – like you, Socrates – if you are active at all.
It is these local groups who have to welcome warmly, teach and lead. Very few pure, radical Libertarians will show up – but they will listen, follow us, and get there on our own, if we make the effort.
So, what end of the movement are YOU on?
We’re from opposite ends of the movement and will never agree.
For most of the last 44 years there has been no message at all to be muddled.
When the people realize we exist, they will listen to the message being delivered at the most personal level available to them.
Local politics is where it all begins and ends. That is where we have to reach out and build our principled base – one individual at a time.
That goal is undermined by muddling the message. I care about principle, not respectability or pandering to nonlibertarians’ expectations. Its been tried again and again and failed.
And you still didn’t understand? Socrates?
“… the necessity to get the best, well-spoken, photogenic, principled Libertarians out on the hustings in well-funded, professional camapaigns for the US House, Senate and Governorships.
Put up the energetic full-time campaigners for state house races.
Get out there, run, win and produce our future crop of principled Libertarian office holders to wave our banner for POTUS and VP in the future.
… This is called building for the future … a principled, talent pool of principled Libertarians.
So, why would you object to that?
I reread and it doesn’t change my position. Yours is the same establishmentarian line we’ve hears for decades.
True, but re-read what I wrote, Socrates …
That’s nice — except Republican carpetbaggers aren’t principled Libertarians.
I agee with Richard Winger on his points, especially on the necessity to get the best, well-spoken, photogenic, principled Libertarians out on the hustings in well-funded, professional camapaigns for the US House, Senate and Governorships. Put up the energetic full-time campaigners for state house races. Get out there, run, win and produce our future crop of principled Libertarian office holders to wave our banner for POTUS and VP in the future.
Should read, “our principles…”
Actually it is an unknown individual who puts down a well respected individual rather then making their own recommendations. You put forth a negative. “He is wrong, he only backs…”
Go out and do something positive and put out a rational for whom you support rather then just run down the opinions of others you disagree with. Give me a reason to listen to you until then you are irrelevant.
oh I am so sorry if your feeling got hurt!
You don’t know who I am or what I’ve done in the past. The Oklahoma snark is not only off base, it could be construed as outright cruel if you were aware of my circumstances.
The bottom line: I have enormous respect for Richard Winger, but his adherence to the LP establishmentarian has been a wedge between us for over 20 years — since the first Browne campaign.
Obviously, for you, this is not about Richard. It’s about my opposition to more Republican carpetbagging of the LP.
Actually Socrates Wilde… those that haven’t done as much and wine about those who do, are irrelevant.
That’s irrelevant Steve.
What? “Richard is a national treasure when it comes to ballot access, but it’s an entirely different story when it comes to political judgment.”
What do you think it takes to get ballot access if not political judgement?
I wan’t to know Darcy and Socrates Wilde what did you do during the Oklahoma efforts?
Agreed. Richard is a national treasure when it comes to ballot access, but it’s an entirely different story when it comes to political judgment. I started having serious doubts about his political acumen about eight years ago when he began championing Bob Barr’s candidacy.
Richard Is the preeminent expert on elections and ballot access, but he regularly supports the party insider Republican lite candidates and campaigns. The American people deserve a choice, not an echo. The LP deserves better. No to Johnson and Weld.
Richard Is the preeminent expert on elections and ballot access, but he regularly supports the party insider Republican lite candidates and campaigns. The American people deserve a chouce, not an echo. The LP deserves better. No to Johnson and Weld.
Raising more money is great if it happens, but we should not do it if it means throwing are principles out the window and under a bus.
This is why Weld is on the ticket:
https://alibertarianfuture.com/2016-election/the-libertarian-party-just-got-a-serious-fundraising-boost/
I must agree with the previous comments. I also respect Mr. Winger greatly. But, he is way off the mark with this. Weld is just a bad idea from every angle, as near as I can tell. And, from speaking to the delegates here at the convention hotel, I get the sense that there is about zero enthusiasm for him.
I generally agree with Richard Winger and I respect him immensely but on this matter I disagree. I can accept Johnson for president despite his terrible financial screw ups but Weld… deal breaker. I vote Castle/Bradley for sure!
I like and respect Richard Winger, but I disagree with him about putting Weld on the ticket.
I can understand why some Libertarians want Johnson on the ticket, but not Weld.